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v3.13 In review Joseph Salisbury 9 participants 41 messages Mar 14, 2014 – Jun 3, 2014

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#0 lore raw

Hi Tetsuo,

A kernel bug report was opened against Ubuntu[0]. We performed a kernel bisect, and found that reverting the following commit resolved this bug:

commit 786235eeba0e1e85e5cbbb9f97d1087ad03dfa21

Author: Tetsuo Handa <[email protected]>
Date:   Tue Nov 12 15:06:45 2013 -0800

kthread: make kthread_create() killable

The regression was introduced as of v3.13-rc1.

The bug indicates an issue with the SAS controller during initialization, which prevents the system from booting. Additional details are available in the bug report or on request.

I was hoping to get your feedback, since you are the patch author. Do you think gathering any additional data will help diagnose this issue, or would it be best to submit a revert request?

Thanks,

Joe

[0] http://pad.lv/1276705

#1 lore raw
Quoted 2 lines · Joseph Salisbury

A kernel bug report was opened against Ubuntu[0]. We performed a kernel bisect, and found that reverting the following commit resolved this bug:

I added a comment to that bug report.

This commit by chance revealed incorrect error handling of mptsas_probe() or mptscsih_remove().

#2 lore raw

Hello.

Although the process who is sending SIGKILL to systemd-udevd is not identified yet, adding wait_for_completion_timeout() can solve this regression. Therefore, I'd like to propose this patch for 3.14-final and 3.13-stable.

Regards.
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From c6562e5d774dd1f36724197dbcb8976cccfaab53 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001

From: Tetsuo Handa <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 22:44:23 +0900
Subject: [PATCH] kthread: Do not leave kthread_create() immediately upon SIGKILL.

Commit 786235ee "kthread: make kthread_create() killable" changed to leave kthread_create() as soon as receiving SIGKILL. But this change caused boot failures if systemd-udevd received SIGKILL (probably due to timeout) while loading SCSI controller drivers using finit_module() [1].

Therefore, this patch changes kthread_create() to wait for 10 more seconds after receiving SIGKILL, unless chosen by the OOM killer, in order to give the kthreadd a chance to complete the request.

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1276705

---
 kernel/kthread.c |   12 ++++++++++++
 1 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
kernel/kthread.c +12 -0
index b5ae3ee..52ae7dc 100644
@@ -292,6 +292,17 @@ struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data),
 	 * new kernel thread.
 	 */
 	if (unlikely(wait_for_completion_killable(&done))) {
+		int i = 0;
+
+		/*
+		 * I got SIGKILL, but wait for 10 more seconds for completion
+		 * unless chosen by the OOM killer. This delay is there as a
+		 * workaround for boot failure caused by SIGKILL upon device
+		 * driver initialization timeout.
+		 */
+		while (i++ < 10 && !test_tsk_thread_flag(current, TIF_MEMDIE))
+			if (wait_for_completion_timeout(&done, HZ))
+				goto ready;
 		/*
 		 * If I was SIGKILLed before kthreadd (or new kernel thread)
 		 * calls complete(), leave the cleanup of this structure to
@@ -305,6 +316,7 @@ struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data),
 		 */
 		wait_for_completion(&done);
 	}
+ready:
 	task = create->result;
 	if (!IS_ERR(task)) {
 		static const struct sched_param param = { .sched_priority = 0 };
Signature · 1 line
1.7.1
#3 lore raw
Quoted 3 lines · Tetsuo Handa

Therefore, I'd like to propose this patch for 3.14-final and 3.13-stable.

Well, I disagree. To me, the patch tries to fix the problem in the wrong place,

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Commit 786235ee "kthread: make kthread_create() killable" changed to leave kthread_create() as soon as receiving SIGKILL. But this change caused boot failures if systemd-udevd received SIGKILL (probably due to timeout) while loading SCSI controller drivers using finit_module() [1].

Shouldn't we fix the caller instead? It should handle the error from kthread_create() correctly.

And could you tell who is the caller which doesn't do this? If it can't be fixed, then, say, it can use workqueue to create a kernel thread.

Quoted 5 lines
kernel/kthread.c +1 -0
@@ -292,6 +292,17 @@ struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data),
 	 * new kernel thread.
 	 */
 	if (unlikely(wait_for_completion_killable(&done))) {
+		int i = 0;

kernel/kthread.c struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data), · line 305

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kernel/kthread.c +10 -0
+
+		/*
+		 * I got SIGKILL, but wait for 10 more seconds for completion
+		 * unless chosen by the OOM killer. This delay is there as a
+		 * workaround for boot failure caused by SIGKILL upon device
+		 * driver initialization timeout.
+		 */
+		while (i++ < 10 && !test_tsk_thread_flag(current, TIF_MEMDIE))
+			if (wait_for_completion_timeout(&done, HZ))
+				goto ready;

Personally I really dislike this hack. And btw, why we return -ENOMEM if SIGKILL'ed? Why not EINTR ?

If nothing else we can change the caller to do

	for (;;) {
		kthread = kthread_create(...);
		if (!IS_ERR(kthread) || PTR_ERR(kthread) != -EINTR)
			break;
		// FIXME, I am stupid and can't handle SIGKILL properly
		clear_thread_flag(TIF_SIGPENDING);
	}
	recalc_sigpending();

Oleg.

#4 lore raw

Re: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression] kthread: make kthread_create()killable

Quoted 10 lines · Oleg Nesterov
Quoted 10 lines
kernel/kthread.c +6 -0
@@ -292,6 +292,17 @@ struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data),
 	 * new kernel thread.
 	 */
 	if (unlikely(wait_for_completion_killable(&done))) {
+		int i = 0;
+
+		/*
+		 * I got SIGKILL, but wait for 10 more seconds for completion
+		 * unless chosen by the OOM killer. This delay is there as a
+		 * workaround for boot failure caused by SIGKILL upon device
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kernel/kthread.c struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data), · line 305

Quoted 5 lines
kernel/kthread.c +5 -0
+		 * driver initialization timeout.
+		 */
+		while (i++ < 10 && !test_tsk_thread_flag(current, TIF_MEMDIE))
+			if (wait_for_completion_timeout(&done, HZ))
+				goto ready;

Personally I really dislike this hack. And btw, why we return -ENOMEM if SIGKILL'ed? Why not EINTR ?

I chose -ENOMEM because -ENOMEM looked better for conveying that current thread was SIGKILLed by the OOM killer in order to solve no memory state. But I forgot that -ENOMEM will not convey the reason properly if current thread was SIGKILLed by other than the OOM killer. Maybe

  return test_tsk_thread_flag(current, TIF_MEMDIE) ? -ENOMEM : -EINTR;

rather than

return -ENOMEM;

?

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Commit 786235ee "kthread: make kthread_create() killable" changed to leave kthread_create() as soon as receiving SIGKILL. But this change caused boot failures if systemd-udevd received SIGKILL (probably due to timeout) while loading SCSI controller drivers using finit_module() [1].

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Shouldn't we fix the caller instead? It should handle the error from kthread_create() correctly.

And could you tell who is the caller which doesn't do this? If it can't be fixed, then, say, it can use workqueue to create a kernel thread.

There are many callers. One of them is scsi_host_alloc() which is called upon bootup in order to recognize SCSI storage devices.

To my surprise, systemd-udevd process sends SIGKILL to worker systemd-udevd processes if they did not complete their jobs within 30 seconds. On some machines, it takes more than 30 seconds to recognize SCSI storage devices.

On such machines, scsi_host_alloc() is called after the worker process received SIGKILL. Since commit 786235ee "kthread: make kthread_create() killable" broke all callers of kthread_create() who had been able to survive SIGKILL, I think fixing this regression at kthread_create() is the appropriate response.

Given that said, which one do we prefer?

(a) Wait for completion forever after receiving SIGKILL, unless chosen by the OOM killer.

(b) Wait for completion for only limited duration after receiving SIGKILL.

This patch is (b) which waits for only 10 seconds after receiving SIGKILL.
(a) will change "kthread: make kthread_create() killable" to "kthread: allow the OOM-killer to kill kthread_create()".

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Re: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression] kthread: make kthread_create()killable

Quoted 11 lines · Tetsuo Handa
Quoted 3 lines · Oleg Nesterov

Personally I really dislike this hack. And btw, why we return -ENOMEM if SIGKILL'ed? Why not EINTR ?

I chose -ENOMEM because -ENOMEM looked better for conveying that current thread was SIGKILLed by the OOM killer in order to solve no memory state. But I forgot that -ENOMEM will not convey the reason properly if current thread was SIGKILLed by other than the OOM killer. Maybe

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  return test_tsk_thread_flag(current, TIF_MEMDIE) ? -ENOMEM : -EINTR;

rather than

return -ENOMEM;

Why complicate the things? Following this logic you can change you can change almost every user of, say, fatal_signal_pending() to take TIF_MEMDIE into account. For what? Just return -EINTR.

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Commit 786235ee "kthread: make kthread_create() killable" changed to leave kthread_create() as soon as receiving SIGKILL. But this change caused boot failures if systemd-udevd received SIGKILL (probably due to timeout) while loading SCSI controller drivers using finit_module() [1].

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Shouldn't we fix the caller instead? It should handle the error from kthread_create() correctly.

And could you tell who is the caller which doesn't do this? If it can't be fixed, then, say, it can use workqueue to create a kernel thread.

There are many callers.

Who else? I mean, who else doesn't handle SIGKILL correctly ?

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One of them is scsi_host_alloc() which is called upon bootup in order to recognize SCSI storage devices.

To my surprise, systemd-udevd process sends SIGKILL to worker systemd-udevd processes if they did not complete their jobs within 30 seconds. On some machines, it takes more than 30 seconds to recognize SCSI storage devices.

On such machines, scsi_host_alloc() is called after the worker process received SIGKILL. Since commit 786235ee "kthread: make kthread_create() killable" broke all callers of kthread_create() who had been able to survive SIGKILL,

Well. I do not know if user-space should be blamed or not. But. The worker process was killed, the kernel has all rights to check signal_pending() at any moment and return to user-mode. Even if we change kthread_create() to ignore SIGKILL it still can fail.

And probably there is a bug in the driver. IIUC, the probe hangs, the task is killed after 30 seconds, I'd say it should not even call scsi_host_alloc() in this case.

Lets look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1276705
I do not understand what happens and I know nothing about drivers, scsci, but https://launchpadlibrarian.net/165067008/console.log shows

	[   36.539955] scsi4: error handler thread failed to spawn, error = -12

OK, scsi_host_alloc() fails. But it can fail due to another reason,

	[   36.552694] mptsas: ioc0: WARNING - Unable to register controller with SCSI subsystem

mptsas_probe() goes to out_mptsas_probe,

	[   36.569962] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000060
	[   36.573954] IP: [<ffffffff8170fe52>] mutex_lock+0x12/0x2f
	[   36.573954] PGD 368dd067 PUD 368de067 PMD 0
	[   36.573954] Oops: 0002 [#1] SMP
	[   36.573954] Modules linked in: tg3 hid_generic ptp usbhid mptsas(+) mptscsih hid mptbase pps_core scsi_transport_sas
	[   36.573954] CPU: 1 PID: 130 Comm: systemd-udevd Not tainted 3.13.0-6-generic #23-Ubuntu
	[   36.573954] Hardware name: Dell Inc. PowerEdge R300/0TY179, BIOS 1.5.2 11/02/2010
	[   36.573954] task: ffff88003689b000 ti: ffff8800368e8000 task.ti: ffff8800368e8000
	[   36.573954] RIP: 0010:[<ffffffff8170fe52>]  [<ffffffff8170fe52>] mutex_lock+0x12/0x2f
	[   36.573954] RSP: 0018:ffff8800368e9b10  EFLAGS: 00010246
	[   36.573954] RAX: 0000000000000000 RBX: 0000000000000060 RCX: 0000000000000dac
	[   36.573954] RDX: 000000000000229c RSI: 00000000229e229c RDI: 0000000000000060
	[   36.573954] RBP: ffff8800368e9b18 R08: 0000000000000086 R09: 00000000000002ac
	[   36.573954] R10: ffffffff8185a460 R11: ffff8800368e98ae R12: 0000000000000060
	[   36.573954] R13: ffff880223c4b000 R14: ffff880223c4b098 R15: ffffffffa00953a0
	[   36.573954] FS:  00007f22a26a1880(0000) GS:ffff88022fc80000(0000) knlGS:0000000000000000
	[   36.573954] CS:  0010 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 000000008005003b
	[   36.573954] CR2: 0000000000000060 CR3: 00000000368dc000 CR4: 00000000000407e0
	[   36.573954] Stack:
	[   36.573954]  0000000000000000 ffff8800368e9b40 ffffffff814c851d ffff880220153000
	[   36.573954]  0000000000000000 ffff880223c4b000 ffff8800368e9b70 ffffffffa007d2a1
	[   36.573954]  ffff880220153000 00000000ffffffff ffff880223c4b000 ffff880223c4b098
	[   36.573954] Call Trace:
	[   36.573954]  [<ffffffff814c851d>] scsi_remove_host+0x1d/0x120
	[   36.573954]  [<ffffffffa007d2a1>] mptscsih_remove+0x31/0xc0 [mptscsih]
	[   36.573954]  [<ffffffffa008f259>] mptsas_probe+0x419/0x5a0 [mptsas]

and why the error path should OOPS? I think this should be fixed?

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I think fixing this regression at kthread_create() is the appropriate response.

I still can't understand why do you think we should "fix" kthread_create().

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Given that said, which one do we prefer?

(a) Wait for completion forever after receiving SIGKILL, unless chosen by the OOM killer.

(b) Wait for completion for only limited duration after receiving SIGKILL.

Personally I dislike both. It should either react to SIGKILL or not, in the latter case it would be better to revert this patch, imho.

If we need the urgent hack to fix the regression, then I suggest to change scsi_host_alloc() temporary until mptsas (or whatever) is fixed.

Oleg.

drivers/scsi/hosts.c +12 -2
@@ -447,8 +447,18 @@ struct Scsi_Host *scsi_host_alloc(struct
 	dev_set_name(&shost->shost_dev, "host%d", shost->host_no);
 	shost->shost_dev.groups = scsi_sysfs_shost_attr_groups;
 
-	shost->ehandler = kthread_run(scsi_error_handler, shost,
-			"scsi_eh_%d", shost->host_no);
+	/*
+	 * HUGE COMMENT. and kthread_create() needs s/ENOMEM/EINTR/.
+	 */
+	for (;;) {
+		shost->ehandler = kthread_run(scsi_error_handler, shost,
+						"scsi_eh_%d", shost->host_no);
+		if (!IS_ERR(shost->ehandler) || PTR_ERR(shost->ehandler) != -EINTR)
+			break;
+		clear_thread_flag(TIF_SIGPENDING);
+	}
+	recalc_sigpending();
+
 	if (IS_ERR(shost->ehandler)) {
 		printk(KERN_WARNING "scsi%d: error handler thread failed to spawn, error = %ld\n",
 			shost->host_no, PTR_ERR(shost->ehandler));
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Re: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression] kthread: makekthread_create()killable

Quoted 2 lines · Oleg Nesterov

If we need the urgent hack to fix the regression, then I suggest to change scsi_host_alloc() temporary until mptsas (or whatever) is fixed.

Device initialization taking longer than 30 seconds is possible and is not a hang up. It is systemd which needs to be fixed.

Quoted 15 lines
drivers/scsi/hosts.c +5 -2
@@ -447,8 +447,18 @@ struct Scsi_Host *scsi_host_alloc(struct
 	dev_set_name(&shost->shost_dev, "host%d", shost->host_no);
 	shost->shost_dev.groups = scsi_sysfs_shost_attr_groups;
 
-	shost->ehandler = kthread_run(scsi_error_handler, shost,
-			"scsi_eh_%d", shost->host_no);
+	/*
+	 * HUGE COMMENT. and kthread_create() needs s/ENOMEM/EINTR/.
+	 */
+	for (;;) {
+		shost->ehandler = kthread_run(scsi_error_handler, shost,

drivers/scsi/hosts.c struct Scsi_Host *scsi_host_alloc(struct · line 464

Quoted 10 lines
drivers/scsi/hosts.c +7 -0
+						"scsi_eh_%d", shost->host_no);
+		if (!IS_ERR(shost->ehandler) || PTR_ERR(shost->ehandler) != -EINTR)
+			break;
+		clear_thread_flag(TIF_SIGPENDING);
+	}
+	recalc_sigpending();
+
 	if (IS_ERR(shost->ehandler)) {
 		printk(KERN_WARNING "scsi%d: error handler thread failed to spawn, error = %ld\n",
 			shost->host_no, PTR_ERR(shost->ehandler));

I think we need a bit different version, in order to take TIF_MEMDIE flag into account at the caller of kthread_create(), for the purpose of commit 786235ee is "try to die as soon as possible if chosen by the OOM killer".

	for (;;) {
		shost->ehandler = kthread_run(scsi_error_handler, shost,
					      "scsi_eh_%d", shost->host_no);
		if (PTR_ERR(shost->ehandler) != -EINTR ||
		    test_thread_flag(TIF_MEMDIE))
			break;
		clear_thread_flag(TIF_SIGPENDING);
	}
	recalc_sigpending();

But I have two worrying points.

(1) Changing return code from -ENOMEM to -EINTR may not be sufficient.

If kmalloc(GFP_KERNEL) in kthread_create_on_node() does something that calls recalc_sigpending(), TIF_SIGPENDING will be set on the second call to kthread_run(). This will make wait_for_completion_killable() return -EINTR immediately because the second call to kthread_run() happens only when current thread already received SIGKILL (by other than the OOM killer). This may form an infinite busy loop.

As I think it is difficult to prove that kmalloc(GFP_KERNEL) never sets TIF_SIGPENDING flag, we would need to call clear_thread_flag(TIF_SIGPENDING) immediately before wait_for_completion_killable() and call recalc_sigpending() immediately after wait_for_completion_killable(). Is this better than taking care of SIGKILL (by other than the OOM killer) on the first call to kthread_run() ?

(2) I don't like scattering around test_thread_flag(TIF_MEMDIE), for there might be other drivers who receive SIGKILL by systemd's 30 seconds timeout.

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Re: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression] kthread: makekthread_create()killable

Quoted 7 lines · Tetsuo Handa
Quoted 2 lines · Oleg Nesterov

If we need the urgent hack to fix the regression, then I suggest to change scsi_host_alloc() temporary until mptsas (or whatever) is fixed.

Device initialization taking longer than 30 seconds is possible and is not a hang up. It is systemd which needs to be fixed.

Perhaps systemd needs the fix too, I do not know. But this is irrelevant, I think. Or at least this should be discussed separately.

kthread_run() can fail anyway, mptsas_probe() should not crash the kernel.

And btw, it is not clear to me if in this case device initialization really needs more than 30 seconds... My understanding is probably wrong, so please correct me. But it seems that before your "make kthread_create() killable"

- probe hangs

- SIGKILL wakes it up

- so I assume that the probe was interrupted and didn't finish correctly ???

- initialization continues, does scsi_host_alloc(), etc, and everything works fine even if probe was interrupted?

So perhaps that probe should not hang and this should be fixed too ? Do you know where exactly it hangs? And where it is woken up by SIGKILL ? Or I totally misunderstood ?

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drivers/scsi/hosts.c +5 -2
@@ -447,8 +447,18 @@ struct Scsi_Host *scsi_host_alloc(struct
 	dev_set_name(&shost->shost_dev, "host%d", shost->host_no);
 	shost->shost_dev.groups = scsi_sysfs_shost_attr_groups;
 
-	shost->ehandler = kthread_run(scsi_error_handler, shost,
-			"scsi_eh_%d", shost->host_no);
+	/*
+	 * HUGE COMMENT. and kthread_create() needs s/ENOMEM/EINTR/.
+	 */
+	for (;;) {
+		shost->ehandler = kthread_run(scsi_error_handler, shost,

drivers/scsi/hosts.c struct Scsi_Host *scsi_host_alloc(struct · line 464

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drivers/scsi/hosts.c +7 -0
+						"scsi_eh_%d", shost->host_no);
+		if (!IS_ERR(shost->ehandler) || PTR_ERR(shost->ehandler) != -EINTR)
+			break;
+		clear_thread_flag(TIF_SIGPENDING);
+	}
+	recalc_sigpending();
+
 	if (IS_ERR(shost->ehandler)) {
 		printk(KERN_WARNING "scsi%d: error handler thread failed to spawn, error = %ld\n",
 			shost->host_no, PTR_ERR(shost->ehandler));

I think we need a bit different version, in order to take TIF_MEMDIE flag into account at the caller of kthread_create(), for the purpose of commit 786235ee is "try to die as soon as possible if chosen by the OOM killer".

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	for (;;) {
		shost->ehandler = kthread_run(scsi_error_handler, shost,
					      "scsi_eh_%d", shost->host_no);
		if (PTR_ERR(shost->ehandler) != -EINTR ||
		    test_thread_flag(TIF_MEMDIE))

Well, personally I do not care about TIF_MEMDIE/oom at all. We need the temporary hack (unless we have the "right" fix right now) which should be reverted later.

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(1) Changing return code from -ENOMEM to -EINTR may not be sufficient.

You mean, in kthread_create() ? And, sufficient for what?

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If kmalloc(GFP_KERNEL) in kthread_create_on_node() does something that calls recalc_sigpending(),

firstly, it should not. And almost every caller of recalc_sigpending() outside of core signal code is wrong.

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TIF_SIGPENDING will be set on the second call
to kthread_run(). This will make wait_for_completion_killable() return -EINTR immediately because the second call to kthread_run() happens only when current thread already received SIGKILL (by other than the OOM killer). This may form an infinite busy loop.

Not sure I understand... Yes, wait_for_completion_killable() can return immediately if TIF_SIGPENDING will be set again for any reason. Say, another signal. But the next iteration will clear TIF_SIGPENDING ?

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As I think it is difficult to prove that kmalloc(GFP_KERNEL) never sets TIF_SIGPENDING flag

Ah, I see, you mean that kmalloc() can do this every time. No, this should not happen or we have another problem.

In any case. My only point is that the regression should be fixed here, imho. And just in case, let me repeat that the code above is the dirty temporary hack. I won't insist on the ugly TIF_SIGPENDING games, say, we can use workqueue.

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(2) I don't like scattering around test_thread_flag(TIF_MEMDIE), might be other drivers who receive SIGKILL by systemd's 30 seconds timeout.

Can't understand this part too... and it was you who suggested to check TIF_MEMDIE.

Anyway. I agree with any hack in scsi_host_alloc/etc, this is up to maintainers. I still think that your change uncovered the problems in drivers/message/fusion/, these problems should be fixed somehow.

Dear maintainers, we need your help.

Oleg.

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Re: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression] kthread:makekthread_create()killable

Quoted 8 lines · Oleg Nesterov
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If we need the urgent hack to fix the regression, then I suggest to change scsi_host_alloc() temporary until mptsas (or whatever) is fixed.

Device initialization taking longer than 30 seconds is possible and is not a hang up. It is systemd which needs to be fixed.

Perhaps systemd needs the fix too, I do not know. But this is irrelevant, I think. Or at least this should be discussed separately.

I confirmed that this problem goes away if systemd-udevd supports longer timeout.

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kthread_run() can fail anyway, mptsas_probe() should not crash the kernel.

Right. But mptsas_probe() triggering an OOPS is irrelevant to kthread_run() ( comment #27 ).

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And btw, it is not clear to me if in this case device initialization really needs more than 30 seconds... My understanding is probably wrong, so please correct me. But it seems that before your "make kthread_create() killable"

- probe hangs

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- SIGKILL wakes it up

- so I assume that the probe was interrupted and didn't finish correctly ???

- initialization continues, does scsi_host_alloc(), etc, and everything works fine even if probe was interrupted?

I confirmed that device initialization really took more than 30 seconds ( comments #51 and #52 ).

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So perhaps that probe should not hang and this should be fixed too ? Do you know where exactly it hangs? And where it is woken up by SIGKILL ? Or I totally misunderstood ?

The probe did not hang. SIGKILL affected only wait_for_completion_killable() in kthread_create_on_node() called by mptsas_probe() via scsi_host_alloc(). Thus, the probe was interrupted because kthread_run() returned an error.

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I think we need a bit different version, in order to take TIF_MEMDIE flag into account at the caller of kthread_create(), for the purpose of commit 786235ee is "try to die as soon as possible if chosen by the OOM killer".

	for (;;) {
		shost->ehandler = kthread_run(scsi_error_handler, shost,
					      "scsi_eh_%d", shost->host_no);
		if (PTR_ERR(shost->ehandler) != -EINTR ||
		    test_thread_flag(TIF_MEMDIE))
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Well, personally I do not care about TIF_MEMDIE/oom at all. We need the temporary hack (unless we have the "right" fix right now) which should be reverted later.

I do seriously care about TIF_MEMDIE/oom. Last week I respond to a trouble which hit "kernel: request_module() OOM local DoS" (RHBZ #853474) without any malice.

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Not sure I understand... Yes, wait_for_completion_killable() can return immediately if TIF_SIGPENDING will be set again for any reason. Say, another signal. But the next iteration will clear TIF_SIGPENDING ?

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As I think it is difficult to prove that kmalloc(GFP_KERNEL) never sets TIF_SIGPENDING flag

Ah, I see, you mean that kmalloc() can do this every time. No, this should not happen or we have another problem.

Then, what happens if somebody does

  while (1)
      kill(pid, SIGKILL);

where pid is the process calling kthread_run() from the "for (;;)" loop in scsi_host_alloc()? Theoretically, it will form an infinite retry loop. Clearing TIF_SIGPENDING does not guarantee that next wait_for_completion_killable() does not return immediately. Doing retry decision at scsi_host_alloc() will make things worse than doing it at kthread_create_on_node().

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Anyway. I agree with any hack in scsi_host_alloc/etc, this is up to maintainers. I still think that your change uncovered the problems in drivers/message/fusion/, these problems should be fixed somehow.

Dear maintainers, we need your help.

Right. We found that we can fix this problem by updating systemd-udevd to support longer timeout ( comment #53 ). Joseph, would you consult systemd maintainers?

#9 lore raw

Re: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression] kthread:makekthread_create()killable

Quoted 78 lines · Tetsuo Handa
Quoted 6 lines · Oleg Nesterov
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If we need the urgent hack to fix the regression, then I suggest to change scsi_host_alloc() temporary until mptsas (or whatever) is fixed.

Device initialization taking longer than 30 seconds is possible and is not a hang up. It is systemd which needs to be fixed.

Perhaps systemd needs the fix too, I do not know. But this is irrelevant, I think. Or at least this should be discussed separately.

I confirmed that this problem goes away if systemd-udevd supports longer timeout.

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kthread_run() can fail anyway, mptsas_probe() should not crash the kernel.

Right. But mptsas_probe() triggering an OOPS is irrelevant to kthread_run() ( comment #27 ).

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And btw, it is not clear to me if in this case device initialization really needs more than 30 seconds... My understanding is probably wrong, so please correct me. But it seems that before your "make kthread_create() killable"

- probe hangs

Quoted 8 lines

- SIGKILL wakes it up

- so I assume that the probe was interrupted and didn't finish correctly ???

- initialization continues, does scsi_host_alloc(), etc, and everything works fine even if probe was interrupted?

I confirmed that device initialization really took more than 30 seconds ( comments #51 and #52 ).

Quoted 3 lines

So perhaps that probe should not hang and this should be fixed too ? Do you know where exactly it hangs? And where it is woken up by SIGKILL ? Or I totally misunderstood ?

The probe did not hang. SIGKILL affected only wait_for_completion_killable() in kthread_create_on_node() called by mptsas_probe() via scsi_host_alloc(). Thus, the probe was interrupted because kthread_run() returned an error.

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I think we need a bit different version, in order to take TIF_MEMDIE flag into account at the caller of kthread_create(), for the purpose of commit 786235ee is "try to die as soon as possible if chosen by the OOM killer".

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	for (;;) {
		shost->ehandler = kthread_run(scsi_error_handler, shost,
					      "scsi_eh_%d", shost->host_no);
		if (PTR_ERR(shost->ehandler) != -EINTR ||
		    test_thread_flag(TIF_MEMDIE))

Well, personally I do not care about TIF_MEMDIE/oom at all. We need the temporary hack (unless we have the "right" fix right now) which should be reverted later.

I do seriously care about TIF_MEMDIE/oom. Last week I respond to a trouble which hit "kernel: request_module() OOM local DoS" (RHBZ #853474) without any malice.

Quoted 8 lines

Not sure I understand... Yes, wait_for_completion_killable() can return immediately if TIF_SIGPENDING will be set again for any reason. Say, another signal. But the next iteration will clear TIF_SIGPENDING ?

Quoted 2 lines

As I think it is difficult to prove that kmalloc(GFP_KERNEL) never sets TIF_SIGPENDING flag

Ah, I see, you mean that kmalloc() can do this every time. No, this should not happen or we have another problem.

Then, what happens if somebody does

  while (1)
      kill(pid, SIGKILL);

where pid is the process calling kthread_run() from the "for (;;)" loop in scsi_host_alloc()? Theoretically, it will form an infinite retry loop. Clearing TIF_SIGPENDING does not guarantee that next wait_for_completion_killable() does not return immediately. Doing retry decision at scsi_host_alloc() will make things worse than doing it at kthread_create_on_node().

Quoted 4 lines

Anyway. I agree with any hack in scsi_host_alloc/etc, this is up to maintainers. I still think that your change uncovered the problems in drivers/message/fusion/, these problems should be fixed somehow.

Quoted 5 lines
Quoted 2 lines

Dear maintainers, we need your help.

Right. We found that we can fix this problem by updating systemd-udevd to support longer timeout ( comment #53 ). Joseph, would you consult systemd maintainers?

Thanks everyone for reviewing this bug. Message sent to systemd mailing list:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-March/018006.html

#10 lore raw

Re: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression] kthread:makekthread_create()killable

Quoted 2 lines · Joseph Salisbury

On 03/19/2014 07:49 AM, Tetsuo Handa wrote:

Hmm. Apparently I missed this email from Tetsuo. I'll reply here.

Quoted 10 lines
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Quoted 8 lines · Oleg Nesterov

And btw, it is not clear to me if in this case device initialization really needs more than 30 seconds... My understanding is probably wrong, so please correct me. But it seems that before your "make kthread_create() killable"

- probe hangs

- SIGKILL wakes it up

Quoted 8 lines
Quoted 8 lines
Quoted 6 lines

- so I assume that the probe was interrupted and didn't finish correctly ???

- initialization continues, does scsi_host_alloc(), etc, and everything works fine even if probe was interrupted?

I confirmed that device initialization really took more than 30 seconds ( comments #51 and #52 ).

Thanks. However I still think this needs more investigation. May be I'll write another email, but given that maintainers do not care...

Quoted 4 lines
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So perhaps that probe should not hang and this should be fixed too ? Do you know where exactly it hangs? And where it is woken up by SIGKILL ? Or I totally misunderstood ?

The probe did not hang.

It doesn't hang forever. Otherwise see above.

Quoted 2 lines
Quoted 2 lines

SIGKILL affected only wait_for_completion_killable()
in kthread_create_on_node() called by mptsas_probe() via scsi_host_alloc().

This wad already clear,

Quoted 1 line
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Thus, the probe was interrupted because kthread_run() returned an error.

No, #51 / #52 can't prove this. I think that kthread_run() or even scsi_host_alloc() was called with fatal_signal_pending(). What did the probe task do before? This is not clear. But again, see above.

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Ah, I see, you mean that kmalloc() can do this every time. No, this should not happen or we have another problem.

Then, what happens if somebody does

  while (1)
      kill(pid, SIGKILL);

where pid is the process calling kthread_run() from the "for (;;)" loop in scsi_host_alloc()?

Nothing good. So what?

Tetsuo, how many time I should repeat that I only tried to suggest the temporary dirty hack to close the regression ? ;)

And once again, I agree with any change in scsi_host_alloc/etc, I suggested this (pseudo) code for example.

Quoted 9 lines
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Quoted 2 lines

Dear maintainers, we need your help.

Right. We found that we can fix this problem by updating systemd-udevd to support longer timeout ( comment #53 ). Joseph, would you consult systemd maintainers?

Thanks everyone for reviewing this bug. Message sent to systemd mailing list:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-March/018006.html

OK, good, thanks.

But please do not forget that the kernel crashes. Whatever else we do, this should be fixed anyway. And this should be fixed in driver.

Oleg.

#11 lore raw

please fix FUSION (Was: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression] kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

Quoted 3 lines · Oleg Nesterov

But please do not forget that the kernel crashes. Whatever else we do, this should be fixed anyway. And this should be fixed in driver.

drivers/message/fusion/ is obviously buggy.

mptsas_probe() does

		sh = scsi_host_alloc(...);
		if (!sh) {
			...
			goto out_mptsas_probe;
		}
		...
	out_mptsas_probe:
		mptscsih_remove(pdev);

and mptscsih_remove() blindly calls scsi_remove_host(ioc->sh) but ->sh was not initialized, probably it is NULL.

and scsi_remove_host(host) obviously assumes that this pointer is valid.

I think we should wait for maintainers.

Oleg.

#12 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression] kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

Quoted 7 lines · Oleg Nesterov
Quoted 3 lines · Oleg Nesterov

But please do not forget that the kernel crashes. Whatever else we do, this should be fixed anyway. And this should be fixed in driver.

drivers/message/fusion/ is obviously buggy.

Perhaps this is the only problem and Tetsuo is right, this driver really needs more than 30 secs to probe...

But if you have a bit of free time, perhaps you can try the stupid debugging patch below ;) Not sure it will help, but who knows.

Oleg.

drivers/message/fusion/mptsas.c +9 -2
index 00d339c..5ecc27e 100644
@@ -5400,12 +5400,16 @@ mptsas_init(void)
 {
 	int error;
 
+	printk(KERN_CRIT "mptsas_init start\n");
+	current->flags |= 0x1;
 	show_mptmod_ver(my_NAME, my_VERSION);
 
 	mptsas_transport_template =
 	    sas_attach_transport(&mptsas_transport_functions);
-	if (!mptsas_transport_template)
-		return -ENODEV;
+	if (!mptsas_transport_template) {
+		error = -ENODEV;
+		goto out;
+	}
 	mptsas_transport_template->eh_timed_out = mptsas_eh_timed_out;
 
 	mptsasDoneCtx = mpt_register(mptscsih_io_done, MPTSAS_DRIVER,
@@ -5428,6 +5432,9 @@ mptsas_init(void)
 	if (error)
 		sas_release_transport(mptsas_transport_template);
 
+out:
+	current->flags &= ~0x1;
+	printk(KERN_CRIT "mptsas_init end\n");
 	return error;
 }
 
kernel/kthread.c +8 -0
index b5ae3ee..78e643d 100644
@@ -291,6 +291,13 @@ struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data),
 	 * the OOM killer while kthreadd is trying to allocate memory for
 	 * new kernel thread.
 	 */
+
+	if (current->flags & 1) {
+		pr_crit("mptsas no killable wait: %d %d\n",
+			signal_pending(current), __fatal_signal_pending(current));
+		goto wait;
+	}
+
 	if (unlikely(wait_for_completion_killable(&done))) {
 		/*
 		 * If I was SIGKILLed before kthreadd (or new kernel thread)
@@ -303,6 +310,7 @@ struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data),
 		 * kthreadd (or new kernel thread) will call complete()
 		 * shortly.
 		 */
+wait:
 		wait_for_completion(&done);
 	}
 	task = create->result;
kernel/sched/core.c +13 -0
index b46131e..2b202bd 100644
@@ -2655,6 +2655,14 @@ static void __sched __schedule(void)
 	unsigned long *switch_count;
 	struct rq *rq;
 	int cpu;
+	bool trace;
+
+	trace = (current->flags & 1) && current->state && !(preempt_count() & PREEMPT_ACTIVE);
+	if (trace) {
+		pr_crit("mptsas sched: %lx %d %d\n", current->state,
+			signal_pending(current), __fatal_signal_pending(current));
+		show_stack(NULL, NULL);
+	}
 
 need_resched:
 	preempt_disable();
@@ -2733,6 +2741,11 @@ need_resched:
 	sched_preempt_enable_no_resched();
 	if (need_resched())
 		goto need_resched;
+
+	if (trace) {
+		pr_crit("mptsas wake: %d %d\n",
+			signal_pending(current), __fatal_signal_pending(current));
+	}
 }
 
 static inline void sched_submit_work(struct task_struct *tsk)
kernel/signal.c +5 -0
index 52f881d..d121944 100644
@@ -1152,6 +1152,11 @@ static int send_signal(int sig, struct siginfo *info, struct task_struct *t,
 {
 	int from_ancestor_ns = 0;
 
+	if (t->flags & 1) {
+		pr_crit("mptsas killed %d\n", sig);
+		sched_show_task(t);
+	}
+
 #ifdef CONFIG_PID_NS
 	from_ancestor_ns = si_fromuser(info) &&
 			   !task_pid_nr_ns(current, task_active_pid_ns(t));
#13 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression] kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

Quoted 110 lines · Oleg Nesterov
Quoted 4 lines · Oleg Nesterov
Quoted 2 lines · Oleg Nesterov

But please do not forget that the kernel crashes. Whatever else we do, this should be fixed anyway. And this should be fixed in driver.

drivers/message/fusion/ is obviously buggy.

Perhaps this is the only problem and Tetsuo is right, this driver really needs more than 30 secs to probe...

But if you have a bit of free time, perhaps you can try the stupid debugging patch below ;) Not sure it will help, but who knows.

Oleg.

drivers/message/fusion/mptsas.c +9 -2
index 00d339c..5ecc27e 100644
@@ -5400,12 +5400,16 @@ mptsas_init(void)
 {
 	int error;
 
+	printk(KERN_CRIT "mptsas_init start\n");
+	current->flags |= 0x1;
 	show_mptmod_ver(my_NAME, my_VERSION);
 
 	mptsas_transport_template =
 	    sas_attach_transport(&mptsas_transport_functions);
-	if (!mptsas_transport_template)
-		return -ENODEV;
+	if (!mptsas_transport_template) {
+		error = -ENODEV;
+		goto out;
+	}
 	mptsas_transport_template->eh_timed_out = mptsas_eh_timed_out;
 
 	mptsasDoneCtx = mpt_register(mptscsih_io_done, MPTSAS_DRIVER,
@@ -5428,6 +5432,9 @@ mptsas_init(void)
 	if (error)
 		sas_release_transport(mptsas_transport_template);
 
+out:
+	current->flags &= ~0x1;
+	printk(KERN_CRIT "mptsas_init end\n");
 	return error;
 }
 
kernel/kthread.c +8 -0
index b5ae3ee..78e643d 100644
@@ -291,6 +291,13 @@ struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data),
 	 * the OOM killer while kthreadd is trying to allocate memory for
 	 * new kernel thread.
 	 */
+
+	if (current->flags & 1) {
+		pr_crit("mptsas no killable wait: %d %d\n",
+			signal_pending(current), __fatal_signal_pending(current));
+		goto wait;
+	}
+
 	if (unlikely(wait_for_completion_killable(&done))) {
 		/*
 		 * If I was SIGKILLed before kthreadd (or new kernel thread)
@@ -303,6 +310,7 @@ struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data),
 		 * kthreadd (or new kernel thread) will call complete()
 		 * shortly.
 		 */
+wait:
 		wait_for_completion(&done);
 	}
 	task = create->result;
kernel/sched/core.c +13 -0
index b46131e..2b202bd 100644
@@ -2655,6 +2655,14 @@ static void __sched __schedule(void)
 	unsigned long *switch_count;
 	struct rq *rq;
 	int cpu;
+	bool trace;
+
+	trace = (current->flags & 1) && current->state && !(preempt_count() & PREEMPT_ACTIVE);
+	if (trace) {
+		pr_crit("mptsas sched: %lx %d %d\n", current->state,
+			signal_pending(current), __fatal_signal_pending(current));
+		show_stack(NULL, NULL);
+	}
 
 need_resched:
 	preempt_disable();
@@ -2733,6 +2741,11 @@ need_resched:
 	sched_preempt_enable_no_resched();
 	if (need_resched())
 		goto need_resched;
+
+	if (trace) {
+		pr_crit("mptsas wake: %d %d\n",
+			signal_pending(current), __fatal_signal_pending(current));
+	}
 }
 
 static inline void sched_submit_work(struct task_struct *tsk)
kernel/signal.c +0 -0
index 52f881d..d121944 100644
@@ -1152,6 +1152,11 @@ static int send_signal(int sig, struct siginfo *info, struct task_struct *t,
 {

kernel/signal.c static int send_signal(int sig, struct siginfo *info, struct task_struct *t, · line 1162

Quoted 10 lines
kernel/signal.c +5 -0
 	int from_ancestor_ns = 0;
 
+	if (t->flags & 1) {
+		pr_crit("mptsas killed %d\n", sig);
+		sched_show_task(t);
+	}
+
 #ifdef CONFIG_PID_NS
 	from_ancestor_ns = si_fromuser(info) &&
 			   !task_pid_nr_ns(current, task_active_pid_ns(t));

Thanks for the patch, Oleg. I built a test kernel and asked the bug reporter to test it [0].

[0] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1276705/comments/56

#14 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression] kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

In reply to Oleg Nesterov
Quoted 4 lines · Oleg Nesterov
Quoted 3 lines · Oleg Nesterov
Quoted 2 lines · Oleg Nesterov

But please do not forget that the kernel crashes. Whatever else we do, this should be fixed anyway. And this should be fixed in driver.

Quoted 8 lines
Quoted 1 line

drivers/message/fusion/ is obviously buggy.

Perhaps this is the only problem and Tetsuo is right, this driver really needs more than 30 secs to probe...

But if you have a bit of free time, perhaps you can try the stupid debugging patch below ;) Not sure it will help, but who knows.

Oleg.

There was some testing done with your test kernel. The data collected while running your kernel is available in the bug report:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1276705/comments/58

Thanks again for the assistance!

Quoted 108 lines
drivers/message/fusion/mptsas.c +9 -2
index 00d339c..5ecc27e 100644
@@ -5400,12 +5400,16 @@ mptsas_init(void)
 {
 	int error;
 
+	printk(KERN_CRIT "mptsas_init start\n");
+	current->flags |= 0x1;
 	show_mptmod_ver(my_NAME, my_VERSION);
 
 	mptsas_transport_template =
 	    sas_attach_transport(&mptsas_transport_functions);
-	if (!mptsas_transport_template)
-		return -ENODEV;
+	if (!mptsas_transport_template) {
+		error = -ENODEV;
+		goto out;
+	}
 	mptsas_transport_template->eh_timed_out = mptsas_eh_timed_out;
 
 	mptsasDoneCtx = mpt_register(mptscsih_io_done, MPTSAS_DRIVER,
@@ -5428,6 +5432,9 @@ mptsas_init(void)
 	if (error)
 		sas_release_transport(mptsas_transport_template);
 
+out:
+	current->flags &= ~0x1;
+	printk(KERN_CRIT "mptsas_init end\n");
 	return error;
 }
 
kernel/kthread.c +8 -0
index b5ae3ee..78e643d 100644
@@ -291,6 +291,13 @@ struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data),
 	 * the OOM killer while kthreadd is trying to allocate memory for
 	 * new kernel thread.
 	 */
+
+	if (current->flags & 1) {
+		pr_crit("mptsas no killable wait: %d %d\n",
+			signal_pending(current), __fatal_signal_pending(current));
+		goto wait;
+	}
+
 	if (unlikely(wait_for_completion_killable(&done))) {
 		/*
 		 * If I was SIGKILLed before kthreadd (or new kernel thread)
@@ -303,6 +310,7 @@ struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data),
 		 * kthreadd (or new kernel thread) will call complete()
 		 * shortly.
 		 */
+wait:
 		wait_for_completion(&done);
 	}
 	task = create->result;
kernel/sched/core.c +13 -0
index b46131e..2b202bd 100644
@@ -2655,6 +2655,14 @@ static void __sched __schedule(void)
 	unsigned long *switch_count;
 	struct rq *rq;
 	int cpu;
+	bool trace;
+
+	trace = (current->flags & 1) && current->state && !(preempt_count() & PREEMPT_ACTIVE);
+	if (trace) {
+		pr_crit("mptsas sched: %lx %d %d\n", current->state,
+			signal_pending(current), __fatal_signal_pending(current));
+		show_stack(NULL, NULL);
+	}
 
 need_resched:
 	preempt_disable();
@@ -2733,6 +2741,11 @@ need_resched:
 	sched_preempt_enable_no_resched();
 	if (need_resched())
 		goto need_resched;
+
+	if (trace) {
+		pr_crit("mptsas wake: %d %d\n",
+			signal_pending(current), __fatal_signal_pending(current));
+	}
 }
 
 static inline void sched_submit_work(struct task_struct *tsk)
kernel/signal.c +5 -0
index 52f881d..d121944 100644
@@ -1152,6 +1152,11 @@ static int send_signal(int sig, struct siginfo *info, struct task_struct *t,
 {
 	int from_ancestor_ns = 0;
 
+	if (t->flags & 1) {
+		pr_crit("mptsas killed %d\n", sig);
+		sched_show_task(t);
+	}
+
 #ifdef CONFIG_PID_NS
 	from_ancestor_ns = si_fromuser(info) &&
 			   !task_pid_nr_ns(current, task_active_pid_ns(t));
#15 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression] kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

Quoted 10 lines · Joseph Salisbury
Quoted 8 lines · Oleg Nesterov
Quoted 4 lines · Oleg Nesterov
Quoted 2 lines · Oleg Nesterov

But please do not forget that the kernel crashes. Whatever else we do, this should be fixed anyway. And this should be fixed in driver.

drivers/message/fusion/ is obviously buggy.

Perhaps this is the only problem and Tetsuo is right, this driver really needs more than 30 secs to probe...

Quoted 8 lines
Quoted 4 lines

But if you have a bit of free time, perhaps you can try the stupid debugging patch below ;) Not sure it will help, but who knows.

Oleg.

There was some testing done with your test kernel. The data collected while running your kernel is available in the bug report:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1276705/comments/58

Joseph, thanks a lot.

I'll try to read the logs tomorrow, but at first glance Tetsuo was right, I do not see a "long" sleep in that log. And it shows that the hack around kthread_run() in scsi_host_alloc() won't help. I am wondering why I didn't realize this before ;)

Hmm. Perhaps we should simply change mptsas_init() to block all signals until we have the right fix.

Oleg.

#16 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression] kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

Quoted 11 lines · Oleg Nesterov
Quoted 4 lines · Joseph Salisbury

There was some testing done with your test kernel. The data collected while running your kernel is available in the bug report:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1276705/comments/58

Joseph, thanks a lot.

I'll try to read the logs tomorrow, but at first glance Tetsuo was right, I do not see a "long" sleep in that log.

Yes, it seems that it actually needs > 30 secs. It spends most of the time (30.13286 seconds) in

	msleep+0x20/0x30
	WaitForDoorbellInt+0x103/0x130 [mptbase]
	WaitForDoorbellReply+0x42/0x220 [mptbase]
	mpt_handshake_req_reply_wait+0x1dc/0x2c0 [mptbase]
	SendPortEnable.constprop.23+0x94/0xc0 [mptbase]

WaitForDoorbellInt() does msleep(1) in a loop. This trace starts at the line 6001, and it is repeated 3792 times, till the line 176686 which apparently shows the trace of the 2nd WaitForDoorbellInt() in WaitForDoorbellReply().

SendPortEnable:

	if (ioc->ir_firmware || ioc->bus_type == SAS) {
		rc = mpt_handshake_req_reply_wait(ioc, req_sz,
		(u32*)&port_enable, reply_sz, (u16*)&reply_buf,
		300 /*seconds*/, sleepFlag);
	} else {
		rc = mpt_handshake_req_reply_wait(ioc, req_sz,
		(u32*)&port_enable, reply_sz, (u16*)&reply_buf,
		30 /*seconds*/, sleepFlag);
	}

I am wondering which branch calls mpt_handshake_req_reply_wait(), the else's timeout=30 (passed to the 1st WaitForDoorbellInt) suspiciously matches the time WaitForDoorbellInt() actually runs... But everything works fine and at first glance the potential timeout error should be propogated correctly. So "timeout" is probably 300. And probably this all is fine.

All I can suggest is the dirty hack for now. User-space should be changed too, I think, but this is another story.

Tetsuo, what do you think?

Oleg.
---

drivers/message/fusion/mptsas.c +27 -1
@@ -5395,6 +5395,8 @@ static struct pci_driver mptsas_driver = {
 #endif
 };
 
+#include <linux/signal.h>
+
 static int __init
 mptsas_init(void)
 {
@@ -5424,7 +5426,31 @@ mptsas_init(void)
 	mpt_event_register(mptsasDoneCtx, mptsas_event_process);
 	mpt_reset_register(mptsasDoneCtx, mptsas_ioc_reset);
 
-	error = pci_register_driver(&mptsas_driver);
+	{
+		sigset_t full, save;
+		/*
+		 * KILL ME. THIS IS THE DIRTY AND WRONG HACK WAITING FOR THE
+		 * FIX FROM MAINTAINERS.
+		 *
+		 * - This driver needs a lot of time to complete SendPortEnable()
+		 *   but systemd-udevd sends SIGKILL after 30 seconds, see
+		 *   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1276705
+		 *
+		 *   Probably user-space should be changed, but:
+		 *
+		 * - Since commit 786235eeba0e "kthread: make kthread_create()
+		 *   killable" scsi_host_alloc() becomes killable and this SIGKILL
+		 *   crashes the kernel.
+		 *
+		 *   If scsi_host_alloc() fails mptsas_probe() blindly calls
+		 *   mptscsih_remove() and scsi_remove_host() hits host == NULL.
+		 */
+		sigfillset(&full);
+		sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, &full, &save);
+		error = pci_register_driver(&mptsas_driver);
+		sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, &save, NULL);
+	}
+
 	if (error)
 		sas_release_transport(mptsas_transport_template);
 
#17 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression] kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

Quoted 3 lines · Oleg Nesterov

Yes, it seems that it actually needs > 30 secs. It spends most of the time (30.13286 seconds) in [..]

So how about taking a completely different approach:

- just say that waiting for devices in the module init sequence for
over 30 seconds is really really wrong.

- make the damn mptsas driver just register the controller from the
init sequence, and then do device discovery asynchronously.

The ATA layer does this correctly: it synchronously finds each host, but then it does

        /* perform each probe asynchronously */
        for (i = 0; i < host->n_ports; i++) {
                struct ata_port *ap = host->ports[i];
                async_schedule(async_port_probe, ap);
        }

and I really think SCSI drivers should do the same if they have this kind of "ports can take forever to probe" behavior.

What would be the equivalent magic to do this for SCSI? Could we just make something like scsi_probe_and_add_lun() just always do this, the same way ata_host_register() does it?

Linus

#18 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression] kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

Quoted 7 lines · Linus Torvalds
Quoted 3 lines · Oleg Nesterov

Yes, it seems that it actually needs > 30 secs. It spends most of the time (30.13286 seconds) in [..]

So how about taking a completely different approach:

Due to the lack of knowledge I can not comment (or even actually understand) your suggestion.

But it probably falls into the "right fix" category, iow "THE FIX FROM MAINTAINERS" the temporary sigprocmask() hack should wait for.

I can't implement this by the same reason. And of course I won't insist that we need some really stupid (and wrong) solution until someone who understand makes the initialization asynchronous.

Quoted 23 lines

- just say that waiting for devices in the module init sequence for
over 30 seconds is really really wrong.

- make the damn mptsas driver just register the controller from the
init sequence, and then do device discovery asynchronously.

The ATA layer does this correctly: it synchronously finds each host, but then it does

        /* perform each probe asynchronously */
        for (i = 0; i < host->n_ports; i++) {
                struct ata_port *ap = host->ports[i];
                async_schedule(async_port_probe, ap);
        }

and I really think SCSI drivers should do the same if they have this kind of "ports can take forever to probe" behavior.

What would be the equivalent magic to do this for SCSI? Could we just make something like scsi_probe_and_add_lun() just always do this, the same way ata_host_register() does it?

Linus

maintainer
#19 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression] kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

In reply to Linus Torvalds
Quoted 22 lines · Linus Torvalds
Quoted 3 lines · Oleg Nesterov

Yes, it seems that it actually needs > 30 secs. It spends most of the time (30.13286 seconds) in [..]

So how about taking a completely different approach:

- just say that waiting for devices in the module init sequence for
over 30 seconds is really really wrong.

- make the damn mptsas driver just register the controller from the
init sequence, and then do device discovery asynchronously.

The ATA layer does this correctly: it synchronously finds each host, but then it does

        /* perform each probe asynchronously */
        for (i = 0; i < host->n_ports; i++) {
                struct ata_port *ap = host->ports[i];
                async_schedule(async_port_probe, ap);
        }
Quoted 6 lines

and I really think SCSI drivers should do the same if they have this kind of "ports can take forever to probe" behavior.

What would be the equivalent magic to do this for SCSI? Could we just make something like scsi_probe_and_add_lun() just always do this, the same way ata_host_register() does it?

Well, we do do this asynchronously. The idea is that the add host only initialises the actual hardware. The port probing is supposed to be done asynchronously (provided the async probe option is enabled in SCSI, of course). The way this is supposed to happen is the driver initialises the hardware and then calls scsi_scan_host(). If the platform is set up for async scanning, that kicks off all the async workqueues and returns (or does it all synchronously if async scanning isn't enabled).

It is possible fusion gets this wrong because the sas driver doesn't really couple to SCSI's libsas, which is where it would pick up most of the generic infrastructure for this. Plus it depends where all the time is being wasted. The fusion was the last sas chipset I got the specs for (under NDA). It's actually table driven, so if the problem is the controller taking ages to fill in the tables it might necessitate a fusion specific fix. I can see from the driver that it seems to do all the probing itself instead of relying on probe callbacks from scsi_scan_host(), so I know what needs to be fixed ... it's less clear how easy this would be given how monolithic the routine looks.

James

#20 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression]kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

In reply to Oleg Nesterov
Quoted 1 line · Oleg Nesterov

Tetsuo, what do you think?

I don't like blocking SIGKILL while doing operations that depend on memory allocation by other processes. If the OOM killer is triggered and it chose the process blocking SIGKILL in mptsas_init() (I know it unlikely happens), it generates the OOM killer deadlock.

My preference is to fix kthread_create() to handle SIGKILL gracefully. kthread_create() did not return upon SIGKILL before commit 786235ee. Since commit 786235ee, there is imbalance that "kmalloc(GFP_KERNEL) in kthread_create_on_node() ignores SIGKILL unless TIF_MEMDIE is set" but "wait_for_completion_killable() in kthread_create_on_node() does not ignore SIGKILL even if TIF_MEMDIE is not set".

Many kernel operations (e.g. mutex_lock() wait_event() wait_for_completion()) ignore SIGKILL and the current users depend on SIGKILL being ignored. Thus, commit 786235ee sounds like a kernel API breakage.
----------

Quoted 1 line

From 731f1f6dec7efaa132f751c432079b9b1fdb78d2 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001

From: Tetsuo Handa <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:16:50 +0900
Subject: [PATCH] kthread: Handle SIGKILL gracefully in kthread_create().

Commit 786235ee "kthread: make kthread_create() killable" changed to leave kthread_create() as soon as receiving SIGKILL. But this change caused boot failures because systemd-udevd receives SIGKILL due to timeout while loading SCSI controller drivers using finit_module() [1].

Therefore, this patch changes kthread_create() from "wait forever in killable state" to "wait for 10 seconds in unkillable state, check for the OOM killer every second".

This patch also changes the return value of timeout case from -ENOMEM to -EINTR because -ENOMEM could make sense for only TIF_MEMDIE case.

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1276705

---
 kernel/kthread.c |   37 +++++++++++++++++++++----------------
 1 files changed, 21 insertions(+), 16 deletions(-)
kernel/kthread.c +21 -16
index b5ae3ee..6a25a9f 100644
@@ -269,6 +269,7 @@ struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data),
 					   const char namefmt[],
 					   ...)
 {
+	int i = 0;
 	DECLARE_COMPLETION_ONSTACK(done);
 	struct task_struct *task;
 	struct kthread_create_info *create = kmalloc(sizeof(*create),
@@ -287,24 +288,28 @@ struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data),
 
 	wake_up_process(kthreadd_task);
 	/*
-	 * Wait for completion in killable state, for I might be chosen by
-	 * the OOM killer while kthreadd is trying to allocate memory for
-	 * new kernel thread.
+	 * Wait for completion with 10 seconds timeout. Unless the kthreadd is
+	 * blocked for direct memory reclaim path, the kthreadd will be able to
+	 * complete the request within 10 seconds. Also, check every second if
+	 * I was chosen by the OOM killer in order to avoid the OOM killer
+	 * deadlock.
 	 */
-	if (unlikely(wait_for_completion_killable(&done))) {
-		/*
-		 * If I was SIGKILLed before kthreadd (or new kernel thread)
-		 * calls complete(), leave the cleanup of this structure to
-		 * that thread.
-		 */
-		if (xchg(&create->done, NULL))
-			return ERR_PTR(-ENOMEM);
-		/*
-		 * kthreadd (or new kernel thread) will call complete()
-		 * shortly.
-		 */
-		wait_for_completion(&done);
+	do {
+		if (likely(wait_for_completion_timeout(&done, HZ)))
+			goto ready;
+	} while (i++ < 10 && !test_thread_flag(TIF_MEMDIE));
+	/*
+	 * The kthreadd was unable to complete the request within 10 seconds
+	 * (or I was chosen by the OOM killer). Thus, give up and leave the
+	 * cleanup of this structure to the kthreadd (or new kernel thread).
+	 */
+	if (xchg(&create->done, NULL)) {
+		WARN(1, "Gave up waiting for kthreadd.\n");
+		return ERR_PTR(-EINTR);
 	}
+	/* kthreadd (or new kernel thread) will call complete() shortly. */
+	wait_for_completion(&done);
+ready:
 	task = create->result;
 	if (!IS_ERR(task)) {
 		static const struct sched_param param = { .sched_priority = 0 };
Signature · 1 line
1.7.1
#21 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression]kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

Quoted 8 lines · Tetsuo Handa
Quoted 1 line · Oleg Nesterov

Tetsuo, what do you think?

I don't like blocking SIGKILL while doing operations that depend on memory allocation by other processes. If the OOM killer is triggered and it chose the process blocking SIGKILL in mptsas_init() (I know it unlikely happens), it generates the OOM killer deadlock.

It seems that we do not understand each other.

I do not like this hack too. And it is even wrong, you can't really block SIGKILL. And it is unnecessary in a sense that (I think) it is fine that module_init() reacts to SIGKILL and aborts, just the fact it crashes the kernel in the error paths is not fine.

The driver should be fixed anyway. As for timeout, either userspace/systemd should be changed to not send SIGKILL after 30 secs, or (better) the driver should be changed to not waste 30 secs.

The hack I sent can only serve as a short term solution, it should be reverted once we have something better. And, otoh, this hack only affects the problematic driver which should be fixed in any case.

Do you see my point? I can be wrong, but I think that you constantly misunderstand the intent.

Quoted 1 line

My preference is to fix kthread_create() to handle SIGKILL gracefully.

And now I do not understand you too. I do not understand why should we "fix" kthread_create().

Quoted 3 lines

Many kernel operations (e.g. mutex_lock() wait_event() wait_for_completion()) ignore SIGKILL and the current users depend on SIGKILL being ignored. Thus, commit 786235ee sounds like a kernel API breakage.

Personally I do not really think so, but OK. In this case lets revert 786235ee.

Quoted 4 lines

Commit 786235ee "kthread: make kthread_create() killable" changed to leave kthread_create() as soon as receiving SIGKILL. But this change caused boot failures because systemd-udevd receives SIGKILL due to timeout while loading SCSI controller drivers using finit_module() [1].

And I still think that 786235ee simply uncovered the problems in this driver. Perhaps we should change kthread_create() for some reason, but (imho) not because we need to help the buggy code.

Quoted 3 lines

Therefore, this patch changes kthread_create() from "wait forever in killable state" to "wait for 10 seconds in unkillable state, check for the OOM killer every second".

Personally I dislike this change. In fact I think it is ugly. But this is only my opinion.

If you convince someone to take this patch I won't argue.

Quoted 69 lines

This patch also changes the return value of timeout case from -ENOMEM to -EINTR because -ENOMEM could make sense for only TIF_MEMDIE case.

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1276705

---
 kernel/kthread.c |   37 +++++++++++++++++++++----------------
 1 files changed, 21 insertions(+), 16 deletions(-)
kernel/kthread.c +21 -17
index b5ae3ee..6a25a9f 100644
@@ -269,6 +269,7 @@ struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data),
 					   const char namefmt[],
 					   ...)
 {
+	int i = 0;
 	DECLARE_COMPLETION_ONSTACK(done);
 	struct task_struct *task;
 	struct kthread_create_info *create = kmalloc(sizeof(*create),
@@ -287,24 +288,28 @@ struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data),
 
 	wake_up_process(kthreadd_task);
 	/*
-	 * Wait for completion in killable state, for I might be chosen by
-	 * the OOM killer while kthreadd is trying to allocate memory for
-	 * new kernel thread.
+	 * Wait for completion with 10 seconds timeout. Unless the kthreadd is
+	 * blocked for direct memory reclaim path, the kthreadd will be able to
+	 * complete the request within 10 seconds. Also, check every second if
+	 * I was chosen by the OOM killer in order to avoid the OOM killer
+	 * deadlock.
 	 */
-	if (unlikely(wait_for_completion_killable(&done))) {
-		/*
-		 * If I was SIGKILLed before kthreadd (or new kernel thread)
-		 * calls complete(), leave the cleanup of this structure to
-		 * that thread.
-		 */
-		if (xchg(&create->done, NULL))
-			return ERR_PTR(-ENOMEM);
-		/*
-		 * kthreadd (or new kernel thread) will call complete()
-		 * shortly.
-		 */
-		wait_for_completion(&done);
+	do {
+		if (likely(wait_for_completion_timeout(&done, HZ)))
+			goto ready;
+	} while (i++ < 10 && !test_thread_flag(TIF_MEMDIE));
+	/*
+	 * The kthreadd was unable to complete the request within 10 seconds
+	 * (or I was chosen by the OOM killer). Thus, give up and leave the
+	 * cleanup of this structure to the kthreadd (or new kernel thread).
+	 */
+	if (xchg(&create->done, NULL)) {
+		WARN(1, "Gave up waiting for kthreadd.\n");
+		return ERR_PTR(-EINTR);
 	}
+	/* kthreadd (or new kernel thread) will call complete() shortly. */
+	wait_for_completion(&done);
+ready:
 	task = create->result;
 	if (!IS_ERR(task)) {
 		static const struct sched_param param = { .sched_priority = 0 };
--

1.7.1

maintainer
#22 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression]kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

Quoted 49 lines · Oleg Nesterov
Quoted 8 lines · Tetsuo Handa
Quoted 1 line · Oleg Nesterov

Tetsuo, what do you think?

I don't like blocking SIGKILL while doing operations that depend on memory allocation by other processes. If the OOM killer is triggered and it chose the process blocking SIGKILL in mptsas_init() (I know it unlikely happens), it generates the OOM killer deadlock.

It seems that we do not understand each other.

I do not like this hack too. And it is even wrong, you can't really block SIGKILL. And it is unnecessary in a sense that (I think) it is fine that module_init() reacts to SIGKILL and aborts, just the fact it crashes the kernel in the error paths is not fine.

The driver should be fixed anyway. As for timeout, either userspace/systemd should be changed to not send SIGKILL after 30 secs, or (better) the driver should be changed to not waste 30 secs.

The hack I sent can only serve as a short term solution, it should be reverted once we have something better. And, otoh, this hack only affects the problematic driver which should be fixed in any case.

Do you see my point? I can be wrong, but I think that you constantly misunderstand the intent.

Quoted 1 line

My preference is to fix kthread_create() to handle SIGKILL gracefully.

And now I do not understand you too. I do not understand why should we "fix" kthread_create().

Quoted 3 lines

Many kernel operations (e.g. mutex_lock() wait_event() wait_for_completion()) ignore SIGKILL and the current users depend on SIGKILL being ignored. Thus, commit 786235ee sounds like a kernel API breakage.

Personally I do not really think so, but OK. In this case lets revert 786235ee.

Quoted 4 lines

Commit 786235ee "kthread: make kthread_create() killable" changed to leave kthread_create() as soon as receiving SIGKILL. But this change caused boot failures because systemd-udevd receives SIGKILL due to timeout while loading SCSI controller drivers using finit_module() [1].

And I still think that 786235ee simply uncovered the problems in this driver. Perhaps we should change kthread_create() for some reason, but (imho) not because we need to help the buggy code.

Quoted 8 lines
Quoted 3 lines

Therefore, this patch changes kthread_create() from "wait forever in killable state" to "wait for 10 seconds in unkillable state, check for the OOM killer every second".

Personally I dislike this change. In fact I think it is ugly. But this is only my opinion.

If you convince someone to take this patch I won't argue.

OK, the fix from the SCSI point of view is to make the mpt teardown path actually work. The whole thing looks to be a complete mess because there's another place where it will do the wrong thing in mptscsih_remove(). You always have to call mpt_detach() otherwise the device doesn't get removed from the lists. In theory this patch fixes both bugs in the driver.

James

---

drivers/message/fusion/mptscsih.c +6 -1
index 727819c..282d39a 100644
@@ -1176,10 +1176,14 @@ mptscsih_remove(struct pci_dev *pdev)
 	MPT_SCSI_HOST		*hd;
 	int sz1;
 
+	if (!host)
+		/* not brought up far enough to do scsi_host_attach() */
+		goto out;
+
 	scsi_remove_host(host);
 
 	if((hd = shost_priv(host)) == NULL)
-		return;
+		goto out;
 
 	mptscsih_shutdown(pdev);
 
@@ -1203,6 +1207,7 @@ mptscsih_remove(struct pci_dev *pdev)
 
 	scsi_host_put(host);
 
+ out:
 	mpt_detach(pdev);
 
 }
#23 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression]kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

Quoted 7 lines · James Bottomley

OK, the fix from the SCSI point of view is to make the mpt teardown path actually work. The whole thing looks to be a complete mess because there's another place where it will do the wrong thing in mptscsih_remove(). You always have to call mpt_detach() otherwise the device doesn't get removed from the lists. In theory this patch fixes both bugs in the driver.

Yes, I obviously thought about the same change ;)

But note that mpt_detach() doesn't look correct too. This is almost off-topic, but still...

At least it needs s/cancel_delayed_work/cancel_delayed_work_sync/ to sync with mpt_fault_reset_work().

And it is not clear if it is safe to simply destroy ->fw_event_q, perhaps it can't have the pending works if the caller is teardown path, and otherwise we rely on mptsas_cleanup_fw_event_q(), I do not know... but mptsas_cleanup_fw_event_q() needs _sync too I guess, and obviously mptsas_free_fw_event() should be called unconditionally.

OTOH, mpt_attach() doesn't verify that ->fw_event_q was created succesfully. And, if mpt_do_ioc_recovery() fails it destroys ->reset_work_q but not ->fw_event_q. Looks like this driver needs some cleanups.

drivers/message/fusion/mptscsih.c mptscsih_remove(struct pci_dev *pdev) · line 1180

Quoted 8 lines
drivers/message/fusion/mptscsih.c +2 -0
@@ -1176,10 +1176,14 @@ mptscsih_remove(struct pci_dev *pdev)
 	MPT_SCSI_HOST		*hd;
 	int sz1;
 
+	if (!host)
+		/* not brought up far enough to do scsi_host_attach() */
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

scsi_host_alloc ;)

drivers/message/fusion/mptscsih.c mptscsih_remove(struct pci_dev *pdev) · line 1182

Quoted 2 lines
drivers/message/fusion/mptscsih.c +2 -0
+		goto out;
+

Yes, I think this is correct. mpt_attach() does kzalloc(MPT_ADAPTER) so we can probably rely on ->sh == NULL if _alloc failed.

Oleg.

#24 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression]kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

In reply to Oleg Nesterov
Quoted 7 lines · Oleg Nesterov
Quoted 3 lines · Tetsuo Handa

Many kernel operations (e.g. mutex_lock() wait_event() wait_for_completion()) ignore SIGKILL and the current users depend on SIGKILL being ignored. Thus, commit 786235ee sounds like a kernel API breakage.

Personally I do not really think so, but OK. In this case lets revert 786235ee.

We have explicitely:

mutex_lock, mutex_lock_killable and mutex_lock_interruptible.

Ditto for wait_event and wait_for_completion.

So the existance of the uninterruptible versions does not make an argument for the kthread_create() case.

Quoted 8 lines
Quoted 4 lines

Commit 786235ee "kthread: make kthread_create() killable" changed to leave kthread_create() as soon as receiving SIGKILL. But this change caused boot failures because systemd-udevd receives SIGKILL due to timeout while loading SCSI controller drivers using finit_module() [1].

And I still think that 786235ee simply uncovered the problems in this driver. Perhaps we should change kthread_create() for some reason, but (imho) not because we need to help the buggy code.

Right.

Quoted 6 lines
Quoted 3 lines

Therefore, this patch changes kthread_create() from "wait forever in killable state" to "wait for 10 seconds in unkillable state, check for the OOM killer every second".

Personally I dislike this change. In fact I think it is ugly. But this is only my opinion.

It's not only ugly, it's activly wrong. It's as wrong as 786235ee itself. And 786235ee needs to be reverted and the revert must go into 3.13.stable as well. I'll send a revert request in separate mail.

Thanks,

tglx

#25 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression]kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

Quoted 7 lines · Thomas Gleixner
Quoted 2 lines · Oleg Nesterov

Personally I dislike this change. In fact I think it is ugly. But this is only my opinion.

It's not only ugly, it's activly wrong. It's as wrong as 786235ee itself. And 786235ee needs to be reverted and the revert must go into 3.13.stable as well. I'll send a revert request in separate mail.

Sorry. I misread the combo of both patches. 786235ee is correct. We definitely don't want to revert it.

But I still think, that changing this to butt ugly heuristics with an arbitrary chosen timeout is not the proper solution to "fix" a driver problem and to work around a systemd policy which mandates that modprobe must return in 30 seconds.

But then systemd/udev mutters:

"You migh be able to work around the timeout with udev rules and
OPTIONS+="event_timeout=120", but that code was maybe never used or tested, so it might not work correctly." [1]

AFAICT from the ubuntu bug system [2] nobody bothered even to try that.

And if the udev/systemd event_timeout option is broken it's way better to fix that one instead of hacking random heuristics into the kernel.

Thanks,

tglx

[1] http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-March/018007.html
[2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1276705

#26 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was:[v3.13][v3.14][Regression]kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

Quoted 10 lines · Thomas Gleixner

But then systemd/udev mutters:

"You migh be able to work around the timeout with udev rules and
OPTIONS+="event_timeout=120", but that code was maybe never used or tested, so it might not work correctly." [1]

AFAICT from the ubuntu bug system [2] nobody bothered even to try that.

And if the udev/systemd event_timeout option is broken it's way better to fix that one instead of hacking random heuristics into the kernel.

I haven't tried the event_timeout= option but I think it will not work. The timeout is hard coded as shown below and there will be no chance for taking the event_timeout= option into account.

---------- systemd-204/src/udev/udevd.c start ---------- (...snipped...)

                        /* check for hanging events */
                        udev_list_node_foreach(loop, &worker_list) {
                                struct worker *worker = node_to_worker(loop);

                                if (worker->state != WORKER_RUNNING)
                                        continue;

                                if ((now(CLOCK_MONOTONIC) - worker->event_start_usec) > 30 * 1000 * 1000) {
                                        log_error("worker [%u] %s timeout; kill it\n", worker->pid,
                                            worker->event ? worker->event->devpath : "<idle>");
                                        kill(worker->pid, SIGKILL);
                                        worker->state = WORKER_KILLED;
                                        /* drop reference taken for state 'running' */
                                        worker_unref(worker);
                                        if (worker->event) {
                                                log_error("seq %llu '%s' killed\n",
                                                          udev_device_get_seqnum(worker->event->dev), worker->event->devpath);
                                                worker->event->exitcode = -64;
                                                event_queue_delete(worker->event, true);
                                                worker->event = NULL;
                                        }
                                }
                        }

(...snipped...)
---------- systemd-204/src/udev/udevd.c end ----------

#27 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was:[v3.13][v3.14][Regression]kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

Quoted 18 lines · Tetsuo Handa
Quoted 10 lines · Thomas Gleixner

But then systemd/udev mutters:

"You migh be able to work around the timeout with udev rules and
OPTIONS+="event_timeout=120", but that code was maybe never used or tested, so it might not work correctly." [1]

AFAICT from the ubuntu bug system [2] nobody bothered even to try that.

And if the udev/systemd event_timeout option is broken it's way better to fix that one instead of hacking random heuristics into the kernel.

I haven't tried the event_timeout= option but I think it will not work. The timeout is hard coded as shown below and there will be no chance for taking the event_timeout= option into account.

---------- systemd-204/src/udev/udevd.c start ---------- (...snipped...)

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                        /* check for hanging events */
                        udev_list_node_foreach(loop, &worker_list) {
                                struct worker *worker = node_to_worker(loop);

                                if (worker->state != WORKER_RUNNING)
                                        continue;

                                if ((now(CLOCK_MONOTONIC) - worker->event_start_usec) > 30 * 1000 * 1000) {

And because systemd has an immutable hardcoded random timeout we add another hardcoded random timeout into kthread_create() to work around that.

How broken is that?

And it seems other people have solved it:

    http://www.redhat.com/archives/lvm-devel/2013-September/msg00036.html

Thanks,

tglx

maintainer
#28 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was:[v3.13][v3.14][Regression]kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

Quoted 33 lines · Thomas Gleixner
Quoted 18 lines · Tetsuo Handa
Quoted 10 lines · Thomas Gleixner

But then systemd/udev mutters:

"You migh be able to work around the timeout with udev rules and
OPTIONS+="event_timeout=120", but that code was maybe never used or tested, so it might not work correctly." [1]

AFAICT from the ubuntu bug system [2] nobody bothered even to try that.

And if the udev/systemd event_timeout option is broken it's way better to fix that one instead of hacking random heuristics into the kernel.

I haven't tried the event_timeout= option but I think it will not work. The timeout is hard coded as shown below and there will be no chance for taking the event_timeout= option into account.

---------- systemd-204/src/udev/udevd.c start ---------- (...snipped...)

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                        /* check for hanging events */
                        udev_list_node_foreach(loop, &worker_list) {
                                struct worker *worker = node_to_worker(loop);

                                if (worker->state != WORKER_RUNNING)
                                        continue;

                                if ((now(CLOCK_MONOTONIC) - worker->event_start_usec) > 30 * 1000 * 1000) {

And because systemd has an immutable hardcoded random timeout we add another hardcoded random timeout into kthread_create() to work around that.

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How broken is that?

And it seems other people have solved it:

    http://www.redhat.com/archives/lvm-devel/2013-September/msg00036.html

I agree with Thomas. A hardcoded timeout is a systemd bug. However, could I get confirmation, while you can use this bug to do it, that the patch back in this thread actually fixes the crash when scsi_alloc_host fails, that's the serious SCSI bug, in my view?

Thanks,

James

#29 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was:[v3.13][v3.14][Regression]kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

Quoted 36 lines · James Bottomley
Quoted 35 lines · Thomas Gleixner
Quoted 18 lines · Tetsuo Handa
Quoted 10 lines · Thomas Gleixner

But then systemd/udev mutters:

"You migh be able to work around the timeout with udev rules and
OPTIONS+="event_timeout=120", but that code was maybe never used or tested, so it might not work correctly." [1]

AFAICT from the ubuntu bug system [2] nobody bothered even to try that.

And if the udev/systemd event_timeout option is broken it's way better to fix that one instead of hacking random heuristics into the kernel.

I haven't tried the event_timeout= option but I think it will not work. The timeout is hard coded as shown below and there will be no chance for taking the event_timeout= option into account.

---------- systemd-204/src/udev/udevd.c start ---------- (...snipped...)

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                        /* check for hanging events */
                        udev_list_node_foreach(loop, &worker_list) {
                                struct worker *worker = node_to_worker(loop);

                                if (worker->state != WORKER_RUNNING)
                                        continue;

                                if ((now(CLOCK_MONOTONIC) - worker->event_start_usec) > 30 * 1000 * 1000) {

And because systemd has an immutable hardcoded random timeout we add another hardcoded random timeout into kthread_create() to work around that.

How broken is that?

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And it seems other people have solved it:

    http://www.redhat.com/archives/lvm-devel/2013-September/msg00036.html

I agree with Thomas. A hardcoded timeout is a systemd bug. However, could I get confirmation, while you can use this bug to do it, that the patch back in this thread actually fixes the crash when scsi_alloc_host fails, that's the serious SCSI bug, in my view?

Which patch, the one to kthread_create() or the one to SCSI?

Thanks,

tglx

maintainer
#30 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was:[v3.13][v3.14][Regression]kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

Quoted 39 lines · Thomas Gleixner
Quoted 38 lines · James Bottomley
Quoted 37 lines · Thomas Gleixner
Quoted 18 lines · Tetsuo Handa
Quoted 10 lines · Thomas Gleixner

But then systemd/udev mutters:

"You migh be able to work around the timeout with udev rules and
OPTIONS+="event_timeout=120", but that code was maybe never used or tested, so it might not work correctly." [1]

AFAICT from the ubuntu bug system [2] nobody bothered even to try that.

And if the udev/systemd event_timeout option is broken it's way better to fix that one instead of hacking random heuristics into the kernel.

I haven't tried the event_timeout= option but I think it will not work. The timeout is hard coded as shown below and there will be no chance for taking the event_timeout= option into account.

---------- systemd-204/src/udev/udevd.c start ---------- (...snipped...)

Quoted 8 lines
                        /* check for hanging events */
                        udev_list_node_foreach(loop, &worker_list) {
                                struct worker *worker = node_to_worker(loop);

                                if (worker->state != WORKER_RUNNING)
                                        continue;

                                if ((now(CLOCK_MONOTONIC) - worker->event_start_usec) > 30 * 1000 * 1000) {

And because systemd has an immutable hardcoded random timeout we add another hardcoded random timeout into kthread_create() to work around that.

How broken is that?

And it seems other people have solved it:

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    http://www.redhat.com/archives/lvm-devel/2013-September/msg00036.html

I agree with Thomas. A hardcoded timeout is a systemd bug. However, could I get confirmation, while you can use this bug to do it, that the patch back in this thread actually fixes the crash when scsi_alloc_host fails, that's the serious SCSI bug, in my view?

Which patch, the one to kthread_create() or the one to SCSI?

The one to SCSI ... I'm only really interested in the oops when scsi_host_alloc fails.

James

#31 lore raw

Re: please fix FUSION (Was:[v3.13][v3.14][Regression]kthread:makekthread_create()killable)

In reply to Oleg Nesterov
Quoted 12 lines · Oleg Nesterov
Quoted 8 lines · Tetsuo Handa
Quoted 1 line · Oleg Nesterov

Tetsuo, what do you think?

I don't like blocking SIGKILL while doing operations that depend on memory allocation by other processes. If the OOM killer is triggered and it chose the process blocking SIGKILL in mptsas_init() (I know it unlikely happens), it generates the OOM killer deadlock.

It seems that we do not understand each other.

I'm agreeing with you regarding long term solution. I think that I and you do not understand each other regarding which approach should be used for short term solution.

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I do not like this hack too. And it is even wrong, you can't really block SIGKILL. And it is unnecessary in a sense that (I think) it is fine that module_init() reacts to SIGKILL and aborts, just the fact it crashes the kernel in the error paths is not fine.

I expect that kernel code reacts to SIGKILL and aborts, but current code (not only fusion but any code) is not ready for reacting to SIGKILL due to use of uninterruptible versions of lock/wait etc. operators.

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The driver should be fixed anyway. As for timeout, either userspace/systemd should be changed to not send SIGKILL after 30 secs, or (better) the driver should be changed to not waste 30 secs.

I'm not asserting that we should not fix the driver and the userspace. I agree that we should fix the driver to respond SIGKILL properly and fix the userspace not to send SIGKILL on hard coded timeout.

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The hack I sent can only serve as a short term solution, it should be reverted once we have something better. And, otoh, this hack only affects the problematic driver which should be fixed in any case.

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Do you see my point? I can be wrong, but I think that you constantly misunderstand the intent.

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My preference is to fix kthread_create() to handle SIGKILL gracefully.

And now I do not understand you too. I do not understand why should we "fix" kthread_create().

I can see your point. But as for kernel for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (which the date of kernel freeze comes shortly), fixing kthread_create() is the safer choice, for we haven't proved that the fusion is the only kernel code which is disturbed by commit 786235ee.

After we confirmed that there is no more kernel code which is disturbed by commit 786235ee, we can revert the "kthread: Handle SIGKILL gracefully in kthread_create()." patch.

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Many kernel operations (e.g. mutex_lock() wait_event() wait_for_completion()) ignore SIGKILL and the current users depend on SIGKILL being ignored. Thus, commit 786235ee sounds like a kernel API breakage.

Personally I do not really think so, but OK. In this case lets revert 786235ee.

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Commit 786235ee "kthread: make kthread_create() killable" changed to leave kthread_create() as soon as receiving SIGKILL. But this change caused boot failures because systemd-udevd receives SIGKILL due to timeout while loading SCSI controller drivers using finit_module() [1].

And I still think that 786235ee simply uncovered the problems in this driver. Perhaps we should change kthread_create() for some reason, but (imho) not because we need to help the buggy code.

I don't mean to help the buggy code. The "kthread: Handle SIGKILL gracefully in kthread_create()." patch (or revert commit 786235ee) is short term solution (especially for distributions which the date of kernel freeze is approaching).

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Therefore, this patch changes kthread_create() from "wait forever in killable state" to "wait for 10 seconds in unkillable state, check for the OOM killer every second".

Personally I dislike this change. In fact I think it is ugly. But this is only my opinion.

If you convince someone to take this patch I won't argue.

#32 lore raw
In reply to Joseph Salisbury
Quoted 18 lines · On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 16:46:26 -0400 Joseph Salisbury…

Hi Tetsuo,

A kernel bug report was opened against Ubuntu[0]. We performed a kernel bisect, and found that reverting the following commit resolved this bug:

commit 786235eeba0e1e85e5cbbb9f97d1087ad03dfa21

Author: Tetsuo Handa <[email protected]>
Date:   Tue Nov 12 15:06:45 2013 -0800

kthread: make kthread_create() killable

The regression was introduced as of v3.13-rc1.

The bug indicates an issue with the SAS controller during initialization, which prevents the system from booting. Additional details are available in the bug report or on request.

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I was hoping to get your feedback, since you are the patch author. Do you think gathering any additional data will help diagnose this issue, or would it be best to submit a revert request?

[0] http://pad.lv/1276705

What process is running here? Presumably modprobe.

A possible explanation is that modprobe has genuinely received a SIGKILL. Can you identify anything in this setup which might send a SIGKILL to the modprobe process?

kthread_create_on_node() thinks that SIGKILL came from the oom-killer and it cheerfully returns -ENOMEM, which is incorrect if that signal came from userspace. And I don't _think_ we prevent userspace-originated signals from unblocking wait_for_completion_killable()?

Root cause time: it's wrong for the oom-killer to use SIGKILL. In fact it's basically always wrong to send signals from in-kernel. Signals are a userspace IPC mechanism and using them in-kernel a) makes it hard (or impossible) to distinguish them from userspace-originated signals and b) permits userspace to produce surprising results in the kernel, which I suspect is what we're seeing here.

#33 lore raw
Quoted 25 lines · Andrew Morton
Quoted 22 lines · On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 16:46:26 -0400 Joseph Salisbury…

Hi Tetsuo,

A kernel bug report was opened against Ubuntu[0]. We performed a kernel bisect, and found that reverting the following commit resolved this bug:

commit 786235eeba0e1e85e5cbbb9f97d1087ad03dfa21

Author: Tetsuo Handa <[email protected]>
Date:   Tue Nov 12 15:06:45 2013 -0800

kthread: make kthread_create() killable

The regression was introduced as of v3.13-rc1.

The bug indicates an issue with the SAS controller during initialization, which prevents the system from booting. Additional details are available in the bug report or on request.

I was hoping to get your feedback, since you are the patch author. Do you think gathering any additional data will help diagnose this issue, or would it be best to submit a revert request?

Quoted 7 lines
Quoted 1 line

[0] http://pad.lv/1276705

What process is running here? Presumably modprobe.

A possible explanation is that modprobe has genuinely received a SIGKILL. Can you identify anything in this setup which might send a SIGKILL to the modprobe process?

See also other discussion in this thread, I thinks the code in drivers/ is buggy anyway.

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kthread_create_on_node() thinks that SIGKILL came from the oom-killer and it cheerfully returns -ENOMEM, which is incorrect if that signal came from userspace.

Yes, I think it should return -EINTR.

Quoted 3 lines

And I don't _think_ we prevent
userspace-originated signals from unblocking
wait_for_completion_killable()?

And we should not.

Quoted 1 line

Root cause time: it's wrong for the oom-killer to use SIGKILL.

Not sure... what else?

Quoted 2 lines

In fact
it's basically always wrong to send signals from in-kernel.

Well, SIGSEGV, SIGIO...

Quoted 5 lines

Signals
are a userspace IPC mechanism and using them in-kernel a) makes it hard (or impossible) to distinguish them from userspace-originated signals and b) permits userspace to produce surprising results in the kernel, which I suspect is what we're seeing here.

Well, I think in this case it doesn't matter who/why sends a signal. The task is killed, it should react and exit asap. And kthread_create() can fail in any case, at least the kernel should not crash.

Oleg.

#34 lore raw
Quoted 10 lines · On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:19:19 +0100 Oleg Nesterov <[email protected]> wrote:
Quoted 3 lines

kthread_create_on_node() thinks that SIGKILL came from the oom-killer and it cheerfully returns -ENOMEM, which is incorrect if that signal came from userspace.

Yes, I think it should return -EINTR.

Quoted 3 lines

And I don't _think_ we prevent
userspace-originated signals from unblocking
wait_for_completion_killable()?

Quoted 5 lines

And we should not.

Quoted 1 line

Root cause time: it's wrong for the oom-killer to use SIGKILL.

Not sure... what else?

If we really really have to use userspace IPC in the kernel then I suppose we could add a new signal type (SIGKERNEL?) which userspace can neither receive nor send.

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In fact
it's basically always wrong to send signals from in-kernel.

Well, SIGSEGV, SIGIO...

Those are kernel->userspace, not kernel->kernel.

We have all sorts of cross-task mechanisms available in kernel (set_bit and wake_up would suffice here) so we don't need to use signals with all the baggage they bring along.

We used to do a lot more kernel signalling, but quite a lot got weeded out years ago. The favorite failure mode was for a task to use TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE so that a kernel-sent signal could wake it up. Whoops, drivers would outright fail if the calling task happened to have SIGINT pending!

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Signals
are a userspace IPC mechanism and using them in-kernel a) makes it hard (or impossible) to distinguish them from userspace-originated signals and b) permits userspace to produce surprising results in the kernel, which I suspect is what we're seeing here.

Well, I think in this case it doesn't matter who/why sends a signal. The task is killed, it should react and exit asap. And kthread_create() can fail in any case, at least the kernel should not crash.

Well yes. In this "bug", userspace tried to kill udev and surprise surprise, that's what happened. The only real kernel bug here is the incorrect errno. But in the real world, the kernel changed and systems broke - we should try to unbreak them.

#35 lore raw
Quoted 10 lines · Andrew Morton
Quoted 3 lines · On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:19:19 +0100 Oleg Nesterov <[email protected]> wrote:
Quoted 1 line

Root cause time: it's wrong for the oom-killer to use SIGKILL.

Not sure... what else?

If we really really have to use userspace IPC in the kernel then I suppose we could add a new signal type (SIGKERNEL?) which userspace can neither receive nor send.

But for what?

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In fact
it's basically always wrong to send signals from in-kernel.

Well, SIGSEGV, SIGIO...

Those are kernel->userspace, not kernel->kernel.

OK, this is probably true.

Quoted 3 lines

We have all sorts of cross-task mechanisms available in kernel (set_bit and wake_up would suffice here) so we don't need to use signals with all the baggage they bring along.

but why do we need another mechanism if we want terminate the task for any reason?

OK. Perhaps the killed task wants to know if it was killed by kernel or user-space... Not sure we really need this, but OK. We can add the SIGNAL_GROUP_KILLED_BY_KERNEL flag. But it is not clear if we want TASK_WAKEKILL_BY_KERNEL or not... And probably I missed your point.

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Well, I think in this case it doesn't matter who/why sends a signal. The task is killed, it should react and exit asap. And kthread_create() can fail in any case, at least the kernel should not crash.

Well yes. In this "bug", userspace tried to kill udev and surprise surprise, that's what happened. The only real kernel bug here is the incorrect errno.

and the kernel crash in mptsas_probe's error paths. This should be fixed. And it seems that this driver has more problems, but I can be wrong.

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But in the real world, the kernel changed and systems broke - we should try to unbreak them.

Yes, yes, sure. But so far I think we should uglify the driver or scsi (unless we have the right fix), not the poor kthread_create().

Oleg.

#36 lore raw

PATCH 1/1 kthread: Fix return value of kthread_create() upon SIGKILL.

In reply to Oleg Nesterov
Quoted 1 line

From c41fa0b9294900a86167d6c8db392d99dde09774 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001

From: Tetsuo Handa <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 21:46:24 +0900
Subject: [PATCH] kthread: Fix return value of kthread_create() upon SIGKILL.

Commit 786235eeb "kthread: make kthread_create() killable" meant for allowing kthread_create() to abort as soon as killed by the OOM-killer. But returning -ENOMEM is wrong if killed by SIGKILL from userspace. Change kthread_create() to return -EINTR upon SIGKILL.

Cc Oleg Nesterov <[email protected]>
Cc David Rientjes <[email protected]>
Cc stable <[email protected]> [3.13+]
---
 kernel/kthread.c |    4 ++--
 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
kernel/kthread.c +2 -2
index 9a130ec..c2390f4 100644
@@ -262,7 +262,7 @@ static void create_kthread(struct kthread_create_info *create)
  * kthread_stop() has been called).  The return value should be zero
  * or a negative error number; it will be passed to kthread_stop().
  *
- * Returns a task_struct or ERR_PTR(-ENOMEM).
+ * Returns a task_struct or ERR_PTR(-ENOMEM) or ERR_PTR(-EINTR).
  */
 struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data),
 					   void *data, int node,
@@ -298,7 +298,7 @@ struct task_struct *kthread_create_on_node(int (*threadfn)(void *data),
 		 * that thread.
 		 */
 		if (xchg(&create->done, NULL))
-			return ERR_PTR(-ENOMEM);
+			return ERR_PTR(-EINTR);
 		/*
 		 * kthreadd (or new kernel thread) will call complete()
 		 * shortly.
Signature · 1 line
1.7.1
Acked-by on v1 1/1
#37 lore raw

Re: [PATCH] kthread: Fix return value of kthread_create() upon SIGKILL.

Quoted 10 lines · Tetsuo Handa
Quoted 1 line

From c41fa0b9294900a86167d6c8db392d99dde09774 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001

From: Tetsuo Handa <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 21:46:24 +0900
Subject: [PATCH] kthread: Fix return value of kthread_create() upon SIGKILL.

Commit 786235eeb "kthread: make kthread_create() killable" meant for allowing kthread_create() to abort as soon as killed by the OOM-killer. But returning -ENOMEM is wrong if killed by SIGKILL from userspace. Change kthread_create() to return -EINTR upon SIGKILL.

Quoted 4 lines
Cc Oleg Nesterov <[email protected]>
Cc David Rientjes <[email protected]>
Cc stable <[email protected]> [3.13+]
#38 lore raw

Re: [v3.13][v3.14][Regression] kthread: make kthread_create()killable

In reply to Andrew Morton
Quoted 1 line · Andrew Morton

What process is running here? Presumably modprobe.

Yes. It is a worker systemd-udevd process who is acting like modprobe .

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A possible explanation is that modprobe has genuinely received a SIGKILL. Can you identify anything in this setup which might send a SIGKILL to the modprobe process?

It is the systemd-udevd process who is sending SIGKILL to worker systemd-udevd processes. It uses hard coded 30 seconds timeout.

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kthread_create_on_node() thinks that SIGKILL came from the oom-killer and it cheerfully returns -ENOMEM, which is incorrect if that signal came from userspace. And I don't _think_ we prevent userspace-originated signals from unblocking wait_for_completion_killable()?

I prefer processes being killed upon SIGKILL as soon as possible. I expect any unkillable operations should be replaced with killable operations, or the OOM killer may fail to solve no memory state by choosing a process in unkillable sleep.

#39 lore raw
In reply to Andrew Morton
Quoted 1 line

Root cause time: it's wrong for the oom-killer to use SIGKILL. In fact

It has to use SIGKILL anything else might be caught and grow the user stack a page..

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it's basically always wrong to send signals from in-kernel. Signals are a userspace IPC mechanism and using them in-kernel a) makes it hard (or impossible) to distinguish them from userspace-originated signals

Actually signals are a kernel messaging system someone repurposed for IPC.

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and b) permits userspace to produce surprising results in the kernel, which I suspect is what we're seeing here.

There is enough information for kernel side code to decide whether a signal came from kernel or userspace. Then again - it's not clear that it should ever have to.

Alan

#40 lore raw
Quoted 6 lines · One Thousand Gnomes
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and b) permits userspace to produce surprising results in the kernel, which I suspect is what we're seeing here.

There is enough information for kernel side code to decide whether a signal came from kernel or userspace.

Not really. SIGKILL can come without siginfo. Other signals too, but SIGKILL especially.

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Then again - it's not clear that it
should ever have to.

Yes, agreed.

Oleg.