remove SPF-using wbsd lists from MAINTAINERS
PATCH 1/1 remove SPF-using wbsd lists from MAINTAINERS
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<[email protected]>:
Connected to 213.115.189.212 but sender was rejected.
Remote host said: 417 SPF error mailout.stusta.mhn.de: Address does not pass the
+Sender Policy Framework
I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.
<[email protected]>:
Connected to 213.115.189.212 but sender was rejected.
Remote host said: 417 SPF error mailout.stusta.mhn.de: Address does not pass the
+Sender Policy Framework
I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.
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IMHO lists rejecting emails based on some non-standard extension don't belong into MAINTAINERS.
MAINTAINERS renamed from MAINTAINERS.old +0 -2
@@ -2539,8 +2539,6 @@ W83L51xD SD/MMC CARD INTERFACE DRIVER P: Pierre Ossman -M: [email protected] -L: [email protected] W: http://projects.drzeus.cx/wbsd S: Maintained
Quoted 9 lines · Adrian Bunk
<[email protected]>:
Connected to 213.115.189.212 but sender was rejected.
Remote host said: 417 SPF error mailout.stusta.mhn.de: Address does not pass the
+Sender Policy Framework
I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.IMHO lists rejecting emails based on some non-standard extension don't belong into
MAINTAINERS.
I assume as you removed Pierre Ossman's email address as well that you apply the same argument to peoples email addresses?
(Not that I'm endorsing SPF in any way - discussions about SPF are *off topic* here.)
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Russell King
Linux kernel 2.6 ARM Linux - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/
maintainer of: 2.6 PCMCIA - http://pcmcia.arm.linux.org.uk/
2.6 Serial coreQuoted 8 lines · Russell King
Quoted 7 lines · Adrian Bunk
<[email protected]>:
Connected to 213.115.189.212 but sender was rejected.
Remote host said: 417 SPF error mailout.stusta.mhn.de: Address does not pass the
+Sender Policy Framework
I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.
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IMHO lists rejecting emails based on some non-standard extension don't belong into
MAINTAINERS.I assume as you removed Pierre Ossman's email address as well that you apply the same argument to peoples email addresses?
Yes.
( BTW: It wasn't obvious to me that this s a personal address and not
a mailing list. )
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(Not that I'm endorsing SPF in any way - discussions about SPF are *off topic* here.)
Agreed. I'm simply considering it important that all addresses in maintainers are reachable for everyone.
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Russell King
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Adrian
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Pearl S. Buck - Dragon SeedQuoted 6 lines · Adrian Bunk
Quoted 2 lines · Russell King
I assume as you removed Pierre Ossman's email address as well that you apply the same argument to peoples email addresses?
Yes.
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( BTW: It wasn't obvious to me that this s a personal address and not
a mailing list. )Quoted 2 lines
(Not that I'm endorsing SPF in any way - discussions about SPF are *off topic* here.)
Agreed. I'm simply considering it important that all addresses in maintainers are reachable for everyone.
That is a flawed reason. There is no way to guarantee that all addresses listed there are reachable for *everyone*, so I guess that'll mean that you'll be removing all email addresses in that file.
You might alternatively consider trying to resolve whatever issue there is - maybe Pierre doesn't realise what he's (or his ISP) is doing.
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Russell King
Linux kernel 2.6 ARM Linux - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/
maintainer of: 2.6 PCMCIA - http://pcmcia.arm.linux.org.uk/
2.6 Serial coreQuoted 2 lines · Adrian Bunk
Agreed. I'm simply considering it important that all addresses in maintainers are reachable for everyone.
Thats impractical in the modern world of spam. You'd have to remove verizon (block loads of users), NTL (block loads of users), and so it goes on. Then there are sites filter between countries - where do you draw the line ?
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IMHO lists rejecting emails based on some non-standard extension don't belong into
MAINTAINERS.I assume as you removed Pierre Ossman's email address as well that you apply the same argument to peoples email addresses?
That would seem an appropriate thing to do. SPF is not compatible with SMTP email as we know it today; it would requires the whole world to upgrade to make its flawed assumptions come true. We should not list email addresses in MAINTAINERS which are afflicted by it.
For what it's worth, I recently changed all instances of one of my personal email addresses in the kernel, for precisely the same reason -- it's SPF-afflicted, and hence has no business being present in a form which cause people to expect that it's a normal, compatible email address.
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dwmw2
On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 10:43, Adrian Bunk wrote:
Perhaps a better approach might be to try and resolve why your emails got rejected. Are there invalid spf records involved? Is something at list.drzeus.cx misconfigured ?
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<[email protected]>:
Connected to 213.115.189.212 but sender was rejected.
Remote host said: 417 SPF error mailout.stusta.mhn.de: Address does not pass the
+Sender Policy Framework
I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.<[email protected]>:
Connected to 213.115.189.212 but sender was rejected.
Remote host said: 417 SPF error mailout.stusta.mhn.de: Address does not pass the
+Sender Policy Framework
I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.<-- snip -->
IMHO lists rejecting emails based on some non-standard extension don't belong into
MAINTAINERS.Signed-off-by Adrian Bunk <[email protected]>MAINTAINERS renamed from MAINTAINERS.old +0
-2@@ -2539,8 +2539,6 @@ W83L51xD SD/MMC CARD INTERFACE DRIVER P: Pierre Ossman -M: [email protected] -L: [email protected] W: http://projects.drzeus.cx/wbsd S: Maintained
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http://dmoz.org/profiles/pollei.html http://sourceforge.net/users/stephen_pollei/ http://www.orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=2455954990164098214 http://stephen_pollei.home.comcast.net/ GPG Key fingerprint = EF6F 1486 EC27 B5E7 E6E1 3C01 910F 6BB5 4A7D 9677
Quoted 2 lines · Adrian Bunk
IMHO lists rejecting emails based on some non-standard extension don't belong into
MAINTAINERS.
Find out why someone is publishing records saying your mail isnt valid instead of moaning here. If they are using SPF and you are not using any strange extensions its fine. You or your provider appears to be advertising that stusta.de doesn't use the mail relay you are using.
Quoted 10 lines · Alan Cox
Quoted 1 line · Adrian Bunk
IMHO lists rejecting emails based on some non-standard extension don't belong into
MAINTAINERS.Find out why someone is publishing records saying your mail isnt valid instead of moaning here. If they are using SPF and you are not using any strange extensions its fine. You or your provider appears to be advertising that stusta.de doesn't use the mail relay you are using.
I think I've fixed the problem now. It wasn't that there were published records for stusta.de, the problem was that the mail server couldn't resolve your domain. For some reason everything from the DNS I'm using to your DNS gets dropped. The mail server takes the paranoid route and assumes the worst when it cannot contact dns servers (that's why you got a 4xx, not a 5xx). I've now changed DNS which will hopefully solve the issue.
As for dropping the mailing list out of MAINTAINERS then I'd prefer you didn't (of course). But I will not remove the filters on the servers since they remove a lot of spam. If that means it cannot be in MAINTAINERS, then so be it.
Rgds
Pierre
Quoted 21 lines · Pierre Ossman
Quoted 11 lines · Alan Cox
Quoted 2 lines · Adrian Bunk
IMHO lists rejecting emails based on some non-standard extension don't belong into
MAINTAINERS.Find out why someone is publishing records saying your mail isnt valid instead of moaning here. If they are using SPF and you are not using any strange extensions its fine. You or your provider appears to be advertising that stusta.de doesn't use the mail relay you are using.
I think I've fixed the problem now. It wasn't that there were published records for stusta.de, the problem was that the mail server couldn't resolve your domain. For some reason everything from the DNS I'm using to your DNS gets dropped. The mail server takes the paranoid route and assumes the worst when it cannot contact dns servers (that's why you got a 4xx, not a 5xx). I've now changed DNS which will hopefully solve the issue.
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As for dropping the mailing list out of
MAINTAINERSthen I'd prefer you didn't (of course). But I will not remove the filters on the servers since they remove a lot of spam. If that means it cannot be inMAINTAINERS, then so be it.
You may wish to check the source port which your DNS servers are using to perform lookups. I've had a situation recently where someone was unable to send me mail. Upon investigation, I found that my name servers couldn't resolve his domain, but plain 'dig' on the same box could.
I've come across ISPs who think they should block DNS requests from certain _source_ ports to "improve" their security, which may explain what you're seeing.
If this is the case, I suggest Adrian finds a better ISP.
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Russell King
Linux kernel 2.6 ARM Linux - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/
maintainer of: 2.6 PCMCIA - http://pcmcia.arm.linux.org.uk/
2.6 Serial coreQuoted 8 lines · Pierre Ossman
I think I've fixed the problem now. It wasn't that there were published records for stusta.de, the problem was that the mail server couldn't resolve your domain. For some reason everything from the DNS I'm using to your DNS gets dropped. The mail server takes the paranoid route and assumes the worst when it cannot contact dns servers (that's why you got a 4xx, not a 5xx). I've now changed DNS which will hopefully solve the issue.
Which DNS server du you call "your DNS"?
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As for dropping the mailing list out of
MAINTAINERSthen I'd prefer you didn't (of course). But I will not remove the filters on the servers since they remove a lot of spam. If that means it cannot be inMAINTAINERS, then so be it.
I thought this was a wanted rejecting of my emails, and it's not so easy to contact you if you drop my emails...
Simply consider my patch being void.
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Rgds
Pierre
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Adrian
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"Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
"Only a promise," Lao Er said.
Pearl S. Buck - Dragon SeedQuoted 4 lines · Adrian Bunk
Which DNS server du you call "your DNS"?
130.236.230.9
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As for dropping the mailing list out of
MAINTAINERSthen I'd prefer you didn't (of course). But I will not remove the filters on the servers since they remove a lot of spam. If that means it cannot be inMAINTAINERS, then so be it.I thought this was a wanted rejecting of my emails, and it's not so easy to contact you if you drop my emails...
Unfortunatly I cannot turn off the filters for certain addresses. Otherwise I could turn it off for the postmaster address. Afraid I don't have a good solution to this problem.
Rgds
Pierre
Quoted 7 lines · Pierre Ossman
Quoted 3 lines · Adrian Bunk
Which DNS server du you call "your DNS"?
130.236.230.9
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That's a Swedish server that is hardly related to the email server I have to use.
Thinking about it:
mailout.stusta.mhn.de has two IP addresses.
Do you try some lookups of it's 10.150.127.10 address???
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Rgds
Pierre
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Adrian
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"Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
"Only a promise," Lao Er said.
Pearl S. Buck - Dragon SeedQuoted 3 lines · Adrian Bunk
Thinking about it:
mailout.stusta.mhn.de has two IP addresses.
Do you try some lookups of it's 10.150.127.10 address???
That's a private class A IP address which should never appear on the internet. Looks like DNS configuration is broken somewhere.
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Ondrej Zary
Quoted 9 lines · Adrian Bunk
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IMHO lists rejecting emails based on some non-standard extension don't belong into
MAINTAINERS.Find out why someone is publishing records saying your mail isnt valid instead of moaning here. If they are using SPF and you are not using any strange extensions its fine. You or your provider appears to be advertising that stusta.de doesn't use the mail relay you are using.
From reading this thread, it's not clear to me which of two possible
situations we are in:
1) The mail server is rejecting perfectly valid email based upon it
requiring SPF or some similar problem with that mail server.
2) The mail server is rejecting email because SPF is misconfigured on the
other end.
I agree that an email address should not be in maintainers if it rejects
email simply because a domain does not use SPF or correctly configures SPF such that the email should not be rejected (for example, by correctly saying that it cannot list all the possible sources of email from that domain). However, it is perfectly valid for it to drop emails based upon SPF that specifically says that the email is invalid, non-standard extension or not.
If you choose to use the non-standard extension and specifically use it to
communicate that certain emails are invalid, you have no right to complain that the emails you claimed were invalid are treated as such by others.
DS
Quoted 10 lines · David Schwartz
From reading this thread, it's not clear to me which of two possible
situations we are in:1) The mail server is rejecting perfectly valid email based upon it
requiring SPF or some similar problem with that mail server.2) The mail server is rejecting email because SPF is misconfigured on the
other end.
Since it's a bit off-topic for LKML it's being discussed off-list. The problem was with the DNS servers. Since the mail server could not determine SPF status for the domain it returned a temporary error (hoping that the DNS problem would get resolved).
So the situation is more towards 1). The mail is valid, but there is a DNS (or firewall) misconfigured somewhere.
Rgds
Pierre
Quoted 3 lines · Adrian Bunk
Remote host said: 417 SPF error mailout.stusta.mhn.de: Address does not pass the
+Sender Policy Framework
I'd recommend sitting on this patch for a week. If they haven't noticed by then that they're not accepting mail from anyplace on the Internet that doesn't advertise an SPF record (which is most of the net, still), then we don't need to be pointing MAINTAINERS there.
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W83L51xD SD/MMC CARD INTERFACE DRIVER
P: Pierre OssmanMAINTAINERS renamed from MAINTAINERS.old +0
-2-M: [email protected] -L: [email protected] W: http://projects.drzeus.cx/wbsd S: Maintained