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..aka "make synaptics touchpad usable in 2.6.1" -- synaptics support is not really suitable to be enabled by default. You can not click by tapping the touchpad (well, unless you have very new X with right configuration, but than you can't go back to 2.4), and touchpad senses your finger even when it is not touching, doing spurious movements => you can't hit anything on screen. Without synaptics extensions everything works just fine. You can reenable synaptics support using commandline.
Plus it documents psmouse_noext option.
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Pavel
Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt renamed from linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt +3 -1
@@ -799,8 +799,10 @@ before loading. See Documentation/ramdisk.txt. + psmouse_noext= [HW,MOUSE,deprecated] Equivalent to psmouse_proto=bare + psmouse_proto= [HW,MOUSE] Highest PS2 mouse protocol extension to - probe for (bare|imps|exps). + probe for (bare|imps|exps|synaptics). psmouse_resetafter= [HW,MOUSE] Try to reset Synaptics Touchpad after so many
drivers/input/mouse/psmouse-base.c renamed from linux/drivers/input/mouse/psmouse-base.c +3 -1
@@ -31,7 +31,7 @@MODULE_PARM_DESC (psmouse_noext,"[DEPRECATED] Disable any protocol extensions. Useful for KVM switches." );static char *psmouse_proto; -static unsigned int psmouse_max_proto =-1U ; +static unsigned int psmouse_max_proto =PSMOUSE_IMEX ;module_param (psmouse_proto, charp,0 );MODULE_PARM_DESC (psmouse_proto,"Highest protocol extension to probe (bare, imps, exps). Useful for KVM switches." );
@@ -678,6 +678,8 @@ psmouse_max_proto =PSMOUSE_IMPS ; else if (!strcmp(psmouse_proto, "exps")) psmouse_max_proto =PSMOUSE_IMEX ; + else if (!strcmp(psmouse_proto, "synaptics")) + psmouse_max_proto =PSMOUSE_SYNAPTICS ; else printk(KERN_ERR "psmouse: unknown protocol type '%s'\n", psmouse_proto); }
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..aka "make synaptics touchpad usable in 2.6.1" -- synaptics support is not really suitable to be enabled by default. You can not click by tapping the touchpad (well, unless you have very new X with right configuration, but than you can't go back to 2.4), and touchpad senses your finger even when it is not touching, doing spurious movements => you can't hit anything on screen. Without synaptics extensions everything works just fine. You can reenable synaptics support using commandline.
My laptop has a dodgy trackpoint attached to the passthrough port, although the touchpad works fine. Before 2.6.1 this didn't matter, because whether by accident or design, the passthrough was disabled. Does this patch disable the passthrough port by default? If not, would it be possible to add a boot parameter or something to allow it to be disabled?
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..aka "make synaptics touchpad usable in 2.6.1" -- synaptics support is not really suitable to be enabled by default. You can not click by tapping the touchpad (well, unless you have very new X with right configuration, but than you can't go back to 2.4),
It is my understanding that by setting "Protocol" to "auto-dev" and "Device" to "/dev/psaux" you can freely switch between 2.4 and 2.5.
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and touchpad senses
your finger even when it is not touching, doing spurious movements => you can't hit anything on screen.
Does the touchpad sensitivity is OK for you when using then native XFree driver? Should we bump it up a little?
Plus, there were issues in mousedev regarding PS2 emulation for touchpads in absolute mode, it should be fixed in -mm or you can try grabbing patches from http://www.geocities.com/dt_or/input/2_6_1/
You are probably mostly interesed in one that deals with mouse jitter.
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Without synaptics extensions
everything works just fine. You can reenable synaptics support using commandline.Plus it documents
psmouse_noextoption.
Why would you document something that is deprecated? It was removed so the new users would not start using it instead of psmouse.proto. psmouse.noext should be gone soon.
Plus, you not only disabling Synaptics extensions but Genius and Logitech's ones as well.
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..aka "make synaptics touchpad usable in 2.6.1" -- synaptics support is not really suitable to be enabled by default. You can not click by tapping the touchpad (well, unless you have very new X with right configuration, but than you can't go back to 2.4),
It is my understanding that by setting "Protocol" to "auto-dev" and "Device" to "
/dev/psaux" you can freely switch between 2.4 and 2.5.
I work with this setting for a couple of weeks now switching between 2.4 and 2.6. The touchpad works quite well in X. (Dell inspiron 8000). I only notice I have to tap harder to get a click.
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and touchpad senses
your finger even when it is not touching, doing spurious movements => you can't hit anything on screen.Does the touchpad sensitivity is OK for you when using then native XFree driver? Should we bump it up a little?
Plus, there were issues in mousedev regarding PS2 emulation for touchpads in absolute mode, it should be fixed in -mm or you can try grabbing patches from http://www.geocities.com/dt_or/input/2_6_1/
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Without synaptics extensions
everything works just fine. You can reenable synaptics support using commandline.Plus it documents
psmouse_noextoption.Why would you document something that is deprecated? It was removed so the new users would not start using it instead of psmouse.proto. psmouse.noext should be gone soon.
Plus, you not only disabling Synaptics extensions but Genius and Logitech's ones as well.
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..aka "make synaptics touchpad usable in 2.6.1" -- synaptics support is not really suitable to be enabled by default. You can not click by tapping the touchpad (well, unless you have very new X with right configuration, but than you can't go back to 2.4),
It is my understanding that by setting "Protocol" to "auto-dev" and "Device" to "
/dev/psaux" you can freely switch between 2.4 and 2.5.I work with this setting for a couple of weeks now switching between 2.4 and 2.6. The touchpad works quite well in X. (Dell inspiron 8000). I only notice I have to tap harder to get a click.
Is there way to make it work with gpm, too? I'm using that heavily. Currently I'm doing gpm in repeater mode, then X reading from /dev/gpmdata....
Pavel
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..aka "make synaptics touchpad usable in 2.6.1" -- synaptics support is not really suitable to be enabled by default. You can not click by tapping the touchpad (well, unless you have very new X with right configuration, but than you can't go back to 2.4),
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It is my understanding that by setting "Protocol" to "auto-dev" and "Device" to "
/dev/psaux" you can freely switch between 2.4 and 2.5.I work with this setting for a couple of weeks now switching between 2.4 and 2.6. The touchpad works quite well in X. (Dell inspiron 8000). I only notice I have to tap harder to get a click.
You can adjust the sensitivity by changing the FingerLow and FingerHigh XFree86 driver parameters. They control how much finger pressure is needed before it counts as a touch. (There are two parameters to get a hysteresis effect.)
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Why would you document something that is deprecated? It was removed so the new users would not start using it instead of psmouse.proto. psmouse.noext should be gone soon.
My understanding is that Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt should document all available parameters...
Pavel
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Why would you document something that is deprecated? It was removed so the new users would not start using it instead of psmouse.proto. psmouse.noext should be gone soon.
My understanding is that
Documentation/kernel-parameters.txtshould document all available parameters...
Well, I wouldn't mind documenting psmouse.noext, with a comment that it shouldn't be used because it'll be removed in near future.
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Why would you document something that is deprecated? It was removed so the new users would not start using it instead of psmouse.proto. psmouse.noext should be gone soon.
My understanding is that
Documentation/kernel-parameters.txtshould document all available parameters...Well, I wouldn't mind documenting psmouse.noext, with a comment that it shouldn't be used because it'll be removed in near future.
AFAICS, it is still psmouse*_*noext in mainline kernel, so this should be correct...
Pavel
Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt +3 -0
@@ -795,6 +799,9 @@ before loading. See Documentation/ramdisk.txt. + psmouse_noext= [HW,MOUSE,deprecated] Equivalent to psmouse_proto=bare, + will be removed in near future. + psmouse_proto= [HW,MOUSE] Highest PS2 mouse protocol extension to probe for (bare|imps|exps).
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Why would you document something that is deprecated? It was removed so the new users would not start using it instead of psmouse.proto. psmouse.noext should be gone soon.
My understanding is that
Documentation/kernel-parameters.txtshould document all available parameters...
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Well, I wouldn't mind documenting psmouse.noext, with a comment that it shouldn't be used because it'll be removed in near future.
AFAICS, it is still psmouse*_*noext in mainline kernel, so this should be correct...
Pavel
No problem with this patch, though it'd be better if you could provide it against the -mm kernel for Andrew.
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Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt +3
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Why would you document something that is deprecated? It was removed so the new users would not start using it instead of psmouse.proto. psmouse.noext should be gone soon.
My understanding is that
Documentation/kernel-parameters.txtshould document all available parameters...Well, I wouldn't mind documenting psmouse.noext, with a comment that it shouldn't be used because it'll be removed in near future.
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AFAICS, it is still psmouse*_*noext in mainline kernel, so this should be correct...
Pavel
No problem with this patch, though it'd be better if you could provide it against the -mm kernel for Andrew.
In Andrew's tree noext option is already gone.
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Why would you document something that is deprecated? It was removed so the new users would not start using it instead of psmouse.proto. psmouse.noext should be gone soon.
My understanding is that
Documentation/kernel-parameters.txtshould document all available parameters...Well, I wouldn't mind documenting psmouse.noext, with a comment that it shouldn't be used because it'll be removed in near future.
AFAICS, it is still psmouse*_*noext in mainline kernel, so this should be correct...
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Pavel
No problem with this patch, though it'd be better if you could provide it against the -mm kernel for Andrew.
In Andrew's tree noext option is already gone.
That makes the patch rather trivial then, doesn't it? ;)
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..aka "make synaptics touchpad usable in 2.6.1" -- synaptics support is not really suitable to be enabled by default. You can not click by tapping the touchpad (well, unless you have very new X with right configuration, but than you can't go back to 2.4), and touchpad senses your finger even when it is not touching, doing spurious movements => you can't hit anything on screen. Without synaptics extensions everything works just fine. You can reenable synaptics support using commandline.
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Plus it documents
psmouse_noextoption.Please apply,
No way. This also kills Logitech mouse detection and Genius and ... ... and those cannot be enabled via kernel command line parameters.
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Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt renamed from linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt +3
-1@@ -799,8 +799,10 @@ before loading. See Documentation/ramdisk.txt. + psmouse_noext= [HW,MOUSE,deprecated] Equivalent to psmouse_proto=bare + psmouse_proto= [HW,MOUSE] Highest PS2 mouse protocol extension to - probe for (bare|imps|exps). + probe for (bare|imps|exps|synaptics). psmouse_resetafter= [HW,MOUSE] Try to reset Synaptics Touchpad after so manydrivers/input/mouse/psmouse-base.c renamed from linux/drivers/input/mouse/psmouse-base.c +3
-1@@ -31,7 +31,7 @@MODULE_PARM_DESC (psmouse_noext,"[DEPRECATED] Disable any protocol extensions. Useful for KVM switches." );static char *psmouse_proto; -static unsigned int psmouse_max_proto =-1U ; +static unsigned int psmouse_max_proto =PSMOUSE_IMEX ;module_param (psmouse_proto, charp,0 );MODULE_PARM_DESC (psmouse_proto,"Highest protocol extension to probe (bare, imps, exps). Useful for KVM switches." );@@ -678,6 +678,8 @@ psmouse_max_proto =PSMOUSE_IMPS ; else if (!strcmp(psmouse_proto, "exps")) psmouse_max_proto =PSMOUSE_IMEX ; + else if (!strcmp(psmouse_proto, "synaptics")) + psmouse_max_proto =PSMOUSE_SYNAPTICS ; else printk(KERN_ERR "psmouse: unknown protocol type '%s'\n", psmouse_proto); }Signature · 3 lines
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..aka "make synaptics touchpad usable in 2.6.1" -- synaptics support is not really suitable to be enabled by default. You can not click by tapping the touchpad (well, unless you have very new X with right configuration, but than you can't go back to 2.4), and touchpad senses your finger even when it is not touching, doing spurious movements => you can't hit anything on screen. Without synaptics extensions everything works just fine. You can reenable synaptics support using commandline.
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Plus it documents
psmouse_noextoption.Please apply,
No way. This also kills Logitech mouse detection and Genius and ... ... and those cannot be enabled via kernel command line parameters.
I'm setting it to PSMOUSE_IMEX, that's just below PSMOUSE_SYNAPTICS:
#define PSMOUSE_PS2 1 #define PSMOUSE_PS2PP 2 #define PSMOUSE_PS2TPP 3 #define PSMOUSE_GENPS 4 #define PSMOUSE_IMPS 5 #define PSMOUSE_IMEX 6 #define PSMOUSE_SYNAPTICS 7
That should turn off just synaptics, no?
Okay, so how to do this properly? Synaptics driver with "mouse emulation" is not usable (tap-to-click is critical), and I want to be able to boot 2.4...
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drivers/input/mouse/psmouse-base.c renamed from linux/drivers/input/mouse/psmouse-base.c +3
-1@@ -31,7 +31,7 @@MODULE_PARM_DESC (psmouse_noext,"[DEPRECATED] Disable any protocol extensions. Useful for KVM switches." );static char *psmouse_proto; -static unsigned int psmouse_max_proto =-1U ; +static unsigned int psmouse_max_proto =PSMOUSE_IMEX ;module_param (psmouse_proto, charp,0 );MODULE_PARM_DESC (psmouse_proto,"Highest protocol extension to probe (bare, imps, exps). Useful for KVM switches." );@@ -678,6 +678,8 @@ psmouse_max_proto =PSMOUSE_IMPS ; else if (!strcmp(psmouse_proto, "exps")) psmouse_max_proto =PSMOUSE_IMEX ; + else if (!strcmp(psmouse_proto, "synaptics")) + psmouse_max_proto =PSMOUSE_SYNAPTICS ; else printk(KERN_ERR "psmouse: unknown protocol type '%s'\n", psmouse_proto); }Signature · 3 lines
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I'm setting it to
PSMOUSE_IMEX, that's just belowPSMOUSE_SYNAPTICS:#define PSMOUSE_PS2 1 #define PSMOUSE_PS2PP 2 #define PSMOUSE_PS2TPP 3 #define PSMOUSE_GENPS 4 #define PSMOUSE_IMPS 5 #define PSMOUSE_IMEX 6 #define PSMOUSE_SYNAPTICS 7That should turn off just synaptics, no?
No. The numbers are arbitrary.
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Okay, so how to do this properly? Synaptics driver with "mouse emulation" is not usable (tap-to-click is critical), and I want to be able to boot 2.4...
Well, if you need to boot both 2.6 and 2.4 _and_ need to use gpm and X in parallel _and_ need tap-to-click in both gpm and X, then you have to use the kernel command line parameter and put your synaptics into legacy mode.
Or, the very nice thing to do would be to port the XFree86 driver to GPM, so that GPM can understand the event protocol as well.
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Well, if you need to boot both 2.6 and 2.4 _and_ need to use gpm and X in parallel _and_ need tap-to-click in both gpm and X, then you have to use the kernel command line parameter and put your synaptics into legacy mode.
Using psmouse_proto=imps? Or something else?
Will this also result in the passthough port not being enabled? (I'd like to disable it.)
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Well, if you need to boot both 2.6 and 2.4 _and_ need to use gpm and X in parallel _and_ need tap-to-click in both gpm and X, then you have to use the kernel command line parameter and put your synaptics into legacy mode.
Using psmouse_proto=imps? Or something else?
Yes, that one.
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Will this also result in the passthough port not being enabled? (I'd like to disable it.)
It depends on the touchpad firmware. Most leave it enabled. In this mode we don't have any control over the passthrough port.
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Well, if you need to boot both 2.6 and 2.4 _and_ need to use gpm and X in parallel _and_ need tap-to-click in both gpm and X, then you have to use the kernel command line parameter and put your synaptics into legacy mode.
Using psmouse_proto=imps? Or something else?
Yes, that one.
I tried 2.6.1 with that option set as above, and also with it set to base. In both cases I don't seem to get tap-to-click. In 2.6.1-rc1-mm1 with psmouse_noext=1, I get tap-to-click.
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Will this also result in the passthough port not being enabled? (I'd like to disable it.)
It depends on the touchpad firmware. Most leave it enabled. In this mode we don't have any control over the passthrough port.
I notice that the passthrough appears as an extra device (mouse1 on my system). Is there a way to disable devices from userspace? I did find the place in the synaptics driver that looks like it is where the passthrough port is registered, so I guess I could take that out as a last resort. But it's a pain having to remember to patch my kernel every time I upgrade.
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On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 08:18:22PM +0000, Sean Neakums wrote:
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Will this also result in the passthough port not being enabled? (I'd like to disable it.)
It depends on the touchpad firmware. Most leave it enabled. In this mode we don't have any control over the passthrough port.
I notice that the passthrough appears as an extra device (mouse1 on my system). Is there a way to disable devices from userspace?
You can write a program that grabs the event device for exclusive access and then just ignores all events, like this:
#include <sys/types.h>
#include <sys/stat.h>
#include <fcntl.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <errno.h>
#include <sys/ioctl.h>
#include <unistd.h>
#include <string.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
/* From linux/include/linux/input.h */
struct input_event {
struct timeval time;
unsigned short type;
unsigned short code;
unsigned int value;
};#define EVDEV "/dev/input/event0"
#define EVIOCGRAB _IOW('E', 0x90, int) /* Grab/Release device */
int main(int argc, char* argv[])
{
const char* devName = EVDEV;
int fd;
int ret;
if (argc > 1)
devName = argv[1];
fd = open(devName, O_RDONLY);
if (fd < 0) {
fprintf(stderr, "Can't open file %s, errno:%d (%s)\n",
devName, errno, strerror(errno));
exit(1);
}
ret = ioctl(fd, EVIOCGRAB, 1);
if (ret < 0) {
printf("Can't grab event device, errno:%d (%s)\n",
errno, strerror(errno));
exit(1);
}
for (;;) {
struct input_event ev;
read(fd, &ev, sizeof(ev));
}
close(fd);
return 0;
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Will this also result in the passthough port not being enabled? (I'd like to disable it.)
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It depends on the touchpad firmware. Most leave it enabled. In this mode we don't have any control over the passthrough port.
I notice that the passthrough appears as an extra device (mouse1 on my system). Is there a way to disable devices from userspace?
You can write a program that grabs the event device for exclusive access and then just ignores all events, like this:
That works great. Thank you!
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Or, the very nice thing to do would be to port the XFree86 driver to GPM, so that GPM can understand the event protocol as well.
Already done...
# rpm -q gpm gpm-1.20.1-dt8
# ps -e o pid,user,cmd | grep gpm 2068 root gpm -m /dev/input/event0 -t evdev -o type=synaptics -M -m /dev/input/mice -t imps2
I believe the issue is that /dev/input/event0 can't be opened by multiple things (gpm and X) in 2.4 as can be done in 2.6.
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Or, the very nice thing to do would be to port the XFree86 driver to GPM, so that GPM can understand the event protocol as well.
Already done...
Cool! I forgot. I thought only the regular mouse event protocol was added.
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# rpm -q gpm gpm-1.20.1-dt8# ps -e o pid,user,cmd | grep gpm 2068 root gpm -m /dev/input/event0 -t evdev -o type=synaptics -M -m /dev/input/mice -t imps2I believe the issue is that
/dev/input/event0can't be opened by multiple things (gpm and X) in 2.4 as can be done in 2.6.
It can be opened by any number of programs on both 2.4 and 2.6. 2.4 doesn't have the synaptics (or any other ps/2) mouse driver and thus it's only used for USB mice.
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