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Quoted 3 lines · On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 09:12:17PM +0900, [email protected] wrote:

Hi,

I found your post looking for a solution to my lockups. I bet if you do a dmesg, you will find that your nforce2 chipset revision is 162.

Yeah! Look:

NFORCE2: chipset revision 162

:)

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I have found tons of people with this exact problem. My Abit board will run Windows 2000 flawlessly, but lockup in a minute under Linux.

Currently I have a reward of $20 posted on two lists looking for a solution. Currently looking to up the ante to $40.

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http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16264

http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27003

I don't think the problem is the the IDE. I have used a promise controller and disabled the onboard IDE and still had lockups. If you find a solution, please let me know. If I find one, I will do likewise.

It looks like the problem is in APIC. When you disable it, it vanishes. And, when you enable NMI watchdog, which is handled by APIC, it doesn't work - it couts up to 15 in /proc/interrupts and then stops!

Cl<

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On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 09:12:17PM +0900, [email protected]

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Hi,

I found your post looking for a solution to my lockups. I bet if you do a dmesg, you will find that your nforce2 chipset revision is 162.

Yeah! Look:

NFORCE2: chipset revision 162

[alistair] 05:37 PM [~] dmesg | grep "NFORCE2: chipset"
NFORCE2: chipset revision 162

A quick google for "NFORCE2: chipset revision" reveals no chipset revision dmesg except 162. It seems likely most manufactures are using the same revision.

I use APIC and ACPI on my EPoX 8RDA+, and I've never had any IO problems. So it seems unlikely that it is tied to a chipset revision.

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It looks like the problem is in APIC. When you disable it, it vanishes. And, when you enable NMI watchdog, which is handled by APIC, it doesn't work - it couts up to 15 in /proc/interrupts and then stops!

I have not noticed any such APIC issues.

[alistair] 05:36 PM [~] uname -r
2.6.0-test3-mm2

[alistair] 05:37 PM [~] cat /proc/interrupts
CPU0

  0:    4582940          XT-PIC  timer
  1:      22830    IO-APIC-edge  i8042
  2:          0          XT-PIC  cascade
  4:     340689    IO-APIC-edge  serial
  7:       4881    IO-APIC-edge  parport0
  8:          1    IO-APIC-edge  rtc
  9:          0   IO-APIC-level  acpi
 14:      12942    IO-APIC-edge  ide0
 15:         10    IO-APIC-edge  ide1
 16:          4   IO-APIC-level  bttv0
 19:     504114   IO-APIC-level  EMU10K1, nvidia
 20:      45043   IO-APIC-level  ohci-hcd
 21:          0   IO-APIC-level  ehci_hcd
 22:         82   IO-APIC-level  ohci-hcd
NMI:          0
LOC:    4582946
ERR:          0
MIS:          0

Sounds suspiciously like software to me.

Cheers,
Alistair.

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Quoted 15 lines · Alistair J Strachan
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On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 09:12:17PM +0900, [email protected]

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Hi,

I found your post looking for a solution to my lockups. I bet if you do a dmesg, you will find that your nforce2 chipset revision is 162.

Yeah! Look:

NFORCE2: chipset revision 162

[alistair] 05:37 PM [~] dmesg | grep "NFORCE2: chipset"
NFORCE2: chipset revision 162

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A quick google for "NFORCE2: chipset revision" reveals no chipset revision dmesg except 162. It seems likely most manufactures are using the same revision.

I use APIC and ACPI on my EPoX 8RDA+, and I've never had any IO problems. So it seems unlikely that it is tied to a chipset revision.

I have had three boards with nforce2 replaced (all of them Soltek SL75FRN2-L) and all three did the same. However it seemed the frequency of the crashes varies with actual piece of board.

The crashes aren't in software - bare 'cat /dev/hda > /dev/null' is often to lock up the machine to the point that poweroff fails.

Cl<

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On Friday 15 August 2003 20:06, Clock wrote:
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I have had three boards with nforce2 replaced (all of them Soltek SL75FRN2-L) and all three did the same. However it seemed the frequency of the crashes varies with actual piece of board.

That's certainly interesting.

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The crashes aren't in software - bare 'cat /dev/hda > /dev/null' is often to lock up the machine to the point that poweroff fails.

[root] 06:43 PM [/home/alistair] time cat /dev/discs/disc0/disc > /dev/null (I ctrl-C'd here)

real    1m23.275s
user    0m0.979s
sys     0m12.608s

I don't know how obvious the problem is on your machine, but it's clearly not an issue on this nForce2. When I was referring to software, that included the kernel i.e., I suspect it isn't a design fault.

Any other details?

Cheers,
Alistair.

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Quoted 16 lines · Alistair J Strachan

On Friday 15 August 2003 20:06, Clock wrote:
[SNIP]

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I have had three boards with nforce2 replaced (all of them Soltek SL75FRN2-L) and all three did the same. However it seemed the frequency of the crashes varies with actual piece of board.

That's certainly interesting.

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The crashes aren't in software - bare 'cat /dev/hda > /dev/null' is often to lock up the machine to the point that poweroff fails.

[root] 06:43 PM [/home/alistair] time cat /dev/discs/disc0/disc > /dev/null (I ctrl-C'd here)

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real    1m23.275s
user    0m0.979s
sys     0m12.608s

I don't know how obvious the problem is on your machine, but it's clearly not an issue on this nForce2. When I was referring to software, that included the kernel i.e., I suspect it isn't a design fault.

It seems to occur fairly often just after boot time. When you try later, you usually fail in an attempt to lockup the machine and have to freshly RESET (not ctrl-alt-del!) the machine to get the behaviour back.

Cl<

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Quoted 11 lines · Alistair J Strachan
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I found your post looking for a solution to my lockups. I bet if you do a dmesg, you will find that your nforce2 chipset revision is 162.

Yeah! Look:

NFORCE2: chipset revision 162

NFORCE2: chipset revision 162

I use APIC and ACPI on my EPoX 8RDA+, and I've never had any IO problems. So it seems unlikely that it is tied to a chipset revision.

I have ASUS A7N8X Deluxe mobo with nForce2 rev 162 without any problems (if not counting unability to enabe SiI SATA DMA mode with attached Seagate Barracuda drive).

"22:26:25 up 17 days, 11:39, 5 users, load average: 0.06, 0.02, 0.00"

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NFORCE2: chipset revision 162

I use APIC and ACPI on my EPoX 8RDA+, and I've never had any IO problems. So it seems unlikely that it is tied to a chipset revision.

I have ASUS A7N8X Deluxe mobo with nForce2 rev 162 without any problems (if not counting unability to enabe SiI SATA DMA mode with attached Seagate Barracuda drive).

I have the exact same Board (except I'm not using SATA), and it's a nightmare. Best uptime so far: a little more than 16 hours. Usually it locks up a lot earlier. When I do network transfers I can cause it to lock within a few minutes. Under "the other OS" it runs without any problems.

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Hi!

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I don't think the problem is the the IDE. I have used a promise controller and disabled the onboard IDE and still had lockups. If you find a solution, please let me know. If I find one, I will do likewise.

It looks like the problem is in APIC. When you disable it, it vanishes. And, when you enable NMI watchdog, which is handled by APIC,

Another BIOS that dislikes APIC on when entering SMM mode? Perhaps that board needs blacklist entry that panics box if APIC is activated?

Pavel

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