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Freesco, old kernel lines, security

DISCUSSION James Miller (office) 4 participants 4 messages Jun 2, 2003 – Jun 3, 2003

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I understand that in the world of Linux network security, generally older = worser (more insecure). So, I see that Freesco, a small Linux gateway/router distro that seems to be actively maintained, is using a kernel from the 2.0.x line - 2.0.38 (I understand that the most recent 2.0.x kernel is 2.0.39). Is Freesco considered an insecure gateway/router distro because it uses this older kernel line, or can it be expected to provide adequate network security? What would be the risks involved in using such a distro? Would the security savants on this list recommend against using it?

Thanks, James
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Quoted 9 lines · James Miller (office)

I understand that in the world of Linux network security, generally older = worser (more insecure). So, I see that Freesco, a small Linux gateway/router distro that seems to be actively maintained, is using a kernel from the 2.0.x line - 2.0.38 (I understand that the most recent 2.0.x kernel is 2.0.39). Is Freesco considered an insecure gateway/router distro because it uses this older kernel line, or can it be expected to provide adequate network security? What would be the risks involved in using such a distro? Would the security savants on this list recommend against using it?

I have not looked at Freesco in a long time (years, really). Were I to consider using it, I would worry not about the old kernel but about old, insecure apps. Since I don't know what apps it runs, I cannot be specific here. But over the past 2 years, we've seen security updates to BIND (named), ssh, ssl-libraries, I believe even libc6 (glibc), and a lot of others I can't name off the top of my head.

So I would look to see if Freesco is doing regular security updates to applications and libraries that provide whatever services it makes available.

The issue with 2.0.x kernels (the issue I know, anyway) is that they do not support the fancier routing capabilities of 2.2.x and 2.4.x kernels ... for example, their NAT'ing code is more primitive, they don't provide connection tracking, they are less flexible in handling 3-NIC (e.g., DMZ) setups, and they log less intelligently. Whether these limitations matter depends on the particulars of your routing needs.

Here, I run a NAT'ing router using the 2.4.x kernel and built on Debian-Woody. Were I to use a small-Linux rourer distro, I'd probably use LEAF/Bering or LEAF-Dachstein (depending on the details of my requirements ... the two variants have different frop-in firewall packages available).

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I understand that in the world of Linux network security, generally older
= worser (more insecure). So, I see that Freesco, a small Linux
gateway/router distro that seems to be actively maintained, is using a
kernel from the 2.0.x line - 2.0.38 (I understand that the most
recent 2.0.x kernel is 2.0.39). Is Freesco considered an insecure
gateway/router distro because it uses this older kernel line, or can it be
expected to provide adequate network security? What would be the risks
involved in using such a distro? Would the security savants on this list
recommend against using it?

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Thanks, James

Ihave used the freesco 0.2.7 router now for over 2 years.
It is the easiest to setup for my purposes. I use it to NAT-share the internet on the home lan, for firewalling and as DHCP server for the lan.

As I am denying any incoming ports (from the internet) it doesn't matter too much if the apps are uptodate or not.(apart from the netfilter of the kernel I guess) Neverless I configure them to run only on the local net.
( the s setting)

There is an updated version 0.3.1 on their website now, but I had some stability problems with 0.3.0 and have been happy with the 0.2.7 version, so I stay with it.

I have invited several linux savvy friend to hack into my router from the internet side and none of them has had any luck. You can configure most services as running on the local net only, so they won't be available to the internet.

As long as you don't open holes by eg doing port forwarding it's pretty safe for my purpose as far as I can tell.

If you want to export services through it like eg a web server or such I'd look for another solution, though.

Cheers
James N.

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Quoted 10 lines · James Miller (office)

I understand that in the world of Linux network security, generally older = worser (more insecure). So, I see that Freesco, a small Linux gateway/router distro that seems to be actively maintained, is using a kernel from the 2.0.x line - 2.0.38 (I understand that the most recent 2.0.x kernel is 2.0.39). Is Freesco considered an insecure gateway/router distro because it uses this older kernel line, or can it be expected to provide adequate network security? What would be the risks involved in using such a distro? Would the security savants on this list recommend against using it?

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Thanks, James
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I like routerlinux. And it appears to still be actively maintained.

http://www.routerlinux.com/

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