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Fix update-index --refresh for submodules if stat(2) returns st_size 0

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PATCH 1/1 Fix update-index --refresh for submodules if stat(2) returns st_size 0

For example - Cygwin.

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Can MSys folks please try it? I noticed it when the test t2103-update-index-ignore-missing.sh (the 5th case) started failing.

 read-cache.c |    2 +-
 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
read-cache.c +1 -1
index a50a851..eb30c20 100644
@@ -281,7 +281,7 @@ int ie_modified(const struct index_state *istate,
 	 * the length field is zero.  For other cases the ce_size
 	 * should match the SHA1 recorded in the index entry.
 	 */
-	if ((changed & DATA_CHANGED) && ce->ce_size != 0)
+	if ((changed & DATA_CHANGED) && (ce->ce_size != 0 || S_ISGITLINK(ce->ce_mode)))
 		return changed;
 
 	changed_fs = ce_modified_check_fs(ce, st);
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Quoted 2 lines · Alex Riesen

Can MSys folks please try it? I noticed it when the test t2103-update-index-ignore-missing.sh (the 5th case) started failing.

I tested it. mingw.git does suffer from the problem, and this fixes it.

But!

read-cache.c int ie_modified(const struct index_state *istate, · line 284

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read-cache.c +1 -0
+	if ((changed & DATA_CHANGED) && (ce->ce_size != 0 || S_ISGITLINK(ce->ce_mode)))

Does this mean that ce->ce_size is non-zero for gitlinks, at least on Unix? Is this value useful in anyway? I don't think so. Then it shouldn't be a random value that lstat() happens to return.

-- Hannes

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Johannes Sixt, Tue, Jul 22, 2008 09:17:16 +0200:

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Quoted 2 lines · Alex Riesen

Can MSys folks please try it? I noticed it when the test t2103-update-index-ignore-missing.sh (the 5th case) started failing.

I tested it. mingw.git does suffer from the problem, and this fixes it.

Yes, I did too (at work).

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read-cache.c int ie_modified(const struct index_state *istate, · line 284

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read-cache.c +1 -0
+	if ((changed & DATA_CHANGED) && (ce->ce_size != 0 || S_ISGITLINK(ce->ce_mode)))

Does this mean that ce->ce_size is non-zero for gitlinks, at least on Unix?

It is non-zero for directories (which is what gitlinks are in working directories) on UNIX operating systems I met.

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Is this value useful in anyway?

Sometimes it is (the size a directory takes on storage)

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I don't think so. Then it shouldn't be a random value that lstat() happens to return.

The problem is: it is not random. I even suspect that Windows is the ONLY system which has st_size 0 for directories.

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Quoted 6 lines · Alex Riesen

Johannes Sixt, Tue, Jul 22, 2008 09:17:16 +0200:

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read-cache.c int ie_modified(const struct index_state *istate, · line 284

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read-cache.c +1 -0
+	if ((changed & DATA_CHANGED) && (ce->ce_size != 0 || S_ISGITLINK(ce->ce_mode)))

Does this mean that ce->ce_size is non-zero for gitlinks, at least on Unix?

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It is non-zero for directories (which is what gitlinks are in working directories) on UNIX operating systems I met.

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Is this value useful in anyway?

Sometimes it is (the size a directory takes on storage)

Sure; but is ce->ce_size of gitlinks useful?

-- Hannes

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Quoted 5 lines · Johannes Sixt

read-cache.c int ie_modified(const struct index_state *istate, · line 284

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read-cache.c +1 -0
+	if ((changed & DATA_CHANGED) && (ce->ce_size != 0 || S_ISGITLINK(ce->ce_mode)))

Does this mean that ce->ce_size is non-zero for gitlinks, at least on Unix? Is this value useful in anyway? I don't think so. Then it shouldn't be a random value that lstat() happens to return.

These ce_xxx fields are the values we read from lstat(2) when the user told us to stage that working tree entity, be it a regular file, a symlink, or a directory that is a submodule. The only thing required for them is that they are stable (i.e. if you haven't touched the working tree entity, the value stays the same), and changes across modification. The value itself does not have to "mean" anything.

When trying to see if the user has changes in the working tree entity since the last such staging of the path, we compare that value with what comes back from lstat(2), before actually comparing the contents. If the filesize changed, they cannot be the same and the code says you have modified it without having to look at the contents.

Side note. This is why you need to be careful after modifying autocrlf related configuration and attributes. If you had CRLF contents in the working tree that was incorrectly staged as-is, then switch autocrlf-on, and "git add" to fix the staged copy to be LF-terminated, we say "it's unchanged and we do not bother rehashing" by comparing the ce_xxx fields without looking at the contents (this is an absolutely necessary optimization to make "git add ." usable), because ce_size records the size of CRLF version you have in the working tree, and you haven't changed the working tree file in this sequence above.

Removing the file and checking things out would be the most straightforward solution in such a case.

We used to include ce_dev (taken from struct stat.st_dev) in the list of fields to cache and compare to detect changes, but that is now excluded because it is not stable (see comments in read-cache.c). If the directory size is unstable, perhaps it would be better to force it to some fixed magic value so that it is not used by this "quick change detection" check.

If you network-mount the same directory from POSIX and windows, the former may give "storage size of the directory" while the latter may give 0. This would mean that you would need a "update-index --refresh" when you switch between such machines.

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PATCH 1/1 Build configuration to skip ctime for modification test

On Windows, the only file attribute we need (executable) cannot be used, so ctime can be ignored as well. Change time is updated when file attributes were changed (or it is written to, but in this case, mtime is updated as well).

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Junio C Hamano, Tue, Jul 22, 2008 19:28:46 +0200:

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Quoted 5 lines · Johannes Sixt

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+	if ((changed & DATA_CHANGED) && (ce->ce_size != 0 || S_ISGITLINK(ce->ce_mode)))

Does this mean that ce->ce_size is non-zero for gitlinks, at least on Unix? Is this value useful in anyway? I don't think so. Then it shouldn't be a random value that lstat() happens to return.

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These ce_xxx fields are the values we read from lstat(2) when the user told us to stage that working tree entity, be it a regular file, a symlink, or a directory that is a submodule. The only thing required for them is that they are stable (i.e. if you haven't touched the working tree entity, the value stays the same), and changes across modification. The value itself does not have to "mean" anything.

This reminds me... We can't use the only file attribute we care about on Windows, so we can as well skip check for ctime. Besides, Google Desktop Search keeps changing ctime when crawling files (ok, GDS is a major usability nuance anyway, but the point is - we don't use the file attribute).

 read-cache.c |    2 ++
 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
read-cache.c +2 -0
index a50a851..c4f2718 100644
@@ -181,8 +181,10 @@ static int ce_match_stat_basic(struct cache_entry *ce, struct stat *st)
 	}
 	if (ce->ce_mtime != (unsigned int) st->st_mtime)
 		changed |= MTIME_CHANGED;
+#ifndef NO_TRUSTABLE_FILEMODE
 	if (ce->ce_ctime != (unsigned int) st->st_ctime)
 		changed |= CTIME_CHANGED;
+#endif
 
 	if (ce->ce_uid != (unsigned int) st->st_uid ||
 	    ce->ce_gid != (unsigned int) st->st_gid)
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Re: [PATCH] Build configuration to skip ctime for modification test

Hi,

read-cache.c static int ce_match_stat_basic(struct cache_entry *ce, struct stat *st) · line 187

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read-cache.c +2 -0
+#ifndef NO_TRUSTABLE_FILEMODE
 	if (ce->ce_ctime != (unsigned int) st->st_ctime)
 		changed |= CTIME_CHANGED;
+#endif

Surely you meant trust_executable_bit instead, right?

Otherwise, if you really want to tell at compile time,I think for clarity you have to introduce another #define, since NO_TRUSTABLE_FILEMODE definitely says something different than CTIME_IS_USELESS.

Ciao,
Dscho

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Re: [PATCH] Build configuration to skip ctime for modification test

Johannes Schindelin, Tue, Jul 22, 2008 22:17:21 +0200:

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Hi,

read-cache.c static int ce_match_stat_basic(struct cache_entry *ce, struct stat *st) · line 187

Quoted 4 lines · Alex Riesen
read-cache.c +2 -0
+#ifndef NO_TRUSTABLE_FILEMODE
 	if (ce->ce_ctime != (unsigned int) st->st_ctime)
 		changed |= CTIME_CHANGED;
+#endif

Surely you meant trust_executable_bit instead, right?

No. Just what I said: we don't have filemode (like "at all") - so no ctime as well. But maybe you're right, and trust_executable_bit is more flexible. Or maybe both (the #ifdef _and_ trust_executable_bit) and must be used...

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Otherwise, if you really want to tell at compile time,I think for clarity you have to introduce another #define, since NO_TRUSTABLE_FILEMODE definitely says something different than CTIME_IS_USELESS.

I had that at first (NO_DEPENDABLE_CTIME, than IGNORE_CTIME), than deemed it excessive.

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Re: [PATCH] Build configuration to skip ctime for modification test

Quoted 17 lines · Alex Riesen

Johannes Schindelin, Tue, Jul 22, 2008 22:17:21 +0200:

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Hi,

read-cache.c static int ce_match_stat_basic(struct cache_entry *ce, struct stat *st) · line 187

Quoted 4 lines · Alex Riesen
read-cache.c +2 -0
+#ifndef NO_TRUSTABLE_FILEMODE
 	if (ce->ce_ctime != (unsigned int) st->st_ctime)
 		changed |= CTIME_CHANGED;
+#endif

Surely you meant trust_executable_bit instead, right?

No. Just what I said: we don't have filemode (like "at all") - so no ctime as well. But maybe you're right, and trust_executable_bit is more flexible. Or maybe both (the #ifdef _and_ trust_executable_bit) and must be used...

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Otherwise, if you really want to tell at compile time,I think for clarity you have to introduce another #define, since NO_TRUSTABLE_FILEMODE definitely says something different than CTIME_IS_USELESS.

I had that at first (NO_DEPENDABLE_CTIME, than IGNORE_CTIME), than deemed it excessive.

Why is it excessive? My initial reaction was "what does trustable filemode nor trust_executable_bit has anything to do with ctime". Please explain.

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Re: [PATCH] Build configuration to skip ctime for modification test

Junio C Hamano, Wed, Jul 23, 2008 02:12:50 +0200:

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Otherwise, if you really want to tell at compile time,I think for clarity you have to introduce another #define, since NO_TRUSTABLE_FILEMODE definitely says something different than CTIME_IS_USELESS.

I had that at first (NO_DEPENDABLE_CTIME, than IGNORE_CTIME), than deemed it excessive.

Why is it excessive? My initial reaction was "what does trustable filemode nor trust_executable_bit has anything to do with ctime". Please explain.

Because exactly the file mode (the executable bit) is the reason for checking ctime. Otherwise there is no point: Git doesn't save any other data which when changed cause a ctime update. And exactly the file mode is completely broken on that cygwin thing. Which is precisely pointed by NO_TRUSTABLE_FILEMODE. Hence - just it.

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Re: [PATCH] Build configuration to skip ctime for modification test

Hi,

Quoted 2 lines · Alex Riesen

Because exactly the file mode (the executable bit) is the reason for checking ctime.

But ctime is broken on Windows. Because ctime is supposed to change whenever the _inode_ changes.

You have to admit that saying "I ignore the ctime because the executable bit is broken" must leave the reader puzzled.

Ciao,
Dscho

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Re: [PATCH] Build configuration to skip ctime for modification test

Johannes Schindelin, Wed, Jul 23, 2008 18:59:02 +0200:

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Because exactly the file mode (the executable bit) is the reason for checking ctime.

But ctime is broken on Windows. Because ctime is supposed to change whenever the _inode_ changes.

It is not that it is broken. We just don't need it, because the st_mode is not used, and the rest of inode information is not used anyway.

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You have to admit that saying "I ignore the ctime because the executable bit is broken" must leave the reader puzzled.

This is conclusion. I said "file mode" and "file attributes", which is how reason for ctime update is defined in SUSv3. man 2 stat says:

The field st_ctime is changed by writing or by setting inode information (i.e., owner, group, link count, mode, etc.).

Not just "inode" but "inode information". Only mode is used, and even that is ignored on Windows.

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Re: [PATCH] Build configuration to skip ctime for modification test

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It is not that it is broken. We just don't need it, because the st_mode is not used, and the rest of inode information is not used anyway.

That is NOT why git checks the ctime.

Git checks the ctime not because it cares about the inode state being modified per se: since it can see that _directly_ - so why should it care about inode state like st_mode?

No, git checks ctime because it in general tries to make it VERY VERY hard for people to try to "fake out" git and replace files from underneath it without git noticing.

It's much easier and much more common for tools to restore 'mtime' when they do some operation on a file than it is for them to restore 'ctime'.

For example, if you rsync files between two hosts, the '-t' flag will make rsync try to keep the mtimes in sync (and it's part of '-a', which is the common form that you'd use for rsync). So if you only look at mtime and size, you often miss the fact that the file has actually been messed with!

Looking at ctime gets around a number of those things. Of course, it can cause git to be _too_ eager in thinking that a file is modified, and an example of that is the insane indexing that 'beagle' does, which actually modifies the files by adding inode extended attributes to them and thus changes ctime due to the indexing. But in general it's a lot better to be too careful than to miss the fact that somebody changed the file.

Linus

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Re: [PATCH] Build configuration to skip ctime for modification test

Linus Torvalds, Fri, Jul 25, 2008 04:00:29 +0200:

Quoted 23 lines · Alex Riesen
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It is not that it is broken. We just don't need it, because the st_mode is not used, and the rest of inode information is not used anyway.

That is NOT why git checks the ctime.

Git checks the ctime not because it cares about the inode state being modified per se: since it can see that _directly_ - so why should it care about inode state like st_mode?

No, git checks ctime because it in general tries to make it VERY VERY hard for people to try to "fake out" git and replace files from underneath it without git noticing.

It's much easier and much more common for tools to restore 'mtime' when they do some operation on a file than it is for them to restore 'ctime'.

For example, if you rsync files between two hosts, the '-t' flag will make rsync try to keep the mtimes in sync (and it's part of '-a', which is the common form that you'd use for rsync). So if you only look at mtime and size, you often miss the fact that the file has actually been messed with!

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Looking at ctime gets around a number of those things. Of course, it can cause git to be _too_ eager in thinking that a file is modified, and an example of that is the insane indexing that 'beagle' does, which actually modifies the files by adding inode extended attributes to them and thus changes ctime due to the indexing. But in general it's a lot better to be too careful than to miss the fact that somebody changed the file.

But, given the fact, that somewhere sometimes its very-very annoying to have even one (un)changed file, something must be done about it. Maybe just direct

    # my .gitconfig for Windows machines with GDS
    [core]
	filemode = false
	trustctime = false
	logallrefupdates = false
    [pack]
	threads = 1
    etc...
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Re: [PATCH] Build configuration to skip ctime for modification test

Hi,

Quoted 6 lines · Alex Riesen

But, given the fact, that somewhere sometimes its very-very annoying to have even one (un)changed file, something must be done about it. Maybe just direct

[...]
trustctime = false

... which is all Junio and I were asking all along: a separate way to ask for ignoring ctime; not just DWIM it on top of the executable bit.

Ciao,
Dscho

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PATCH 1/1 Make use of stat.ctime configurable

because there are situations where it produces too much false positives. Like when file system crawlers keep changing it when scanning and using the ctime for marking scanned files.

The default is to allow use of ctime.

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Johannes Schindelin, Sat, Jul 26, 2008 02:57:25 +0200:

Quoted 10 lines · Alex Riesen
Quoted 6 lines

But, given the fact, that somewhere sometimes its very-very annoying to have even one (un)changed file, something must be done about it. Maybe just direct

[...]
trustctime = false

... which is all Junio and I were asking all along: a separate way to ask for ignoring ctime; not just DWIM it on top of the executable bit.

Oh...

 cache.h       |    1 +
 config.c      |    4 ++++
 environment.c |    1 +
 read-cache.c  |    2 +-
 4 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
cache.h +1 -0
index 38985aa..00d02d3 100644
@@ -421,6 +421,7 @@ extern int delete_ref(const char *, const unsigned char *sha1);
 
 /* Environment bits from configuration mechanism */
 extern int trust_executable_bit;
+extern int trust_file_ctime;
 extern int quote_path_fully;
 extern int has_symlinks;
 extern int ignore_case;
config.c +4 -0
index 1e066c7..860e8ab 100644
@@ -341,6 +341,10 @@ static int git_default_core_config(const char *var, const char *value)
 		trust_executable_bit = git_config_bool(var, value);
 		return 0;
 	}
+	if (!strcmp(var, "core.filectime")) {
+		trust_file_ctime = git_config_bool(var, value);
+		return 0;
+	}
 
 	if (!strcmp(var, "core.quotepath")) {
 		quote_path_fully = git_config_bool(var, value);
environment.c +1 -0
index 4a88a17..4982771 100644
@@ -13,6 +13,7 @@ char git_default_email[MAX_GITNAME];
 char git_default_name[MAX_GITNAME];
 int user_ident_explicitly_given;
 int trust_executable_bit = 1;
+int trust_file_ctime = 1;
 int has_symlinks = 1;
 int ignore_case;
 int assume_unchanged;
read-cache.c +1 -1
index a50a851..00d39dc 100644
@@ -181,7 +181,7 @@ static int ce_match_stat_basic(struct cache_entry *ce, struct stat *st)
 	}
 	if (ce->ce_mtime != (unsigned int) st->st_mtime)
 		changed |= MTIME_CHANGED;
-	if (ce->ce_ctime != (unsigned int) st->st_ctime)
+	if (trust_file_ctime && ce->ce_ctime != (unsigned int) st->st_ctime)
 		changed |= CTIME_CHANGED;
 
 	if (ce->ce_uid != (unsigned int) st->st_uid ||
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Re: [PATCH] Make use of stat.ctime configurable

Quoted 3 lines · Alex Riesen

because there are situations where it produces too much false positives. Like when file system crawlers keep changing it when scanning and using the ctime for marking scanned files.

This justification is good and I am very inclined to advocate for its inclusion in 1.6.0, but any new configuration needs to be in the documentation.

It appears there is "gui.trustmtime"; shouldn't this be called "core.trustctime" or something?

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PATCH 1/1 Make use of stat.ctime configurable

because there are situations where it produces too much false positives. Like when file system crawlers keep changing it when scanning and using the ctime for marking scanned files.

The default is to allow use of ctime.

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Junio C Hamano, Sun, Jul 27, 2008 21:46:42 +0200:

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Quoted 3 lines · Alex Riesen

because there are situations where it produces too much false positives. Like when file system crawlers keep changing it when scanning and using the ctime for marking scanned files.

This justification is good and I am very inclined to advocate for its inclusion in 1.6.0, but any new configuration needs to be in the documentation.

Done.

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It appears there is "gui.trustmtime"; shouldn't this be called "core.trustctime" or something?

Getting old... I even called the global flag trust_file_ctime! Corrected. Changed trust_file_ctime to trust_ctime.

 Documentation/config.txt           |    7 +++++++
 Documentation/git-update-index.txt |    5 +++++
 cache.h                            |    1 +
 config.c                           |    4 ++++
 environment.c                      |    1 +
 read-cache.c                       |    2 +-
 6 files changed, 19 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
Documentation/config.txt +7 -0
index 1a13abc..552c134 100644
@@ -149,6 +149,13 @@ core.safecrlf::
 	`core.autocrlf`, git will reject the file.  The variable can
 	be set to "warn", in which case git will only warn about an
 	irreversible conversion but continue the operation.
+
+core.trustctime::
+	If false, the ctime differences between the index and the
+	working copy are ignored; useful when the inode change time
+	is regularly modified by something outside Git (file system
+	crawlers and some backup systems).
+	See linkgit:git-update-index[1]. True by default.
 +
 CRLF conversion bears a slight chance of corrupting data.
 autocrlf=true will convert CRLF to LF during commit and LF to
Documentation/git-update-index.txt +5 -0
index 6b930bc..1d9d81a 100644
@@ -323,6 +323,11 @@ from symbolic link to regular file.
 The command looks at `core.ignorestat` configuration variable.  See
 'Using "assume unchanged" bit' section above.
 
+The command also looks at `core.trustctime` configuration variable.
+It can be useful when the inode change time is regularly modified by
+something outside Git (file system crawlers and backup systems use
+ctime for marking files processed) (see linkgit:git-config[1]).
+
 
 SEE ALSO
 --------
cache.h +1 -0
index 4b6c0a6..2475de9 100644
@@ -423,6 +423,7 @@ extern int delete_ref(const char *, const unsigned char *sha1);
 
 /* Environment bits from configuration mechanism */
 extern int trust_executable_bit;
+extern int trust_ctime;
 extern int quote_path_fully;
 extern int has_symlinks;
 extern int ignore_case;
config.c +4 -0
index 1e066c7..53f04a0 100644
@@ -341,6 +341,10 @@ static int git_default_core_config(const char *var, const char *value)
 		trust_executable_bit = git_config_bool(var, value);
 		return 0;
 	}
+	if (!strcmp(var, "core.trustctime")) {
+		trust_ctime = git_config_bool(var, value);
+		return 0;
+	}
 
 	if (!strcmp(var, "core.quotepath")) {
 		quote_path_fully = git_config_bool(var, value);
environment.c +1 -0
index 4a88a17..0c6d11f 100644
@@ -13,6 +13,7 @@ char git_default_email[MAX_GITNAME];
 char git_default_name[MAX_GITNAME];
 int user_ident_explicitly_given;
 int trust_executable_bit = 1;
+int trust_ctime = 1;
 int has_symlinks = 1;
 int ignore_case;
 int assume_unchanged;
read-cache.c +1 -1
index 6c08803..1cae361 100644
@@ -197,7 +197,7 @@ static int ce_match_stat_basic(struct cache_entry *ce, struct stat *st)
 	}
 	if (ce->ce_mtime != (unsigned int) st->st_mtime)
 		changed |= MTIME_CHANGED;
-	if (ce->ce_ctime != (unsigned int) st->st_ctime)
+	if (trust_ctime && ce->ce_ctime != (unsigned int) st->st_ctime)
 		changed |= CTIME_CHANGED;
 
 	if (ce->ce_uid != (unsigned int) st->st_uid ||
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Re: [PATCH] Make use of stat.ctime configurable

Quoted 3 lines · Alex Riesen

because there are situations where it produces too much false positives. Like when file system crawlers keep changing it when scanning and using the ctime for marking scanned files.

That's interesting, since most backup software uses the ctime to determine file changes.

David

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Re: [PATCH] Make use of stat.ctime configurable

Quoted 8 lines · David Brown
Quoted 3 lines · Alex Riesen

because there are situations where it produces too much false positives. Like when file system crawlers keep changing it when scanning and using the ctime for marking scanned files.

That's interesting, since most backup software uses the ctime to determine file changes.

It really is just Beagle that is (was? I can dream) a piece of unbelievable crap.

Anybody who uses extended attributes as part of a indexing scheme is just insane. Modifying the file you are indexing is not just fundamentally wrong to begin with, but it will then also be incredibly inefficient to read those entries one at a time.

And no other sane model would ever touch 'ctime'.

Oh, well. Making ctime configurable is not wrong per se. But if it's Beagle that triggers this, the fix is sadly in the wrong place.

Linus

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Re: [PATCH] Make use of stat.ctime configurable

Linus Torvalds, Mon, Jul 28, 2008 18:09:32 +0200:

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It really is just Beagle that is (was? I can dream) a piece of unbelievable crap.

Anybody who uses extended attributes as part of a indexing scheme is just insane. Modifying the file you are indexing is not just fundamentally wrong to begin with, but it will then also be incredibly inefficient to read those entries one at a time.

And no other sane model would ever touch 'ctime'.

Beagle is not alone. Google Desktop Search was mentioned before.

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Oh, well. Making ctime configurable is not wrong per se. But if it's Beagle that triggers this, the fix is sadly in the wrong place.

Never said it was a fix. Same as CRLF conversion is not a feature.

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Re: [PATCH] Make use of stat.ctime configurable

In reply to Linus Torvalds
Quoted 11 lines · Linus Torvalds
Quoted 8 lines · David Brown
Quoted 3 lines · Alex Riesen

because there are situations where it produces too much false positives. Like when file system crawlers keep changing it when scanning and using the ctime for marking scanned files.

That's interesting, since most backup software uses the ctime to determine file changes.

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It really is just Beagle that is (was? I can dream) a piece of unbelievable crap.

Anybody who uses extended attributes as part of a indexing scheme is just insane. Modifying the file you are indexing is not just fundamentally wrong to begin with, but it will then also be incredibly inefficient to read those entries one at a time.

It's a typo and you are saying it _is_ fundamentally wrong, aren't you?

If you are prepared to pick up new files, you need to crawl everywhere anyway, so if the xattr is used to leave a mark "The last time I looked at this file was this" in the file itself, it does not sound too bad to me. It would be irritating that it touches ctime, though, but I do not use it so it is not my problem ;-)

http://beagle-project.org/FAQ "Do I really need extended attributes?" talks about BEAGLE_DISABLE_XATTR environment variable and interestingly it says disabling use of xattr would slow you down.

#22 lore raw

Re: [PATCH] Make use of stat.ctime configurable

Quoted 7 lines · Junio C Hamano
Quoted 5 lines

Anybody who uses extended attributes as part of a indexing scheme is just insane. Modifying the file you are indexing is not just fundamentally wrong to begin with, but it will then also be incredibly inefficient to read those entries one at a time.

It's a typo and you are saying it _is_ fundamentally wrong, aren't you?

Not a typo, and I'm sayin that "it's not _just_ fundamentally wrong"

So yes, it's fundamentally wrong, but it's worse than that. It's fundamentally wrong _and_ it's inefficient as hell.

Quoted 3 lines

If you are prepared to pick up new files, you need to crawl everywhere anyway, so if the xattr is used to leave a mark "The last time I looked at this file was this" in the file itself, it does not sound too bad to me.

It's absolutely horrible.

It means that you have another extra indirection and accompanying disk seek to check the thing. It's a total performance nightmare. Trust me, anybody who uses extended attributes like this simply does not know what he is doing.

Quoted 4 lines

It would be irritating that it touches ctime, though, but I do not use it
http://beagle-project.org/FAQ "Do I really need extended attributes?" talks about BEAGLE_DISABLE_XATTR environment variable and interestingly it says disabling use of xattr would slow you down.

They don't have a clue. They say that, but it's simply not true.

Of course, the fact that they think it is probably implies that they did something EVEN MORE STUPID for the non-xattr case. That wouldn't surprise me at all. If I had to guess, I'd guess that they used an SQL database and query language, and did all their tests with hot caches too.

The kernel does caching really well, and the kernel is fast as hell, so _of_course_ when you benchmark, using kernel data structures looks good, especially if you benchmark against code that isn't well written for the particular usage case.

Linus

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Re: [PATCH] Make use of stat.ctime configurable

Quoted 4 lines · Linus Torvalds

The kernel does caching really well, and the kernel is fast as hell, so _of_course_ when you benchmark, using kernel data structures looks good, especially if you benchmark against code that isn't well written for the particular usage case.

Ok. While I have your attention on st_ctime, let me ask you a stupid question. Why does "rename(old, new)" change st_ctime when you move a regular file?

#24 lore raw

Re: [PATCH] Make use of stat.ctime configurable

Quoted 7 lines · Junio C Hamano
Quoted 1 line · Linus Torvalds

The kernel does caching really well, and the kernel is fast as hell, so _of_course_ when you benchmark, using kernel data structures looks good, especially if you benchmark against code that isn't well written for the particular usage case.

Ok. While I have your attention on st_ctime, let me ask you a stupid question. Why does "rename(old, new)" change st_ctime when you move a regular file?

A simple answer might be that posix requires it. But, from the point of view of backup software, not updating the ctime on rename would be horrible, because you'd never know when files got renamed.

David

#25 lore raw

Re: [PATCH] Make use of stat.ctime configurable

Quoted 8 lines · David Brown
Quoted 7 lines · Junio C Hamano
Quoted 4 lines · Linus Torvalds

The kernel does caching really well, and the kernel is fast as hell, so _of_course_ when you benchmark, using kernel data structures looks good, especially if you benchmark against code that isn't well written for the particular usage case.

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Quoted 3 lines

Ok. While I have your attention on st_ctime, let me ask you a stupid question. Why does "rename(old, new)" change st_ctime when you move a regular file?

A simple answer might be that posix requires it.

I would understand that an obvious implementation would be to link to new and then unlink the old, and the link count of the moved entity needs to change (although in the end, the increment and decrement would cancel out) in each step, so it would be convenient for the implementation to update ctime in both steps; however my reading of POSIX does not seem to require it.

The only mention of ctime I find is about updating the parent directories of old and new, as contents of both change so do their mtime and ctime obviously need to change. But it does not talk about ctime of the entity being moved.

Additionally, the only way rename(2) is described to fail with EMLINK is when renaming an directory and the parent of the new location cannot have any more links; which implies that it does not have to fail if the first step of link+unlink overflows the link count of old.

Ah, I found in the informative Application Usage section that this is implementation dependent.

Sorry for the noise.

#26 lore raw

Re: [PATCH] Make use of stat.ctime configurable

In reply to David Brown

Hi,

Quoted 8 lines · David Brown
Quoted 2 lines · Junio C Hamano

Why does "rename(old, new)" change st_ctime when you move a regular file?

But, from the point of view of backup software, not updating the ctime on rename would be horrible, because you'd never know when files got renamed.

Any backup software that does not discover that there is a new _filename_ is not worth the label "software". Rather "daftware" or somesuch.

Ciao,
Dscho

#27 lore raw

Re: [PATCH] Make use of stat.ctime configurable

In reply to Junio C Hamano
Quoted 4 lines · Junio C Hamano

Ok. While I have your attention on st_ctime, let me ask you a stupid question. Why does "rename(old, new)" change st_ctime when you move a regular file?

Hmm. I think that's just a plain POSIX oddity. There's no real "reason" for it, except the historical one: in really old UNIX terms, rename used to be a "link+unlink".

And that "link+unlink" updated ctime because the 'nlink' part of the inode changed. Never mind that it got changed right back ;)

Linus

#28 lore raw

Re: [PATCH] Make use of stat.ctime configurable

Quoted 4 lines · Linus Torvalds

Hmm. I think that's just a plain POSIX oddity. There's no real "reason" for it, except the historical one: in really old UNIX terms, rename used to be a "link+unlink".

Side note: a lot of the mtime/ctime/atime rules are really pretty arbitrary. They've grown over time, and have various historic reasons. 'ctime' in particular is more arbitrary than most, and I don't at all guarantee that all Unixes will work exactly the same wrt ctime and rename.

In fact, I -can- guarantee that some older versions of Linux haven't always updated ctime on renames, for example, and it's probably still per-filesystem.

Linus

#29 lore raw

Re: [PATCH] Make use of stat.ctime configurable

In reply to Linus Torvalds

Hi,

Quoted 7 lines · Linus Torvalds
Quoted 6 lines · Junio C Hamano
Quoted 5 lines

Anybody who uses extended attributes as part of a indexing scheme is just insane. Modifying the file you are indexing is not just fundamentally wrong to begin with, but it will then also be incredibly inefficient to read those entries one at a time.

Quoted 7 lines
Quoted 2 lines

It's a typo and you are saying it _is_ fundamentally wrong, aren't you?

Not a typo, and I'm sayin that "it's not _just_ fundamentally wrong"

So yes, it's fundamentally wrong, but it's worse than that. It's fundamentally wrong _and_ it's inefficient as hell.

I haven't looked at Beagle's source code either, but as a _user_ I can say that it really became horribly, horribly slow after half a year of normal usage.

And yes, uninstalling Beagle, backing up the files, reformatting and putting the files back (to really get rid of the extended attributes already in the file system) helped.

So the first thing I did, back when I still used openSUSE, was to uninstall Beagle after the system install.

Ciao,
Dscho

#30 lore raw

Re: [PATCH] Make use of stat.ctime configurable

In reply to Alex Riesen
Quoted 8 lines · Alex Riesen
Documentation/config.txt +0 -0
index 1a13abc..552c134 100644
@@ -149,6 +149,13 @@ core.safecrlf::
 	`core.autocrlf`, git will reject the file.  The variable can
 	be set to "warn", in which case git will only warn about an
 	irreversible conversion but continue the operation.

Documentation/config.txt core.safecrlf:: · line 161

Quoted 10 lines
Documentation/config.txt +7 -0
+
+core.trustctime::
+	If false, the ctime differences between the index and the
+	working copy are ignored; useful when the inode change time
+	is regularly modified by something outside Git (file system
+	crawlers and some backup systems).
+	See linkgit:git-update-index[1]. True by default.
 +
 CRLF conversion bears a slight chance of corrupting data.
 autocrlf=true will convert CRLF to LF during commit and LF to

Somehow, this particular position of the new hunk does not feel like the best choice. ;-)

Petr "Pasky" Baudis

#31 lore raw

PATCH 1/1 Improve the placement of core.trustctime in the documentation

Accidentally, it split a _chapter_ about a file data corrup... conversion for a weird, but common operating system.

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Petr Baudis, Mon, Jul 28, 2008 18:20:43 +0200:

Quoted 14 lines · Alex Riesen
Quoted 13 lines
Documentation/config.txt +5 -0
index 1a13abc..552c134 100644
@@ -149,6 +149,13 @@ core.safecrlf::
 	`core.autocrlf`, git will reject the file.  The variable can
 	be set to "warn", in which case git will only warn about an
 	irreversible conversion but continue the operation.
+
+core.trustctime::
+	If false, the ctime differences between the index and the
+	working copy are ignored; useful when the inode change time
+	is regularly modified by something outside Git (file system
Quoted 9 lines

Documentation/config.txt core.safecrlf:: · line 161

Quoted 5 lines
Documentation/config.txt +2 -0
+	crawlers and some backup systems).
+	See linkgit:git-update-index[1]. True by default.
 +
 CRLF conversion bears a slight chance of corrupting data.
 autocrlf=true will convert CRLF to LF during commit and LF to

Somehow, this particular position of the new hunk does not feel like the best choice. ;-)

It's alphabetical. Why? Oh, shit... Screw alphabetical

 Documentation/config.txt |   14 +++++++-------
 1 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
Documentation/config.txt +7 -7
index 552c134..61c3760 100644
@@ -117,6 +117,13 @@ core.fileMode::
 	the working copy are ignored; useful on broken filesystems like FAT.
 	See linkgit:git-update-index[1]. True by default.
 
+core.trustctime::
+	If false, the ctime differences between the index and the
+	working copy are ignored; useful when the inode change time
+	is regularly modified by something outside Git (file system
+	crawlers and some backup systems).
+	See linkgit:git-update-index[1]. True by default.
+
 core.quotepath::
 	The commands that output paths (e.g. 'ls-files',
 	'diff'), when not given the `-z` option, will quote
@@ -149,13 +156,6 @@ core.safecrlf::
 	`core.autocrlf`, git will reject the file.  The variable can
 	be set to "warn", in which case git will only warn about an
 	irreversible conversion but continue the operation.
-
-core.trustctime::
-	If false, the ctime differences between the index and the
-	working copy are ignored; useful when the inode change time
-	is regularly modified by something outside Git (file system
-	crawlers and some backup systems).
-	See linkgit:git-update-index[1]. True by default.
 +
 CRLF conversion bears a slight chance of corrupting data.
 autocrlf=true will convert CRLF to LF during commit and LF to
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#32 lore raw

Re: [PATCH] Improve the placement of core.trustctime in the documentation

Quoted 31 lines · Alex Riesen

Accidentally, it split a _chapter_ about a file data corrup... conversion for a weird, but common operating system.

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Petr Baudis, Mon, Jul 28, 2008 18:20:43 +0200:

Quoted 14 lines · Alex Riesen
Quoted 13 lines
Documentation/config.txt +5 -0
index 1a13abc..552c134 100644
@@ -149,6 +149,13 @@ core.safecrlf::
 	`core.autocrlf`, git will reject the file.  The variable can
 	be set to "warn", in which case git will only warn about an
 	irreversible conversion but continue the operation.
+
+core.trustctime::
+	If false, the ctime differences between the index and the
+	working copy are ignored; useful when the inode change time
+	is regularly modified by something outside Git (file system
Quoted 9 lines

Documentation/config.txt core.safecrlf:: · line 161

Quoted 5 lines
Documentation/config.txt +2 -0
+	crawlers and some backup systems).
+	See linkgit:git-update-index[1]. True by default.
 +
 CRLF conversion bears a slight chance of corrupting data.
 autocrlf=true will convert CRLF to LF during commit and LF to

Somehow, this particular position of the new hunk does not feel like the best choice. ;-)

Quoted 1 line

It's alphabetical. Why? Oh, shit... Screw alphabetical

Yeah, I think it makes sense to put this after core.filemode.

#33 lore raw

Re: [PATCH] Make use of stat.ctime configurable

In reply to Alex Riesen
Quoted 3 lines · Alex Riesen

because there are situations where it produces too much false positives. Like when file system crawlers keep changing it when scanning and using the ctime for marking scanned files.

This justification is good and I am very inclined to advocate for its inclusion in 1.6.0, but any new configuration needs to be in the documentation.

It appears there is "gui.trustmtime"; shouldn't this be called "core.trustctime" or something?

#34 lore raw

PATCH 1/1 Do not use ctime if file mode is not used

In reply to Junio C Hamano

On some file systems, the only part of inode information we need (executable) cannot be used, so ctime can be ignored as well. Change time is updated when file attributes were changed (or it is written to, but in this case, mtime is updated as well).

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Junio C Hamano, Wed, Jul 23, 2008 02:12:50 +0200:

Quoted 6 lines
Quoted 2 lines

I had that at first (NO_DEPENDABLE_CTIME, than IGNORE_CTIME), than deemed it excessive.

Why is it excessive? My initial reaction was "what does trustable filemode nor trust_executable_bit has anything to do with ctime". Please explain.

You know, you have a good point... (and I'm sometimes really stupid) Of course it depends on the underlying filesystem!

The updated patch is untested yet, but should be obviously correct.

BTW, any idea how to check if all callers of ce_match_stat_basic have read the configuration? It is not that essential to have trust_executable_bit set correctly, though. In worst case an index entry will be marked not up-to-date.

 read-cache.c |    2 +-
 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
read-cache.c +1 -1
index a50a851..f2fa0d9 100644
@@ -181,7 +181,7 @@ static int ce_match_stat_basic(struct cache_entry *ce, struct stat *st)
 	}
 	if (ce->ce_mtime != (unsigned int) st->st_mtime)
 		changed |= MTIME_CHANGED;
-	if (ce->ce_ctime != (unsigned int) st->st_ctime)
+	if (trust_executable_bit && ce->ce_ctime != (unsigned int) st->st_ctime)
 		changed |= CTIME_CHANGED;
 
 	if (ce->ce_uid != (unsigned int) st->st_uid ||
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#35 lore raw

git svn throws locale related error when built from source

In reply to Alex Riesen

Hi

I built git 1.5.6.3 manually (no package with 1.5.4+ on gutsy), and I am getting the error below when running 'git svn rebase'.
svn works fine on its own though.
The default locale is set to en_US.UTF-8

svn: error: cannot set LC_ALL locale
svn: error: environment variable LANG is en_US.UTF-8
svn: error: please check that your locale name is correct

I found a workaround that works, but it would be nice to have it work properly.
$> LANG= git svn rebase"

Thanks in advance.
-Anton

#36 lore raw
In reply to Alex Riesen

Hi,

Quoted 1 line · Alex Riesen

For example - Cygwin.

Please enhance: your oneline is too long, and your commit message body too short.

Quoted 2 lines

Can MSys folks please try it? I noticed it when the test t2103-update-index-ignore-missing.sh (the 5th case) started failing.

Since M$' documentation says "This member does not have a meaning for directories." about the member nFileSizeLow of WIN32_FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DATA which we use to implement a sane "lstat()", I think this bug hits MinGW (not MSys) as well.

Ciao,
Dscho

#37 lore raw

Johannes Schindelin, Mon, Jul 21, 2008 20:20:43 +0200:

Quoted 8 lines

Hi,

Quoted 1 line · Alex Riesen

For example - Cygwin.

Please enhance: your oneline is too long, and your commit message body too short.

Well, I'm really not sure. I just found this difference between linux and cygwin (st_stat is 0 for dirs on cygwin). Than I noticed that the routine where I made the change explicitely checks for st_size not being 0. I must admit I can't make much out of comment, and hope this discussion will help to clear the check up.

Quoted 7 lines
Quoted 2 lines

Can MSys folks please try it? I noticed it when the test t2103-update-index-ignore-missing.sh (the 5th case) started failing.

Since M$' documentation says "This member does not have a meaning for directories." about the member nFileSizeLow of WIN32_FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DATA which we use to implement a sane "lstat()", I think this bug hits MinGW (not MSys) as well.

Could you, just for completeness, try? I don't have mingw at hand and SUSv3 (http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/toc.htm)
does not tells much too. No UNIX system I know about has it 0 for directories.

#38 lore raw
Quoted 7 lines · Alex Riesen

Johannes Schindelin, Mon, Jul 21, 2008 20:20:43 +0200:

Quoted 6 lines

Hi,

Quoted 1 line · Alex Riesen

For example - Cygwin.

Quoted 8 lines
Quoted 2 lines

Please enhance: your oneline is too long, and your commit message body too short.

Well, I'm really not sure. I just found this difference between linux and cygwin (st_stat is 0 for dirs on cygwin). Than I noticed that the routine where I made the change explicitely checks for st_size not being 0. I must admit I can't make much out of comment, and hope this discussion will help to clear the check up.

The cached stat information in the index is used to speed up comparison between "the last staged data" and what is in the working tree. ie_match_stat() compares ce_xxx fields with the result from lstat(2) we just did, and if there are differences, we take it as a sign that what's in the working tree is different from what we saw when we updated the index entry.

But there is a twist.

Ordinarily, when an entry enteres the index, the hash of the blob contents goes along with the lstat(2) information taken from the file that supplied the contents. However there are some cases we populate the index without lstat(2). update-index --cacheinfo, update-index --index-info are two examples, and when they add index entries, they leave ce_size field to zero. ie_match_stat() will compare that zero ce_size with the size information obtained from the working tree, and declare (falsely) that "what's in the working tree is different -- it can never match, and there is no point trying to re-index to see if they actually match", even though the reason ce_size is zero is *not* because we observed the size of the working tree file *was* zero when we indexed it the last time (it is zero merely because we haven't looked at it yet). The ce_modified_check_fs() call is there to deal with this "we cannot trust the ce_xxx fields" case.

I however have to wonder if you also need to touch the end of ce_match_stat_basic() that checks for zero sized cache entry.

#39 lore raw

Junio C Hamano, Tue, Jul 22, 2008 10:07:49 +0200:

Quoted 2 lines

I however have to wonder if you also need to touch the end of ce_match_stat_basic() that checks for zero sized cache entry.

I frankly don't know.

#40 lore raw
In reply to Alex Riesen

Hi,

Quoted 7 lines · Alex Riesen

Johannes Schindelin, Mon, Jul 21, 2008 20:20:43 +0200:

Quoted 5 lines
Quoted 2 lines · Alex

Can MSys folks please try it? I noticed it when the test t2103-update-index-ignore-missing.sh (the 5th case) started failing.

Quoted 6 lines
Quoted 4 lines

Since M$' documentation says "This member does not have a meaning for directories." about the member nFileSizeLow of WIN32_FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DATA which we use to implement a sane "lstat()", I think this bug hits MinGW (not MSys) as well.

Could you, just for completeness, try?

No, I cannot. I have no Windows machine.

Ciao,
Dscho