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PATCH 1/1 mm: Export split_page().

The split_page() function will be very useful for balloon drivers. On Hyper-V, it will be very efficient to use 2M allocations in the guest as this (a) makes the ballooning protocol with the host that much more efficient and (b) moving memory in 2M chunks minimizes fragmentation in the host. Export the split_page() function to let the guest allocations be in 2M chunks while the host is free to return this memory at arbitrary granularity.

---
 mm/page_alloc.c |    1 +
 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
mm/page_alloc.c +1 -0
index 6cacfee..7e0ead6 100644
@@ -1404,6 +1404,7 @@ void split_page(struct page *page, unsigned int order)
 	for (i = 1; i < (1 << order); i++)
 		set_page_refcounted(page + i);
 }
+EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(split_page);
 
 static int __isolate_free_page(struct page *page, unsigned int order)
 {
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Quoted 18 lines · K. Y. Srinivasan

The split_page() function will be very useful for balloon drivers. On Hyper-V, it will be very efficient to use 2M allocations in the guest as this (a) makes the ballooning protocol with the host that much more efficient and (b) moving memory in 2M chunks minimizes fragmentation in the host. Export the split_page() function to let the guest allocations be in 2M chunks while the host is free to return this memory at arbitrary granularity.

---
 mm/page_alloc.c |    1 +
 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
mm/page_alloc.c +0 -0
index 6cacfee..7e0ead6 100644

mm/page_alloc.c void split_page(struct page *page, unsigned int order) · line 1407

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mm/page_alloc.c +1 -0
@@ -1404,6 +1404,7 @@ void split_page(struct page *page, unsigned int order)
 	for (i = 1; i < (1 << order); i++)
 		set_page_refcounted(page + i);
 }
+EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(split_page);

When you export a symbol, you also need to post the code that is going to use that symbol, otherwise people don't really know how to judge this request.

Can you just make this a part of your balloon driver update patch series instead?

thanks,

greg k-h

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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg KH [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 9:08 PM
To: KY Srinivasan
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; linux- [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: Export split_page().

Quoted 4 lines · K. Y. Srinivasan

The split_page() function will be very useful for balloon drivers. On Hyper-V, it will be very efficient to use 2M allocations in the guest as this (a) makes the ballooning protocol with the host that much more efficient and (b) moving memory in 2M chunks minimizes fragmentation in the host. Export the

split_page()

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function to let the guest allocations be in 2M chunks while the host is free to return this memory at arbitrary granularity.

---
 mm/page_alloc.c |    1 +
 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
mm/page_alloc.c +0 -0
index 6cacfee..7e0ead6 100644

mm/page_alloc.c void split_page(struct page *page, unsigned int order) · line 1407

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mm/page_alloc.c +1 -0
@@ -1404,6 +1404,7 @@ void split_page(struct page *page, unsigned int order)
 	for (i = 1; i < (1 << order); i++)
 		set_page_refcounted(page + i);
 }
+EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(split_page);

When you export a symbol, you also need to post the code that is going to use that symbol, otherwise people don't really know how to judge this request.

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Can you just make this a part of your balloon driver update patch series instead?

Fair enough; I was hoping to see how inclined the mm folks were with regards to exporting this symbol before I went ahead and modified the balloon driver code to leverage this. Looking at the Windows guests on Hyper-V, I am convinced 2M balloon allocations in the Linux (Hyper-V) balloon driver will make significant difference. As you suggest, I will post this patch as part of the balloon driver changes that use this exported symbol. I am still hoping to get some feedback from the mm guys on this.

Regards,

K. Y

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Quoted 43 lines · KY Srinivasan
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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg KH [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 9:08 PM
To: KY Srinivasan
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; linux- [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: Export split_page().

Quoted 4 lines · K. Y. Srinivasan

The split_page() function will be very useful for balloon drivers. On Hyper-V, it will be very efficient to use 2M allocations in the guest as this (a) makes the ballooning protocol with the host that much more efficient and (b) moving memory in 2M chunks minimizes fragmentation in the host. Export the

split_page()

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function to let the guest allocations be in 2M chunks while the host is free to return this memory at arbitrary granularity.

---
 mm/page_alloc.c |    1 +
 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
mm/page_alloc.c +0 -0
index 6cacfee..7e0ead6 100644

mm/page_alloc.c void split_page(struct page *page, unsigned int order) · line 1407

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mm/page_alloc.c +1 -0
@@ -1404,6 +1404,7 @@ void split_page(struct page *page, unsigned int order)
 	for (i = 1; i < (1 << order); i++)
 		set_page_refcounted(page + i);
 }
+EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(split_page);

When you export a symbol, you also need to post the code that is going to use that symbol, otherwise people don't really know how to judge this request.

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Can you just make this a part of your balloon driver update patch series instead?

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Fair enough; I was hoping to see how inclined the mm folks were with regards to exporting this symbol before I went ahead and modified the balloon driver code to leverage this. Looking at the Windows guests on Hyper-V, I am convinced 2M balloon allocations in the Linux (Hyper-V) balloon driver will make significant difference. As you suggest, I will post this patch as part of the balloon driver changes that use this exported symbol. I am still hoping to get some feedback from the mm guys on this.

I guess the most obvious question about exporting this symbol is, "Why doesn't any of the other hypervisor balloon drivers need this? What is so special about hyper-v?"

Or can those other drivers also need/use it as well, and they were just too chicken to be asking for the export? :)

thanks,

greg k-h

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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg KH [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 9:25 PM
To: KY Srinivasan
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; linux- [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: Export split_page().

Quoted 7 lines · KY Srinivasan
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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg KH [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 9:08 PM
To: KY Srinivasan
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected];

[email protected];

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[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; linux- [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: Export split_page().

Quoted 3 lines · K. Y. Srinivasan

The split_page() function will be very useful for balloon drivers. On Hyper-V, it will be very efficient to use 2M allocations in the guest as this (a) makes the ballooning protocol with the host that much more efficient and (b)

moving

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memory in 2M chunks minimizes fragmentation in the host. Export the

split_page()

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function to let the guest allocations be in 2M chunks while the host is free to return this memory at arbitrary granularity.

---
 mm/page_alloc.c |    1 +
 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
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mm/page_alloc.c void split_page(struct page *page, unsigned int

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mm/page_alloc.c +0 -0
index 6cacfee..7e0ead6 100644
@@ -1404,6 +1404,7 @@ void split_page(struct page *page, unsigned int

order)

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mm/page_alloc.c +1 -0
 	for (i = 1; i < (1 << order); i++)
 		set_page_refcounted(page + i);
 }
+EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(split_page);
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When you export a symbol, you also need to post the code that is going to use that symbol, otherwise people don't really know how to judge this request.

Can you just make this a part of your balloon driver update patch series instead?

Fair enough; I was hoping to see how inclined the mm folks were with regards

to

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exporting this symbol before I went ahead and modified the balloon driver

code to

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leverage this. Looking at the Windows guests on Hyper-V, I am convinced 2M

balloon

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allocations in the Linux (Hyper-V) balloon driver will make significant difference.

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As you

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suggest, I will post this patch as part of the balloon driver changes that use this

exported

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symbol. I am still hoping to get some feedback from the mm guys on this.

I guess the most obvious question about exporting this symbol is, "Why doesn't any of the other hypervisor balloon drivers need this? What is so special about hyper-v?"

The balloon protocol that Hyper-V has specified is designed around the ability to move 2M pages. While the protocol can handle 4k allocations, it is going to be very chatty with 4K allocations. Furthermore, the Memory Balancer on the host is also designed to work best with memory moving around in 2M chunks. While I have not seen the code on the Windows host that does this memory balancing, looking at how Windows guests behave in this environment, (relative to Linux) I have to assume that the 2M allocations that Windows guests do are a big part of the difference we see.

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Or can those other drivers also need/use it as well, and they were just too chicken to be asking for the export? :)

The 2M balloon allocations would make sense if the host is designed accordingly.

Regards,

K. Y

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Quoted 7 lines · KY Srinivasan
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I guess the most obvious question about exporting this symbol is, "Why doesn't any of the other hypervisor balloon drivers need this? What is so special about hyper-v?"

The balloon protocol that Hyper-V has specified is designed around the ability to move 2M pages. While the protocol can handle 4k allocations, it is going to be very chatty with 4K allocations.

What does "very chatty" mean? Do you think that there will be a noticeable performance difference ballooning 2M pages vs 4k?

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Furthermore, the Memory Balancer on the host is also designed to work
best with memory moving around in 2M chunks. While I have not seen the code on the Windows host that does this memory balancing, looking at how Windows guests behave in this environment, (relative to Linux) I have to assume that the 2M allocations that Windows guests do are a big part of the difference we see.

You've been talking about differences. Could you elaborate on what the differences in behavior are that you are trying to rectify here?

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Or can those other drivers also need/use it as well, and they were just too chicken to be asking for the export? :)

The 2M balloon allocations would make sense if the host is designed accordingly.

How does the guest decide which size pages to allocate? It seems like a relatively bad idea to be inflating the balloon with 2M pages from the guest in the case where the guest is under memory pressure _and_ fragmented.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Hansen [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:06 PM
To: KY Srinivasan
Cc: Greg KH; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; akpm@linux- foundation.org; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: Export split_page().

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I guess the most obvious question about exporting this symbol is, "Why doesn't any of the other hypervisor balloon drivers need this? What is so special about hyper-v?"

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The balloon protocol that Hyper-V has specified is designed around the ability

to

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move 2M pages. While the protocol can handle 4k allocations, it is going to be

very chatty

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with 4K allocations.

What does "very chatty" mean? Do you think that there will be a noticeable performance difference ballooning 2M pages vs 4k?

The balloon protocol that Hyper-V host specified allows you to specify page ranges - start_pfn: num_pfn. With 2M pages the number of messages that need to be exchanges is significantly fewer than with 4K page allocations.

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Furthermore, the Memory Balancer on the host is also designed to work best with memory moving around in 2M chunks. While I have not seen the

code on the Windows

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host that does this memory balancing, looking at how Windows guests behave

in this environment,

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(relative to Linux) I have to assume that the 2M allocations that Windows

guests do are a big part of

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the difference we see.

You've been talking about differences. Could you elaborate on what the differences in behavior are that you are trying to rectify here?

As I look at how smoothly memory is balanced on Windows guests with changing load conditions in the guest relative to what I see with Linux, I see Linux taking more time to reach the steady state during a balancing operation. I will experiment with 2M allocations and report if this issue is addressed.

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Or can those other drivers also need/use it as well, and they were just too chicken to be asking for the export? :)

The 2M balloon allocations would make sense if the host is designed

accordingly.

How does the guest decide which size pages to allocate? It seems like a relatively bad idea to be inflating the balloon with 2M pages from the guest in the case where the guest is under memory pressure _and_ fragmented.

I want to start with 2M allocations and if they fail, fall back onto lower order allocations. As I said, the host can support 4K allocations and that will be the final fallback position (that is what I have currently implemented). If the guest memory is fragmented, then obviously we will go in for lower order allocations.

Regards,

K. Y