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RFC PATCH In review Michal Hocko 3 participants 12 messages Jun 1, 2017 – Jun 5, 2017

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RFC PATCH 1/1 mm, memory_hotplug: support movable_node for hotplugable nodes

From: Michal Hocko <[email protected]>

movable_node kernel parameter allows to make hotplugable NUMA nodes to put all the hotplugable memory into movable zone which allows more or less reliable memory hotremove. At least this is the case for the NUMA nodes present during the boot (see find_zone_movable_pfns_for_nodes).

This is not the case for the memory hotplug, though.

echo online > /sys/devices/system/memory/memoryXYZ/status

will default to a kernel zone (usually ZONE_NORMAL) unless the particular memblock is already in the movable zone range which is not the case normally when onlining the memory from the udev rule context for a freshly hotadded NUMA node. The only option currently is to have a special udev rule to echo online_movable to all memblocks belonging to such a node which is rather clumsy. Not the mention this is inconsistent as well because what ended up in the movable zone during the boot will end up in a kernel zone after hotremove & hotadd without special care.

It would be nice to reuse memblock_is_hotpluggable but the runtime hotplug doesn't have that information available because the boot and hotplug paths are not shared and it would be really non trivial to make them use the same code path because the runtime hotplug doesn't play with the memblock allocator at all.

Teach move_pfn_range that MMOP_ONLINE_KEEP can use the movable zone if movable_node is enabled and the range doesn't overlap with the existing normal zone. This should provide a reasonable default onlining strategy.

Strictly speaking the semantic is not identical with the boot time initialization because find_zone_movable_pfns_for_nodes covers only the hotplugable range as described by the BIOS/FW. From my experience this is usually a full node though (except for Node0 which is special and never goes away completely). If this turns out to be a problem in the real life we can tweak the code to store hotplug flag into memblocks but let's keep this simple now.

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Hi,
I am sending this as an RFC because this is a user visible change change of behavior, strictly speaking. I believe it is a desirable change of behavior, thought, and it an explicit opt-in (kernel parameter) is required to see the change so I do not expect any breakage. I would still like to hear what other people think about this shift. I have tested it on a memory hotplug capable HW where the whole numa node can be hotremove/added.

Does anybody see any problem with the proposed semantic?

 mm/memory_hotplug.c | 19 ++++++++++++++++---
 1 file changed, 16 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
mm/memory_hotplug.c +16 -3
index b98fb0b3ae11..74d75583736c 100644
@@ -943,6 +943,19 @@ struct zone *default_zone_for_pfn(int nid, unsigned long start_pfn,
 	return &pgdat->node_zones[ZONE_NORMAL];
 }
 
+static inline bool movable_pfn_range(int nid, struct zone *default_zone,
+		unsigned long start_pfn, unsigned long nr_pages)
+{
+	if (!allow_online_pfn_range(nid, start_pfn, nr_pages,
+				MMOP_ONLINE_KERNEL))
+		return true;
+
+	if (!movable_node_is_enabled())
+		return false;
+
+	return !zone_intersects(default_zone, start_pfn, nr_pages);
+}
+
 /*
  * Associates the given pfn range with the given node and the zone appropriate
  * for the given online type.
@@ -958,10 +971,10 @@ static struct zone * __meminit move_pfn_range(int online_type, int nid,
 		/*
 		 * MMOP_ONLINE_KEEP defaults to MMOP_ONLINE_KERNEL but use
 		 * movable zone if that is not possible (e.g. we are within
-		 * or past the existing movable zone)
+		 * or past the existing movable zone). movable_node overrides
+		 * this default and defaults to movable zone
 		 */
-		if (!allow_online_pfn_range(nid, start_pfn, nr_pages,
-					MMOP_ONLINE_KERNEL))
+		if (movable_pfn_range(nid, zone, start_pfn, nr_pages))
 			zone = movable_zone;
 	} else if (online_type == MMOP_ONLINE_MOVABLE) {
 		zone = &pgdat->node_zones[ZONE_MOVABLE];
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Quoted 12 lines · Michal Hocko

From: Michal Hocko <[email protected]>

movable_node kernel parameter allows to make hotplugable NUMA nodes to put all the hotplugable memory into movable zone which allows more or less reliable memory hotremove. At least this is the case for the NUMA nodes present during the boot (see find_zone_movable_pfns_for_nodes).

This is not the case for the memory hotplug, though.

echo online > /sys/devices/system/memory/memoryXYZ/status

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will default to a kernel zone (usually ZONE_NORMAL) unless the particular memblock is already in the movable zone range which is not the case normally when onlining the memory from the udev rule context for a freshly hotadded NUMA node. The only option currently is to have a special udev rule to echo online_movable to all memblocks belonging to such a node which is rather clumsy. Not the mention this is inconsistent as well because what ended up in the movable zone during the boot will end up in a kernel zone after hotremove & hotadd without special care.

Yeah, it would be better if movable_node worked consistently for both boot and runtime hotplug.

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It would be nice to reuse memblock_is_hotpluggable but the runtime hotplug doesn't have that information available because the boot and hotplug paths are not shared and it would be really non trivial to make them use the same code path because the runtime hotplug doesn't play with the memblock allocator at all.

Teach move_pfn_range that MMOP_ONLINE_KEEP can use the movable zone if movable_node is enabled and the range doesn't overlap with the existing normal zone. This should provide a reasonable default onlining strategy.

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Strictly speaking the semantic is not identical with the boot time initialization because find_zone_movable_pfns_for_nodes covers only the hotplugable range as described by the BIOS/FW. From my experience this is usually a full node though (except for Node0 which is special and never goes away completely). If this turns out to be a problem in the real life we can tweak the code to store hotplug flag into memblocks but let's keep this simple now.

Simple should work, hopefully.
- if memory is hotplugged, it's obviously hotplugable, so we don't have to rely on BIOS description.
- there shouldn't be a reason to offline a non-removable (part of) node and online it back (which would move it from Normal to Movable after your patch?), right?

Vlastimil

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Quoted 1 line · Vlastimil Babka

On 06/01/2017 02:20 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:

[...]

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Strictly speaking the semantic is not identical with the boot time initialization because find_zone_movable_pfns_for_nodes covers only the hotplugable range as described by the BIOS/FW. From my experience this is usually a full node though (except for Node0 which is special and never goes away completely). If this turns out to be a problem in the real life we can tweak the code to store hotplug flag into memblocks but let's keep this simple now.

Simple should work, hopefully.
- if memory is hotplugged, it's obviously hotplugable, so we don't have to rely on BIOS description.

Not sure I understand. We do not have any information about the hotplug status at the time we do online.

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- there shouldn't be a reason to offline a non-removable (part of) node and online it back (which would move it from Normal to Movable after your patch?), right?

not really. If the memblock was inside a kernel zone it will stay there with a new online operation because we check for that explicitly.

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Quoted 7 lines · Michal Hocko
Quoted 3 lines · Vlastimil Babka

Simple should work, hopefully.
- if memory is hotplugged, it's obviously hotplugable, so we don't have to rely on BIOS description.

Not sure I understand. We do not have any information about the hotplug status at the time we do online.

The x86 SRAT (or the dt, on other platforms) can describe memory as hotpluggable. See memblock_mark_hotplug(). That's only for memory present at boot, though.

He's saying that since the memory was added after boot, it is by definition hotpluggable. There's no need to check for that marking/description.

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Quoted 6 lines · Reza Arbab
Quoted 5 lines · Michal Hocko
Quoted 3 lines · Vlastimil Babka

Simple should work, hopefully.
- if memory is hotplugged, it's obviously hotplugable, so we don't have to rely on BIOS description.

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Not sure I understand. We do not have any information about the hotplug status at the time we do online.

The x86 SRAT (or the dt, on other platforms) can describe memory as hotpluggable. See memblock_mark_hotplug(). That's only for memory present at boot, though.

Yes but lose that information after the memblock is gone and numa fully initialized. Or can we reconstruct that somehow?

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He's saying that since the memory was added after boot, it is by definition hotpluggable. There's no need to check for that marking/description.

Yes, but we do not know whether we are onlining memblocks from a boot time numa node or a fresh one which has been hotadded.

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Quoted 7 lines · Michal Hocko
Quoted 3 lines · Reza Arbab

The x86 SRAT (or the dt, on other platforms) can describe memory as hotpluggable. See memblock_mark_hotplug(). That's only for memory present at boot, though.

Yes but lose that information after the memblock is gone and numa fully initialized. Or can we reconstruct that somehow?

I'm not sure you'd have to. At boot time, those markings are used to determine the initial boundaries of ZONE_MOVABLE. So if you removed these memblocks, then readded them, they would still be in ZONE_MOVABLE.

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He's saying that since the memory was added after boot, it is by definition hotpluggable. There's no need to check for that marking/description.

Yes, but we do not know whether we are onlining memblocks from a boot time numa node or a fresh one which has been hotadded.

That's true.

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Quoted 6 lines · Reza Arbab
Quoted 5 lines · Michal Hocko
Quoted 3 lines · Reza Arbab

The x86 SRAT (or the dt, on other platforms) can describe memory as hotpluggable. See memblock_mark_hotplug(). That's only for memory present at boot, though.

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Yes but lose that information after the memblock is gone and numa fully initialized. Or can we reconstruct that somehow?

I'm not sure you'd have to. At boot time, those markings are used to determine the initial boundaries of ZONE_MOVABLE. So if you removed these memblocks, then readded them, they would still be in ZONE_MOVABLE.

Yes but that already works like that. I am nore interested in the case when the node goes away and it is added again. echo online > ... would result in a non-movable memory and that is the inconsistency I tried to call out in the changelog

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Quoted 10 lines · Michal Hocko
Quoted 9 lines · Reza Arbab
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Quoted 3 lines · Reza Arbab

The x86 SRAT (or the dt, on other platforms) can describe memory as hotpluggable. See memblock_mark_hotplug(). That's only for memory present at boot, though.

Yes but lose that information after the memblock is gone and numa fully initialized. Or can we reconstruct that somehow?

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I'm not sure you'd have to. At boot time, those markings are used to determine the initial boundaries of ZONE_MOVABLE. So if you removed these memblocks, then readded them, they would still be in ZONE_MOVABLE.

Yes but that already works like that. I am nore interested in the case when the node goes away and it is added again. echo online > ... would result in a non-movable memory and that is the inconsistency I tried to call out in the changelog

My bad. Should have read closer.

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Quoted 3 lines · Michal Hocko

Teach move_pfn_range that MMOP_ONLINE_KEEP can use the movable zone if movable_node is enabled and the range doesn't overlap with the existing normal zone. This should provide a reasonable default onlining strategy.

I like it. If your distro has some auto-onlining udev rule like

SUBSYSTEM=="memory", ACTION=="add", ATTR{state}=="offline", ATTR{state}="online"

You could get things onlined as movable just by putting movable_node in the boot params, without changing/modifying the rule.

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Quoted 11 lines · Reza Arbab
Quoted 3 lines · Michal Hocko

Teach move_pfn_range that MMOP_ONLINE_KEEP can use the movable zone if movable_node is enabled and the range doesn't overlap with the existing normal zone. This should provide a reasonable default onlining strategy.

I like it. If your distro has some auto-onlining udev rule like

SUBSYSTEM=="memory", ACTION=="add", ATTR{state}=="offline", ATTR{state}="online"

You could get things onlined as movable just by putting movable_node in the boot params, without changing/modifying the rule.

yes this is the primary point of the patch ;)

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Quoted 6 lines · Michal Hocko
Quoted 5 lines · Reza Arbab
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Teach move_pfn_range that MMOP_ONLINE_KEEP can use the movable zone if movable_node is enabled and the range doesn't overlap with the existing normal zone. This should provide a reasonable default onlining strategy.

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I like it. If your distro has some auto-onlining udev rule like

SUBSYSTEM=="memory", ACTION=="add", ATTR{state}=="offline", ATTR{state}="online"

You could get things onlined as movable just by putting movable_node in the boot params, without changing/modifying the rule.

yes this is the primary point of the patch ;)

Ha. What can I say, I like restating the obvious!

At some point after all these cleanups/improvements, it would be worth making sure Documentation/memory-hotplug.txt is still accurate.

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Are there any further comments? Can I post this for merging? I will update the documentation as well.

Quoted 97 lines · Michal Hocko

From: Michal Hocko <[email protected]>

movable_node kernel parameter allows to make hotplugable NUMA nodes to put all the hotplugable memory into movable zone which allows more or less reliable memory hotremove. At least this is the case for the NUMA nodes present during the boot (see find_zone_movable_pfns_for_nodes).

This is not the case for the memory hotplug, though.

echo online > /sys/devices/system/memory/memoryXYZ/status

will default to a kernel zone (usually ZONE_NORMAL) unless the particular memblock is already in the movable zone range which is not the case normally when onlining the memory from the udev rule context for a freshly hotadded NUMA node. The only option currently is to have a special udev rule to echo online_movable to all memblocks belonging to such a node which is rather clumsy. Not the mention this is inconsistent as well because what ended up in the movable zone during the boot will end up in a kernel zone after hotremove & hotadd without special care.

It would be nice to reuse memblock_is_hotpluggable but the runtime hotplug doesn't have that information available because the boot and hotplug paths are not shared and it would be really non trivial to make them use the same code path because the runtime hotplug doesn't play with the memblock allocator at all.

Teach move_pfn_range that MMOP_ONLINE_KEEP can use the movable zone if movable_node is enabled and the range doesn't overlap with the existing normal zone. This should provide a reasonable default onlining strategy.

Strictly speaking the semantic is not identical with the boot time initialization because find_zone_movable_pfns_for_nodes covers only the hotplugable range as described by the BIOS/FW. From my experience this is usually a full node though (except for Node0 which is special and never goes away completely). If this turns out to be a problem in the real life we can tweak the code to store hotplug flag into memblocks but let's keep this simple now.

---

Hi,
I am sending this as an RFC because this is a user visible change change of behavior, strictly speaking. I believe it is a desirable change of behavior, thought, and it an explicit opt-in (kernel parameter) is required to see the change so I do not expect any breakage. I would still like to hear what other people think about this shift. I have tested it on a memory hotplug capable HW where the whole numa node can be hotremove/added.

Does anybody see any problem with the proposed semantic?

 mm/memory_hotplug.c | 19 ++++++++++++++++---
 1 file changed, 16 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
mm/memory_hotplug.c +16 -3
index b98fb0b3ae11..74d75583736c 100644
@@ -943,6 +943,19 @@ struct zone *default_zone_for_pfn(int nid, unsigned long start_pfn,
 	return &pgdat->node_zones[ZONE_NORMAL];
 }
 
+static inline bool movable_pfn_range(int nid, struct zone *default_zone,
+		unsigned long start_pfn, unsigned long nr_pages)
+{
+	if (!allow_online_pfn_range(nid, start_pfn, nr_pages,
+				MMOP_ONLINE_KERNEL))
+		return true;
+
+	if (!movable_node_is_enabled())
+		return false;
+
+	return !zone_intersects(default_zone, start_pfn, nr_pages);
+}
+
 /*
  * Associates the given pfn range with the given node and the zone appropriate
  * for the given online type.
@@ -958,10 +971,10 @@ static struct zone * __meminit move_pfn_range(int online_type, int nid,
 		/*
 		 * MMOP_ONLINE_KEEP defaults to MMOP_ONLINE_KERNEL but use
 		 * movable zone if that is not possible (e.g. we are within
-		 * or past the existing movable zone)
+		 * or past the existing movable zone). movable_node overrides
+		 * this default and defaults to movable zone
 		 */
-		if (!allow_online_pfn_range(nid, start_pfn, nr_pages,
-					MMOP_ONLINE_KERNEL))
+		if (movable_pfn_range(nid, zone, start_pfn, nr_pages))
 			zone = movable_zone;
 	} else if (online_type == MMOP_ONLINE_MOVABLE) {
 		zone = &pgdat->node_zones[ZONE_MOVABLE];
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