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: Is kernel oops always a kernel bug ???

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Hi all ,

If a kernel oops, then is the problem always with the kernel ? Can't a user proggie ( running as root ) do something insane and make the kernel oops ?

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From: Linux Geek <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 11:33:46AM +0530

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Hi all ,

If a kernel oops, then is the problem always with the kernel ? Can't a user proggie ( running as root ) do something insane and make the kernel oops ?

That shouldn't happen - it's called DOS (Denial-Of-Service) if a user program can make the kernel oops. Some of these probably still exist in the linux kernel, nothing is perfect :-)

But another option exists: hardware failures. If your memory decides to take a break, you will get an oops also.

Good luck,
Jurriaan

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If a kernel oops, then is the problem always with the kernel ? Can't a user proggie ( running as root ) do something insane and make the kernel oops ?

At least in theory, there should be *nothing* that can happen in user space that will kill the kernel. However, in practice, if a program is running as root, it can definitely blortch things up. This is mostly due to the assumption that the root user has a clue, and that if they are (for instance) opening /proc/kcore for writing, that they know what they're doing. Similarly, if a program opens /dev/hda1 for writing and scribbles over the superblock, it may be a bit difficult to mount the filesystem.

So in general, yes, the root user can screw things up in the kernel. On the other hand, the root user can also 'rm -rf /' which doesn't require any extraordinary kernel assistance, just the unlink() system call. The only solution here is to not give root to clueless bozos, and to take regular backups. ;)

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