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PATCH In review Alan Cox 4 participants 9 messages May 2, 2008 – May 3, 2008 Hfsplus filesystem

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PATCH 1/1 hfsplus: Correct user visible printk

The verb form is "journalised". Confirmed with the OED and BCS

fs/hfsplus/super.c +1 -1
diff -u --new-file --recursive --exclude-from /usr/src/exclude linux.vanilla-2.6.25-mm1/fs/hfsplus/super.c linux-2.6.25-mm1/fs/hfsplus/super.c
@@ -261,7 +261,7 @@
 			sb->s_flags |= MS_RDONLY;
 			*flags |= MS_RDONLY;
 		} else if (vhdr->attributes & cpu_to_be32(HFSPLUS_VOL_JOURNALED)) {
-			printk(KERN_WARNING "hfs: filesystem is marked journaled, leaving read-only.\n");
+			printk(KERN_WARNING "hfs: filesystem is marked journalised, leaving read-only.\n");
 			sb->s_flags |= MS_RDONLY;
 			*flags |= MS_RDONLY;
 		}
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Quoted 1 line · Alan Cox

The verb form is "journalised". Confirmed with the OED and BCS

But daily usage stats say something completely different (google):

journaled:   1,540,000 hits
journalized:   129,000 hits
journalised:     8,340 hits

BTW, what is common spelling in the kernel British or American English?

If you search for it with "file system" added, you get:

journaled:     134,000 hits ( 8.7% of above total)
journalized:     3,290 hits ( 2.5%)
journalised:     1,890 hits (22.7%)

So "journalized" is even less common when talking about file systems than it is in other contexts.
Guess the high percentage for "journalised" is your doing? ;-)

I don't see this as an improvement.

Cheers,
FJP

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BTW, what is common spelling in the kernel British or American English?

It varies. The fs journal code uses both at random sometimes mixed in the same paragraph. Fortunately "to journalise" is valid in both US and UK English.

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journaled: 134,000 hits ( 8.7% of above total)

Almost entirely caused by Linux.

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I don't see this as an improvement.

Actually using proper language is most definitely an improvement. Right now we are using incorrect made up words. Not only that we are using incorrect made up words when the computing professional bodies also say that our choice is wrong.

Alan

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Quoted 5 lines · Alan Cox
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BTW, what is common spelling in the kernel British or American English?

It varies. The fs journal code uses both at random sometimes mixed in the same paragraph. Fortunately "to journalise" is valid in both US and UK English.

Well, my spellchecker rejects the -se but recognizes the -ze. It also has no problems with journaled.

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journaled: 134,000 hits ( 8.7% of above total)

Almost entirely caused by Linux.

Sure. But that only proves my point: once something has been accepted as common language and a term, however technically wrong, is recognized to stand for something by the majority of existing users, it is probably wrong to change it. After all, language is a living and evolving thing. This is exactly how new words, terms and simplifications are introduced.

Google clearly shows that journaled is the accepted, and thus preferred term. Maybe if you'd proposed this patch (and others everywhere else journaled has been used) 5 years ago you'd been right. At this stage I think a change would only confuse.

Cheers,
FJP

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Google clearly shows that journaled is the accepted, and thus preferred term. Maybe if you'd proposed this patch (and others everywhere else

No google shows that Linux is referenced a lot.

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journaled has been used) 5 years ago you'd been right. At this stage I think a change would only confuse.

You may do. I don't, and I would point out that having a proper dictionary term is enormously important to people who meet a term they not met before.

Finally I put more weight on the views of the professional bodies for computing than on you ;)

Alan

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Quoted 3 lines · Alan Cox

Finally I put more weight on the views of the professional bodies for computing than on you ;)

Prescriptive arguments from authority don't really carry much weight. In this case it's particularly weak since Apple refer to hfs as a "journaled" or "journaling" filesystem[1].

And now I've been staring at it for so long that its just turned into a weird word...

J

[1] http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107249

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Prescriptive arguments from authority don't really carry much weight. In this case it's particularly weak since Apple refer to hfs as a "journaled" or "journaling" filesystem[1].

Indeed.

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And now I've been staring at it for so long that its just turned into a weird word...

Rotfl - it's not that important so lets forget about it if it upsets people so much

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Quoted 3 lines · Alan Cox

Actually using proper language is most definitely an improvement. Right
now we are using incorrect made up words. Not only that we are using incorrect made up words when the ...

Alan, you misunderestimate[1] how important Linux has become. Linux is important and pervasive enough that you have the ability to make any new word you wish, like well, "Linux".

(Although I do hope and pray that "propogate" never becomes an accepted spelling).

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computing professional bodies also say that our choice is wrong.

And Microsoft says deploying Linux is "risky". Are we supposed to care?

I've changed my mind on this issue. I think we should keep "journaled" in the sources. It makes sense and if future dictionaries credit the etymology of that word to Linux kernel developers, so much the better.

-sb

[1] Inside joke on USians.

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Quoted 2 lines · SL Baur

(Although I do hope and pray that "propogate" never becomes an accepted spelling).

A fellow Debian Installer developer has been know to use "propigate" :-)

With 21,000 google hits (adding to that now!), it's admittedly a lot less popular than "propogate" (with 283,000; even has a wiktionary entry).

I share your prayers though, for both.

Cheers,
FJP