PROBLEM: Keyboard not found, but it exists!

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[1.] One line summary of the problem:
Keyboard not found, but it exists!

[2.] Full description of the problem/report:
The PS/2 keyboard fails during the kernel boot (before init), saying:
keyboard: Timeout - AT keyboard not present?(ed)
keyboard: Timeout - AT keyboard not present?(f4)

The keyboard does indeed exist, and I am able to use it in BIOS, in the boot manager, and booting to DOS. The above errors, however disable the keyboard after the kenel boot, and so I am unable to use it in the running system.

Thats not the full extent of the problem though. I also have problems running "hwclock" without the --directisa option, it will just block (and I can't abort it with no keyboard). I've added the --directisa option to startup/shutdown for now.

I've also experienced some problems with the system time just jumping ahead by 35 minutes, and then back again. The back again part could be because I'm running NTP to keep the system in sync, but I'm getting weird behavior with time on this system, which is causing havoc on applications.

[3.] Keywords (i.e., modules, networking, kernel):
2.4.19 keyboard ps2

[4.] Kernel version (from /proc/version):
Linux version 2.4.19-crypto-r7 (root@sanctuary) (gcc version 3.1.1) #3 SMP Thu

Aug 29 14:34:19 EDT 2002

[5.] Output of Oops.. message (if applicable) with symbolic information
resolved (see Documentation/oops-tracing.txt)
N/A

[6.] A small shell script or example program which triggers the
problem (if possible)
N/A

[7.] Environment

[7.1.] Software (add the output of the ver_linux script here) Linux sanctuary 2.4.19-crypto-r7 #3 SMP Thu Aug 29 14:34:19 EDT 2002 i686 Pentium III (Coppermine) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

Gnu C gcc (GCC) 3.1.1 Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software
Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

Gnu make               3.80
util-linux             2.11u
mount                  2.11u
modutils               2.4.19
e2fsprogs              1.29
PPP                    2.4.1
Linux C Library        2.2.5
Dynamic linker (ldd)   2.2.5
Linux C++ Library      4.0.0
Procps                 2.0.10
Net-tools              1.60
Kbd                    1.06
Sh-utils               2.0.15
Modules Loaded         sd_mod usb-storage scsi_mod uhci via686a eeprom 

i2c-proc i2c-isa i2c-viapro i2c-core 8139too mii usbcore

[7.2.] Processor information (from /proc/cpuinfo):
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 8
model name : Pentium III (Coppermine)
stepping : 3
cpu MHz : 798.539
cache size : 256 KB
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 2
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca
cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse
bogomips : 1564.67

processor : 1
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 8
model name : Pentium III (Coppermine)
stepping : 3
cpu MHz : 798.539
cache size : 256 KB
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 2
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca
cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse
bogomips : 1593.34

[7.3.] Module information (from /proc/modules):

sd_mod                 11584   0
usb-storage            23868   0
scsi_mod               89248   2 [sd_mod usb-storage]
uhci                   27432   0 (unused)
via686a                 8388   0
eeprom                  3584   0
i2c-proc                7264   0 [via686a eeprom]
i2c-isa                 1220   0 (unused)
i2c-viapro              4040   0 (unused)
i2c-core               14336   0 [via686a eeprom i2c-proc i2c-isa i2c-viapro]
8139too                16160   1
mii                     1296   0 [8139too]
usbcore                64704   1 [usb-storage uhci]

[7.4.] Loaded driver and hardware information (/proc/ioports, /proc/iomem) 0000-001f : dma1
0020-003f : pic1
0040-005f : timer
0060-006f : keyboard
0070-007f : rtc
0080-008f : dma page reg
00a0-00bf : pic2
00c0-00df : dma2
00f0-00ff : fpu
01f0-01f7 : ide0
02f8-02ff : serial(auto)
03c0-03df : vga+
03f6-03f6 : ide0
03f8-03ff : serial(auto)
0400-040f : VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI]
0400-0407 : viapro-smbus
0800-08ff : VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI] 0c00-0c7f : VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI]
0c00-0c7f : via686a-sensors
0cf8-0cff : PCI conf1
a000-afff : PCI Bus #01
ac00-acff : 3Dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo Banshee
d000-d01f : VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB
d000-d01f : usb-uhci
d400-d41f : VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (#2)
d400-d41f : usb-uhci
d800-d8ff : Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C
d800-d8ff : 8139too
ffa0-ffaf : VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE
ffa0-ffa7 : ide0
ffa8-ffaf : ide1

00000000-0009fbff : System RAM
0009fc00-0009ffff : reserved
000a0000-000bffff : Video RAM area
000c0000-000c7fff : Video ROM
000f0000-000fffff : System ROM
00100000-3ffeffff : System RAM
00100000-002ef0af : Kernel code
002ef0b0-0036f7bf : Kernel data
3fff0000-3fff7fff : ACPI Tables
3fff8000-3fffffff : ACPI Non-volatile Storage 40000000-400000ff : Platform Technologies, Inc. AGOGO sound chip (aka ESS Maestro 1)
d7c00000-dbcfffff : PCI Bus #01
d8000000-d9ffffff : 3Dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo Banshee
dbe00000-dfefffff : PCI Bus #01
dc000000-ddffffff : 3Dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo Banshee
dfffff00-dfffffff : Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C
dfffff00-dfffffff : 8139too
e0000000-e3ffffff : VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C693A/694x [Apollo PRO133x] fec00000-fec00fff : reserved
fee00000-fee00fff : reserved
ffff0000-ffffffff : reserved

[7.5.] PCI information ('lspci -vvv' as root)
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C693A/694x [Apollo PRO133x] (rev c4)
Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort-
<TAbort- <MAbort+ >SERR- <PERR+

        Latency: 16
        Region 0: Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M]
        Capabilities: [a0] AGP version 2.0
                Status: RQ=31 SBA+ 64bit- FW- Rate=x1
                Command: RQ=0 SBA- AGP- 64bit- FW- Rate=<none>
        Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2
                Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA 

PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-

00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C598/694x [Apollo MVP3/Pro133x AGP] (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66Mhz+ UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort-
<TAbort- <MAbort+ >SERR- <PERR-
Latency: 0
Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=0 I/O behind bridge: 0000a000-0000afff
Memory behind bridge: dbe00000-dfefffff
Prefetchable memory behind bridge: d7c00000-dbcfffff
BridgeCtl: Parity- SERR- NoISA- VGA+ MAbort- >Reset- FastB2B-
Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2
Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2- AuxCurrent=0mA
PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-

00:07.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super South] (rev
22)
Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686/A PCI to ISA Bridge
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping+ SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort-
<TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
Latency: 0

00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586B PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 10) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort-
<TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
Latency: 32
Region 4: I/O ports at ffa0 [size=16]
Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2
Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA
PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-

00:07.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 10) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. (Wrong ID) USB Controller
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV+ VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort-
<TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
Latency: 64, cache line size 08
Interrupt: pin D routed to IRQ 10
Region 4: I/O ports at d000 [size=32]
Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2
Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA
PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-

00:07.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 10) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. (Wrong ID) USB Controller
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV+ VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort-
<TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
Latency: 64, cache line size 08
Interrupt: pin D routed to IRQ 10
Region 4: I/O ports at d400 [size=32]
Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2
Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA
PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-

00:07.4 SMBus: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI] (rev 30)
Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort-
<TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
Capabilities: [68] Power Management version 2
Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA
PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-

00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RT8139
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort-
<TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
Latency: 64 (8000ns min, 16000ns max)
Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 10
Region 0: I/O ports at d800 [size=256]
Region 1: Memory at dfffff00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA
PME(D0-,D1+,D2+,D3hot+,D3cold-)
Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-

00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Platform Technologies, Inc. AGOGO sound chip (aka ESS Maestro 1) (rev 10)
Subsystem: Platform Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device ffff
Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort-
<TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 0
Region 0: I/O ports at 40000000 [disabled] [size=256]

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: 3Dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo Banshee (rev
03) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
Subsystem: Creative Labs 3D Blaster Banshee VE
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66Mhz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort-
<TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 11
Region 0: Memory at dc000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32M] Region 1: Memory at d8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=32M] Region 2: I/O ports at ac00 [size=256]
Expansion ROM at dfef0000 [disabled] [size=64K]
Capabilities: [54] AGP version 1.0
Status: RQ=7 SBA+ 64bit+ FW- Rate=x1
Command: RQ=0 SBA- AGP- 64bit- FW- Rate=<none>
Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 1
Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA
PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-

[7.6.] SCSI information (from /proc/scsi/scsi)
Attached devices:
Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
Vendor: IOMEGA Model: ZIP 100 Rev: 02.U
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02

[7.7.] Other information that might be relevant to the problem
(please look in /proc and include all information that you think to be relevant):

/proc/driver/rtc:
rtc_time : 00:00:00
rtc_date : 2000-00-00
rtc_epoch : 1900
alarm : 00:00:00
DST_enable : no
BCD : yes

24hr            : no
square_wave     : no
alarm_IRQ       : no
update_IRQ      : no
periodic_IRQ    : no
periodic_freq   : 1024
batt_status     : okay

[X.] Other notes, patches, fixes, workarounds:
N/A

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Well, I'm doing keyboards in 2.5 only, that's why I didn't comment on the LKML posting.

That's not correct. The above messages don't disable the keyboard - even when they appear the kernel still listens to keypresses from the keyboard - it only doesn't send LED commands to the keyboard anymore (because it'd have to timeout on each LED command). It'll start sending LED commands as soon as a keypress from the keyboard arrives.

Which means: The messages are just saying that the keyboard doesn't work. And it doesn't for some reason. But the reason is not the messages.

This may be caused by the same problem.

What BIOS timing setup are you using? Have you by any chance 'tuned' the board for better performance?

This is a known vt82c686a bug. Workarounds exist in various kernels. 2.4.18 has an incomplete workaround which isn't used if the CPU supports TSC.

I hate bugreports done by exactly following the bugreport cookbook. ;)

... because I don't need to know a small shell script isn't applicable, for example ...

Yes, a vt82c686a buggy chip ...

Vojtech Pavlik
SuSE Labs

Quoting the FAQ:

"Don't attach huge files to your post. One major culprit is people attaching their kernel .config file to their post."

These days people get flamed for _not_ attaching their .config to their post :-)

Also:

"Stick to the subject. This is a Linux kernel list, mainly for developers."

--- developers."
+++ developers to discuss technical issues, start flame wars, and +++ generally use at least 50% of the bandwidth on non-kernel issues.

:-)

John.

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Well, I upgraded the kernel (the old one was a 2.4.18, with a crapload of patches applied, the new one is actually a 2.4.19 kernel). In short, the problem persists under v2.4.19. And from the changelog, I can't see any changes done to this fix for 2.4.20.

It still jumps back and forth with time, and the keyboard (and mouse) are both still unresponsive. I can try 2.4.20 if you think it will change anything over 2.4.19. Otherwise, are there any other suggestions you can make as to what I can try? I'm not as worried about the keyboard/mouse since its a server, and I usually ssh to it, however the 'time warp' situation (it jumping ahead in time, and then back again) is much more destructive to the applications I run on the server.

Also, is there any way to know if it activated the workaround or not? I don't see anything special in my boot dmesg. I can send the boot dmesg file (my system saves it immediately after boot) and my .config file to anyone who thinks they might get some useful information out of it. I'd rather not have to go out and buy a new motherboard for this.

Thanks in advance,

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