From: Sven Eckelmann <sven.eckelmann@gmx.de>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:14:50 +0200
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Subject: Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] mailing list migration (was: development flow)
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> > * We create the additional new list while keeping the old one. The new
> > list is for the communication with the kernel developers.
> >
> > Opinions ?
>=20
> I think that having two lists would be a hassle and a mistake.  To
> have two lists at one host might work, but one list at VGER and
> another somewhere else could be counter-productive, as "internal"
> communication would be constantly forwarded to the kernel list, and
> relevant kernel traffic would have to be forwarded back to the
> "internal" list.  Think about that for a second.  Eventually, we would
> probably just drop one list.
>=20
> If one list is O(n), then two lists are O(n^2) for anyone who needs
> both.  I vote for one list, no matter where it's hosted.
Don't understand the calculation as I would prefer + instead of * here, but=
=20
this isn't the point (and if you would do program a bad matching algorithm=
=20
here it is still O(M*N) ).
Don't think that two lists are good without a good topic split. I see a rea=
son=20
for -devel, -users and -announcements list in some projects, but not for a=
=20
list for "kernel people" and for "other people".

> commercial solution (EMWD):
>  - spam filtering
>  - open-mesh.net
>  - small price < US$20/month
>=20
> open source host (VGER, freelists.org)
>  - spam filtering
>  - their-domain.com
>  - no price
>  - we get added to their project directory, so potential contributors see
>  us
Haven't followed the whole discussion, but is it real such a big problem to=
=20
change the mailing list address? OK, it shouldn't be done every week, but t=
his=20
is done for a good reason. Just do an announcement on this list and create =
an=20
auto reply (smtp failure notice with further information) when someone writ=
es=20
to the old list.
Maybe more interesting is the fact that if we can import old information in=
to=20
the new list. I think mailman stores everything in simple mboxes, or am I=20
wrong?
And also interesting if we can do backups of the data on vger and co.

Best regards,
	Sven

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