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BUG in ht-aware scheduler/nice in 2.6.7-rc2 on dual xeon

DISCUSSION bert hubert 3 participants 3 messages Jun 7, 2004

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Con, Ingo, List,

I'm overjoyed with decent ht-aware scheduling in 2.6.7-rc2 and it does mostly the right thing. However, the 'nice' work by Con shows some slight problems.

Please find attached program 'eat-time.cc'. Make sure not to compile it with -O which might confuse things as this program basically does nothing.

Run it without arguments to determine the speed of 1 cpu, it outputs a number (megaloops/second). Then start it with that number as a parameter:

Sample:

$ ./eat-time
592
$ ./eat-time 592
99%
99%
100%
etc

Now starting four of these at the same time gives the desired result:

$ ./eat-time 592 & ./eat-time 592 & ./eat-time 592 & ./eat-time 592
50%
50%
50%
50% 
etc

This however:

$ ./eat-time 592 & ./eat-time 592 & 
100%
99%
In another xterm:
$ nice -n +19 ./eat-time 592 & nice -n +19 ./eat-time 592
5%
5%
5%

Fails sometimes, with all processes getting 50%. The above 'screenshot' is from the working and expected situation, which happens most of the time.

When it goes wrong, top shows me that Cpu0 and Cpu1 are 100% user, while Cpu2 and Cpu3 are both 100% nice. The niced processes show up in top as PRiority 39, the unniced ones (NI = 0) as PR 25.

I've also seen it that Cpu2 and Cpu3 are 100% busy, and 0 and 1 are 100% nice.

I'd say this situation happens once every 5 or 8 invocations, and perhaps somewhat more when first starting the niced processes.

Perhaps related, when running the above 'nice -n +19' line on its own, I see all CPUs getting load over time, the two processes are wandering. After a while they settle down, only to go on wandering again some time later, also touching configurations where a physical cpu suddenly hosts two processes.

Without nice, two processes get firmly pegged to different physical CPUs.

Anything I can do to help resolve this, just yell.

Thanks!

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Quoted 42 lines · bert hubert

Con, Ingo, List,

I'm overjoyed with decent ht-aware scheduling in 2.6.7-rc2 and it does mostly the right thing. However, the 'nice' work by Con shows some slight problems.

Please find attached program 'eat-time.cc'. Make sure not to compile it with -O which might confuse things as this program basically does nothing.

Run it without arguments to determine the speed of 1 cpu, it outputs a number (megaloops/second). Then start it with that number as a parameter:

Sample:

$ ./eat-time
592
$ ./eat-time 592
99%
99%
100%
etc

Now starting four of these at the same time gives the desired result:

$ ./eat-time 592 & ./eat-time 592 & ./eat-time 592 & ./eat-time 592
50%
50%
50%
50%
etc

This however:

$ ./eat-time 592 & ./eat-time 592 &
100%
99%
In another xterm:
$ nice -n +19 ./eat-time 592 & nice -n +19 ./eat-time 592
5%
5%
5%
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Fails sometimes, with all processes getting 50%. The above 'screenshot' is from the working and expected situation, which happens most of the time.

When it goes wrong, top shows me that Cpu0 and Cpu1 are 100% user, while Cpu2 and Cpu3 are both 100% nice. The niced processes show up in top as PRiority 39, the unniced ones (NI = 0) as PR 25.

This is just because the scheduler balancing is not aware of nice and when two same niceness tasks are on the same physical core they get equal shares. The ht-aware nice only works at keeping different nice values on the same physical core fair. There is no more that can be done using the current ht aware mechanism; a far more complicated balancing algorithm that takes nice into account would be required.

Con

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Quoted 10 lines · bert hubert

Fails sometimes, with all processes getting 50%. The above 'screenshot' is from the working and expected situation, which happens most of the time.

When it goes wrong, top shows me that Cpu0 and Cpu1 are 100% user, while Cpu2 and Cpu3 are both 100% nice. The niced processes show up in top as PRiority 39, the unniced ones (NI = 0) as PR 25.

I've also seen it that Cpu2 and Cpu3 are 100% busy, and 0 and 1 are 100% nice.

Ahh, that is because we don't do nice-aware SMP balancing. It is orthogonal to the HT-nice work.

Fixing it properly requires someone to sit down and do some careful design of nice-aware balancing that should be general enough to handle the HT problems as a matter of course.