Avoid speculative indirect calls in kernel
Subsystems (11)
This is a fix for Variant 2 in
https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2018/01/reading-privileged-memory-with-side.html
Any speculative indirect calls in the kernel can be tricked to execute any kernel code, which may allow side channel attacks that can leak arbitrary kernel data.
So we want to avoid speculative indirect calls in the kernel.
There's a special code sequence called a retpoline that can do indirect calls without speculation. We use a new compiler option -mindirect-branch=thunk-extern (gcc patch will be released separately) to recompile the kernel with this new sequence.
We also patch all the assembler code in the kernel to use the new sequence.
The patches were originally from David Woodhouse and Tim Chen, but then reworked and enhanced by me.
No performance numbers at this point. 32bit is only boot tested.
Git tree available ingit://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/ak/linux-misc spec/retpoline-415-1
v1: Initial post.
PATCH 1/11 x86/retpoline: Define retpoline indirect thunk and macros
From: Dave Hansen <[email protected]>
From: David Woodhouse <[email protected]>
retpoline is a special sequence on Intel CPUs to stop speculation for indirect branches.
Provide assembler infrastructure to use retpoline by the compiler and for assembler. We add the out of line trampoline used by the compiler, and NOSPEC_JUMP / NOSPEC_CALL macros for assembler
[Originally from David and Tim, heavily hacked by AK]
--- arch/x86/include/asm/jump-asm.h | 47 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ arch/x86/kernel/vmlinux.lds.S | 1 + arch/x86/lib/Makefile | 1 + arch/x86/lib/retpoline.S | 35 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 4 files changed, 84 insertions(+) create mode 100644 arch/x86/include/asm/jump-asm.h create mode 100644 arch/x86/lib/retpoline.S
arch/x86/include/asm/jump-asm.h new file +47 -0
@@ -0,0 +1,47 @@ +/* SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0 */ +#ifndef JUMP_ASM_H +#define JUMP_ASM_H 1 + +#ifdef __ASSEMBLY__ + +/* +* Jump to an indirect pointer without speculation. +* +* The out of line __x86.indirect_thunk has special code sequences +* to stop speculation. +*/ + +.macro NOSPEC_JMP target + push \target + jmp __x86.indirect_thunk +.endm + + +/* + * Call an indirect pointer without speculation. + */ + +.macro NOSPEC_CALL target + jmp 1221f +1222: + push \target + jmp __x86.indirect_thunk +1221: + call 1222b +.endm + +#else /* __ASSEMBLY__ */ + +#define NOSPEC_JUMP (t) \ + "push " t "; " \ + "jmp __x86.indirect_thunk; " + +#define NOSPEC_CALL (t) \ + " jmp 1221f; " \ + "1222: push " t ";" \ + " jmp __x86.indirect_thunk;" \ + "1221: call 1222b;" + +#endif /* !__ASSEMBLY */ + +#endif
arch/x86/kernel/vmlinux.lds.S +1 -0
@@ -103,6 +103,7 @@ SECTIONS /* bootstrapping code */ HEAD_TEXT . = ALIGN(8); + *(.text.__x86.indirect_thunk) TEXT_TEXT SCHED_TEXT CPUIDLE_TEXT
arch/x86/lib/Makefile +1 -0
@@ -26,6 +26,7 @@ lib-y += memcpy_$(BITS).o lib-$(CONFIG_RWSEM_XCHGADD_ALGORITHM) += rwsem.o lib-$(CONFIG_INSTRUCTION_DECODER) += insn.o inat.o insn-eval.o lib-$(CONFIG_RANDOMIZE_BASE) += kaslr.o +lib-y += retpoline.o obj-y += msr.o msr-reg.o msr-reg-export.o hweight.o
arch/x86/lib/retpoline.S new file +35 -0
@@ -0,0 +1,35 @@ +/* SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0 */ + +/* + * Out of line jump trampoline for calls that disable speculation. + * + * This is a special sequence that prevents the CPU speculating + * for indirect calls. + * + * This can be called by gcc generated code, or with the asm macros + * in asm/jump-asm.h + */ + +#include <linux/linkage.h> +#include <asm/dwarf2.h> +#include <asm/export.h> + + .section .text.__x86.indirect_thunk,"ax" + +ENTRY(__x86.indirect_thunk) + CFI_STARTPROC + call retpoline_call_target +2: + lfence /* stop speculation */ + jmp 2b +retpoline_call_target: +#ifdef CONFIG_64BIT + lea 8(%rsp), %rsp +#else + lea 4(%esp), %esp +#endif + ret + CFI_ENDPROC +ENDPROC(__x86.indirect_thunk) + + EXPORT_SYMBOL(__x86.indirect_thunk)
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2.14.3
PATCH 2/11 x86/retpoline/crypto: Convert crypto assembler indirect jumps
In reply to Andi KleenFrom: Andi Kleen <[email protected]>
Convert all indirect jumps in crypto assembler code to use non speculative sequences.
Based on code from David Woodhouse and Tim Chen
--- arch/x86/crypto/aesni-intel_asm.S | 5 +++-- arch/x86/crypto/camellia-aesni-avx-asm_64.S | 3 ++- arch/x86/crypto/camellia-aesni-avx2-asm_64.S | 2 +- arch/x86/crypto/crc32c-pcl-intel-asm_64.S | 3 ++- 4 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
arch/x86/crypto/aesni-intel_asm.S +3 -2
@@ -32,6 +32,7 @@ #include <linux/linkage.h> #include <asm/inst.h> #include <asm/frame.h> +#include <asm/jump-asm.h> /* * The following macros are used to move an (un)aligned 16 byte value to/from
@@ -2884,7 +2885,7 @@ ENTRY(aesni_xts_crypt8) pxor INC, STATE4 movdqu IV, 0x30(OUTP) - call *%r11 + NOSPEC_CALL %r11 movdqu 0x00(OUTP), INC pxor INC, STATE1
@@ -2929,7 +2930,7 @@ ENTRY(aesni_xts_crypt8) _aesni_gf128mul_x_ble() movups IV, (IVP) - call *%r11 + NOSPEC_CALL %r11 movdqu 0x40(OUTP), INC pxor INC, STATE1
arch/x86/crypto/camellia-aesni-avx-asm_64.S +2 -1
@@ -17,6 +17,7 @@ #include <linux/linkage.h> #include <asm/frame.h> +#include <asm/jump-asm.h> #define CAMELLIA_TABLE_BYTE_LEN 272
@@ -1227,7 +1228,7 @@ camellia_xts_crypt_16way: vpxor 14 * 16(%rax), %xmm15, %xmm14; vpxor 15 * 16(%rax), %xmm15, %xmm15; - call *%r9; + NOSPEC_CALL %r9; addq $(16 * 16), %rsp;
arch/x86/crypto/camellia-aesni-avx2-asm_64.S +1 -1
@@ -1343,7 +1343,7 @@ camellia_xts_crypt_32way: vpxor 14 * 32(%rax), %ymm15, %ymm14; vpxor 15 * 32(%rax), %ymm15, %ymm15; - call *%r9; + NOSPEC_CALL %r9; addq $(16 * 32), %rsp;
arch/x86/crypto/crc32c-pcl-intel-asm_64.S +2 -1
@@ -45,6 +45,7 @@ #include <asm/inst.h> #include <linux/linkage.h> +#include <asm/jump-asm.h> ## ISCSI CRC 32 Implementation with crc32 and pclmulqdq Instruction
@@ -172,7 +173,7 @@ continue_block: movzxw (bufp, %rax, 2), len lea crc_array(%rip), bufp lea (bufp, len, 1), bufp - jmp *bufp + NOSPEC_JMP bufp ################################################################ ## 2a) PROCESS FULL BLOCKS:
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2.14.3
PATCH 3/11 x86/retpoline/entry: Convert entry assembler indirect jumps
In reply to Andi KleenFrom: Andi Kleen <[email protected]>
Convert all indirect jumps in core 32/64bit entry assembler code to use non speculative sequences.
Based on code from David Woodhouse and Tim Chen
--- arch/x86/entry/entry_32.S | 5 +++-- arch/x86/entry/entry_64.S | 12 +++++++----- 2 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
arch/x86/entry/entry_32.S +3 -2
@@ -44,6 +44,7 @@ #include <asm/asm.h> #include <asm/smap.h> #include <asm/frame.h> +#include <asm/jump-asm.h> .section .entry.text, "ax"
@@ -290,7 +291,7 @@ ENTRY(ret_from_fork) /* kernel thread */ 1: movl %edi, %eax - call *%ebx + NOSPEC_CALL %ebx /* * A kernel thread is allowed to return here after successfully * calling do_execve(). Exit to userspace to complete the execve()
@@ -919,7 +920,7 @@ common_exception: movl %ecx, %es TRACE_IRQS_OFF movl %esp, %eax # pt_regs pointer - call *%edi + NOSPEC_CALL %edi jmp ret_from_exception END(common_exception)
arch/x86/entry/entry_64.S +7 -5
@@ -37,6 +37,7 @@ #include <asm/pgtable_types.h> #include <asm/export.h> #include <asm/frame.h> +#include <asm/jump-asm.h> #include <linux/err.h> #include "calling.h"
@@ -191,7 +192,7 @@ ENTRY(entry_SYSCALL_64_trampoline) */ pushq %rdi movq $entry_SYSCALL_64_stage2, %rdi - jmp *%rdi + NOSPEC_JMP %rdi END(entry_SYSCALL_64_trampoline) .popsection
@@ -269,8 +270,9 @@ entry_SYSCALL_64_fastpath: * This call instruction is handled specially in stub_ptregs_64. * It might end up jumping to the slow path. If it jumps, RAX * and all argument registers are clobbered. - */ - call *sys_call_table(, %rax, 8) + */ + movq sys_call_table(, %rax, 8), %rax + NOSPEC_CALL %rax .Lentry_SYSCALL_64_after_fastpath_call: movq %rax, RAX(%rsp)
@@ -442,7 +444,7 @@ ENTRY(stub_ptregs_64) jmp entry_SYSCALL64_slow_path 1: - jmp *%rax /* Called from C */ + NOSPEC_JMP %rax /* Called from C */ END(stub_ptregs_64) .macro ptregs_stub func
@@ -521,7 +523,7 @@ ENTRY(ret_from_fork) 1: /* kernel thread */ movq %r12, %rdi - call *%rbx + NOSPEC_CALL %rbx /* * A kernel thread is allowed to return here after successfully * calling do_execve(). Exit to userspace to complete the execve()
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2.14.3
PATCH 4/11 x86/retpoline/ftrace: Convert ftrace assembler indirect jumps
In reply to Andi KleenFrom: Andi Kleen <[email protected]>
Convert all indirect jumps in ftrace assembler code to use non speculative sequences.
Based on code from David Woodhouse and Tim Chen
--- arch/x86/kernel/ftrace_32.S | 3 ++- arch/x86/kernel/ftrace_64.S | 6 +++--- 2 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
arch/x86/kernel/ftrace_32.S +2 -1
@@ -8,6 +8,7 @@ #include <asm/segment.h> #include <asm/export.h> #include <asm/ftrace.h> +#include <asm/jump-asm.h> #ifdef CC_USING_FENTRY # define function_hook __fentry__
@@ -241,5 +242,5 @@ return_to_handler: movl %eax, %ecx popl %edx popl %eax - jmp *%ecx + NOSPEC_JMP %ecx #endif
arch/x86/kernel/ftrace_64.S +3 -3
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@ #include <asm/ptrace.h> #include <asm/ftrace.h> #include <asm/export.h> - +#include <asm/jump-asm.h> .code64 .section .entry.text, "ax"
@@ -286,7 +286,7 @@ trace: * ip and parent ip are used and the list function is called when * function tracing is enabled. */ - call *ftrace_trace_function + NOSPEC_CALL ftrace_trace_function restore_mcount_regs
@@ -329,5 +329,5 @@ GLOBAL(return_to_handler) movq 8(%rsp), %rdx movq (%rsp), %rax addq $24, %rsp - jmp *%rdi + NOSPEC_JMP %rdi #endif
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2.14.3
PATCH 5/11 x86/retpoline/hyperv: Convert assembler indirect jumps
In reply to Andi KleenFrom: Andi Kleen <[email protected]>
Convert all indirect jumps in hyperv inline asm code to use non speculative sequences.
Based on code from David Woodhouse and Tim Chen
--- arch/x86/include/asm/mshyperv.h | 9 +++++---- 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
arch/x86/include/asm/mshyperv.h +5 -4
@@ -7,6 +7,7 @@#include <linux/nmi.h> #include <asm/io.h> #include <asm/hyperv.h> +#include <asm/jump-asm.h> /* * The below CPUID leaves are present if VersionAndFeatures.HypervisorPresent
@@ -186,7 +187,7 @@ static inline u64 hv_do_hypercall(u64 control, void *input, void *output)return U64_MAX ; __asm__ __volatile__("mov %4, %%r8\n" -"call *%5" + NOSPEC_CALL("%5") : "=a" (hv_status), ASM_CALL_CONSTRAINT," +c" (control), " +d" (input_address) : "r" (output_address), "m" (hv_hypercall_pg)
@@ -200,7 +201,7 @@ static inline u64 hv_do_hypercall(u64 control, void *input, void *output)if (!hv_hypercall_pg)return U64_MAX ; - __asm__ __volatile__("call *%7" + __asm__ __volatile__(NOSPEC_CALL("%7") : "=A" (hv_status), "+c" (input_address_lo), ASM_CALL_CONSTRAINT : "A" (control),
@@ -227,7 +228,7 @@ static inline u64 hv_do_fast_hypercall8(u16 code, u64 input1)#ifdef CONFIG_X86_64 { - __asm__ __volatile__("call *%4" + __asm__ __volatile__(NOSPEC_CALL("%4") : "=a" (hv_status), ASM_CALL_CONSTRAINT, "+c" (control), "+d" (input1) : "m" (hv_hypercall_pg)
@@ -238,7 +239,7 @@ static inline u64 hv_do_fast_hypercall8(u16 code, u64 input1)u32 input1_hi =upper_32_bits (input1);u32 input1_lo =lower_32_bits (input1); - __asm__ __volatile__ ("call *%5" + __asm__ __volatile__ (NOSPEC_CALL("%5") : "=A"(hv_status),"+c" (input1_lo),ASM_CALL_CONSTRAINT
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2.14.3
PATCH 6/11 x86/retpoline/crypto: Convert xen assembler indirect jumps
In reply to Andi KleenFrom: Andi Kleen <[email protected]>
Convert all indirect jumps in xen inline assembler code to use non speculative sequences.
Based on code from David Woodhouse and Tim Chen
--- arch/x86/crypto/camellia-aesni-avx2-asm_64.S | 1 + arch/x86/include/asm/xen/hypercall.h | 3 ++- 2 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
arch/x86/crypto/camellia-aesni-avx2-asm_64.S +1 -0
@@ -12,6 +12,7 @@ #include <linux/linkage.h> #include <asm/frame.h> +#include <asm/jump-asm.h> #define CAMELLIA_TABLE_BYTE_LEN 272
arch/x86/include/asm/xen/hypercall.h +2 -1
@@ -44,6 +44,7 @@#include <asm/page.h> #include <asm/pgtable.h> #include <asm/smap.h> +#include <asm/jump-asm.h> #include <xen/interface/xen.h> #include <xen/interface/sched.h>
@@ -217,7 +218,7 @@ privcmd_call(unsigned call,__HYPERCALL_5ARG (a1, a2, a3, a4, a5);stac (); - asmvolatile ("call *%[call]" + asm volatile(NOSPEC_CALL("%[call]") : __HYPERCALL_5PARAM : [call] "a" (&hypercall_page[call]) : __HYPERCALL_CLOBBER5);
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2.14.3
PATCH 7/11 x86/retpoline/checksum32: Convert assembler indirect jumps
In reply to Andi KleenFrom: Andi Kleen <[email protected]>
Convert all indirect jumps in 32bit checksum assembler code to use non speculative sequences.
Based on code from David Woodhouse and Tim Chen
--- arch/x86/lib/checksum_32.S | 5 +++-- 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
arch/x86/lib/checksum_32.S +3 -2
@@ -29,6 +29,7 @@ #include <asm/errno.h> #include <asm/asm.h> #include <asm/export.h> +#include <asm/jump-asm.h> /* * computes a partial checksum, e.g. for TCP/UDP fragments
@@ -156,7 +157,7 @@ ENTRY(csum_partial) negl %ebx lea 45f(%ebx,%ebx,2), %ebx testl %esi, %esi - jmp *%ebx + NOSPEC_JMP %ebx # Handle 2-byte-aligned regions 20: addw (%esi), %ax
@@ -439,7 +440,7 @@ ENTRY(csum_partial_copy_generic) andl $-32,%edx lea 3f(%ebx,%ebx), %ebx testl %esi, %esi - jmp *%ebx + NOSPEC_JMP %ebx 1: addl $64,%esi addl $64,%edi SRC(movb -32(%edx),%bl) ; SRC(movb (%edx),%bl)
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2.14.3
PATCH 8/11 x86/retpoline/irq32: Convert assembler indirect jumps
In reply to Andi KleenFrom: Andi Kleen <[email protected]>
Convert all indirect jumps in 32bit irq inline asm code to use non speculative sequences.
--- arch/x86/kernel/irq_32.c | 5 +++-- 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
arch/x86/kernel/irq_32.c +3 -2
@@ -20,6 +20,7 @@#include <linux/mm.h> #include <asm/apic.h> +#include <asm/jump-asm.h> #ifdef CONFIG_DEBUG_STACKOVERFLOW
@@ -55,7 +56,7 @@ DEFINE_PER_CPU(struct irq_stack *, softirq_stack);static void call_on_stack (void *func,void *stack) { asmvolatile ("xchgl %%ebx,%%esp \n" - "call *%%edi \n" + NOSPEC_CALL("%%edi") "movl %%ebx,%%esp \n" : "=b" (stack) : "0" (stack),
@@ -95,7 +96,7 @@ static inline int execute_on_irq_stack(int overflow, struct irq_desc *desc)call_on_stack (print_stack_overflow, isp); asmvolatile ("xchgl %%ebx,%%esp \n" - "call *%%edi \n" + NOSPEC_CALL("%%edi") "movl %%ebx,%%esp \n" : "=a" (arg1), "=b" (isp) : "0" (desc), "1" (isp),
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2.14.3
PATCH 9/11 x86/retpoline: Finally enable retpoline for C code
In reply to Andi KleenFrom: Dave Hansen <[email protected]>
From: David Woodhouse <[email protected]>
Add retpoline compile option in Makefile
Update Makefile with retpoline compile options. This requires a gcc with the retpoline compiler patches enabled.
Print a warning when the compiler doesn't support retpoline
[Originally from David and Tim, but hacked by AK]
--- arch/x86/Makefile | 9 +++++++++ 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+)
arch/x86/Makefile +9 -0
@@ -230,6 +230,15 @@ KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Wno-sign-compare # KBUILD_CFLAGS += -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables +# +RETPOLINE_CFLAGS += $(call cc-option,-mindirect-branch=thunk-extern) +ifneq ($(RETPOLINE_CFLAGS),) + KBUILD_CFLAGS += $(RETPOLINE_CFLAGS) -DRETPOLINE + KBUILD_AFLAGS += -DRETPOLINE +else + $(warning Retpoline not supported in compiler. Kernel may be insecure.) +endif + archscripts: scripts_basic $(Q)$(MAKE) $(build)=arch/x86/tools relocs
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2.14.3
Re: [PATCH 09/11] x86/retpoline: Finally enable retpoline for C code
Quoted 3 lines · Andi Kleen
From: Dave Hansen <[email protected]>
From: David Woodhouse <[email protected]>
We do now accept "Co-Developed-by:" in the signed-off-by area to handle patches that are worked on by multiple people.
thanks,
greg k-h
Re: [PATCH 09/11] x86/retpoline: Finally enable retpoline for C code
Quoted 6 lines · Greg KH
Quoted 3 lines · Andi Kleen
From: Dave Hansen <[email protected]>
From: David Woodhouse <[email protected]>
We do now accept "Co-Developed-by:" in the signed-off-by area to handle patches that are worked on by multiple people.
FWIW, this was probably just some artifact from some stupid scripts on my end and going from quilt to git a few times. I didn't do anything useful here.
PATCH 10/11 retpoline/taint: Taint kernel for missing retpoline in compiler
In reply to Andi KleenFrom: Andi Kleen <[email protected]>
When the kernel or a module hasn't been compiled with a retpoline aware compiler, print a warning and set a taint flag.
For modules it is checked at compile time, however it cannot check assembler or other non compiled objects used in the module link.
Due to lack of better letter it uses taint option 'Z'
--- Documentation/admin-guide/tainted-kernels.rst | 3 +++ arch/x86/kernel/setup.c | 6 ++++++ include/linux/kernel.h | 4 +++- kernel/module.c | 11 ++++++++++- kernel/panic.c | 1 + scripts/mod/modpost.c | 9 +++++++++ 6 files changed, 32 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
Documentation/admin-guide/tainted-kernels.rst +3 -0
@@ -52,6 +52,9 @@ characters, each representing a particular tainted value. 16) ``K`` if the kernel has been live patched. + 17) ``Z`` if the x86 kernel or a module hasn't been compiled with + a retpoline aware compiler and may be vulnerable to data leaks. + The primary reason for the **'Tainted: '** string is to tell kernel debuggers if this is a clean kernel or if anything unusual has occurred. Tainting is permanent: even if an offending module is
arch/x86/kernel/setup.c +6 -0
@@ -1296,6 +1296,12 @@ void __init setup_arch(char **cmdline_p)#endif unwind_init (); + +#ifndef RETPOLINE +add_taint (TAINT_NO_RETPOLINE ,LOCKDEP_STILL_OK ); +pr_warn ("No support for retpoline in kernel compiler\n" ); +pr_warn ("Kernel may be vulnerable to data leaks.\n" ); +#endif }#ifdef CONFIG_X86_32
include/linux/kernel.h +3 -1
@@ -550,7 +550,9 @@ extern enum system_states {#define TAINT_SOFTLOCKUP 14#define TAINT_LIVEPATCH 15#define TAINT_AUX 16 -#define TAINT_FLAGS_COUNT 17 +#define TAINT_NO_RETPOLINE 17 + +#define TAINT_FLAGS_COUNT 18struct taint_flag {char c_true;/* character printed when tainted */
kernel/module.c +10 -1
@@ -3028,7 +3028,16 @@ static int check_modinfo(struct module *mod, struct load_info *info, int flags) mod->name);add_taint_module (mod,TAINT_OOT_MODULE ,LOCKDEP_STILL_OK ); } - +#ifdef RETPOLINE +if (!get_modinfo (info,"retpoline" )) { +if (!test_taint (TAINT_NO_RETPOLINE )) { +pr_warn ("%s: loading module not compiled with retpoline compiler.\n" , + mod->name); +pr_warn ("Kernel may be vulnerable to data leaks.\n" ); + } +add_taint_module (mod,TAINT_NO_RETPOLINE ,LOCKDEP_STILL_OK ); + } +#endif if (get_modinfo (info,"staging" )) {add_taint_module (mod,TAINT_CRAP ,LOCKDEP_STILL_OK ); pr_warn("%s: module is from the staging directory, the quality "
kernel/panic.c +1 -0
@@ -325,6 +325,7 @@ const struct taint_flag taint_flags[TAINT_FLAGS_COUNT] = { { 'L', ' ', false }, /* TAINT_SOFTLOCKUP */ { 'K', ' ', true }, /* TAINT_LIVEPATCH */ { 'X', ' ', true }, /* TAINT_AUX */ + { 'Z', ' ', true }, /* TAINT_NO_RETPOLINE */ };/**
scripts/mod/modpost.c +9 -0
@@ -2165,6 +2165,14 @@ static void add_intree_flag(struct buffer *b, int is_intree)buf_printf (b,"\nMODULE_INFO(intree, \"Y\");\n" ); } +/* Cannot check for assembler */ +static void add_retpoline (struct buffer *b) +{ +buf_printf (b,"\n#ifdef RETPOLINE\n" ); +buf_printf (b,"MODULE_INFO(retpoline, \"Y\");\n" ); +buf_printf (b,"#endif\n" ); +} +static void add_staging_flag (struct buffer *b,const char *name) {static const char *staging_dir ="drivers/staging" ;
@@ -2506,6 +2514,7 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv) err |=check_modname_len (mod);add_header (&buf, mod);add_intree_flag (&buf, !external_module); +add_retpoline (&buf);add_staging_flag (&buf, mod->name); err |=add_versions (&buf, mod);add_depends (&buf, mod, modules);
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2.14.3
Re: [PATCH 10/11] retpoline/taint: Taint kernel for missing retpoline in compiler
arch/x86/kernel/setup.c void __init setup_arch(char **cmdline_p) · line 1303
Quoted 6 lines · Andi Kleen
arch/x86/kernel/setup.c +5
-0unwind_init (); + +#ifndef RETPOLINE +add_taint (TAINT_NO_RETPOLINE ,LOCKDEP_STILL_OK ); +pr_warn ("No support for retpoline in kernel compiler\n" ); +pr_warn ("Kernel may be vulnerable to data leaks.\n" );
That's blantantly wrong.
The kernel is not vulnerable to data leaks. The hardware is.
An that's what the CPU_BUG bit is for. If the mitigation is in place, activate the proper feature bit like we did with PTI
Thanks,
tglx
Randy Dunlap
reviewerRe: [PATCH 10/11] retpoline/taint: Taint kernel for missing retpoline in compiler
Quoted 11 lines · Thomas Gleixner
arch/x86/kernel/setup.c void __init setup_arch(char **cmdline_p) · line 1303
Quoted 6 lines · Andi Kleen
arch/x86/kernel/setup.c +5
-0unwind_init (); + +#ifndef RETPOLINE +add_taint (TAINT_NO_RETPOLINE ,LOCKDEP_STILL_OK ); +pr_warn ("No support for retpoline in kernel compiler\n" ); +pr_warn ("Kernel may be vulnerable to data leaks.\n" );That's blantantly wrong.
The kernel is not vulnerable to data leaks. The hardware is.
Well it's the kernel that is vulnerable. The warning doesn't say what is causing the vulnerability, unless it's the "kernel compiler."
Quoted 5 lines
An that's what the
CPU_BUGbit is for. If the mitigation is in place, activate the proper feature bit like we did with PTISo you say, that we finally need a perl interpreter in the kernel to do alternative patching?
Yes, Finally.
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PATCH 11/11 retpoline/objtool: Disable some objtool warnings
In reply to Andi KleenFrom: Andi Kleen <[email protected]>
With the indirect call thunk enabled compiler two objtool warnings are triggered very frequently and make the build very noisy.
I don't see a good way to avoid them, so just disable them for now.
--- tools/objtool/check.c | 11 +++++++++++ 1 file changed, 11 insertions(+)
tools/objtool/check.c +11 -0
@@ -503,8 +503,13 @@ static int add_call_destinations(struct objtool_file *file) insn->call_dest =find_symbol_by_offset (insn->sec, dest_off);if (!insn->call_dest) { +#if 0 +/* Compilers with -mindirect-branch=thunk-extern trigger +* this everywhere on x86. Disable for now. +*/ WARN_FUNC ("can't find call dest symbol at offset 0x%lx" , insn->sec, insn->offset, dest_off); +#endif return -1 ; } }else if (rela->sym->type ==STT_SECTION ) {
@@ -1716,8 +1721,14 @@ static int validate_branch(struct objtool_file *file, struct instruction *first,return 1 ; }else if (func &&has_modified_stack_frame (&state)) { +#if 0 +/* Compilers with -mindirect-branch=thunk-extern trigger +* this everywhere on x86. Disable for now. +*/ +WARN_FUNC ("sibling call from callable instruction with modified stack frame" , sec, insn->offset); +#endif return 1 ; }
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Quoted 6 lines · Andi Kleen
This is a fix for Variant 2 in
https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2018/01/reading-privileged-memory-with-side.htmlAny speculative indirect calls in the kernel can be tricked to execute any kernel code, which may allow side channel attacks that can leak arbitrary kernel data.
Why is this all done without any configuration options?
A *competent* CPU engineer would fix this by making sure speculation doesn't happen across protection domains. Maybe even a L1 I$ that is keyed by CPL.
I think somebody inside of Intel needs to really take a long hard look at their CPU's, and actually admit that they have issues instead of writing PR blurbs that say that everything works as designed.
.. and that really means that all these mitigation patches should be written with "not all CPU's are crap" in mind.
Or is Intel basically saying "we are committed to selling you shit forever and ever, and never fixing anything"?
Because if that's the case, maybe we should start looking towards the ARM64 people more.
Please talk to management. Because I really see exactly two possibibilities:
- Intel never intends to fix anything
OR
- these workarounds should have a way to disable them.
Which of the two is it?
Linus
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- these workarounds should have a way to disable them.
Which of the two is it?
The latter clearly - because there are processors today that don't have those problems because they are sufficiently dumb.
As for future products - you know perfectly well that none of the vendors can answer that here because of the US laws on public companies and forward looking statements.
Alan
Hi Linus,
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Quoted 6 lines · Andi Kleen
This is a fix for Variant 2 in
https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2018/01/reading-privileged-memory-with-side.htmlAny speculative indirect calls in the kernel can be tricked to execute any kernel code, which may allow side channel attacks that can leak arbitrary kernel data.
Why is this all done without any configuration options?
I was thinking of a config option, but I was struggling with a name.
CONFIG_INSECURE_KERNEL, CONFIG_LEAK_MEMORY?
And should it be positive or negative?
So I opted to be secure uncontionally.
It would be simple to add however, all hooks are either in the Makefile or in asm/jump-asm.h
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- these workarounds should have a way to disable them.
There will be soon patches to add other ways and they have a way to patch out most of the retpoline overhead at runtime (basically replace the trampoline with a pure ret)
We just wanted to get the retpoline code out first because it's the most basic and widest applicable fix.
-Andi
Quoted 9 lines · Andi Kleen
Quoted 8 lines · Linus Torvalds
Quoted 6 lines · Andi Kleen
This is a fix for Variant 2 in
https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2018/01/reading-privileged-memory-with-side.htmlAny speculative indirect calls in the kernel can be tricked to execute any kernel code, which may allow side channel attacks that can leak arbitrary kernel data.
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Why is this all done without any configuration options?
I was thinking of a config option, but I was struggling with a name.
CONFIG_INSECURE_KERNEL,CONFIG_LEAK_MEMORY?And should it be positive or negative?
It should be a CPU_BUG bit as we have for the other mess. And that can be used for patching.
Thanks,
tglx
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It should be a
CPU_BUGbit as we have for the other mess. And that can be used for patching.
It has to be done at compile time because it requires a compiler option.
Most of the indirect calls are in C code.
So it cannot just patched in, only partially out.
-Andi
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It should be a
CPU_BUGbit as we have for the other mess. And that can be used for patching.It has to be done at compile time because it requires a compiler option.
If gcc anotates indirect calls/jumps in a way that we could patch them using alternatives in runtime, that'd be enough.
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Quoted 5 lines · Jiri Kosina
Quoted 3 lines · Andi Kleen
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It should be a
CPU_BUGbit as we have for the other mess. And that can be used for patching.
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It has to be done at compile time because it requires a compiler option.
If gcc anotates indirect calls/jumps in a way that we could patch them using alternatives in runtime, that'd be enough.
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Jiri Kosina
SUSE Labs
I understand the GCC patches being discussed will fix the vulnerability because newly compiled kernels will be compiled with a GCC with these patches.
But, are the GCC patches being discussed also expected to fix the vulnerability because user binaries will be compiled using them? In such case, a binary could be maliciously changed back, or a custom GCC made with the patches reverted.
Please forgive me if my ignorance about all the related GCC patches makes this a stupid question.
Quoted 5 lines · james harvey
I understand the GCC patches being discussed will fix the vulnerability because newly compiled kernels will be compiled with a GCC with these patches.
The GCC patches work by eliminating all indirect branches, thus avoiding 'variant 2' of the three problems which have been discovered.
Note that we also need to eliminate all the indirect branches which occurred in native assembler code too, and provide the 'thunks' that GCC uses instead, which is why there's a series of kernel patches to go with it.
But building a kernel this way is *only* sufficient to protect the kernel. Attacks between userspace processes are still possible — you need the updated microcode, with branch-predictor flushes/restrictions, to protect existing userspace processes from each other.
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But, are the GCC patches being discussed also expected to fix the vulnerability because user binaries will be compiled using them?
It would be possible to do that. Sensitive userspace processes could be built this way, rendering them invulnerable to 'variant 2' attacks without the kernel having to use the microcode features.
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In such case, a binary could be maliciously changed back, or a custom GCC made with the patches reverted.
If the attacker can replace the sensitive binary, or replace the compiler with which the sensitive binary was compiled, then we have other problems. I'm not going to lose sleep over that.
Note that *none* of this addresses 'variant 1'. There's a separate patch series which addresses likely 'variant 1 gadgets' in the kernel, which I haven't seen posted in public yet. And I'm not sure what we do about that for userspace except extending the existing Coverity ruleset and teaching GCC to emit barriers automatically in the right places, which is a bit far-fetched right now. Elena?
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Quoted 5 lines · james harvey
I understand the GCC patches being discussed will fix the vulnerability because newly compiled kernels will be compiled with a GCC with these patches.
The GCC patches work by eliminating all indirect branches, thus avoiding 'variant 2' of the three problems which have been discovered.
Note that we also need to eliminate all the indirect branches which occurred in native assembler code too, and provide the 'thunks' that GCC uses instead, which is why there's a series of kernel patches to go with it.
But building a kernel this way is *only* sufficient to protect the kernel. Attacks between userspace processes are still possible — you need the updated microcode, with branch-predictor flushes/restrictions, to protect existing userspace processes from each other.
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But, are the GCC patches being discussed also expected to fix the vulnerability because user binaries will be compiled using them?
It would be possible to do that. Sensitive userspace processes could be built this way, rendering them invulnerable to 'variant 2' attacks without the kernel having to use the microcode features.
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In such case, a binary could be maliciously changed back, or a custom GCC made with the patches reverted.
If the attacker can replace the sensitive binary, or replace the compiler with which the sensitive binary was compiled, then we have other problems. I'm not going to lose sleep over that.
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Note that *none* of this addresses 'variant 1'. There's a separate
patch series which addresses likely 'variant 1 gadgets' in the kernel,
which I haven't seen posted in public yet. And I'm not sure what we do
about that for userspace except extending the existing Coverity ruleset
and teaching GCC to emit barriers automatically in the right places,
which is a bit far-fetched right now. Elena?
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I could have written more clearly. What I'm getting at is if any of the GCC patches are intended to prevent an exploit from being able to be attempted, rather than making binaries immune from attacks. So, I don't mean being able to modify a sensitive binary or the system's compiler. I mean someone has non-root SSH access. Compiles GCC with whatever patches wind up for variant 1-3 reverted, or uses an old version. Leaves their custom compiled GCC in their user directory, to compile malicious code. Executes the compiled malicious code from their user directory. (Or, compiles a malicious program on their own system compatible in architecture, kernel and library versions, using GCC without new patches, and just copies over the binary to their user directory to execute.) Or, malicious customer with a VM on a shared machine who has root access within their VM, reverting GCC patches attempting to see into the host or other VM's on the machine.
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But, are the GCC patches being discussed also expected to fix the vulnerability because user binaries will be compiled using them? In
If you have a system with just a few user binaries where you are concerned about such a thing you might go that way.
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such case, a binary could be maliciously changed back, or a custom GCC made with the patches reverted.
If I can change your gcc or your binary then instead of removing the speculation protection I can make it encrypt all your files instead. Much simpler.
At the point I can do this you already lost.
Alan
Quoted 8 lines · On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 16:15:01 -0800 Andi Kleen <[email protected]> wrote:
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It should be a
CPU_BUGbit as we have for the other mess. And that can be used for patching.It has to be done at compile time because it requires a compiler option.
Most of the indirect calls are in C code.
So it cannot just patched in, only partially out.
You can replace the pushl ; jmp with an alternatives section (although there might be a lot of them). Even if gcc isn't smart enough to do that perl is.
Alan
Quoted 8 lines · Alan Cox
Quoted 5 lines · On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 16:15:01 -0800 Andi Kleen <[email protected]> wrote:
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It should be a
CPU_BUGbit as we have for the other mess. And that can be used for patching.It has to be done at compile time because it requires a compiler option.
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Most of the indirect calls are in C code.
So it cannot just patched in, only partially out.
You can replace the pushl ; jmp with an alternatives section (although there might be a lot of them). Even if gcc isn't smart enough to do that perl is.
So you say, that we finally need a perl interpreter in the kernel to do alternative patching?
Thanks,
tglx
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So you say, that we finally need a perl interpreter in the kernel to do alternative patching?
No but for weird cases like that
gcc -S
perl -e
as
does work.
Alan
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So you say, that we finally need a perl interpreter in the kernel to do alternative patching?
I don't think perl or objtool makes sense. That would be just incredibly fragile because compilers can reorder and mix code.
It could be done with a gcc change I suppose. That should be reliable.
But that would need to be developed first. We don't have it right now.
As the first step a compile time approach should be sufficient. We can add a CONFIG option so people can chose at compile time.
Then later we can investigate run time patching.
-Andi
Quoted 11 lines · Andi Kleen
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So you say, that we finally need a perl interpreter in the kernel to do
alternative patching?I don't think perl or objtool makes sense. That would be just incredibly
fragile because compilers can reorder and mix code.It could be done with a gcc change I suppose. That should be reliable.
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But that would need to be developed first. We don't have it right now.
As the first step a compile time approach should be sufficient. We can add a CONFIG option so people can chose at compile time.
Then later we can investigate run time patching.
My original code, that Intel had included in the osv_v7.1 patch set, already did runtime patching for all the explicit call sites:
+.macro JMP_THUNK reg:req
+#ifdef RETPOLINE
+ ALTERNATIVE __stringify(jmp __x86.indirect_thunk.\reg), __stringify(jmp *%\reg), X86_FEATURE_IBRS_ATT +#else
+ jmp *\reg
+#endif
+.endm
.. and the thunks themselves were also using alternatives:
+ENTRY(__x86.indirect_thunk.\reg)
+ CFI_STARTPROC
+ ALTERNATIVE "call 2f", __stringify(jmp *%\reg), X86_FEATURE_IBRS_ATT +1:
+ lfence
+ jmp 1b
+2:
+ mov %\reg, (%\sp)
+ ret
+ CFI_ENDPROC
+ENDPROC(__x86.indirect_thunk.\reg)
So all you were left with was the single static jump in the call sites which GCC emitted, which are basically harmless. It's not clear that it makes sense to post-process GCC output just to eliminate those.
Andi, you seem to have made a lot of changes, some cosmetic and some make it look like you were working on an older version of the code.
For reference, here's my original version.
From 970687a4c18ac5adb2124c673e31fbfe079220ca Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: David Woodhouse <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 00:51:24 +0000
Subject: [PATCH 1/8] x86: Add initial retpoline support with
-mindirect-branch=thunk-extern
--- arch/x86/Makefile | 7 +++++++ arch/x86/kernel/Makefile | 1 + arch/x86/kernel/retpoline.S | 37 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 3 files changed, 45 insertions(+) create mode 100644 arch/x86/kernel/retpoline.S
arch/x86/Makefile +7 -0
@@ -235,6 +235,13 @@ KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Wno-sign-compare # KBUILD_CFLAGS += -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables +# +RETPOLINE_CFLAGS += $(call cc-option,-mindirect-branch=thunk-extern -mindirect-branch-register) +ifneq ($(RETPOLINE_CFLAGS),) + KBUILD_CFLAGS += $(RETPOLINE_CFLAGS) -DRETPOLINE + KBUILD_AFLAGS += -DRETPOLINE +endif + archscripts: scripts_basic $(Q)$(MAKE) $(build)=arch/x86/tools relocs
arch/x86/kernel/Makefile +1 -0
@@ -49,6 +49,7 @@ obj-$(CONFIG_MODIFY_LDT_SYSCALL) += ldt.o obj-y += setup.o x86_init.o i8259.o irqinit.o jump_label.o obj-$(CONFIG_IRQ_WORK) += irq_work.o obj-y += probe_roms.o +obj-y += retpoline.o obj-$(CONFIG_X86_64) += sys_x86_64.o obj-$(CONFIG_X86_ESPFIX64) += espfix_64.o obj-$(CONFIG_SYSFS) += ksysfs.o
arch/x86/kernel/retpoline.S new file +37 -0
@@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +/* SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0 */ + +#ifdef RETPOLINE + +#include <linux/stringify.h> +#include <linux/linkage.h> +#include <asm/dwarf2.h> +#include <asm/cpufeatures.h> +#include <asm/alternative-asm.h> + +.macro THUNK sp reg + .section .text.__x86.indirect_thunk.\reg + +ENTRY(__x86.indirect_thunk.\reg) + CFI_STARTPROC + ALTERNATIVE "call 2f", __stringify(jmp *%\reg), X86_FEATURE_IBRS_ATT +1: + lfence + jmp 1b +2: + mov %\reg, (%\sp) + ret + CFI_ENDPROC +ENDPROC(__x86.indirect_thunk.\reg) +.endm + +#ifdef CONFIG_64BIT +.irp reg rax rbx rcx rdx rsi rdi rbp r8 r9 r10 r11 r12 r13 r14 r15 + THUNK rsp \reg +.endr +#else +.irp reg eax ebx ecx edx esi edi ebp + THUNK esp \reg +.endr +#endif + +#endif /* RETPOLINE */
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From 68521da88d6d05ed2b9ad5e57a7475e8d3fdc904 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: David Woodhouse <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 01:59:04 +0000
Subject: [PATCH 2/8] x86: Replace indirect branches in asm with
CALL_THUNK/JMP_THUNK macro
This uses the same retpoline thunks that the -mindirect-branch= GCC option uses, to avoid speculative branch prediction problems.
Open-code a version of the thunk in the syscall trampoline because we can't just jump to the existing ones.
--- arch/x86/crypto/aesni-intel_asm.S | 5 +++-- arch/x86/crypto/camellia-aesni-avx-asm_64.S | 3 ++- arch/x86/crypto/camellia-aesni-avx2-asm_64.S | 3 ++- arch/x86/crypto/crc32c-pcl-intel-asm_64.S | 3 ++- arch/x86/entry/entry_32.S | 4 ++-- arch/x86/entry/entry_64.S | 19 +++++++++++++++---- arch/x86/include/asm/spec_ctrl.h | 16 ++++++++++++++++ arch/x86/kernel/ftrace_32.S | 6 ++++-- arch/x86/kernel/ftrace_64.S | 7 ++++--- arch/x86/lib/checksum_32.S | 5 +++-- 10 files changed, 53 insertions(+), 18 deletions(-)
arch/x86/crypto/aesni-intel_asm.S +3 -2
@@ -32,6 +32,7 @@ #include <linux/linkage.h> #include <asm/inst.h> #include <asm/frame.h> +#include <asm/spec_ctrl.h> /* * The following macros are used to move an (un)aligned 16 byte value to/from
@@ -2884,7 +2885,7 @@ ENTRY(aesni_xts_crypt8) pxor INC, STATE4 movdqu IV, 0x30(OUTP) - call *%r11 + CALL_THUNK r11 movdqu 0x00(OUTP), INC pxor INC, STATE1
@@ -2929,7 +2930,7 @@ ENTRY(aesni_xts_crypt8) _aesni_gf128mul_x_ble() movups IV, (IVP) - call *%r11 + CALL_THUNK r11 movdqu 0x40(OUTP), INC pxor INC, STATE1
arch/x86/crypto/camellia-aesni-avx-asm_64.S +2 -1
@@ -17,6 +17,7 @@ #include <linux/linkage.h> #include <asm/frame.h> +#include <asm/spec_ctrl.h> #define CAMELLIA_TABLE_BYTE_LEN 272
@@ -1227,7 +1228,7 @@ camellia_xts_crypt_16way: vpxor 14 * 16(%rax), %xmm15, %xmm14; vpxor 15 * 16(%rax), %xmm15, %xmm15; - call *%r9; + CALL_THUNK r9; addq $(16 * 16), %rsp;
arch/x86/crypto/camellia-aesni-avx2-asm_64.S +2 -1
@@ -12,6 +12,7 @@ #include <linux/linkage.h> #include <asm/frame.h> +#include <asm/spec_ctrl.h> #define CAMELLIA_TABLE_BYTE_LEN 272
@@ -1343,7 +1344,7 @@ camellia_xts_crypt_32way: vpxor 14 * 32(%rax), %ymm15, %ymm14; vpxor 15 * 32(%rax), %ymm15, %ymm15; - call *%r9; + CALL_THUNK r9; addq $(16 * 32), %rsp;
arch/x86/crypto/crc32c-pcl-intel-asm_64.S +2 -1
@@ -45,6 +45,7 @@ #include <asm/inst.h> #include <linux/linkage.h> +#include <asm/spec_ctrl.h> ## ISCSI CRC 32 Implementation with crc32 and pclmulqdq Instruction
@@ -172,7 +173,7 @@ continue_block: movzxw (bufp, %rax, 2), len lea crc_array(%rip), bufp lea (bufp, len, 1), bufp - jmp *bufp + JMP_THUNK bufp ################################################################ ## 2a) PROCESS FULL BLOCKS:
arch/x86/entry/entry_32.S +2 -2
@@ -290,7 +290,7 @@ ENTRY(ret_from_fork) /* kernel thread */ 1: movl %edi, %eax - call *%ebx + CALL_THUNK ebx /* * A kernel thread is allowed to return here after successfully * calling do_execve(). Exit to userspace to complete the execve()
@@ -919,7 +919,7 @@ common_exception: movl %ecx, %es TRACE_IRQS_OFF movl %esp, %eax # pt_regs pointer - call *%edi + CALL_THUNK edi jmp ret_from_exception END(common_exception)
arch/x86/entry/entry_64.S +15 -4
@@ -189,7 +189,17 @@ ENTRY(entry_SYSCALL_64_trampoline) */ pushq %rdi movq $entry_SYSCALL_64_stage2, %rdi - jmp *%rdi + /* + * Open-code the retpoline from retpoline.S, because we can't + * just jump to it directly. + */ + ALTERNATIVE "call 2f", "jmp *%rdi", X86_FEATURE_IBRS_ATT +1: + lfence + jmp 1b +2: + mov %rdi, (%rsp) + ret END(entry_SYSCALL_64_trampoline) .popsection
@@ -276,7 +286,8 @@ entry_SYSCALL_64_fastpath: * It might end up jumping to the slow path. If it jumps, RAX * and all argument registers are clobbered. */ - call *sys_call_table(, %rax, 8) + movq sys_call_table(, %rax, 8), %rax + CALL_THUNK rax .Lentry_SYSCALL_64_after_fastpath_call: movq %rax, RAX(%rsp)
@@ -449,7 +460,7 @@ ENTRY(stub_ptregs_64) jmp entry_SYSCALL64_slow_path 1: - jmp *%rax /* Called from C */ + JMP_THUNK rax /* Called from C */ END(stub_ptregs_64) .macro ptregs_stub func
@@ -528,7 +539,7 @@ ENTRY(ret_from_fork) 1: /* kernel thread */ movq %r12, %rdi - call *%rbx + CALL_THUNK rbx /* * A kernel thread is allowed to return here after successfully * calling do_execve(). Exit to userspace to complete the execve()
arch/x86/include/asm/spec_ctrl.h +16 -0
@@ -180,5 +180,21 @@ ALTERNATIVE "", __stringify(__ASM_DISABLE_IBRS_CLOBBER), X86_FEATURE_SPEC_CTRL ALTERNATIVE __stringify(__ASM_STUFF_RSB), "", X86_FEATURE_SMEP .endm +.macro JMP_THUNK reg:req +#ifdef RETPOLINE + ALTERNATIVE __stringify(jmp __x86.indirect_thunk.\reg), __stringify(jmp *%\reg), X86_FEATURE_IBRS_ATT +#else + jmp *\reg +#endif +.endm + +.macro CALL_THUNK reg:req +#ifdef RETPOLINE + ALTERNATIVE __stringify(call __x86.indirect_thunk.\reg), __stringify(call *%\reg), X86_FEATURE_IBRS_ATT +#else + jmp *\reg +#endif +.endm + #endif /* __ASSEMBLY__ */ #endif /* _ASM_X86_SPEC_CTRL_H */
arch/x86/kernel/ftrace_32.S +4 -2
@@ -8,6 +8,7 @@ #include <asm/segment.h> #include <asm/export.h> #include <asm/ftrace.h> +#include <asm/spec_ctrl.h> #ifdef CC_USING_FENTRY # define function_hook __fentry__
@@ -197,7 +198,8 @@ ftrace_stub: movl 0x4(%ebp), %edx subl $MCOUNT_INSN_SIZE, %eax - call *ftrace_trace_function + movl ftrace_trace_function, %ecx + CALL_THUNK ecx popl %edx popl %ecx
@@ -241,5 +243,5 @@ return_to_handler: movl %eax, %ecx popl %edx popl %eax - jmp *%ecx + JMP_THUNK ecx #endif
arch/x86/kernel/ftrace_64.S +4 -3
@@ -7,6 +7,7 @@ #include <asm/ptrace.h> #include <asm/ftrace.h> #include <asm/export.h> +#include <asm/spec_ctrl.h> .code64
@@ -286,8 +287,8 @@ trace: * ip and parent ip are used and the list function is called when * function tracing is enabled. */ - call *ftrace_trace_function - + movq ftrace_trace_function, %r8 + CALL_THUNK r8 restore_mcount_regs jmp fgraph_trace
@@ -329,5 +330,5 @@ GLOBAL(return_to_handler) movq 8(%rsp), %rdx movq (%rsp), %rax addq $24, %rsp - jmp *%rdi + JMP_THUNK rdi #endif
arch/x86/lib/checksum_32.S +3 -2
@@ -29,7 +29,8 @@ #include <asm/errno.h> #include <asm/asm.h> #include <asm/export.h> - +#include <asm/spec_ctrl.h> + /* * computes a partial checksum, e.g. for TCP/UDP fragments */
@@ -156,7 +157,7 @@ ENTRY(csum_partial) negl %ebx lea 45f(%ebx,%ebx,2), %ebx testl %esi, %esi - jmp *%ebx + JMP_THUNK ebx # Handle 2-byte-aligned regions 20: addw (%esi), %ax
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From 0441f6cf7f593502ecfec0da954ef3e15cae7b70 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: David Woodhouse <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 02:11:18 +0000
Subject: [PATCH 3/8] x86: Use retpoline for calls in inline asm
Fix up PV operations and hypercalls to avoid indirect calls.
There is perhaps scope for optimising the pvops case. For ops which aren't going to be changed at runtime (all of them?), we could just patch the code to make it use *direct* jumps instead of indirect.
--- arch/x86/include/asm/mshyperv.h | 18 ++++++++++-------- arch/x86/include/asm/paravirt_types.h | 15 ++++++++++++--- arch/x86/include/asm/spec_ctrl.h | 13 +++++++++++++ arch/x86/include/asm/xen/hypercall.h | 5 +++-- 4 files changed, 38 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
arch/x86/include/asm/mshyperv.h +10 -8
@@ -7,6 +7,7 @@#include <linux/nmi.h> #include <asm/io.h> #include <asm/hyperv.h> +#include <asm/spec_ctrl.h> /* * The below CPUID leaves are present if VersionAndFeatures.HypervisorPresent
@@ -186,10 +187,11 @@ static inline u64 hv_do_hypercall(u64 control, void *input, void *output)return U64_MAX ; __asm__ __volatile__("mov %4, %%r8\n" -"call *%5" +CALL_THUNK : "=a" (hv_status), ASM_CALL_CONSTRAINT,"+c" (control),"+d" (input_address) - :"r" (output_address),"m" (hv_hypercall_pg) + : "r" (output_address), + THUNK_TARGET(hv_hypercall_pg) :"cc" ,"memory" ,"r8" ,"r9" ,"r10" ,"r11" );#else u32 input_address_hi =upper_32_bits (input_address);
@@ -200,13 +202,13 @@ static inline u64 hv_do_hypercall(u64 control, void *input, void *output)if (!hv_hypercall_pg)return U64_MAX ; - __asm__ __volatile__("call *%7" + __asm__ __volatile__(CALL_THUNK : "=A" (hv_status), "+c" (input_address_lo), ASM_CALL_CONSTRAINT : "A" (control), "b" (input_address_hi), "D"(output_address_hi), "S"(output_address_lo), -"m" (hv_hypercall_pg) + THUNK_TARGET(hv_hypercall_pg) : "cc", "memory");#endif /* !x86_64 */ return hv_status;
@@ -227,10 +229,10 @@ static inline u64 hv_do_fast_hypercall8(u16 code, u64 input1)#ifdef CONFIG_X86_64 { - __asm__ __volatile__("call *%4" + __asm__ __volatile__(CALL_THUNK : "=a" (hv_status), ASM_CALL_CONSTRAINT, "+c" (control), "+d" (input1) - :"m" (hv_hypercall_pg) + : THUNK_TARGET(hv_hypercall_pg) : "cc", "r8", "r9", "r10", "r11"); }#else
@@ -238,13 +240,13 @@ static inline u64 hv_do_fast_hypercall8(u16 code, u64 input1)u32 input1_hi =upper_32_bits (input1);u32 input1_lo =lower_32_bits (input1); - __asm__ __volatile__ ("call *%5" + __asm__ __volatile__ (CALL_THUNK : "=A"(hv_status), "+c"(input1_lo), ASM_CALL_CONSTRAINT : "A" (control), "b" (input1_hi), -"m" (hv_hypercall_pg) + THUNK_TARGET(hv_hypercall_pg) : "cc", "edi", "esi"); }#endif
arch/x86/include/asm/paravirt_types.h +12 -3
@@ -336,11 +336,17 @@ extern struct pv_lock_ops pv_lock_ops;#define PARAVIRT_PATCH (x) \ (offsetof(struct paravirt_patch_template, x) / sizeof(void *)) +#define paravirt_clobber (clobber) \ + [paravirt_clobber] "i" (clobber) +#ifdef RETPOLINE +#define paravirt_type (op) \ + [paravirt_typenum] "i" (PARAVIRT_PATCH(op)), \ + [paravirt_opptr] "r" ((op)) +#else #define paravirt_type (op) \ [paravirt_typenum] "i" (PARAVIRT_PATCH(op)), \ [paravirt_opptr] "i" (&(op)) -#define paravirt_clobber (clobber) \ - [paravirt_clobber] "i" (clobber) +#endif /* * Generate some code, and mark it as patchable by the
@@ -392,8 +398,11 @@ int paravirt_disable_iospace(void);* offset into the paravirt_patch_template structure, and can therefore be * freely converted back into a structure offset. */ +#ifdef RETPOLINE +#define PARAVIRT_CALL "call __x86.indirect_thunk.%V[paravirt_opptr];" +#else #define PARAVIRT_CALL "call *%c[paravirt_opptr];" - +#endif /* * These macros are intended to wrap calls through one of the paravirt * ops structs, so that they can be later identified and patched at
arch/x86/include/asm/spec_ctrl.h +13 -0
@@ -196,5 +196,18 @@ ALTERNATIVE __stringify(__ASM_STUFF_RSB), "", X86_FEATURE_SMEP#endif .endm +#else /* __ASSEMBLY__ */ + +#ifdef RETPOLINE +#define CALL_THUNK ALTERNATIVE( \ + "call __x86.indirect_thunk.%V[thunk_target]", \ + "call *%[thunk_target]", X86_FEATURE_IBRS_ATT) +#define THUNK_TARGET (addr) [thunk_target] "r" (addr) +#else +#define CALL_THUNK "call *%[thunk_target]" +#define THUNK_TARGET (addr) [thunk_target] "rm" (addr) +#endif +#endif /* __ASSEMBLY__ */ +#endif /* _ASM_X86_SPEC_CTRL_H */
arch/x86/include/asm/xen/hypercall.h +3 -2
@@ -44,6 +44,7 @@#include <asm/page.h> #include <asm/pgtable.h> #include <asm/smap.h> +#include <asm/spec_ctrl.h> #include <xen/interface/xen.h> #include <xen/interface/sched.h>
@@ -217,9 +218,9 @@ privcmd_call(unsigned call,__HYPERCALL_5ARG (a1, a2, a3, a4, a5);stac (); - asmvolatile ("call *%[call]" + asmvolatile (CALL_THUNK : __HYPERCALL_5PARAM - : [call]"a" (&hypercall_page[call]) + : [thunk_target] "a" (&hypercall_page[call]) : __HYPERCALL_CLOBBER5);clac ();
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arch/x86/include/asm/spec_ctrl.h ALTERNATIVE "", __stringify(__ASM_DISABLE_IBRS_CLOBBER), X86_FEATURE_SPEC_CTRL · line 189
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JMP_THUNKreg:reqarch/x86/include/asm/spec_ctrl.h +6
-0+#ifdef RETPOLINE + ALTERNATIVE __stringify(jmp __x86.indirect_thunk.\reg), __stringify(jmp *%\reg), X86_FEATURE_IBRS_ATT +#else + jmp *\reg +#endif +.endm
I remove that because what you're testing for doesn't exist in the tree yet.
Yes it can be added later.
Right now we just want a basic static version to work reliably.
-Andi
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I remove that because what you're testing for doesn't exist in the tree yet.
Yes it can be added later.
Right now we just want a basic static version to work reliably.
But it doesn't. You can't protect VMs from each other, or userspace processes from each other, without IBPB. And you really ought to be setting IBRS before calling any runtime firmware APIs too.
So we really do need to add the microcode support on top right away, even if we refactor the series to put retpoline first.
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It should be a
CPU_BUGbit as we have for the other mess. And that can be used for patching.
That would definitely be the right approach.
However, that's also probably quite challenging for the gcc option.
Linus
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It should be a
CPU_BUGbit as we have for the other mess. And that can be used for patching.That would definitely be the right approach.
However, that's also probably quite challenging for the gcc option.
AFAICT, the thunk which GCC injects can be supplied to GCC, so it should be doable.
Thanks,
tglx
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Why is this all done without any configuration options?
I was thinking of a config option, but I was struggling with a name.
CONFIG_INSECURE_KERNEL,CONFIG_LEAK_MEMORY?
CONFIG_BUGGY_INTEL_CACHE (or similar)
something that indicates that this is to support the Intel CPUs that have this bug in them.
We've had such CPU specific support options in the past.
Some people will need the speed more than the protection, some people will be running on CPUs that don't need this.
Why is this needed? because of an Intel bug, so name it accordingly.
David Lang
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This is a fix for Variant 2 in
https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2018/01/reading-privileged-memory-with-side.htmlAny speculative indirect calls in the kernel can be tricked to execute any kernel code, which may allow side channel attacks that can leak arbitrary kernel data.
Why is this all done without any configuration options?
A *competent* CPU engineer would fix this by making sure speculation doesn't happen across protection domains. Maybe even a L1 I$ that is keyed by CPL.
I think somebody inside of Intel needs to really take a long hard look at their CPU's, and actually admit that they have issues instead of writing PR blurbs that say that everything works as designed.
.. and that really means that all these mitigation patches should be written with "not all CPU's are crap" in mind.
Or is Intel basically saying "we are committed to selling you shit forever and ever, and never fixing anything"?
Because if that's the case, maybe we should start looking towards the ARM64 people more.
Please talk to management. Because I really see exactly two possibibilities:
- Intel never intends to fix anything
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- these workarounds should have a way to disable them.
Which of the two is it?
Linus
With all of today's excitement these raced slightly with a post we are making explaining the technique and its application.
The modifications are mostly at the compiler level, to produce binaries which can safely execute on an affected target. (Discussing how such a binary could be cross-compiled for vulnerable and non-vulnerable targets is an interesting discussion, but right now, all targets are obviously vulnerable.)
Let me finish getting the post up and I'll bring back more context here.
- Paul
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This is a fix for Variant 2 in
https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2018/01/reading-privileged-memory-with-side.htmlAny speculative indirect calls in the kernel can be tricked to execute any kernel code, which may allow side channel attacks that can leak arbitrary kernel data.
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Why is this all done without any configuration options?
A *competent* CPU engineer would fix this by making sure speculation doesn't happen across protection domains. Maybe even a L1 I$ that is keyed by CPL.
It's not that simple; Andi's patches don't fix this yet, but there's also the case of context switching, where two processes run in the same protection domain and still shouldn't be able to interfere with each other.
But then, exactly because the retpoline approach adds quite some cruft and leaves something to be desired, why even bother? Intel has also started releasing microcode updates that basically add some chicken bits and also let you flush branch predictor state to handle the context switch case. Why not just require people to have their microcode updated, and DTRT from the beginning?
Also, according to Google the KVM PoC can be broken simply by clearing the registers on every exit to the hypervisor. Of course it's just mitigation, but perhaps _that_ is where we should start fixing the user/kernel boundary too.
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I think somebody inside of Intel needs to really take a long hard look at their CPU's, and actually admit that they have issues instead of writing PR blurbs that say that everything works as designed.
.. and that really means that all these mitigation patches should be written with "not all CPU's are crap" in mind.
Or is Intel basically saying "we are committed to selling you shit forever and ever, and never fixing anything"?
Because if that's the case, maybe we should start looking towards the ARM64 people more.
Please talk to management. Because I really see exactly two possibibilities:
- Intel never intends to fix anything
OR
- these workarounds should have a way to disable them.
Which of the two is it?
Linus
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But then, exactly because the retpoline approach adds quite some cruft and leaves something to be desired, why even bother? Intel has also
Performance
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Also, according to Google the KVM PoC can be broken simply by clearing the registers on every exit to the hypervisor. Of course it's just mitigation, but perhaps _that_ is where we should start fixing the user/kernel boundary too.
The syscall boundary isn't quite that simple and clearing registers make things harder but not impossible. It's a good hardening exercise as are things like anding the top bit off userspace addresses on x86 64bit so that even if someone speculates through a user copy they get to steal their own data.
Other hardening possibilities include moving processes between cores, yielding to another task for a bit or clearing L1 data if a syscall returns an error, running only processes for the same uid on hyperthreaded pairs/quads (more easy to do with VMs and something some cloud folk kind of do anyway so that you more clearly get what you pay for in CPU time) etc
Buffer overruns went from fly swatting, through organized analysis, hardening, tools, better interfaces and language changes. History usually repeats itself.
But absolutely - yes we should be looking at effective hardening mechanisms in the kernel just as people will be in the hardware.
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But then, exactly because the retpoline approach adds quite some cruft and leaves something to be desired, why even bother?
Performance
Dunno. If I care about mitigating this threat, I wouldn't stop at retpolines even if the full solution has pretty bad performance (it's roughly in the same ballpark as PTI). But if I don't care, I wouldn't want retpolines either, since they do introduce a small slowdown (10-20 cycles per indirect branch, meaning that after a thousand such papercuts they become slower than the full solution).
A couple manually written asm retpolines may be good as mitigation to block the simplest PoCs (Linus may disagree), but patching the compiler, getting alternatives right, etc. will take a while. The only redeeming grace of retpolines is that they don't require a microcode update, but the microcode will be out there long before these patches are included and trickle down to distros... I just don't see the point in starting from retpolines or drawing the line there.
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But then, exactly because the retpoline approach adds quite some cruft and leaves something to be desired, why even bother?
Performance
Dunno. If I care about mitigating this threat, I wouldn't stop at retpolines even if the full solution has pretty bad performance (it's roughly in the same ballpark as PTI). But if I don't care, I wouldn't want retpolines either, since they do introduce a small slowdown (10-20 cycles per indirect branch, meaning that after a thousand such papercuts they become slower than the full solution).
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A couple manually written asm retpolines may be good as mitigation to block the simplest PoCs (Linus may disagree), but patching the compiler, getting alternatives right, etc. will take a while. The only redeeming grace of retpolines is that they don't require a microcode update, but the microcode will be out there long before these patches are included and trickle down to distros... I just don't see the point in starting from retpolines or drawing the line there.
No, really. The full mitigation with the microcode update and IBRS support is *slow*. Horribly slow.
By using retpoline, we avoid the need to set IBRS on *every* entry into the kernel. It gives you *most* of that performance back.
It's horrid, but it seems to be the best option we have. And in my original patch set, it goes away almost completely if it isn't being used. (Apart from the fact that your eyes may still bleed; I can't do anything about that. Sorry).
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But then, exactly because the retpoline approach adds quite some cruft and leaves something to be desired, why even bother?
Performance
Dunno. If I care about mitigating this threat, I wouldn't stop at retpolines even if the full solution has pretty bad performance (it's roughly in the same ballpark as PTI). But if I don't care, I wouldn't want retpolines either, since they do introduce a small slowdown (10-20 cycles per indirect branch, meaning that after a thousand such papercuts they become slower than the full solution).
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A couple manually written asm retpolines may be good as mitigation to block the simplest PoCs (Linus may disagree), but patching the compiler, getting alternatives right, etc. will take a while. The only redeeming grace of retpolines is that they don't require a microcode update, but the microcode will be out there long before these patches are included and trickle down to distros... I just don't see the point in starting from retpolines or drawing the line there.
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No, really. The full mitigation with the microcode update and IBRS support is *slow*. Horribly slow.
What is IBRS? Invalidate BRanch prediction bufferS?
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By using retpoline, we avoid the need to set IBRS on *every* entry into the kernel. It gives you *most* of that performance back.
It's horrid, but it seems to be the best option we have. And in my original patch set, it goes away almost completely if it isn't being used. (Apart from the fact that your eyes may still bleed; I can't do anything about that. Sorry).
Bleeding eyes sound like quite serious side-effect :-).
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No, really. The full mitigation with the microcode update and IBRS support is *slow*. Horribly slow.
What is IBRS? Invalidate BRanch prediction bufferS?
That isn't the precise acronym, but yes.
The branch predictor flush that, without retpoline, we have to do on every entry to the kernel. Requires new microcode, and the patches that I believe Intel are *about* to post...
The first variant (all they can do on current CPUs with a microcode update) is really slow, and thus retpoline is *very* much the preferred option to protect the kernel on current CPUs.
Later CPUs will apparently have a better version of IBRS which is preferred, so we'll ALTERNATIVE out the retpoline if we discover we're running on one of those.
Public docs will, presumably, be forthcoming Real Soon Now™.
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No, really. The full mitigation with the microcode update and IBRS support is *slow*. Horribly slow.
What is IBRS? Invalidate BRanch prediction bufferS?
That isn't the precise acronym, but yes.
My stab at backronyming it was "indirect branch restricted speculation", and there's also IBPB which is "indirect branch prediction barrier".
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The branch predictor flush that, without retpoline, we have to do on every entry to the kernel. Requires new microcode, and the patches that I believe Intel are *about* to post...
Based on our experiments it was actually pretty good on Skylake, and bad to horrible on earlier machines. Still, microbenchmarks were in the same ballpark as PTI.
BTW, the choices we have implemented in RHEL are basically:
* do nothing
* turn off indirect branch prediction in kernel mode (IBRS=1 in ring 0)
* completely turn off indirect branch prediction (IBRS=1 always, which would also let future CPUs do their thing), which can be good for paranoia but also for performance in some worklods
* never turn off indirect branch prediction, but use a branch prediction barrier on every mode switch (needed for current AMD microcode)
and though we're obviously not wed to the specific debugfs paths and names, I'd really like all of them to be available upstream too. The effect on performance (or lack of performance...) *is* there, so people should be able to understand the effect on their workloads and customize accordingly.
I hope that, after the first few weeks of panic, people will learn to decide on a case-by-case basis whether to enable both PTI and IBRS/IBPB, or none. Distros will provide tuning guide and automatic tuning profiles, etc., and the world will go on.
Paolo
ps: BTW^2 (and this is of course not about you, David) I'm disappointed that for "Spectre" there was no discussion between upstream developers, or between Linux vendors, or in fact hardly any discussion beyond "these are the patches". I understand that (unlike PTI) there was no back story to cover up the actual vulnerability, but... grow up, folks. Seriously, "these are the patches" won't fly with either upstream or distros.
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The first variant (all they can do on current CPUs with a microcode update) is really slow, and thus retpoline is *very* much the preferred option to protect the kernel on current CPUs.
Later CPUs will apparently have a better version of IBRS which is preferred, so we'll ALTERNATIVE out the retpoline if we discover we're running on one of those.
Public docs will, presumably, be forthcoming Real Soon Now™.
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No, really. The full mitigation with the microcode update and IBRS support is *slow*. Horribly slow.
What is IBRS? Invalidate BRanch prediction bufferS?
That isn't the precise acronym, but yes.
My stab at backronyming it was "indirect branch restricted speculation", and there's also IBPB which is "indirect branch prediction barrier".
Something like that, yeah. But remember, setting IBRS is a barrier too. You can't just set it and forget it; you have to do it on *every* entry into the kernel.
Later CPUs are intended to have an 'IBRS all the time' feature which is set-and-forget, and will perform much better, I believe. If we find we're running on a CPU with that, we'll turn off the retpoline with alternatives.
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The branch predictor flush that, without retpoline, we have to do on every entry to the kernel. Requires new microcode, and the patches that I believe Intel are *about* to post...
Based on our experiments it was actually pretty good on Skylake, and bad to horrible on earlier machines. Still, microbenchmarks were in the same ballpark as PTI.
That's good, because retpoline doesn't work on Skylake (since Skylake will actually predict rets too, and then you're just completely hosed).
So on Skylake, we'll be using the basic IBRS support too, and also alternativing out the retpoline.
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ps: BTW^2 (and this is of course not about you, David) I'm disappointed that for "Spectre" there was no discussion between upstream developers, or between Linux vendors, or in fact hardly any discussion beyond "these are the patches". I understand that (unlike PTI) there was no back story to cover up the actual vulnerability, but... grow up, folks. Seriously, "these are the patches" won't fly with either upstream or distros.
Yeah, that could have been improved. Although I note the patch sets that Intel were waving around did have fixes from both you and me, by the end. It wasn't *entirely* behind closed doors.
On the retpoline side, HJ was *very* responsive to suggestions, and was giving me a new set of GCC patches almost daily at one point.
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No, really. The full mitigation with the microcode update and IBRS support is *slow*. Horribly slow.
What is IBRS? Invalidate BRanch prediction bufferS?
That isn't the precise acronym, but yes.
My stab at backronyming it was "indirect branch restricted speculation", and there's also IBPB which is "indirect branch prediction barrier".
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The branch predictor flush that, without retpoline, we have to do on every entry to the kernel. Requires new microcode, and the patches that I believe Intel are *about* to post...
Based on our experiments it was actually pretty good on Skylake, and bad to horrible on earlier machines. Still, microbenchmarks were in the same ballpark as PTI.
BTW, the choices we have implemented in RHEL are basically:
* do nothing
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* turn off indirect branch prediction in kernel mode (IBRS=1 in ring 0)
* completely turn off indirect branch prediction (IBRS=1 always, which would also let future CPUs do their thing), which can be good for paranoia but also for performance in some worklods
* never turn off indirect branch prediction, but use a branch prediction barrier on every mode switch (needed for current AMD microcode)
Where have you got this idea from? Using IBPB on every mode switch would be an insane overhead to take, and isn't necessary.
Also, remember that PTI and these mitigations are for orthogonal issues.
Perhaps it is easiest to refer directly to the Xen SP2 mitigations and my commentary of what is going on:
http://xenbits.xen.org/gitweb/?p=people/andrewcoop/xen.git;a=blob;f=xen/arch/x86/spec_ctrl.c;h=79aedf774a390293dfd564ce978500085344e305;hb=refs/heads/sp2-mitigations-v6.5#l192
With the GCC -mindirect-branch=thunk-external support, and microcode, Xen will make a boot-time choice between using Retpoline, Lfence (which is the better AMD option, and more performant than retpoline), or IBRS on Skylake and newer processors where it is strictly necessary, as well as using IBPB whenever available.
It also supports virtualising IBRS for guest usage when the kernel has chosen not to use it; a configuration I haven't seen in any of the Linux patch series thusfar.
~Andrew
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* never turn off indirect branch prediction, but use a branch prediction barrier on every mode switch (needed for current AMD microcode)
Where have you got this idea from? Using IBPB on every mode switch would be an insane overhead to take, and isn't necessary.
AMD *only* has IBPB and not IBRS, but IIRC you don't need to do it on every context switch into the kernel; only when switching between VMs/processes?
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Also, remember that PTI and these mitigations are for orthogonal issues.
Perhaps it is easiest to refer directly to the Xen SP2 mitigations and my commentary of what is going on:
http://xenbits.xen.org/gitweb/?p=people/andrewcoop/xen.git;a=blob;f=xen/arch/x86/spec_ctrl.c;h=79aedf774a390293dfd564ce978500085344e305;hb=refs/heads/sp2-mitigations-v6.5#l192With the GCC -mindirect-branch=thunk-external support, and microcode, Xen will make a boot-time choice between using Retpoline, Lfence (which is the better AMD option, and more performant than retpoline), or IBRS on Skylake and newer processors where it is strictly necessary, as well as using IBPB whenever available.
I need to pull in the AMD lfence alternative for retpoline, giving us a 3-way choice of the existing retpoline thunk, "lfence; jmp *%\reg", and a bare "jmp *%\reg".
Then the IBRS bits can be added on top.
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It also supports virtualising IBRS for guest usage when the kernel has chosen not to use it; a configuration I haven't seen in any of the Linux patch series thusfar.
Adding that for KVM is in the Linux IBRS patch set that I've seen. Didn't we already have a conversation about how the Linux patch set does it as an atomically-switched MSR while you've done it manually in Xen because it's faster?
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Adding that for KVM is in the Linux IBRS patch set that I've seen. Didn't we already have a conversation about how the Linux patch set does it as an atomically-switched MSR while you've done it manually in Xen because it's faster?
I'm also doing it manually in the RHEL versions of the KVM patches, for what it's worth.
Paolo
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Adding that for KVM is in the Linux IBRS patch set that I've seen. Didn't we already have a conversation about how the Linux patch set does it as an atomically-switched MSR while you've done it manually in Xen because it's faster?
I'm also doing it manually in the RHEL versions of the KVM patches, for what it's worth.
Actually, I did it manually in Xen because I was expecting IBRS on AMD, and there are no MSR load/save lists for PV or SVM guests. (Also yes, I've been reliably informed that manually is much faster than VT-x load/save lists.)
~Andrew
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With the GCC -mindirect-branch=thunk-external support, and microcode, Xen will make a boot-time choice between using Retpoline, Lfence (which is the better AMD option, and more performant than retpoline), or IBRS on Skylake and newer processors where it is strictly necessary, as well as using IBPB whenever available.
I need to pull in the AMD lfence alternative for retpoline, giving us a 3-way choice of the existing retpoline thunk, "lfence; jmp *%\reg", and a bare "jmp *%\reg".
I think I can abuse X86_FEATURE_SYSCALL for that, right? So it would look something like this:
--- a/arch/x86/lib/retpoline.S
+++ b/arch/x86/lib/retpoline.S
@@ -12,7 +12,7 @@
ENTRY(__x86.indirect_thunk.\reg)
CFI_STARTPROC
- ALTERNATIVE "call 2f", __stringify(jmp *%\reg), X86_BUG_NO_RETPOLINE
+ ALTERNATIVE_2 "call 2f", __stringify(lfence;jmp *%\reg), X86_FEATURE_SYSCALL, __stringify(jmp *%\reg), X86_BUG_NO_RETPOLINE 1:
lfence
ASM_UNREACHABLE
However, I would very much like to see a categorical statement from AMD that the lfence is sufficient in all cases. Remember, Intel were saying that too for a while, before finding that it was not *quite* good enough.
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With the GCC -mindirect-branch=thunk-external support, and microcode, Xen will make a boot-time choice between using Retpoline, Lfence (which is the better AMD option, and more performant than retpoline), or IBRS on Skylake and newer processors where it is strictly necessary, as well as using IBPB whenever available.
I need to pull in the AMD lfence alternative for retpoline, giving us a 3-way choice of the existing retpoline thunk, "lfence; jmp *%\reg", and a bare "jmp *%\reg".
I think I can abuse
X86_FEATURE_SYSCALLfor that, right? So it would look something like this:---
a/arch/x86/lib/retpoline.S
+++b/arch/x86/lib/retpoline.S(quoted diff) +0
-0@@ -12,7 +12,7 @@
ENTRY(__x86.indirect_thunk.\reg)
CFI_STARTPROC
- ALTERNATIVE "call 2f",__stringify(jmp *%\reg),X86_BUG_NO_RETPOLINE
+ ALTERNATIVE_2 "call 2f",__stringify(lfence;jmp *%\reg),X86_FEATURE_SYSCALL,__stringify(jmp *%\reg),X86_BUG_NO_RETPOLINE1:
lfence
ASM_UNREACHABLE
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However, I would very much like to see a categorical statement from AMD that the lfence is sufficient in all cases. Remember, Intel were saying that too for a while, before finding that it was not *quite* good enough.
Yes, lfence is sufficient. As long as the target is in the register before the lfence and we jump through the register all is good, i.e.:
Include a dispatch serializing instruction after the load of an indirect branch target. For instance, change this code:
1: jmp *[rax] ; jump to address pointed to by RAX
To this:
1: mov [rax], rax ; load target address
2: lfence ; dispatch serializing instruction
3: jmp *rax
The processor will stop dispatching instructions until all older instructions have returned their results and are capable of being retired by the processor. At this point the branch target will be in the general purpose register (rax in this example) and available at dispatch for execution such that the speculative execution window is not large enough to be exploited.
Thanks,
Tom
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Yes, lfence is sufficient. As long as the target is in the register before the lfence and we jump through the register all is good, i.e.:
Thanks. Can I have a Reviewed-by: for this then please:
http://git.infradead.org/users/dwmw2/linux-retpoline.git/commitdiff/08d9eda03
From: David Woodhouse <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 20:01:53 +0000
Subject: [PATCH] x86/retpoline: Simplify AMD variant of retpoline thunk
On AMD (which is X86_FEATURE_K8), just the lfence is sufficient.
---
arch/x86/lib/retpoline.S | 2 +-
1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
arch/x86/lib/retpoline.S +0 -0
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
ENTRY(__x86.indirect_thunk.\reg)
CFI_STARTPROC
- ALTERNATIVE "call 2f", __stringify(jmp *%\reg), X86_BUG_NO_RETPOLINE
+ ALTERNATIVE_2 "call 2f", __stringify(lfence;jmp *%\reg), X86_FEATURE_K8, __stringify(jmp *%\reg), X86_BUG_NO_RETPOLINE
1:
lfence
jmp 1b
--
2.14.3
Tom Lendacky
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Quoted 2 lines · Tom Lendacky
Yes, lfence is sufficient. As long as the target is in the register before the lfence and we jump through the register all is good, i.e.:
Thanks. Can I have a Reviewed-by: for this then please:
While this works, a more efficient way to do the lfence support would be to not use the retpoline in this case. Changing the indirect jumps to do the "mov [rax], rax; lfence; jmp *rax" sequence would be quicker. I'm not sure if this is feasible given the need to do a retpoline if you can't use lfence, though.
Thanks,
Tom
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http://git.infradead.org/users/dwmw2/linux-retpoline.git/commitdiff/08d9eda03
From: David Woodhouse <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 20:01:53 +0000
Subject: [PATCH] x86/retpoline: Simplify AMD variant of retpoline thunkOn AMD (which is
X86_FEATURE_K8), just the lfence is sufficient.Signed-off-by David Woodhouse <[email protected]>---
arch/x86/lib/retpoline.S | 2 +-1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)arch/x86/lib/retpoline.S +0
-0@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
ENTRY(__x86.indirect_thunk.\reg)
CFI_STARTPROCarch/x86/lib/retpoline.S +1
-1- ALTERNATIVE "call 2f", __stringify(jmp *%\reg), X86_BUG_NO_RETPOLINE + ALTERNATIVE_2 "call 2f", __stringify(lfence;jmp *%\reg), X86_FEATURE_K8, __stringify(jmp *%\reg), X86_BUG_NO_RETPOLINE1:
lfence
jmp 1b
--
2.14.3
Quoted 4 lines · Tom Lendacky
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Yes, lfence is sufficient. As long as the target is in the register before the lfence and we jump through the register all is good, i.e.:
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Thanks. Can I have a Reviewed-by: for this then please:
Reviewed-by Tom Lendacky <[email protected]>While this works, a more efficient way to do the lfence support would be to not use the retpoline in this case. Changing the indirect jumps to do the "mov [rax], rax; lfence; jmp *rax" sequence would be quicker. I'm not sure if this is feasible given the need to do a retpoline if you can't use lfence, though.
That would be most efficient for AMD, but it isn't compatible with having a single binary which can mitigate itself most efficiently wherever it was booted. On most hardware, we'll want to dynamically chose between repoline and lfence depending on vendor.
One option would be to teach GCC/Clang/Other to output alternative patch-point data for indirect branches in the format Linux/Xen could consume, and feed this into the alternatives framework.
The practical option to actually deploy in the timeframe is to use __x86.indirect_thunk.%reg and alternate between repoline and lfence in 15 locations, which does add an unconditional call/jmp over the most efficient alternative, but allows us to switch the thunk-in-use at boot time.
~Andrew
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Yes, lfence is sufficient. As long as the target is in the register before the lfence and we jump through the register all is good, i.e.:
Thanks. Can I have a Reviewed-by: for this then please:
Reviewed-by Tom Lendacky <[email protected]>
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While this works, a more efficient way to do the lfence support would be to not use the retpoline in this case. Changing the indirect jumps to do the "mov [rax], rax; lfence; jmp *rax" sequence would be quicker. I'm not sure if this is feasible given the need to do a retpoline if you can't use lfence, though.
Thanks,
Tom
I do need to send the patches that make lfence a serializing instruction for AMD. I'll get those out as soon as I can.
Thanks,
Tom
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http://git.infradead.org/users/dwmw2/linux-retpoline.git/commitdiff/08d9eda03
From: David Woodhouse <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 20:01:53 +0000
Subject: [PATCH] x86/retpoline: Simplify AMD variant of retpoline thunkOn AMD (which is
X86_FEATURE_K8), just the lfence is sufficient.Signed-off-by David Woodhouse <[email protected]>---
arch/x86/lib/retpoline.S | 2 +-1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)arch/x86/lib/retpoline.S +0
-0@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
ENTRY(__x86.indirect_thunk.\reg)
CFI_STARTPROCarch/x86/lib/retpoline.S +1
-1- ALTERNATIVE "call 2f", __stringify(jmp *%\reg), X86_BUG_NO_RETPOLINE + ALTERNATIVE_2 "call 2f", __stringify(lfence;jmp *%\reg), X86_FEATURE_K8, __stringify(jmp *%\reg), X86_BUG_NO_RETPOLINE1:
lfence
jmp 1b
--
2.14.3
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Quoted 6 lines · Andrew Cooper
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* never turn off indirect branch prediction, but use a branch prediction barrier on every mode switch (needed for current AMD microcode)
Where have you got this idea from? Using IBPB on every mode switch would be an insane overhead to take, and isn't necessary.
AMD *only* has IBPB and not IBRS, but IIRC you don't need to do it on
AMD 0x10 0x12 0x16 basically have IBRS and no IBPB, those works perfectly fine in ibrs 2 ibpb 1 mode, variant#2 fixed and zero overhead.
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every context switch into the kernel; only when switching between VMs/processes?
Some AMD only has IBPB and no IBRS, then IBPB has to be called in every enter kernel or vmexit to give the same security as ibrs 1 ibpb 1 (modulo SMT/HT but that's not the spectre PoC and you can rule that out mathematically also by simply using cpu pinning as you already do or disabling SMT if you care that much). Note ibrs 1 ibpb 1 also won't cover HT effects of guest/user mode vs guest/user mode so cpu pinning may be advisable anyway in your case (even with ibrs 1 ibpb 1 no difference).
Of course everything can be trivially opted out at runtime and all measurable performance restored, but by default it boots in the most secure config available and it will make spectre variant#2 attack impossible with only ibpb available.
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I need to pull in the AMD lfence alternative for retpoline, giving us a 3-way choice of the existing retpoline thunk, "lfence; jmp *%\reg", and a bare "jmp *%\reg".
Then the IBRS bits can be added on top.
"AMD lfence and reptoline" in the same sentence sounds like somebody else also cares about spectre variant#2 on AMD. "Reptoline" only ever makes sense in spectre variant#2 context so either ibrs 0 ibpb 2 mode makes some sense too, or special lfence repotline for AMD should not be worth mentioning in the first place.
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Where have you got this idea from? Using IBPB on every mode switch would be an insane overhead to take, and isn't necessary.
IIRC it started as a paranoia mode for AMD, but then we found out it was actually faster than IBRS on some Intel processor where IBRS performance was horrible. But I don't remember the details of the performance testing, sorry.
Paolo
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Also, remember that PTI and these mitigations are for orthogonal issues.
Perhaps it is easiest to refer directly to the Xen SP2 mitigations and my commentary of what is going on:
http://xenbits.xen.org/gitweb/?p=people/andrewcoop/xen.git;a=blob;f=xen/arch/x86/spec_ctrl.c;h=79aedf774a390293dfd564ce978500085344e305;hb=refs/heads/sp2-mitigations-v6.5#l192With the GCC -mindirect-branch=thunk-external support, and microcode, Xen will make a boot-time choice between using Retpoline, Lfence (which is the better AMD option, and more performant than retpoline), or IBRS on Skylake and newer processors where it is strictly necessary, as well as using IBPB whenever available.
It also supports virtualising IBRS for guest usage when the kernel has chosen not to use it; a configuration I haven't seen in any of the Linux patch series thusfar.
~Andrew
Hello,
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Where have you got this idea from? Using IBPB on every mode switch would be an insane overhead to take, and isn't necessary.
It's only on kernel entry and vmexit.
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IIRC it started as a paranoia mode for AMD, but then we found out it was actually faster than IBRS on some Intel processor where IBRS performance was horrible. But I don't remember the details of the performance testing, sorry.
Yes, it depends on the workload what is faster. ibrs 0 ibpb 2 is possible to use on CPUs with SPEC_CTRL too in fact.
It's only where SPEC_CTRL is missing and only IBPB_SUPPORT is available, that ibrs 0 ibpb 2 is the only option to fix variant#2 for good.
If you run lots of syscalls ibrs 1 ibpb 1 is much faster. If you do infrequent syscalls computing a lot in kernel like I/O with large buffers getting copied, ibrs 0 ibpb 2 is much faster than ibrs 1 ibpb 1 (on those microcodes where ibrs 1 reduces performance a lot, not all microcodes implementing SPEC_CTRL are inefficient like that).
If SPEC_CTRL is available ibrs 1 ibpb 1 should be preferred even if it may not always be faster in every workload.
AMD website says
https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/speculative-execution
"Differences in AMD architecture mean there is a near zero risk of exploitation of this variant."
ibrs 0 ibpb 2 brings the probability down to zero even when SPEC_CTRL is missing and only IBPB_SUPPORT is available in microcode, if you need that kind of piece of mind.
What exactly would be the point of shipping fixes for variant#2 if we leave spectre variant#2 unfixed also in cases where we could have fixed it?
The problem is, it's very unlikely, but if by accident somebody can mount and setup such an attack, then spectre variant#2 becomes a problem almost as bad as spectre variant#1 is and your hypervisor guest/host isolation is fully compromised.
It's not up to us to decide if to leave something with "near zero risk" unfixed by default, so for now we provided a fix that brings the probability of such spectre variant#2 attack to zero whenever possible so that such a spectre varaint#2 attack becomes impossible (not just "near zero risk"").
Of course we made sure the performance comes back at runtime no matter what after running this:
echo 0 >/sys/kernel/debug/x86/ibpb_enabled
echo 0 >/sys/kernel/debug/x86/ibrs_enabled
Or if you prefer at boot time with "noibrs noibpb". Not everyone will necessarily care about that kind of variant#2 attacks of course.
NOTE: if those two tunables both read as 0 it means the fix for variant#2 isn't activated by the running kernel and you need to contact your CPU manufacturer for a microcode update providing SPEC_CTRL or at least IBPB_SUPPORT (in the latter case the fix will generally tend to perform worse and ibrs 0 ibpb 2 mode will auto-engage).
For meltdown variant#3 same thing: if you want to disable the fix at runtime because it's a guest kernel and it's running a single microservice with a single app (similar to unikernel) or something like that, you can with "nopti" or:
echo 0 >/sys/kernel/debug/x86/pti_enabled
Same issue if it's a bare metal host and it's running a single app and it doesn't store secure data in kernel space etc... There's always an option to disable the fixes.
Only spectre variant#1 fix is always on, as there's no performance overhead to it.
By default it boots in the most secure setting possible so that all spectre variant#1 and variant2 and meltdown variant#3 are fixed.
Thanks,
Andrea
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If you run lots of syscalls ibrs 1 ibpb 1 is much faster. If you do infrequent syscalls computing a lot in kernel like I/O with large buffers getting copied, ibrs 0 ibpb 2 is much faster than ibrs 1 ibpb 1 (on those microcodes where ibrs 1 reduces performance a lot, not all microcodes implementing
SPEC_CTRLare inefficient like that).
Have you looked at whether you can measure activity and switch automatically between the two (or by task). It seems silly to leave something the machine can accurately assess toa human ?
Alan
Hi Alan,
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If you run lots of syscalls ibrs 1 ibpb 1 is much faster. If you do infrequent syscalls computing a lot in kernel like I/O with large buffers getting copied, ibrs 0 ibpb 2 is much faster than ibrs 1 ibpb 1 (on those microcodes where ibrs 1 reduces performance a lot, not all microcodes implementing
SPEC_CTRLare inefficient like that).Have you looked at whether you can measure activity and switch automatically between the two (or by task). It seems silly to leave something the machine can accurately assess toa human ?
We didn't but it'd be definitely reasonable to investigate and it's a good idea for those CPUs where the updated microcode has to shutdown way more than just indirect branch prediction speculation to achieve the ibrs 1 semantics.
If the workload changes from frequent syscalls to reasonably large read/writes and less frequent syscalls or lots of interrupts in idle CPUs, it would work well to switch between ibrs 1 ibpb 1 and ibpb 2 ibrs 0 automatically. As long as the pattern keeps repeating for a while... that is the question ;).
Thanks!
Andrea
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It's only where
SPEC_CTRLis missing and onlyIBPB_SUPPORTis available, that ibrs 0 ibpb 2 is the only option to fix variant#2 for good.
Could you help us decode what "ibrs 0 ibpb 2" means to you?
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Quoted 3 lines · Andrea Arcangeli
It's only where
SPEC_CTRLis missing and onlyIBPB_SUPPORTis available, that ibrs 0 ibpb 2 is the only option to fix variant#2 for good.Could you help us decode what "ibrs 0 ibpb 2" means to you?
IBRS 0 = disabled
IBRS 1 = only kernel sets IBRS=1
IBRS 2 = indirect branch prediction fully disabled, or do the right thing on future processors
IBPB 0 = disabled
IBPB 1 = on context switch
IBPB 2 = on every kernel or hypervisor entry
Thanks,
Paolo
Hello,
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Quoted 6 lines · Dave Hansen
Quoted 3 lines · Andrea Arcangeli
It's only where
SPEC_CTRLis missing and onlyIBPB_SUPPORTis available, that ibrs 0 ibpb 2 is the only option to fix variant#2 for good.Could you help us decode what "ibrs 0 ibpb 2" means to you?
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IBRS 0 = disabled
IBRS 1 = only kernel sets IBRS=1
IBRS 2 = indirect branch prediction fully disabled, or do the right thing on future processorsIBPB 0 = disabled
IBPB 1 = on context switch
IBPB 2 = on every kernel or hypervisor entry
Yes.
ibrs 0 ibpb 2 kernel entry and vmexit.
ibpb 2 if set, is forcing ibrs to 0 (it's sharing the same branch in the kernel entry points and it wouldn't make sense anyway to enable ibrs with ibpb 2).
ibrs 0 ibpb 2 is only ever activated if SPEC_CTRL is missing but IBPB_SUPPORT is present and it does the same as stuff_RSB, imagine it like a stuff_IBP where stuff_RSB is already called.
Hi!
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ps: BTW^2 (and this is of course not about you, David) I'm disappointed that for "Spectre" there was no discussion between upstream developers, or between Linux vendors, or in fact hardly any discussion beyond "these are the patches". I understand that (unlike PTI) there was no back story to cover up the actual vulnerability, but... grow up, folks. Seriously, "these are the patches" won't fly with either upstream or distros.
I still hope that the discussion will now.... Or is someone still under impression that embargo is in place?
Pavel
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But then, exactly because the retpoline approach adds quite some cruft and leaves something to be desired, why even bother?
Performance
Dunno. If I care about mitigating this threat, I wouldn't stop at retpolines even if the full solution has pretty bad performance (it's roughly in the same ballpark as PTI). But if I don't care, I wouldn't want retpolines either, since they do introduce a small slowdown (10-20 cycles per indirect branch, meaning that after a thousand such papercuts they become slower than the full solution).
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A couple manually written asm retpolines may be good as mitigation to block the simplest PoCs (Linus may disagree), but patching the compiler, getting alternatives right, etc. will take a while. The only redeeming grace of retpolines is that they don't require a microcode update, but the microcode will be out there long before these patches are included and trickle down to distros... I just don't see the point in starting from retpolines or drawing the line there.
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No, really. The full mitigation with the microcode update and IBRS support is *slow*. Horribly slow.
It is horribly slow, though the story changes with CPU generation as others noted (and what needs disabling in the microcode). We did various analysis of the retpoline patches, including benchmarks, and we decided that the fastest and safest approach for Tue^W yesterday was to use the new MSRs. Especially in light of the corner cases we would need to address for an empty RSB, etc. I'm adding Jeff Law because he and the tools team have done analysis on this and he may have thoughts.
There's also a cross-architecture concern here in that different solutions are needed across architectures. Retpolines are not endorsed or recommended by every architecture vendor at this time. It's important to make sure the necessary cross-vendor discussion happens now that it can happen in the open.
Longer term, it'll be good to see BTBs tagged using the full address space (including any address space IDs...) in future silicon.
Jon.
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But then, exactly because the retpoline approach adds quite some cruft and leaves something to be desired, why even bother?
Performance
Dunno. If I care about mitigating this threat, I wouldn't stop at retpolines even if the full solution has pretty bad performance (it's roughly in the same ballpark as PTI). But if I don't care, I wouldn't want retpolines either, since they do introduce a small slowdown (10-20 cycles per indirect branch, meaning that after a thousand such papercuts they become slower than the full solution).
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A couple manually written asm retpolines may be good as mitigation to block the simplest PoCs (Linus may disagree), but patching the compiler, getting alternatives right, etc. will take a while. The only redeeming grace of retpolines is that they don't require a microcode update, but the microcode will be out there long before these patches are included and trickle down to distros... I just don't see the point in starting from retpolines or drawing the line there.
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No, really. The full mitigation with the microcode update and IBRS support is *slow*. Horribly slow.
It is horribly slow, though the story changes with CPU generation as others noted (and what needs disabling in the microcode). We did various analysis of the retpoline patches, including benchmarks, and we decided that the fastest and safest approach for Tue^W yesterday was to use the new MSRs. Especially in light of the corner cases we would need to address for an empty RSB, etc. I'm adding Jeff Law because he and the tools team have done analysis on this and he may have thoughts.
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There's also a cross-architecture concern here in that different solutions are needed across architectures. Retpolines are not endorsed or recommended by every architecture vendor at this time. It's important to make sure the necessary cross-vendor discussion happens now that it can happen in the open.
Longer term, it'll be good to see BTBs tagged using the full address space (including any address space IDs...) in future silicon.
P.S. I've an internal document where I've been tracking "nice to haves" for later, and one of them is whether it makes sense to tag binaries as "trusted" (e.g. extended attribute, label, whatever). It was something I wanted to bring up at some point as potentially worth considering.
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Quoted 4 lines · Jon Masters
P.S. I've an internal document where I've been tracking "nice to haves" for later, and one of them is whether it makes sense to tag binaries as "trusted" (e.g. extended attribute, label, whatever). It was something I wanted to bring up at some point as potentially worth considering.
Scratch that. There is no such thing as a trusted binary.
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P.S. I've an internal document where I've been tracking "nice to haves" for later, and one of them is whether it makes sense to tag binaries as "trusted" (e.g. extended attribute, label, whatever). It was something I wanted to bring up at some point as potentially worth considering.Scratch that. There is no such thing as a trusted binary.
I agree with your sentiment, but for those mitigations that carry a significant performance overhead (for example IBRS at the moment, and on some other architectures where we might not end up with retpolines) there /could/ be some value in leaving them on by default but allowing a sysadmin to decide to trust a given application/container and accept the risk. Sure, it's selectively weakened security, I get that. I am not necessarily advocating this, just suggesting it be discussed.
[ I also totally get that you can extend variant 2 to have any application that interacts with another abuse it (even over a pipe or a socket, etc. provided they share the same cache and take untrusted data that can lead to some kind of load within a speculation window), and there are a ton of ways to still cause an attack in that case. ]
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Quoted 17 lines · Jon Masters
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P.S. I've an internal document where I've been tracking "nice to haves" for later, and one of them is whether it makes sense to tag binaries as "trusted" (e.g. extended attribute, label, whatever). It was something I wanted to bring up at some point as potentially worth considering.Scratch that. There is no such thing as a trusted binary.
I agree with your sentiment, but for those mitigations that carry a significant performance overhead (for example IBRS at the moment, and on some other architectures where we might not end up with retpolines) there /could/ be some value in leaving them on by default but allowing a sysadmin to decide to trust a given application/container and accept the risk. Sure, it's selectively weakened security, I get that. I am not necessarily advocating this, just suggesting it be discussed.
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[ I also totally get that you can extend variant 2 to have any application that interacts with another abuse it (even over a pipe or a socket, etc. provided they share the same cache and take untrusted data that can lead to some kind of load within a speculation window), and there are a ton of ways to still cause an attack in that case. ]
Correct.
We have neither the basic mitigations in place nor has anyone fully understood the implications and possible further issues.
So can we please all sit back and fix the problems at hand in a sane way before we start discussing things like selective trust or whatever?
I've seen the insanities which were crammed into the distro kernels, which have sysctls and whatever, but at the same time these kernels shipped in a haste do not even boot on a specific class of machines. Great engineering work.
The thing which sits between the ears is not an acronyn for:
Big Revenue All Intelligence Nuked
But it seems that in some ways it has been degraded to exactly that or do you have a sane explanation why quite some of the chip vendors ignored the textbooks from the 90es about speculative execution, which clearly say that speculation has to stop on domain borders and permission violations.
We already lost a lot of precious time due to other even more disgusting big corporate games and many of us haven't had a quite moment in the past two month.
So can we please fix the stuff on the oldest and most important principle of engineering "Correctness first" and then once that done think about ways how to optimize that w/o digging yet another hole.
Thanks,
tglx
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I've seen the insanities which were crammed into the distro kernels, which have sysctls and whatever, but at the same time these kernels shipped in a
Debugfs tunables only, there are no sysctl, quoting Greg:
http://lkml.kernel.org/r/[email protected]
"It's a debugfs api, it can be changed at any time, to be anything we want, and all is fine :)"
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haste do not even boot on a specific class of machines. [..]
If you refer to the two efi_64.c and tboot.c corner case boot failures found over the last weekend those affected upstream 4.15-rc 4.14.12 and all PTI branches in linux-tip too (perhaps less reproducible there because of differences in old_memmap handling).
I sent you a better version of the efi_64.c fix from Jiri privately and you still miss the tboot fix in linux-tip so you still got a boot failure to fix there.
This is incremental with
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip.git/log/?h=WIP.x86/pti
where the "Unbreak EFI old_memmap" fix is applied.
I respinned it after doing the more correct fix in this case too (same as the efi_64.c improvement) while leaving the attribution to the fix to Dave as he did the hard part.
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From: Dave Hansen <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 18:41:14 +0100
Subject: [PATCH 1/1] x86/kaiser/efi: unbreak tboot
This is another case similar to what EFI does: create a new set of page tables, map some code at a low address, and jump to it. PTI mistakes this low address for userspace and mistakenly marks it non-executable in an effort to make it unusable for userspace. Undo the poison to allow execution.
--- arch/x86/kernel/tboot.c | 1 + 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
arch/x86/kernel/tboot.c +1 -0
@@ -127,6 +127,7 @@ static int map_tboot_page(unsigned long vaddr, unsigned long pfn, p4d =p4d_alloc (&tboot_mm, pgd, vaddr);if (!p4d)return -1 ; + pgd->pgd &= ~_PAGE_NX; pud =pud_alloc (&tboot_mm, p4d, vaddr);if (!pud)return -1 ;
If I can help and assist in any other way let me know.
Thanks,
Andrea
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merge bot[tip:x86/pti] x86/tboot: Unbreak tboot with PTI enabled
x86/tboot: Unbreak tboot with PTI enabled
Commit-ID: 262b6b30087246abf09d6275eb0c0dc421bcbe38 Gitweb: https://git.kernel.org/tip/262b6b30087246abf09d6275eb0c0dc421bcbe38 Author: Dave Hansen <[email protected]> AuthorDate: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 18:41:14 +0100 Committer: Thomas Gleixner <[email protected]> CommitDate: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 17:29:18 +0100
x86/tboot: Unbreak tboot with PTI enabled
This is another case similar to what EFI does: create a new set of page tables, map some code at a low address, and jump to it. PTI mistakes this low address for userspace and mistakenly marks it non-executable in an effort to make it unusable for userspace.
Undo the poison to allow execution.
--- arch/x86/kernel/tboot.c | 1 + 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
arch/x86/kernel/tboot.c +1 -0
@@ -127,6 +127,7 @@ static int map_tboot_page(unsigned long vaddr, unsigned long pfn, p4d =p4d_alloc (&tboot_mm, pgd, vaddr);if (!p4d)return -1 ; + pgd->pgd &= ~_PAGE_NX; pud =pud_alloc (&tboot_mm, p4d, vaddr);if (!pud)return -1 ;
Quoted 4 lines · Andrea Arcangeli
On Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 10:59:28AM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
I sent you a better version of theefi_64.cfix from Jiri privately and you still miss the tboot fix in linux-tip so you still got a boot failure to fix there.
Missed that in the pile ...
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This is incremental with
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip.git/log/?h=WIP.x86/pti
where the "Unbreak EFIold_memmap" fix is applied.I respinned it after doing the more correct fix in this case too (same as the
efi_64.cimprovement) while leaving the attribution to the fix to Dave as he did the hard part.
Thanks for resending it.
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0c480d1eeabd56379144a4ed6b6fb24f3b84e40eMon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001From: Dave Hansen <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 18:41:14 +0100
Subject: [PATCH 1/1] x86/kaiser/efi: unbreak tbootThis is another case similar to what EFI does: create a new set of page tables, map some code at a low address, and jump to it. PTI mistakes this low address for userspace and mistakenly marks it non-executable in an effort to make it unusable for userspace. Undo the poison to allow execution.
Signed-off-by Dave Hansen <[email protected]>Cc Ning Sun <[email protected]>Cc Thomas Gleixner <[email protected]>Cc Ingo Molnar <[email protected]>Cc "H. Peter Anvin" <[email protected]>Signed-off-by Andrea Arcangeli <[email protected]>--- arch/x86/kernel/tboot.c | 1 + 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)arch/x86/kernel/tboot.c +1
-0@@ -127,6 +127,7 @@ static int map_tboot_page(unsigned long vaddr, unsigned long pfn, p4d =p4d_alloc (&tboot_mm, pgd, vaddr);if (!p4d)return -1 ; + pgd->pgd &= ~_PAGE_NX; pud =pud_alloc (&tboot_mm, p4d, vaddr);if (!pud)return -1 ;If I can help and assist in any other way let me know.
Thanks,
Andrea
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Thanks for resending it.
Thanks to you for the PTI improvements!
Did my best to do the cleanest patch for tip, but I now figured Dave's original comment was spot on: a _PAGE_NX clear then becomes necessary also after pud_alloc not only after p4d_alloc.
pmd_alloc would run into the same with x86 32bit non-PAE too.
So there are two choices, either going back to one single _PAGE_NX clear from the original Dave's original patch as below, or to add multiple clear after each level which was my objective and is more robust, but it may be overkill in this case. As long as it was one line it looked a clear improvement.
Considering the caller in both cases is going to abort I guess we can use the one liner approach as Dave and Jiri did originally.
It's up to you, doing it at each level would be more resilent in case the caller is changed.
For the efi_64 same issue, the current tip patch will work better, but it can still be cleaned up with pgd_efi instead of pgd_offset_k().
I got partly fooled because it worked great with 4levels, but it wasn't ok anyway for 32bit non-PAE. Sometime it's the simpler stuff that gets more subtle.
Andrea
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391517951e904cdd231dda9943c36a25a7bf01b9Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Dave Hansen <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 18:41:14 +0100
Subject: [PATCH 1/1] x86/kaiser/efi: unbreak tboot
This is another case similar to what EFI does: create a new set of page tables, map some code at a low address, and jump to it. PTI mistakes this low address for userspace and mistakenly marks it non-executable in an effort to make it unusable for userspace. Undo the poison to allow execution.
--- arch/x86/kernel/tboot.c | 11 +++++++++++ 1 file changed, 11 insertions(+)
arch/x86/kernel/tboot.c +11 -0
@@ -138,6 +138,17 @@ static int map_tboot_page(unsigned long vaddr, unsigned long pfn,return -1 ;set_pte_at (&tboot_mm, vaddr, pte,pfn_pte (pfn, prot));pte_unmap (pte); + +/* +* PTI poisons low addresses in the kernel page tables in the +* name of making them unusable for userspace. To execute +* code at such a low address, the poison must be cleared. +* +* Note: 'pgd' actually gets set in p4d_alloc() _or_ +* pud_alloc() depending on 4/5-level paging. +*/ + pgd->pgd &= ~_PAGE_NX; +return 0 ; }
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Quoted 1 line · Thomas Gleixner
Thanks for resending it.
Thanks to you for the PTI improvements!
Did my best to do the cleanest patch for tip, but I now figured Dave's original comment was spot on: a
_PAGE_NXclear then becomes necessary also afterpud_allocnot only afterp4d_alloc.
pmd_allocwould run into the same with x86 32bit non-PAE too.
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So there are two choices, either going back to one single
_PAGE_NXclear from the original Dave's original patch as below, or to add multiple clear after each level which was my objective and is more robust, but it may be overkill in this case. As long as it was one line it looked a clear improvement.Considering the caller in both cases is going to abort I guess we can use the one liner approach as Dave and Jiri did originally.
Dave ?
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It's up to you, doing it at each level would be more resilent in case the caller is changed.
For the
efi_64same issue, the current tip patch will work better, but it can still be cleaned up withpgd_efiinstead ofpgd_offset_k().I got partly fooled because it worked great with 4levels, but it wasn't ok anyway for 32bit non-PAE. Sometime it's the simpler stuff that gets more subtle.
Andrea
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391517951e904cdd231dda9943c36a25a7bf01b9Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001From: Dave Hansen <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 18:41:14 +0100
Subject: [PATCH 1/1] x86/kaiser/efi: unbreak tbootThis is another case similar to what EFI does: create a new set of page tables, map some code at a low address, and jump to it. PTI mistakes this low address for userspace and mistakenly marks it non-executable in an effort to make it unusable for userspace. Undo the poison to allow execution.
Signed-off-by Dave Hansen <[email protected]>Cc Ning Sun <[email protected]>Cc Thomas Gleixner <[email protected]>Cc Ingo Molnar <[email protected]>Cc "H. Peter Anvin" <[email protected]>Signed-off-by Andrea Arcangeli <[email protected]>--- arch/x86/kernel/tboot.c | 11 +++++++++++ 1 file changed, 11 insertions(+)arch/x86/kernel/tboot.c +11
-0@@ -138,6 +138,17 @@ static int map_tboot_page(unsigned long vaddr, unsigned long pfn,return -1 ;set_pte_at (&tboot_mm, vaddr, pte,pfn_pte (pfn, prot));pte_unmap (pte); + +/* +* PTI poisons low addresses in the kernel page tables in the +* name of making them unusable for userspace. To execute +* code at such a low address, the poison must be cleared. +* +* Note: 'pgd' actually gets set in p4d_alloc() _or_ +* pud_alloc() depending on 4/5-level paging. +*/ + pgd->pgd &= ~_PAGE_NX; +return 0 ; }
Quoted 7 lines · Thomas Gleixner
Quoted 6 lines · Andrea Arcangeli
On Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 09:53:02PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
Did my best to do the cleanest patch for tip, but I now figured Dave's original comment was spot on: a_PAGE_NXclear then becomes necessary also afterpud_allocnot only afterp4d_alloc.
pmd_allocwould run into the same with x86 32bit non-PAE too.
non-PAE doesn't have an NX bit. :)
But we #define _PAGE_NX down to 0 there so it's harmless.
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So there are two choices, either going back to one single
_PAGE_NXclear from the original Dave's original patch as below, or to add multiple clear after each level which was my objective and is more robust, but it may be overkill in this case. As long as it was one line it looked a clear improvement.Considering the caller in both cases is going to abort I guess we can use the one liner approach as Dave and Jiri did originally.
Dave ?
I agree with Andrea. The patch in -tip potentially misses the pgd clearing if pud_alloc() sets a PGD. It would also be nice to have that comment back.
Note that the -tip commit probably works in *practice* because for two adjacent calls to map_tboot_page() that share a PGD entry, the first will clear NX, *then* allocate and set the PGD (without NX clear). The second call will *not* allocate but will clear the NX bit.
The patch I think we want is attached.
From: Dave Hansen <[email protected]>
This is another case similar to what EFI does: create a new set of page tables, map some code at a low address, and jump to it. PTI mistakes this low address for userspace and mistakenly marks it non-executable in an effort to make it unusable for userspace. Undo the poison to allow execution.
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b/arch/x86/kernel/tboot.c | 11 +++++++++++ 1 file changed, 11 insertions(+)
arch/x86/kernel/tboot.c renamed from arch/x86/kernel/tboot.c~pti-tboot-fix +11 -0
@@ -138,6 +138,17 @@ static int map_tboot_page(unsigned longreturn -1 ;set_pte_at (&tboot_mm, vaddr, pte,pfn_pte (pfn, prot));pte_unmap (pte); + +/* +* PTI poisons low addresses in the kernel page tables in the +* name of making them unusable for userspace. To execute +* code at such a low address, the poison must be cleared. +* +* Note: 'pgd' actually gets set in p4d_alloc() _or_ +* pud_alloc() depending on 4/5-level paging. +*/ + pgd->pgd &= ~_PAGE_NX; +return 0 ; }
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Quoted 7 lines · Thomas Gleixner
Quoted 6 lines · Andrea Arcangeli
On Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 09:53:02PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
Did my best to do the cleanest patch for tip, but I now figured Dave's original comment was spot on: a_PAGE_NXclear then becomes necessary also afterpud_allocnot only afterp4d_alloc.
pmd_allocwould run into the same with x86 32bit non-PAE too.non-PAE doesn't have an NX bit. :)
But we #define
_PAGE_NXdown to 0 there so it's harmless.Quoted 10 lines
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So there are two choices, either going back to one single
_PAGE_NXclear from the original Dave's original patch as below, or to add multiple clear after each level which was my objective and is more robust, but it may be overkill in this case. As long as it was one line it looked a clear improvement.Considering the caller in both cases is going to abort I guess we can use the one liner approach as Dave and Jiri did originally.
Dave ?
I agree with Andrea. The patch in -tip potentially misses the pgd clearing if
pud_alloc()sets a PGD. It would also be nice to have that comment back.
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Note that the -tip commit probably works in *practice* because for two adjacent calls to
map_tboot_page()that share a PGD entry, the first will clear NX, *then* allocate and set the PGD (without NX clear). The second call will *not* allocate but will clear the NX bit.The patch I think we want is attached.
Color me confused. I have queued the one below in tip. It lacks the comment and does the !NX at a different place.
Thanks,
tglx
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commit 262b6b30087246abf09d6275eb0c0dc421bcbe38
Author: Dave Hansen <[email protected]> Date: Sat Jan 6 18:41:14 2018 +0100
x86/tboot: Unbreak tboot with PTI enabled
This is another case similar to what EFI does: create a new set of page tables, map some code at a low address, and jump to it. PTI mistakes this low address for userspace and mistakenly marks it non-executable in an effort to make it unusable for userspace.
Undo the poison to allow execution.
arch/x86/kernel/tboot.c +1 -0
@@ -127,6 +127,7 @@ static int map_tboot_page(unsigned long vaddr, unsigned long pfn, p4d =p4d_alloc (&tboot_mm, pgd, vaddr);if (!p4d)return -1 ; + pgd->pgd &= ~_PAGE_NX; pud =pud_alloc (&tboot_mm, p4d, vaddr);if (!pud)return -1 ;
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Quoted 4 lines · Jon Masters
P.S. I've an internal document where I've been tracking "nice to haves" for later, and one of them is whether it makes sense to tag binaries as "trusted" (e.g. extended attribute, label, whatever). It was something I wanted to bring up at some point as potentially worth considering.Scratch that. There is no such thing as a trusted binary.
I disagree with you on this Thomas. "trusted" means "we agree to share the risk this binary takes because it's critical to our service". When you build a load balancing appliance on which 100% of the service is assured by a single executable and the rest is just config management, you'd better trust that process. If the binary or process cannot be trusted, the product is dead anyway. It doesn't mean the binary is safe. It just means that for the product there's nothing worse than its compromission or failure. And when it suffers from the performance impact of workarounds supposed to protect the whole device against this process' possible abuses, you easily see how the situation becomes ridiculous.
We need to still think about performance a lot. There's already an ongoing trend of kernel bypass mechanisms in the wild for performance reasons, and the new increase of syscall costs will necessarily amplify this willingness to avoid the kernel. I personally don't want to see the kernel being reduced to booting and executing SSH to manage the machines.
Willy
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Quoted 4 lines · Jon Masters
P.S. I've an internal document where I've been tracking "nice to haves" for later, and one of them is whether it makes sense to tag binaries as "trusted" (e.g. extended attribute, label, whatever). It was something I wanted to bring up at some point as potentially worth considering.
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Scratch that. There is no such thing as a trusted binary.
I disagree with you on this Thomas. "trusted" means "we agree to share the risk this binary takes because it's critical to our service". When you build a load balancing appliance on which 100% of the service is assured by a single executable and the rest is just config management, you'd better trust that process.
So you want to run this "one binary" as fast as possible and without mitigations in place? But, you want mitigations *available* on that system at the same time? For what? If there's only one binary, why not just disable the mitigations entirely?
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P.S. I've an internal document where I've been tracking "nice to haves" for later, and one of them is whether it makes sense to tag binaries as "trusted" (e.g. extended attribute, label, whatever). It was something I wanted to bring up at some point as potentially worth considering.Quoted 6 lines
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Scratch that. There is no such thing as a trusted binary.
I disagree with you on this Thomas. "trusted" means "we agree to share the risk this binary takes because it's critical to our service". When you build a load balancing appliance on which 100% of the service is assured by a single executable and the rest is just config management, you'd better trust that process.
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So you want to run this "one binary" as fast as possible and without mitigations in place? But, you want mitigations *available* on that system at the same time? For what? If there's only one binary, why not just disable the mitigations entirely?
I'm not fond of running the mitigations, but given that a few sysops can connect to the machine to collect stats or counters, I think it would be better to ensure these people can't happily play with the exploits to dump stuff they shouldn't have access to. It's even easier to understand on a database or key-value server for example, where you may expect the highest performance the CPU can bring for a specific process and the rest can be mitigated and will never ever notice any performance impact at all.
That's why I was saying in another thread that it would be nice over the long term if we could 1) make the mitigation dynamic, and 2) make it possible for an admin to disable it for certain processes/programs.
Don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly aware that it's far from being simple and for now we need to get a reliable mitigation. I'm just saying that the performance impact is a huge loss for certain use cases and that once things settle down we should start to work on ways to recover what was lost.
Regards,
Willy
Borislav Petkov
maintainerQuoted 4 lines · Willy Tarreau
I'm not fond of running the mitigations, but given that a few sysops can connect to the machine to collect stats or counters, I think it would be better to ensure these people can't happily play with the exploits to dump stuff they shouldn't have access to.
So if someone exploits the "trusted" process, and then dumps all memory, you have practically lost.
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Regards/Gruss,
Boris.
Good mailing practices for 400: avoid top-posting and trim the reply.The point is that in many cases, if someone explits the "trusted" process, they already have everything that the machine is able to do anyway.
Borislav Petkov
maintainerQuoted 2 lines · David Lang
The point is that in many cases, if someone explits the "trusted" process, they already have everything that the machine is able to do anyway.
...and then we don't need the per-process complication anyway.
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Regards/Gruss,
Boris.
Good mailing practices for 400: avoid top-posting and trim the reply.Quoted 8 lines · Borislav Petkov
Quoted 4 lines · Willy Tarreau
I'm not fond of running the mitigations, but given that a few sysops can connect to the machine to collect stats or counters, I think it would be better to ensure these people can't happily play with the exploits to dump stuff they shouldn't have access to.
So if someone exploits the "trusted" process, and then dumps all memory, you have practically lost.
Exactly, but there's much more to gain by owning this process anyway in certain cases than just dumping a few hundreds of kernel bytes.
That's where I consider that "trusted" is more "critical" than "safe" :
if it dies, we all die anyway. Just like you have to trust your plane's pilot eventhough you don't know him personally.
Willy
Borislav Petkov
maintainerQuoted 2 lines · Willy Tarreau
Exactly, but there's much more to gain by owning this process anyway in certain cases than just dumping a few hundreds of kernel bytes.
A few hundred? It is *all* machine bytes.
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That's where I consider that "trusted" is more "critical" than "safe" :
if it dies, we all die anyway.
No, not die. Exploit it and since it is "trusted", use it to dump all memory. All your memories belongs to us.
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Just like you have to trust your plane's pilot eventhough you don't know him personally.
Funny you should make that analogy. Remember that germanwings pilot? People trusted him too.
Now imagine if the plane had protection against insane pilots... some of those people might still be alive, who knows...
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Regards/Gruss,
Boris.
Good mailing practices for 400: avoid top-posting and trim the reply.Quoted 8 lines · Borislav Petkov
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Just like you have to trust your plane's pilot eventhough you don't know him personally.
Funny you should make that analogy. Remember that germanwings pilot? People trusted him too.
Now imagine if the plane had protection against insane pilots... some of those people might still be alive, who knows...
Sure but despite this case many people continue to take the plane because it's their only option to cross half of the world in a reasonable time.
Boris, I'm *not* contesting the performance resulting from the fixes, and I would never have been able to produce them myself had I to, so I'm really glad we have them. I just want to be clear that the big drop some of us are facing is not an option *at all* for certain processes in certain environments and that we'll either continue to run with pti=off or with pti=on + a finer grained setting ASAP.
I mean, the kernel is not the only sensitive part in a system (and sometimes it's even not at all). A kernel + a userland processes deliver a service, each in it role. Breaking one or the other can be similar or sometimes the trouble can be worse for one than the other. But for some situations, the good work condition of the combination of the two is critical, and even a kernel compromission could be a detail compared to the impact of something crashing at full load. Sometimes a userspace compromission would already be critical enough that the risk is not higher by accepting to take it for the kernel as well.
In my specific case, on LB appliances, I don't really care what happens once haproxy has already been compromised, it's too late. End of the game, all sensitive information are already disclosed at this point. What I'd rather avoid however is the occasional sysop who has an account on the machine to retrieve some stats once in a while that would suddenly be able to get more than these stats. That's where I draw the line for *this* use case. Plenty of others will have plenty of other perception and that's fine.
Cheers,
Willy
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Just like you have to trust your plane's pilot eventhough you don't know him personally.
Funny you should make that analogy. Remember that germanwings pilot? People trusted him too.
Now imagine if the plane had protection against insane pilots... some of those people might still be alive, who knows...
Sure but despite this case many people continue to take the plane because it's their only option to cross half of the world in a reasonable time.
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Boris, I'm *not* contesting the performance resulting from the fixes, and I would never have been able to produce them myself had I to, so I'm really glad we have them. I just want to be clear that the big drop some of us are facing is not an option *at all* for certain processes in certain environments and that we'll either continue to run with pti=off or with pti=on + a finer grained setting ASAP.
No argument about that. We've looked into per process PTI very early and decided not to go that route because of the time pressure and the risk. I'm glad that we managed to pull it off at all without breaking the world completely. It's surely doable and we all know that it has to be done, just not right now as we have to fast track at least the basic protections for the other two attack vectors.
You can be sure, that all people involved hate it more than you do.
Thanks,
tglx
Hi Thomas,
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Just like you have to trust your plane's pilot eventhough you don't know him personally.
Funny you should make that analogy. Remember that germanwings pilot? People trusted him too.
Now imagine if the plane had protection against insane pilots... some of those people might still be alive, who knows...
Sure but despite this case many people continue to take the plane because it's their only option to cross half of the world in a reasonable time.
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Boris, I'm *not* contesting the performance resulting from the fixes, and I would never have been able to produce them myself had I to, so I'm really glad we have them. I just want to be clear that the big drop some of us are facing is not an option *at all* for certain processes in certain environments and that we'll either continue to run with pti=off or with pti=on + a finer grained setting ASAP.
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No argument about that. We've looked into per process PTI very early and decided not to go that route because of the time pressure and the risk. I'm glad that we managed to pull it off at all without breaking the world completely. It's surely doable and we all know that it has to be done, just not right now as we have to fast track at least the basic protections for the other two attack vectors.
I know that most people with the skills to do it are very busy, which is why I started to take a look at it, not being involved at all in this and having interest in seeing it done. For me the road is long, progressively discovering asid/pcid etc in the code, you can guess I won't come up with something testable any time soon ;-)
My idea would be to use a privileged prctl() call to set a new TIF_NOPTI on the task and to see where to check for this to avoid switching to the user-only PGD when returning to userspace. I have no idea if this is doable at all nor if this would be sufficient (I hope so) but reading the code to try to figure whether it makes sense cannot hurt.
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You can be sure, that all people involved hate it more than you do.
I'm definitely convinced about this, we're all proud to save one CPU cycle here and there from time to time and having to suddenly flush TLBs and throw hundreds or thousands of cycles at once down the drain must be a very hard decision to take. And by the way I don't hate what was done because there's a config option and I still have the choice. Other OS users probably don't even have this choice, so thanks to all involved for this!
Willy
Borislav Petkov
maintainerQuoted 4 lines · Willy Tarreau
I just want to be clear that the big drop some of us are facing is
not an option *at all* for certain processes in certain environments and that we'll either continue to run with pti=off or with pti=on + a finer grained setting ASAP.
And that's all I'm saying: do pti=off in that case. The finer-grained "solution" is just silly.
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Regards/Gruss,
Boris.
Good mailing practices for 400: avoid top-posting and trim the reply.Quoted 8 lines · Borislav Petkov
Quoted 4 lines · Willy Tarreau
I just want to be clear that the big drop some of us are facing is
not an option *at all* for certain processes in certain environments and that we'll either continue to run with pti=off or with pti=on + a finer grained setting ASAP.And that's all I'm saying: do pti=off in that case. The finer-grained "solution" is just silly.
I disagree because I want that, as much as possible, occasional unprivileged local users can't exploit it. pti=off gives them full access. The finer-grained solution ensures that only a few processes share the same risk as the kernel as they work together to deliver the service. And that's what I've implemented in a patch series I sent in another thread :-)
https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg1580131.html
Cheers,
Willy
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Quoted 4 lines · Jon Masters
P.S. I've an internal document where I've been tracking "nice to haves" for later, and one of them is whether it makes sense to tag binaries as "trusted" (e.g. extended attribute, label, whatever). It was something I wanted to bring up at some point as potentially worth considering.Scratch that. There is no such thing as a trusted binary.
There is if you are using signing and the like. I'm sure SELiux and friends will grow the ability to set per process policy but that's certainly not a priority.
However the question is wrong. 'trusted' is a binary operator not a unary one.
The question that matters is
If I am executing A and about to switch to B does B trust A
because if B trusts A (which in Linuxspeak is 'can A ptrace B') then there's not much point worrying about protection between them because what you are trying to prevent is already expressly permitted.
It's even more important if there is a cost to the barrier imposition because not only can you skip it sometimes but your scheduler can schedule considering that cost just as it does cache eviction costs.
Alan
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Quoted 6 lines · On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 01:54:13 +0100 (CET) Thomas Gleixner <[email protected]>…
Quoted 4 lines · Jon Masters
P.S. I've an internal document where I've been tracking "nice to haves" for later, and one of them is whether it makes sense to tag binaries as "trusted" (e.g. extended attribute, label, whatever). It was something I wanted to bring up at some point as potentially worth considering.
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Scratch that. There is no such thing as a trusted binary.
There is if you are using signing and the like. I'm sure SELiux and friends will grow the ability to set per process policy but that's certainly not a priority.
There was a proposed security module providing such a per-process policy.
When a process want to execute a specific networking syscall regarding specific "transport protocol", the security module catches the syscall at the LSM hook, and ask user about the "verdict" (authorized or not ?)
Verdicts are put inside "tickets" (it's a struct of information regarding the autorization). Verdicts can have timeout or live forever. They are managed by a hashtable.
The policy can be define by attaching tickets to process with a userspace tool. Interface between userspace command tool and kernel is using netlink protocol.
I managed to do the same on process and memory. memory access requires process to delivery a available ticket. Sharing memory is like "process A has a ticket required to access memory of process B"
Of course, direct assignation, throught asm code or operation like :
buffer[x] = y;
are impossible to catch at this level. It requires hooks at the asm level.
As I understand, Willy needs to built such a took to classify "trusted" binaries from others.
This is just the top of the iceberg, because, after starting to mark process as "trusted" or not, there is a need of an architecture to track such operations, evaluate incoherences, evaluate the convergence of such classification, regarding thousands of binaries, in a lot of contexts. This was the big part of the job.
last series I propose was years ago under the name :
[RFC,v3,00/10] snet: Security for NETwork syscalls
and particulary :
[RFC,v3,08/10] snet: introduce snet_ticket
http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/93808/
thanks;
sam
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Quoted 8 lines · Thomas Gleixner
Quoted 4 lines · Jon Masters
P.S. I've an internal document where I've been tracking "nice to haves" for later, and one of them is whether it makes sense to tag binaries as "trusted" (e.g. extended attribute, label, whatever). It was something I wanted to bring up at some point as potentially worth considering.Scratch that. There is no such thing as a trusted binary.
I disagree. When there are patches that slow execution down up to 30%, I want to be able to mark a binary as "trusted" so that I can run it without those patches if it is important. This is a boon to configurability and helps lessen the significant performance impact of these patches. Besides, anything run as root can already not only read, but also write kernel memory and other processes' memory, so it's not like this particular ability for processes trusted by the user is anything new. This flag should probably only be settable by root though, for obvious reasons.
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Quoted 8 lines · Thomas Gleixner
Quoted 4 lines · Jon Masters
P.S. I've an internal document where I've been tracking "nice to haves" for later, and one of them is whether it makes sense to tag binaries as "trusted" (e.g. extended attribute, label, whatever). It was something I wanted to bring up at some point as potentially worth considering.Scratch that. There is no such thing as a trusted binary.
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I disagree. When there are patches that slow execution down up to 30%, I want to be able to mark a binary as "trusted" so that I can run it without those patches if it is important. This is a boon to configurability and helps lessen the significant performance impact of these patches. Besides, anything run as root can already not only read, but also write kernel memory and other processes' memory, so it's not like this particular ability for processes trusted by the user is anything new. This flag should probably only be settable by root though, for obvious reasons.
I think everyone agrees on this, but most developers are still very busy trying to get all issues addressed first. We should simply start to work in parallel on what could consistute the next steps without polluting them.
BTW the performance loss can be even worse, I have a packet generator here whose performance was divided by 4 in a VM :-) No tests yet on bare metal (it's easier to reboot a VM).
Willy
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I disagree. When there are patches that slow execution down up to 30%, I want to be able to mark a binary as "trusted" so that I can run it
It's not a binary that is trusted - it's a binary in a given use case. You could easily have the same binary being run in two situations on the same box at the same time and run just one of them 'trusted'.
Quoted 6 lines · Alan Cox
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I disagree. When there are patches that slow execution down up to 30%, I want to be able to mark a binary as "trusted" so that I can run it
It's not a binary that is trusted - it's a binary in a given use case. You could easily have the same binary being run in two situations on the same box at the same time and run just one of them 'trusted'.
That's what I like with the prctl approach. This can end up as a config option in the application itself. At least I'd see it like this in haproxy. Basically :
- start it with enough privileges (always the case to warrant chroot() then setuid())
- if config option "disable-kpti" is set, run prctl() to disable it.
It is sufficiently inconvenient to ensure that it's only done where relevant and regardless of the executable itself (ie it should not be an xattr on the FS for example).
Willy
Make sure that your patches do not affect AMD CPU, because they are unaffected by Meltdown vulnerability for which this "30% slowdown Intel patch" is required
All your security patches regarding Meltdown should be like:
*) if its Intel, it is " cpu_insecure " ==> take a safe and slow route *) if its AMD, it is " secure cpu " ==> take a normal route
AMD users should not suffer because of Intel screwups. if Intel is responsible they should accept the CPU returns
Best regards
Ivan Ivanov,
coreboot developer and
open source enthusiast
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Quoted 22 lines · Alan Cox
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I disagree. When there are patches that slow execution down up to 30%, I want to be able to mark a binary as "trusted" so that I can run it
It's not a binary that is trusted - it's a binary in a given use case. You could easily have the same binary being run in two situations on the same box at the same time and run just one of them 'trusted'.
That's what I like with the prctl approach. This can end up as a config option in the application itself. At least I'd see it like this in haproxy. Basically :
- start it with enough privileges (always the case to warrantchroot()thensetuid())- if config option "disable-kpti" is set, run
prctl()to disable it.It is sufficiently inconvenient to ensure that it's only done where relevant and regardless of the executable itself (ie it should not be an xattr on the FS for example).
Willy
Quoted 3 lines · Ivan Ivanov
Make sure that your patches do not affect AMD CPU, because they are unaffected by Meltdown vulnerability for which this "30% slowdown Intel patch" is required
These patches *do* affect AMD CPUs, because they address one of the issues for which AMD CPUs are also vulnerable.
Quoted 8 lines · Linus Torvalds
Quoted 6 lines · Andi Kleen
This is a fix for Variant 2 in
https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2018/01/reading-privileged-memory-with-side.htmlAny speculative indirect calls in the kernel can be tricked to execute any kernel code, which may allow side channel attacks that can leak arbitrary kernel data.
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Why is this all done without any configuration options?
A *competent* CPU engineer would fix this by making sure speculation doesn't happen across protection domains. Maybe even a L1 I$ that is keyed by CPL.
Would that be enough?
AFAICT this will be pretty tricky to fix; it looks like you could "attack" one userland application from another. Probing does not have to work on L1 cache level; even main memory has "state".
It seems that complete fix would be considering any cache modification and any memory access as a "side effect" -- so not okay to do speculatively.
But that sounds... quite expensive for the performance...?
Pavel
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Quoted 9 lines · On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 12:26:14 +0100 Pavel Machek <[email protected]> wrote:
Quoted 8 lines · Linus Torvalds
Quoted 6 lines · Andi Kleen
This is a fix for Variant 2 in
https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2018/01/reading-privileged-memory-with-side.htmlAny speculative indirect calls in the kernel can be tricked to execute any kernel code, which may allow side channel attacks that can leak arbitrary kernel data.
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Why is this all done without any configuration options?
A *competent* CPU engineer would fix this by making sure speculation doesn't happen across protection domains. Maybe even a L1 I$ that is keyed by CPL.
Would that be enough?
For the entire system - no. To start with the current most dangerous attack is the javascript one. And that is an attack by a process on itself. Likewise simply keying L1I by CPL wouldn't stop ring 3 processes attacking one another or deal with virtual machines properly. For some of those cases (notably the JIT ones) it's quite probable that there isn't enough information for the processor to even infer what is needed.
Alan
Quoted 7 lines · Pavel Machek
Quoted 4 lines · Linus Torvalds
A *competent* CPU engineer would fix this by making sure speculation doesn't happen across protection domains. Maybe even a L1 I$ that is keyed by CPL.
Would that be enough?
No, you'd need to add the CPL to the branch target buffer itself, not the I$ L1.
And as somebody pointed out, that only helps the user space messing with the kernel. It doesn't help the "one user context fools another user context to mispredict". (Where the user contexts might be a JIT'ed JS vs the rest of the web browser).
So you really would want to just make sure the full address is used to index (or at least verify) the BTB lookup, and even then you'd then need to invalidate the BTB on context switches so that one context can't fill in data for another context.
Linus
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Quoted 7 lines · Pavel Machek
Quoted 4 lines · Linus Torvalds
A *competent* CPU engineer would fix this by making sure speculation doesn't happen across protection domains. Maybe even a L1 I$ that is keyed by CPL.
Would that be enough?
No, you'd need to add the CPL to the branch target buffer itself, not the I$ L1.
And as somebody pointed out, that only helps the user space messing with the kernel. It doesn't help the "one user context fools another user context to mispredict". (Where the user contexts might be a JIT'ed JS vs the rest of the web browser).
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So you really would want to just make sure the full address is used to index (or at least verify) the BTB lookup, and even then you'd then need to invalidate the BTB on context switches so that one context can't fill in data for another context.
IMO the correct hardware fix is to index the BTB using the full VA including the ASID/PCID. And guarantee (as is the case) that there is not a live conflict between address space identifiers with entries.
The sad thing is that even the latest academic courses recommend "optimizing" branch predictors with a few low order bits (e.g. 31 in Intel's case, various others for different vendors). The fix for variant 3 is similarly not that difficult in new hardware: don't allow the speculated load to happen by enforcing the permission check at the right time. The last several editions of Computer Architecture spell this out in Appendix B (page 37 or thereabouts).
Jon.
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