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isolation: 1Hz residual tick offloading v3

GIT PULL In review Frederic Weisbecker 4 participants 22 messages Jan 4, 2018 – Jan 18, 2018

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Frederic Weisbecker

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#0 lore raw

Ingo,

Please pull the sched/0hz branch that can be found at:

git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/frederic/linux-dynticks.git
sched/0hz

HEAD: 9e932b2cc707209febd130978a5eb9f4a943a3f4

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Now that scheduler_tick() has become resilient towards the absence of ticks, current->sched_class->task_tick() is the last piece that needs at least 1Hz tick to keep scheduler stats alive.

This patchset adds a flag to the isolcpus boot option to offload the residual 1Hz tick. This way the nohz_full CPUs don't have anymore tick (assuming nothing else requires it) as their residual 1Hz tick is offloaded to the housekeepers.

For quick testing, say on CPUs 1-7:

	"isolcpus=nohz_offload,domain,1-7"

Thanks,
Frederic
---

Frederic Weisbecker (5):
sched: Rename init_rq_hrtick to hrtick_rq_init sched/isolation: Add scheduler tick offloading interface
nohz: Allow to check if remote CPU tick is stopped sched/isolation: Residual 1Hz scheduler tick offload sched/isolation: Document "nohz_offload" flag

 Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt |  7 +-
 include/linux/sched/isolation.h                 |  3 +-
 include/linux/tick.h                            |  2 +
 kernel/sched/core.c                             | 94 +++++++++++++++++++++++--
 kernel/sched/isolation.c                        | 10 +++
 kernel/sched/sched.h                            |  2 +
 kernel/time/tick-sched.c                        |  7 ++
 7 files changed, 117 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
author maintainer
#1 lore raw

PATCH 1/5 sched: Rename init_rq_hrtick to hrtick_rq_init

Do that rename in order to normalize the hrtick namespace.

Cc Chris Metcalf <[email protected]>
Cc Christoph Lameter <[email protected]>
Cc Luiz Capitulino <[email protected]>
Cc Mike Galbraith <[email protected]>
Cc Paul E. McKenney <[email protected]>
Cc Peter Zijlstra <[email protected]>
Cc Rik van Riel <[email protected]>
Cc Thomas Gleixner <[email protected]>
Cc Wanpeng Li <[email protected]>
Cc Ingo Molnar <[email protected]>
---
 kernel/sched/core.c | 6 +++---
 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
kernel/sched/core.c +3 -3
index 644fa2e..d72d0e9 100644
@@ -333,7 +333,7 @@ void hrtick_start(struct rq *rq, u64 delay)
 }
 #endif /* CONFIG_SMP */
 
-static void init_rq_hrtick(struct rq *rq)
+static void hrtick_rq_init(struct rq *rq)
 {
 #ifdef CONFIG_SMP
 	rq->hrtick_csd_pending = 0;
@@ -351,7 +351,7 @@ static inline void hrtick_clear(struct rq *rq)
 {
 }
 
-static inline void init_rq_hrtick(struct rq *rq)
+static inline void hrtick_rq_init(struct rq *rq)
 {
 }
 #endif	/* CONFIG_SCHED_HRTICK */
@@ -5955,7 +5955,7 @@ void __init sched_init(void)
 		rq->last_sched_tick = 0;
 #endif
 #endif /* CONFIG_SMP */
-		init_rq_hrtick(rq);
+		hrtick_rq_init(rq);
 		atomic_set(&rq->nr_iowait, 0);
 	}
 
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#2 lore raw

PATCH 2/5 sched/isolation: Add scheduler tick offloading interface

In reply to Frederic Weisbecker

Add the boot option that will allow us to offload the 1Hz scheduler tick to the housekeeping CPU.

Cc Chris Metcalf <[email protected]>
Cc Christoph Lameter <[email protected]>
Cc Luiz Capitulino <[email protected]>
Cc Mike Galbraith <[email protected]>
Cc Paul E. McKenney <[email protected]>
Cc Peter Zijlstra <[email protected]>
Cc Rik van Riel <[email protected]>
Cc Thomas Gleixner <[email protected]>
Cc Wanpeng Li <[email protected]>
Cc Ingo Molnar <[email protected]>
---
 include/linux/sched/isolation.h | 3 ++-
 kernel/sched/isolation.c        | 6 ++++++
 2 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
include/linux/sched/isolation.h +2 -1
index d849431..c831855 100644
@@ -11,7 +11,8 @@ enum hk_flags {
 	HK_FLAG_MISC		= (1 << 2),
 	HK_FLAG_SCHED		= (1 << 3),
 	HK_FLAG_TICK		= (1 << 4),
-	HK_FLAG_DOMAIN		= (1 << 5),
+	HK_FLAG_TICK_SCHED	= (1 << 5),
+	HK_FLAG_DOMAIN		= (1 << 6),
 };
 
 #ifdef CONFIG_CPU_ISOLATION
kernel/sched/isolation.c +6 -0
index b71b436..264ddcd 100644
@@ -136,6 +136,12 @@ static int __init housekeeping_isolcpus_setup(char *str)
 			continue;
 		}
 
+		if (!strncmp(str, "nohz_offload,", 13)) {
+			str += 13;
+			flags |= HK_FLAG_TICK | HK_FLAG_TICK_SCHED;
+			continue;
+		}
+
 		if (!strncmp(str, "domain,", 7)) {
 			str += 7;
 			flags |= HK_FLAG_DOMAIN;
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#3 lore raw

PATCH 3/5 nohz: Allow to check if remote CPU tick is stopped

In reply to Frederic Weisbecker

This check is racy but provides a good heuristic to determine whether a CPU may need a remote tick or not.

Cc Chris Metcalf <[email protected]>
Cc Christoph Lameter <[email protected]>
Cc Luiz Capitulino <[email protected]>
Cc Mike Galbraith <[email protected]>
Cc Paul E. McKenney <[email protected]>
Cc Peter Zijlstra <[email protected]>
Cc Rik van Riel <[email protected]>
Cc Thomas Gleixner <[email protected]>
Cc Wanpeng Li <[email protected]>
Cc Ingo Molnar <[email protected]>
---
 include/linux/tick.h     | 2 ++
 kernel/time/tick-sched.c | 7 +++++++
 2 files changed, 9 insertions(+)
include/linux/tick.h +2 -0
index 7cc3592..944c829 100644
@@ -114,6 +114,7 @@ enum tick_dep_bits {
 #ifdef CONFIG_NO_HZ_COMMON
 extern bool tick_nohz_enabled;
 extern int tick_nohz_tick_stopped(void);
+extern int tick_nohz_tick_stopped_cpu(int cpu);
 extern void tick_nohz_idle_enter(void);
 extern void tick_nohz_idle_exit(void);
 extern void tick_nohz_irq_exit(void);
@@ -125,6 +126,7 @@ extern u64 get_cpu_iowait_time_us(int cpu, u64 *last_update_time);
 #else /* !CONFIG_NO_HZ_COMMON */
 #define tick_nohz_enabled (0)
 static inline int tick_nohz_tick_stopped(void) { return 0; }
+static inline int tick_nohz_tick_stopped_cpu(int cpu) { return 0; }
 static inline void tick_nohz_idle_enter(void) { }
 static inline void tick_nohz_idle_exit(void) { }
 
kernel/time/tick-sched.c +7 -0
index f7cc7ab..97c4317 100644
@@ -486,6 +486,13 @@ int tick_nohz_tick_stopped(void)
 	return __this_cpu_read(tick_cpu_sched.tick_stopped);
 }
 
+int tick_nohz_tick_stopped_cpu(int cpu)
+{
+	struct tick_sched *ts = per_cpu_ptr(&tick_cpu_sched, cpu);
+
+	return ts->tick_stopped;
+}
+
 /**
  * tick_nohz_update_jiffies - update jiffies when idle was interrupted
  *
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#4 lore raw

PATCH 4/5 sched/isolation: Residual 1Hz scheduler tick offload

In reply to Frederic Weisbecker

When a CPU runs in full dynticks mode, a 1Hz tick remains in order to keep the scheduler stats alive. However this residual tick is a burden for bare metal tasks that can't stand any interruption at all, or want to minimize them.

Adding the boot parameter "isolcpus=nohz_offload" will now outsource these scheduler ticks to the global workqueue so that a housekeeping CPU handles that tick remotely.

Note it's still up to the user to affine the global workqueues to the housekeeping CPUs through /sys/devices/virtual/workqueue/cpumask or domains isolation.

Cc Chris Metcalf <[email protected]>
Cc Christoph Lameter <[email protected]>
Cc Luiz Capitulino <[email protected]>
Cc Mike Galbraith <[email protected]>
Cc Paul E. McKenney <[email protected]>
Cc Peter Zijlstra <[email protected]>
Cc Rik van Riel <[email protected]>
Cc Thomas Gleixner <[email protected]>
Cc Wanpeng Li <[email protected]>
Cc Ingo Molnar <[email protected]>
---
 kernel/sched/core.c      | 88 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
 kernel/sched/isolation.c |  4 +++
 kernel/sched/sched.h     |  2 ++
 3 files changed, 91 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
kernel/sched/core.c +85 -3
index d72d0e9..b964890 100644
@@ -3052,9 +3052,14 @@ void scheduler_tick(void)
  */
 u64 scheduler_tick_max_deferment(void)
 {
-	struct rq *rq = this_rq();
-	unsigned long next, now = READ_ONCE(jiffies);
+	struct rq *rq;
+	unsigned long next, now;
 
+	if (!housekeeping_cpu(smp_processor_id(), HK_FLAG_TICK_SCHED))
+		return ktime_to_ns(KTIME_MAX);
+
+	rq = this_rq();
+	now = READ_ONCE(jiffies);
 	next = rq->last_sched_tick + HZ;
 
 	if (time_before_eq(next, now))
@@ -3062,7 +3067,82 @@ u64 scheduler_tick_max_deferment(void)
 
 	return jiffies_to_nsecs(next - now);
 }
-#endif
+
+struct tick_work {
+	int			cpu;
+	struct delayed_work	work;
+};
+
+static struct tick_work __percpu *tick_work_cpu;
+
+static void sched_tick_remote(struct work_struct *work)
+{
+	struct delayed_work *dwork = to_delayed_work(work);
+	struct tick_work *twork = container_of(dwork, struct tick_work, work);
+	int cpu = twork->cpu;
+	struct rq *rq = cpu_rq(cpu);
+	struct rq_flags rf;
+
+	/*
+	 * Handle the tick only if it appears the remote CPU is running
+	 * in full dynticks mode. The check is racy by nature, but
+	 * missing a tick or having one too much is no big deal.
+	 */
+	if (!idle_cpu(cpu) && tick_nohz_tick_stopped_cpu(cpu)) {
+		rq_lock_irq(rq, &rf);
+		update_rq_clock(rq);
+		rq->curr->sched_class->task_tick(rq, rq->curr, 0);
+		rq_unlock_irq(rq, &rf);
+	}
+
+	queue_delayed_work(system_unbound_wq, dwork, HZ);
+}
+
+static void sched_tick_start(int cpu)
+{
+	struct tick_work *twork;
+
+	if (housekeeping_cpu(cpu, HK_FLAG_TICK_SCHED))
+		return;
+
+	WARN_ON_ONCE(!tick_work_cpu);
+
+	twork = per_cpu_ptr(tick_work_cpu, cpu);
+	twork->cpu = cpu;
+	INIT_DELAYED_WORK(&twork->work, sched_tick_remote);
+	queue_delayed_work(system_unbound_wq, &twork->work, HZ);
+}
+
+#ifdef CONFIG_HOTPLUG_CPU
+static void sched_tick_stop(int cpu)
+{
+	struct tick_work *twork;
+
+	if (housekeeping_cpu(cpu, HK_FLAG_TICK_SCHED))
+		return;
+
+	WARN_ON_ONCE(!tick_work_cpu);
+
+	twork = per_cpu_ptr(tick_work_cpu, cpu);
+	cancel_delayed_work_sync(&twork->work);
+}
+#endif /* CONFIG_HOTPLUG_CPU */
+
+int __init sched_tick_offload_init(void)
+{
+	tick_work_cpu = alloc_percpu(struct tick_work);
+	if (!tick_work_cpu) {
+		pr_err("Can't allocate remote tick struct\n");
+		return -ENOMEM;
+	}
+
+	return 0;
+}
+
+#else
+static void sched_tick_start(int cpu) { }
+static void sched_tick_stop(int cpu) { }
+#endif /* CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL */
 
 #if defined(CONFIG_PREEMPT) && (defined(CONFIG_DEBUG_PREEMPT) || \
 				defined(CONFIG_PREEMPT_TRACER))
@@ -5713,6 +5793,7 @@ int sched_cpu_starting(unsigned int cpu)
 {
 	set_cpu_rq_start_time(cpu);
 	sched_rq_cpu_starting(cpu);
+	sched_tick_start(cpu);
 	return 0;
 }
 
@@ -5724,6 +5805,7 @@ int sched_cpu_dying(unsigned int cpu)
 
 	/* Handle pending wakeups and then migrate everything off */
 	sched_ttwu_pending();
+	sched_tick_stop(cpu);
 
 	rq_lock_irqsave(rq, &rf);
 	if (rq->rd) {
kernel/sched/isolation.c +4 -0
index 264ddcd..c5e7e90a 100644
@@ -12,6 +12,7 @@
 #include <linux/kernel.h>
 #include <linux/static_key.h>
 #include <linux/ctype.h>
+#include "sched.h"
 
 DEFINE_STATIC_KEY_FALSE(housekeeping_overriden);
 EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(housekeeping_overriden);
@@ -60,6 +61,9 @@ void __init housekeeping_init(void)
 
 	static_branch_enable(&housekeeping_overriden);
 
+	if (housekeeping_flags & HK_FLAG_TICK_SCHED)
+		sched_tick_offload_init();
+
 	/* We need at least one CPU to handle housekeeping work */
 	WARN_ON_ONCE(cpumask_empty(housekeeping_mask));
 }
kernel/sched/sched.h +2 -0
index b19552a2..5a3b82c 100644
@@ -1587,6 +1587,7 @@ extern void post_init_entity_util_avg(struct sched_entity *se);
 
 #ifdef CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL
 extern bool sched_can_stop_tick(struct rq *rq);
+extern int __init sched_tick_offload_init(void);
 
 /*
  * Tick may be needed by tasks in the runqueue depending on their policy and
@@ -1611,6 +1612,7 @@ static inline void sched_update_tick_dependency(struct rq *rq)
 		tick_nohz_dep_set_cpu(cpu, TICK_DEP_BIT_SCHED);
 }
 #else
+static inline int sched_tick_offload_init(void) { return 0; }
 static inline void sched_update_tick_dependency(struct rq *rq) { }
 #endif
 
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Re: [PATCH 4/5] sched/isolation: Residual 1Hz scheduler tick offload

Quoted 73 lines · On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 05:25:36 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker <[email protected]>…

When a CPU runs in full dynticks mode, a 1Hz tick remains in order to keep the scheduler stats alive. However this residual tick is a burden for bare metal tasks that can't stand any interruption at all, or want to minimize them.

Adding the boot parameter "isolcpus=nohz_offload" will now outsource these scheduler ticks to the global workqueue so that a housekeeping CPU handles that tick remotely.

Note it's still up to the user to affine the global workqueues to the housekeeping CPUs through /sys/devices/virtual/workqueue/cpumask or domains isolation.

Cc Chris Metcalf <[email protected]>
Cc Christoph Lameter <[email protected]>
Cc Luiz Capitulino <[email protected]>
Cc Mike Galbraith <[email protected]>
Cc Paul E. McKenney <[email protected]>
Cc Peter Zijlstra <[email protected]>
Cc Rik van Riel <[email protected]>
Cc Thomas Gleixner <[email protected]>
Cc Wanpeng Li <[email protected]>
Cc Ingo Molnar <[email protected]>
---
 kernel/sched/core.c      | 88 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
 kernel/sched/isolation.c |  4 +++
 kernel/sched/sched.h     |  2 ++
 3 files changed, 91 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
kernel/sched/core.c +24 -3
index d72d0e9..b964890 100644
@@ -3052,9 +3052,14 @@ void scheduler_tick(void)
  */
 u64 scheduler_tick_max_deferment(void)
 {
-	struct rq *rq = this_rq();
-	unsigned long next, now = READ_ONCE(jiffies);
+	struct rq *rq;
+	unsigned long next, now;
 
+	if (!housekeeping_cpu(smp_processor_id(), HK_FLAG_TICK_SCHED))
+		return ktime_to_ns(KTIME_MAX);
+
+	rq = this_rq();
+	now = READ_ONCE(jiffies);
 	next = rq->last_sched_tick + HZ;
 
 	if (time_before_eq(next, now))
@@ -3062,7 +3067,82 @@ u64 scheduler_tick_max_deferment(void)
 
 	return jiffies_to_nsecs(next - now);
 }
-#endif
+
+struct tick_work {
+	int			cpu;
+	struct delayed_work	work;
+};
+
+static struct tick_work __percpu *tick_work_cpu;
+
+static void sched_tick_remote(struct work_struct *work)
+{
+	struct delayed_work *dwork = to_delayed_work(work);
+	struct tick_work *twork = container_of(dwork, struct tick_work, work);
+	int cpu = twork->cpu;
+	struct rq *rq = cpu_rq(cpu);
+	struct rq_flags rf;
+
+	/*

kernel/sched/core.c u64 scheduler_tick_max_deferment(void) · line 3096

Quoted 10 lines
kernel/sched/core.c +10 -0
+	 * Handle the tick only if it appears the remote CPU is running
+	 * in full dynticks mode. The check is racy by nature, but
+	 * missing a tick or having one too much is no big deal.
+	 */
+	if (!idle_cpu(cpu) && tick_nohz_tick_stopped_cpu(cpu)) {
+		rq_lock_irq(rq, &rf);
+		update_rq_clock(rq);
+		rq->curr->sched_class->task_tick(rq, rq->curr, 0);
+		rq_unlock_irq(rq, &rf);
+	}

OK, so this executes task_tick() remotely. What about account_process_tick()? Don't we need it as well?

In particular, when I run a hog application on a nohz_full core configured with tick offload, I can see in top that the CPU usage goes from 100% to idle for a few seconds every couple of seconds. Could this be related?

Also, in my testing I'm sometimes seeing the tick. Sometimes at 10 or 20 seconds interval. Is this expected? I'll dig deeper next week.

Quoted 110 lines
kernel/sched/core.c +51 -0
+
+	queue_delayed_work(system_unbound_wq, dwork, HZ);
+}
+
+static void sched_tick_start(int cpu)
+{
+	struct tick_work *twork;
+
+	if (housekeeping_cpu(cpu, HK_FLAG_TICK_SCHED))
+		return;
+
+	WARN_ON_ONCE(!tick_work_cpu);
+
+	twork = per_cpu_ptr(tick_work_cpu, cpu);
+	twork->cpu = cpu;
+	INIT_DELAYED_WORK(&twork->work, sched_tick_remote);
+	queue_delayed_work(system_unbound_wq, &twork->work, HZ);
+}
+
+#ifdef CONFIG_HOTPLUG_CPU
+static void sched_tick_stop(int cpu)
+{
+	struct tick_work *twork;
+
+	if (housekeeping_cpu(cpu, HK_FLAG_TICK_SCHED))
+		return;
+
+	WARN_ON_ONCE(!tick_work_cpu);
+
+	twork = per_cpu_ptr(tick_work_cpu, cpu);
+	cancel_delayed_work_sync(&twork->work);
+}
+#endif /* CONFIG_HOTPLUG_CPU */
+
+int __init sched_tick_offload_init(void)
+{
+	tick_work_cpu = alloc_percpu(struct tick_work);
+	if (!tick_work_cpu) {
+		pr_err("Can't allocate remote tick struct\n");
+		return -ENOMEM;
+	}
+
+	return 0;
+}
+
+#else
+static void sched_tick_start(int cpu) { }
+static void sched_tick_stop(int cpu) { }
+#endif /* CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL */
 
 #if defined(CONFIG_PREEMPT) && (defined(CONFIG_DEBUG_PREEMPT) || \
 				defined(CONFIG_PREEMPT_TRACER))
@@ -5713,6 +5793,7 @@ int sched_cpu_starting(unsigned int cpu)
 {
 	set_cpu_rq_start_time(cpu);
 	sched_rq_cpu_starting(cpu);
+	sched_tick_start(cpu);
 	return 0;
 }
 
@@ -5724,6 +5805,7 @@ int sched_cpu_dying(unsigned int cpu)
 
 	/* Handle pending wakeups and then migrate everything off */
 	sched_ttwu_pending();
+	sched_tick_stop(cpu);
 
 	rq_lock_irqsave(rq, &rf);
 	if (rq->rd) {
kernel/sched/isolation.c +4 -0
index 264ddcd..c5e7e90a 100644
@@ -12,6 +12,7 @@
 #include <linux/kernel.h>
 #include <linux/static_key.h>
 #include <linux/ctype.h>
+#include "sched.h"
 
 DEFINE_STATIC_KEY_FALSE(housekeeping_overriden);
 EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(housekeeping_overriden);
@@ -60,6 +61,9 @@ void __init housekeeping_init(void)
 
 	static_branch_enable(&housekeeping_overriden);
 
+	if (housekeeping_flags & HK_FLAG_TICK_SCHED)
+		sched_tick_offload_init();
+
 	/* We need at least one CPU to handle housekeeping work */
 	WARN_ON_ONCE(cpumask_empty(housekeeping_mask));
 }
kernel/sched/sched.h +2 -0
index b19552a2..5a3b82c 100644
@@ -1587,6 +1587,7 @@ extern void post_init_entity_util_avg(struct sched_entity *se);
 
 #ifdef CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL
 extern bool sched_can_stop_tick(struct rq *rq);
+extern int __init sched_tick_offload_init(void);
 
 /*
  * Tick may be needed by tasks in the runqueue depending on their policy and
@@ -1611,6 +1612,7 @@ static inline void sched_update_tick_dependency(struct rq *rq)
 		tick_nohz_dep_set_cpu(cpu, TICK_DEP_BIT_SCHED);
 }
 #else
+static inline int sched_tick_offload_init(void) { return 0; }
 static inline void sched_update_tick_dependency(struct rq *rq) { }
 #endif
 
author maintainer
#6 lore raw

Re: [PATCH 4/5] sched/isolation: Residual 1Hz scheduler tick offload

Quoted 81 lines · Luiz Capitulino
Quoted 78 lines · On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 05:25:36 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker <[email protected]>…

When a CPU runs in full dynticks mode, a 1Hz tick remains in order to keep the scheduler stats alive. However this residual tick is a burden for bare metal tasks that can't stand any interruption at all, or want to minimize them.

Adding the boot parameter "isolcpus=nohz_offload" will now outsource these scheduler ticks to the global workqueue so that a housekeeping CPU handles that tick remotely.

Note it's still up to the user to affine the global workqueues to the housekeeping CPUs through /sys/devices/virtual/workqueue/cpumask or domains isolation.

Cc Chris Metcalf <[email protected]>
Cc Christoph Lameter <[email protected]>
Cc Luiz Capitulino <[email protected]>
Cc Mike Galbraith <[email protected]>
Cc Paul E. McKenney <[email protected]>
Cc Peter Zijlstra <[email protected]>
Cc Rik van Riel <[email protected]>
Cc Thomas Gleixner <[email protected]>
Cc Wanpeng Li <[email protected]>
Cc Ingo Molnar <[email protected]>
---
 kernel/sched/core.c      | 88 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
 kernel/sched/isolation.c |  4 +++
 kernel/sched/sched.h     |  2 ++
 3 files changed, 91 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
kernel/sched/core.c +29 -3
index d72d0e9..b964890 100644
@@ -3052,9 +3052,14 @@ void scheduler_tick(void)
  */
 u64 scheduler_tick_max_deferment(void)
 {
-	struct rq *rq = this_rq();
-	unsigned long next, now = READ_ONCE(jiffies);
+	struct rq *rq;
+	unsigned long next, now;
 
+	if (!housekeeping_cpu(smp_processor_id(), HK_FLAG_TICK_SCHED))
+		return ktime_to_ns(KTIME_MAX);
+
+	rq = this_rq();
+	now = READ_ONCE(jiffies);
 	next = rq->last_sched_tick + HZ;
 
 	if (time_before_eq(next, now))
@@ -3062,7 +3067,82 @@ u64 scheduler_tick_max_deferment(void)
 
 	return jiffies_to_nsecs(next - now);
 }
-#endif
+
+struct tick_work {
+	int			cpu;
+	struct delayed_work	work;
+};
+
+static struct tick_work __percpu *tick_work_cpu;
+
+static void sched_tick_remote(struct work_struct *work)
+{
+	struct delayed_work *dwork = to_delayed_work(work);
+	struct tick_work *twork = container_of(dwork, struct tick_work, work);
+	int cpu = twork->cpu;
+	struct rq *rq = cpu_rq(cpu);
+	struct rq_flags rf;
+
+	/*
+	 * Handle the tick only if it appears the remote CPU is running
+	 * in full dynticks mode. The check is racy by nature, but
+	 * missing a tick or having one too much is no big deal.
+	 */
+	if (!idle_cpu(cpu) && tick_nohz_tick_stopped_cpu(cpu)) {
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kernel/sched/core.c u64 scheduler_tick_max_deferment(void) · line 3096

Quoted 5 lines
kernel/sched/core.c +5 -0
+		rq_lock_irq(rq, &rf);
+		update_rq_clock(rq);
+		rq->curr->sched_class->task_tick(rq, rq->curr, 0);
+		rq_unlock_irq(rq, &rf);
+	}

OK, so this executes task_tick() remotely. What about account_process_tick()? Don't we need it as well?

Nope, tasks in nohz_full mode have their special accounting that doesn't rely on the tick.

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In particular, when I run a hog application on a nohz_full core configured with tick offload, I can see in top that the CPU usage goes from 100% to idle for a few seconds every couple of seconds. Could this be related?

Also, in my testing I'm sometimes seeing the tick. Sometimes at 10 or 20 seconds interval. Is this expected? I'll dig deeper next week.

That's expected, see the changelog: the offload is not affine by default. You need to either also isolate the domains:

isolcpus=nohz_offload,domain

or tweak the workqueue cpumask through:

/sys/devices/virtual/workqueue/cpumask

Thanks.

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Re: [PATCH 4/5] sched/isolation: Residual 1Hz scheduler tick offload

Quoted 91 lines · On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:57:45 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker <[email protected]>…
Quoted 81 lines · Luiz Capitulino
Quoted 78 lines · On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 05:25:36 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker <[email protected]>…

When a CPU runs in full dynticks mode, a 1Hz tick remains in order to keep the scheduler stats alive. However this residual tick is a burden for bare metal tasks that can't stand any interruption at all, or want to minimize them.

Adding the boot parameter "isolcpus=nohz_offload" will now outsource these scheduler ticks to the global workqueue so that a housekeeping CPU handles that tick remotely.

Note it's still up to the user to affine the global workqueues to the housekeeping CPUs through /sys/devices/virtual/workqueue/cpumask or domains isolation.

Cc Chris Metcalf <[email protected]>
Cc Christoph Lameter <[email protected]>
Cc Luiz Capitulino <[email protected]>
Cc Mike Galbraith <[email protected]>
Cc Paul E. McKenney <[email protected]>
Cc Peter Zijlstra <[email protected]>
Cc Rik van Riel <[email protected]>
Cc Thomas Gleixner <[email protected]>
Cc Wanpeng Li <[email protected]>
Cc Ingo Molnar <[email protected]>
---
 kernel/sched/core.c      | 88 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
 kernel/sched/isolation.c |  4 +++
 kernel/sched/sched.h     |  2 ++
 3 files changed, 91 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
kernel/sched/core.c +29 -3
index d72d0e9..b964890 100644
@@ -3052,9 +3052,14 @@ void scheduler_tick(void)
  */
 u64 scheduler_tick_max_deferment(void)
 {
-	struct rq *rq = this_rq();
-	unsigned long next, now = READ_ONCE(jiffies);
+	struct rq *rq;
+	unsigned long next, now;
 
+	if (!housekeeping_cpu(smp_processor_id(), HK_FLAG_TICK_SCHED))
+		return ktime_to_ns(KTIME_MAX);
+
+	rq = this_rq();
+	now = READ_ONCE(jiffies);
 	next = rq->last_sched_tick + HZ;
 
 	if (time_before_eq(next, now))
@@ -3062,7 +3067,82 @@ u64 scheduler_tick_max_deferment(void)
 
 	return jiffies_to_nsecs(next - now);
 }
-#endif
+
+struct tick_work {
+	int			cpu;
+	struct delayed_work	work;
+};
+
+static struct tick_work __percpu *tick_work_cpu;
+
+static void sched_tick_remote(struct work_struct *work)
+{
+	struct delayed_work *dwork = to_delayed_work(work);
+	struct tick_work *twork = container_of(dwork, struct tick_work, work);
+	int cpu = twork->cpu;
+	struct rq *rq = cpu_rq(cpu);
+	struct rq_flags rf;
+
+	/*
+	 * Handle the tick only if it appears the remote CPU is running
+	 * in full dynticks mode. The check is racy by nature, but
+	 * missing a tick or having one too much is no big deal.
+	 */
+	if (!idle_cpu(cpu) && tick_nohz_tick_stopped_cpu(cpu)) {
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kernel/sched/core.c u64 scheduler_tick_max_deferment(void) · line 3096

Quoted 5 lines
kernel/sched/core.c +5 -0
+		rq_lock_irq(rq, &rf);
+		update_rq_clock(rq);
+		rq->curr->sched_class->task_tick(rq, rq->curr, 0);
+		rq_unlock_irq(rq, &rf);
+	}  

OK, so this executes task_tick() remotely. What about account_process_tick()? Don't we need it as well?

Quoted 2 lines

Nope, tasks in nohz_full mode have their special accounting that doesn't rely on the tick.

OK, excellent.

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Quoted 6 lines

In particular, when I run a hog application on a nohz_full core configured with tick offload, I can see in top that the CPU usage goes from 100% to idle for a few seconds every couple of seconds. Could this be related?

Also, in my testing I'm sometimes seeing the tick. Sometimes at 10 or 20 seconds interval. Is this expected? I'll dig deeper next week.

Quoted 8 lines

That's expected, see the changelog: the offload is not affine by default. You need to either also isolate the domains:

isolcpus=nohz_offload,domain

or tweak the workqueue cpumask through:

/sys/devices/virtual/workqueue/cpumask

Yeah, I already do that. Later today or tomorrow I'll debug this to see if the problem is in my setup or not.

Quoted 3 lines

Thanks.

author maintainer
#8 lore raw

PATCH 5/5 sched/isolation: Document "nohz_offload" flag

In reply to Frederic Weisbecker

Document the interface to offload the 1Hz scheduler tick in full dynticks mode. Also improve the comment about the existing "nohz" flag in order to differentiate its behaviour.

Cc Chris Metcalf <[email protected]>
Cc Christoph Lameter <[email protected]>
Cc Luiz Capitulino <[email protected]>
Cc Mike Galbraith <[email protected]>
Cc Paul E. McKenney <[email protected]>
Cc Peter Zijlstra <[email protected]>
Cc Rik van Riel <[email protected]>
Cc Thomas Gleixner <[email protected]>
Cc Wanpeng Li <[email protected]>
Cc Ingo Molnar <[email protected]>
---
 Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt | 7 ++++++-
 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt +6 -1
index af7104a..2524296 100644
@@ -1749,7 +1749,12 @@
 			specified in the flag list (default: domain):
 
 			nohz
-			  Disable the tick when a single task runs.
+			  Disable the tick when a single task runs. A residual 1Hz
+			  tick remains to maintain scheduler stats alive.
+			nohz_offload
+			  Like nohz but the residual 1Hz tick is offloaded to
+			  housekeeping CPUs, leaving the CPU free of any tick if
+			  nothing else requests it.
 			domain
 			  Isolate from the general SMP balancing and scheduling
 			  algorithms. Note that performing domain isolation this way
Signature · 1 line
2.7.4
#9 lore raw
In reply to Frederic Weisbecker
Quoted 14 lines · On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 05:25:32 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker <[email protected]>…

Ingo,

Please pull the sched/0hz branch that can be found at:

git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/frederic/linux-dynticks.git
sched/0hz

HEAD: 9e932b2cc707209febd130978a5eb9f4a943a3f4

--
Now that scheduler_tick() has become resilient towards the absence of ticks, current->sched_class->task_tick() is the last piece that needs at least 1Hz tick to keep scheduler stats alive.

Quoted 8 lines

This patchset adds a flag to the isolcpus boot option to offload the residual 1Hz tick. This way the nohz_full CPUs don't have anymore tick (assuming nothing else requires it) as their residual 1Hz tick is offloaded to the housekeepers.

For quick testing, say on CPUs 1-7:

	"isolcpus=nohz_offload,domain,1-7"

Sorry for being very late to this series, but I've a few comments to make (one right now and others in individual patches).

Why are extending isolcpus= given that it's a deprecated interface? Some people have already moved away from isolcpus= now, but with this new feature they will be forced back to using it.

What about just adding the new functionality to nohz_full=? That is, no new options, just make the tick go away since this has always been what nohz_full= was intended to do?

Quoted 22 lines

Thanks,
Frederic
---

Frederic Weisbecker (5):
sched: Rename init_rq_hrtick to hrtick_rq_init sched/isolation: Add scheduler tick offloading interface
nohz: Allow to check if remote CPU tick is stopped sched/isolation: Residual 1Hz scheduler tick offload sched/isolation: Document "nohz_offload" flag

 Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt |  7 +-
 include/linux/sched/isolation.h                 |  3 +-
 include/linux/tick.h                            |  2 +
 kernel/sched/core.c                             | 94 +++++++++++++++++++++++--
 kernel/sched/isolation.c                        | 10 +++
 kernel/sched/sched.h                            |  2 +
 kernel/time/tick-sched.c                        |  7 ++
 7 files changed, 117 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
author maintainer
#10 lore raw
Quoted 24 lines · Luiz Capitulino
Quoted 21 lines · On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 05:25:32 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker <[email protected]>…

Ingo,

Please pull the sched/0hz branch that can be found at:

git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/frederic/linux-dynticks.git
sched/0hz

HEAD: 9e932b2cc707209febd130978a5eb9f4a943a3f4

--
Now that scheduler_tick() has become resilient towards the absence of ticks, current->sched_class->task_tick() is the last piece that needs at least 1Hz tick to keep scheduler stats alive.

This patchset adds a flag to the isolcpus boot option to offload the residual 1Hz tick. This way the nohz_full CPUs don't have anymore tick (assuming nothing else requires it) as their residual 1Hz tick is offloaded to the housekeepers.

For quick testing, say on CPUs 1-7:

Quoted 8 lines
Quoted 1 line
	"isolcpus=nohz_offload,domain,1-7"

Sorry for being very late to this series, but I've a few comments to make (one right now and others in individual patches).

Why are extending isolcpus= given that it's a deprecated interface? Some people have already moved away from isolcpus= now, but with this new feature they will be forced back to using it.

I tried to remove isolcpus or at least change the way it works so that its effects are reversible (ie: affine the init task instead of isolating domains) but that got nacked due to the behaviour's expectations for userspace.

That's when I realized that kernel parameters are like userspace ABIs, they can't be removed easily whether we deprecate them or not.

Also I needed to be able to control the various isolation features, and nohz_full is the wrong place to do that as nohz_full is really just an isolation feature like the others, nohz_full= should really just imply full dynticks and not watchdog, workqueue or tilegx NAPI isolation...

So isolcpus= is now the place where we control the isolation features and nohz is one of them.

The complain about isolcpus is the immutable result. I'm thinking about making it modifiable to cpuset but I only see two possible solutions:

- Make the root cpuset modifiable
- Create a directory called "isolcpus" visible on the first cpuset mount and move all processes there.

Quoted 3 lines

What about just adding the new functionality to nohz_full=? That is, no new options, just make the tick go away since this has always been what nohz_full= was intended to do?

We can, or have isolcpus=nohz to do it, as both do almost the same.

But I'm afraid about the overhead for people used to nohz_full= once they upgrade their kernels and see those workqueues once per second.

We can still affine those workqueues (in fact the whole unbound workqueue mask) outside the nohz_full range. Still current users may be surprised about that new overhead on housekeeping CPUs...

#11 lore raw
Quoted 38 lines · On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:41:00 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker <[email protected]>…
Quoted 24 lines · Luiz Capitulino
Quoted 21 lines · On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 05:25:32 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker <[email protected]>…

Ingo,

Please pull the sched/0hz branch that can be found at:

git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/frederic/linux-dynticks.git
sched/0hz

HEAD: 9e932b2cc707209febd130978a5eb9f4a943a3f4

--
Now that scheduler_tick() has become resilient towards the absence of ticks, current->sched_class->task_tick() is the last piece that needs at least 1Hz tick to keep scheduler stats alive.

This patchset adds a flag to the isolcpus boot option to offload the residual 1Hz tick. This way the nohz_full CPUs don't have anymore tick (assuming nothing else requires it) as their residual 1Hz tick is offloaded to the housekeepers.

For quick testing, say on CPUs 1-7:

Quoted 8 lines
Quoted 1 line
	"isolcpus=nohz_offload,domain,1-7"  

Sorry for being very late to this series, but I've a few comments to make (one right now and others in individual patches).

Why are extending isolcpus= given that it's a deprecated interface? Some people have already moved away from isolcpus= now, but with this new feature they will be forced back to using it.

I tried to remove isolcpus or at least change the way it works so that its effects are reversible (ie: affine the init task instead of isolating domains) but that got nacked due to the behaviour's expectations for userspace.

Quoted 7 lines

That's when I realized that kernel parameters are like userspace ABIs, they can't be removed easily whether we deprecate them or not.

Also I needed to be able to control the various isolation features, and nohz_full is the wrong place to do that as nohz_full is really just an isolation feature like the others, nohz_full= should really just imply full dynticks and not watchdog, workqueue or tilegx NAPI isolation...

Yeah, I completely agree with that.

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So isolcpus= is now the place where we control the isolation features and nohz is one of them.

That's the part I'm not very sure about. We've been advising users to move away from isolcpus= when possible, but this very wanted nohz_offload feature will force everyone back to using isolcpus= again.

I have the impression this series is trying to solve two problems:

1. How (and where) we control the various isolation features in the kernel

2. Where we add the control for the tick offload feature

I think item 1 is too complex to solve right now. IMHO, this series should focus on item 2. And regarding item 2, I think we have two choices to make:

1. Make tick offload a first class citizen by making it default to nohz_full=. If there are regressions, we handle them

2. Add a new option to nohz_full=, like nohz_full=tick_offload

As an avid user of nohz_full I'm dying to see option 1 happening, but I'm not totally sure what the consequences can be.

Another idea is to add CONFIG_NOHZ_TICK_OFFLOAD as an experimental feature.

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The complain about isolcpus is the immutable result. I'm thinking about making it modifiable to cpuset but I only see two possible solutions:

- Make the root cpuset modifiable
- Create a directory called "isolcpus" visible on the first cpuset mount and move all processes there.

So, if we move the control of the tick offload to nohz_full= itself, we can completely ditch any isolcpus= change in this series.

I think this should give you a great relief :)

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What about just adding the new functionality to nohz_full=? That is, no new options, just make the tick go away since this has always been what nohz_full= was intended to do?

We can, or have isolcpus=nohz to do it, as both do almost the same.

But I'm afraid about the overhead for people used to nohz_full= once they upgrade their kernels and see those workqueues once per second.

We can still affine those workqueues (in fact the whole unbound workqueue mask) outside the nohz_full range. Still current users may be surprised about that new overhead on housekeeping CPUs...

author maintainer
#12 lore raw
Quoted 8 lines · Luiz Capitulino
Quoted 2 lines · On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:41:00 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker <[email protected]>…

So isolcpus= is now the place where we control the isolation features and nohz is one of them.

That's the part I'm not very sure about. We've been advising users to move away from isolcpus= when possible, but this very wanted nohz_offload feature will force everyone back to using isolcpus= again.

Note "isolcpus=nohz" only implies nohz. You need to add "domain" to get the behaviour that you've been advising users against. We are simply reusing a kernel parameter that was abandoned to now control the isolation features that were disorganized and opaque behind nohz.

Quoted 5 lines

I have the impression this series is trying to solve two problems:

1. How (and where) we control the various isolation features in the kernel

No, that has already been done in the previous merge window. We have a dedicated isolation subsystem now (kernel/sched/isolation.c) and
an interface to control all these isolation features that were abusively implied by nohz. The initial plan was to introduce "cpu_isolation=" but it looked too much like "isolcpus=". Then in fact, why not using "isolcpus=" and give it a second life. And there we are.

In the end the goal is to propagate what is passed to "isolcpus=" to cpusets.

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2. Where we add the control for the tick offload feature

I think item 1 is too complex to solve right now. IMHO, this series should focus on item 2. And regarding item 2, I think we have two choices to make:

1. Make tick offload a first class citizen by making it default to nohz_full=. If there are regressions, we handle them

That's a possible way to go.

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2. Add a new option to nohz_full=, like nohz_full=tick_offload

As an avid user of nohz_full I'm dying to see option 1 happening, but I'm not totally sure what the consequences can be.

"nohz_full=" parameter has been badly designed as it implies much more than just full dynticks. So I'm not really looking forward to expanding it.

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Another idea is to add CONFIG_NOHZ_TICK_OFFLOAD as an experimental feature.

I fear it's way too distro-unfriendly. They will want to have it as a capability without necessarily running it. Just like they do with CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL.

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The complain about isolcpus is the immutable result. I'm thinking about making it modifiable to cpuset but I only see two possible solutions:

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- Make the root cpuset modifiable
- Create a directory called "isolcpus" visible on the first cpuset mount and move all processes there.

So, if we move the control of the tick offload to nohz_full= itself, we can completely ditch any isolcpus= change in this series.

I think this should give you a great relief :)

Not at all :)

What would be a great relief to me is that we can finally propagate isolcpus= to cpusets so that we can continue to expand it without a second thought.

#13 lore raw
Quoted 21 lines · On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 23:51:29 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker <[email protected]>…
Quoted 8 lines · Luiz Capitulino
Quoted 2 lines · On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:41:00 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker <[email protected]>…

So isolcpus= is now the place where we control the isolation features and nohz is one of them.

That's the part I'm not very sure about. We've been advising users to move away from isolcpus= when possible, but this very wanted nohz_offload feature will force everyone back to using isolcpus= again.

Note "isolcpus=nohz" only implies nohz. You need to add "domain" to get the behaviour that you've been advising users against. We are simply reusing a kernel parameter that was abandoned to now control the isolation features that were disorganized and opaque behind nohz.

Quoted 5 lines

I have the impression this series is trying to solve two problems:

1. How (and where) we control the various isolation features in the kernel

Quoted 6 lines

No, that has already been done in the previous merge window. We have a dedicated isolation subsystem now (kernel/sched/isolation.c) and
an interface to control all these isolation features that were abusively implied by nohz. The initial plan was to introduce "cpu_isolation=" but it looked too much like "isolcpus=". Then in fact, why not using "isolcpus=" and give it a second life. And there we are.

OK, I get it now. But then series has to un-deprecate isolcpus= otherwise it doesn't make sense to use it.

author maintainer
#14 lore raw
Quoted 31 lines · Luiz Capitulino
Quoted 21 lines · On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 23:51:29 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker <[email protected]>…
Quoted 8 lines · Luiz Capitulino
Quoted 2 lines · On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:41:00 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker <[email protected]>…

So isolcpus= is now the place where we control the isolation features and nohz is one of them.

That's the part I'm not very sure about. We've been advising users to move away from isolcpus= when possible, but this very wanted nohz_offload feature will force everyone back to using isolcpus= again.

Note "isolcpus=nohz" only implies nohz. You need to add "domain" to get the behaviour that you've been advising users against. We are simply reusing a kernel parameter that was abandoned to now control the isolation features that were disorganized and opaque behind nohz.

Quoted 5 lines

I have the impression this series is trying to solve two problems:

1. How (and where) we control the various isolation features in the kernel

Quoted 6 lines

No, that has already been done in the previous merge window. We have a dedicated isolation subsystem now (kernel/sched/isolation.c) and
an interface to control all these isolation features that were abusively implied by nohz. The initial plan was to introduce "cpu_isolation=" but it looked too much like "isolcpus=". Then in fact, why not using "isolcpus=" and give it a second life. And there we are.

Quoted 2 lines

OK, I get it now. But then series has to un-deprecate isolcpus= otherwise it doesn't make sense to use it.

Good point. Also I think you convinced me toward just applying that tick offload on the existing nohz kernel parameter right away, that is, to both existing "nohz_full=" and "isolcpus=nohz".

After all that tick offload is an implementation detail.

Like you said if people complain about a regression, we can still fix it with a new option. But eventually I doubt this will be needed.

I'll respin with that.

Thanks!

#15 lore raw
Quoted 39 lines · On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 04:04:43 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker <[email protected]>…
Quoted 31 lines · Luiz Capitulino
Quoted 21 lines · On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 23:51:29 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker <[email protected]>…
Quoted 8 lines · Luiz Capitulino
Quoted 2 lines · On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:41:00 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker <[email protected]>…

So isolcpus= is now the place where we control the isolation features and nohz is one of them.

That's the part I'm not very sure about. We've been advising users to move away from isolcpus= when possible, but this very wanted nohz_offload feature will force everyone back to using isolcpus= again.

Note "isolcpus=nohz" only implies nohz. You need to add "domain" to get the behaviour that you've been advising users against. We are simply reusing a kernel parameter that was abandoned to now control the isolation features that were disorganized and opaque behind nohz.

Quoted 5 lines

I have the impression this series is trying to solve two problems:

1. How (and where) we control the various isolation features in the kernel

Quoted 6 lines

No, that has already been done in the previous merge window. We have a dedicated isolation subsystem now (kernel/sched/isolation.c) and
an interface to control all these isolation features that were abusively implied by nohz. The initial plan was to introduce "cpu_isolation=" but it looked too much like "isolcpus=". Then in fact, why not using "isolcpus=" and give it a second life. And there we are.

Quoted 2 lines

OK, I get it now. But then series has to un-deprecate isolcpus= otherwise it doesn't make sense to use it.

Good point. Also I think you convinced me toward just applying that tick offload on the existing nohz kernel parameter right away, that is, to both existing "nohz_full=" and "isolcpus=nohz".

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After all that tick offload is an implementation detail.

Like you said if people complain about a regression, we can still fix it with a new option. But eventually I doubt this will be needed.

I'll respin with that.

Exciting times!

Btw, I do have this problem where I have a hog app on an isolated core with isolcpus=nohz_offload,domain,... and I see top -d1 going from 100% to 0% and then back from 0% to 100% every few seconds or so. I'll debug it when you post the next version.

#16 lore raw
In reply to Frederic Weisbecker
Quoted 9 lines · Frederic Weisbecker
Quoted 3 lines · Luiz Capitulino

Why are extending isolcpus= given that it's a deprecated interface? Some people have already moved away from isolcpus= now, but with this new feature they will be forced back to using it.

I tried to remove isolcpus or at least change the way it works so that its effects are reversible (ie: affine the init task instead of isolating domains) but that got nacked due to the behaviour's expectations for userspace.

So we paint ourselves into a static corner forever more, despite every bit of this being all about "properties of sets of cpus", ie precisely what cpusets was born to do.  That's sad, dynamic wasn't that far away.

-Mike

author maintainer
#17 lore raw
Quoted 7 lines · Mike Galbraith
Quoted 6 lines · Frederic Weisbecker
Quoted 3 lines · Luiz Capitulino

Why are extending isolcpus= given that it's a deprecated interface? Some people have already moved away from isolcpus= now, but with this new feature they will be forced back to using it.

Quoted 7 lines
Quoted 3 lines

I tried to remove isolcpus or at least change the way it works so that its effects are reversible (ie: affine the init task instead of isolating domains) but that got nacked due to the behaviour's expectations for userspace.

So we paint ourselves into a static corner forever more, despite every bit of this being all about "properties of sets of cpus", ie precisely what cpusets was born to do.  That's sad, dynamic wasn't that far away.

Hence why we need to propagate "isolcpus=" to cpusets.

#18 lore raw
In reply to Mike Galbraith
Quoted 7 lines · Mike Galbraith
Quoted 3 lines

I tried to remove isolcpus or at least change the way it works so that its effects are reversible (ie: affine the init task instead of isolating domains) but that got nacked due to the behaviour's expectations for userspace.

So we paint ourselves into a static corner forever more, despite every bit of this being all about "properties of sets of cpus", ie precisely what cpusets was born to do.  That's sad, dynamic wasn't that far away.

cpusets was born in order to isolate applications to sets of processors. The properties of sets of cpus was not on the horizon when SGI started this.

We have sets of cpus associated with affinity masks in the form of bitmaps etc etc which is much more lightweight than having slug around the cgroup overhead everywhere.

A simple bitmask is much better if you have to control detailed system behavior for each core and are planning each processes role because you need to make full use of the harware resources available.

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Quoted 6 lines · Christopher Lameter
Quoted 4 lines · Mike Galbraith
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I tried to remove isolcpus or at least change the way it works so that its effects are reversible (ie: affine the init task instead of isolating domains) but that got nacked due to the behaviour's expectations for userspace.

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So we paint ourselves into a static corner forever more, despite every bit of this being all about "properties of sets of cpus", ie precisely what cpusets was born to do.  That's sad, dynamic wasn't that far away.

cpusets was born in order to isolate applications to sets of processors. The properties of sets of cpus was not on the horizon when SGI started this.

Domain connectivity very much is a property of a set of CPUs, a rather important one, and one managed by cpusets.  NOHZ_FULL is a property of a set of cpus, thus a most excellent fit.  Other things are as well.

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We have sets of cpus associated with affinity masks in the form of bitmaps etc etc which is much more lightweight than having slug around the cgroup overhead everywhere.

What does everywhere mean, set creation time?

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A simple bitmask is much better if you have to control detailed system behavior for each core and are planning each processes role because you need to make full use of the harware resources available.

If you live in a static world, maybe.

I like the flexibility of being able to configure on the fly.  One tiny
example: for a high performance aircraft manufacturer, having military simulation background, I know that simulators frequently have to be ready to go at the drop of a hat, so I twiddled cpusets to let them flip their extra fancy video game (80 cores, real controls/avionics... "game over, insert one gold bar to continue" kind of fancy) from low power idle to full bore hard realtime with one poke to a cpuset file.

Static may be fine for some, for others, dynamic is much better.

-Mike

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Domain connectivity very much is a property of a set of CPUs, a rather important one, and one managed by cpusets.  NOHZ_FULL is a property of a set of cpus, thus a most excellent fit.  Other things are as well.

Not sure to what domain refers to in this context.

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We have sets of cpus associated with affinity masks in the form of bitmaps etc etc which is much more lightweight than having slug around the cgroup overhead everywhere.

What does everywhere mean, set creation time?

You would need to create multiple cgroups to create what you want. Those will "inherit" characteristics from higher levels etc etc. It gets needlessly complicated and difficult to debug if something goes work.

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A simple bitmask is much better if you have to control detailed system behavior for each core and are planning each processes role because you need to make full use of the harware resources available.

If you live in a static world, maybe.

Why would that be restricted to a static world?

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I like the flexibility of being able to configure on the fly.  One tiny
example: for a high performance aircraft manufacturer, having military simulation background, I know that simulators frequently have to be ready to go at the drop of a hat, so I twiddled cpusets to let them flip their extra fancy video game (80 cores, real controls/avionics... "game over, insert one gold bar to continue" kind of fancy) from low power idle to full bore hard realtime with one poke to a cpuset file.

Static may be fine for some, for others, dynamic is much better.

The problem is that I may be flipping a flag in a cpuset to enable something but some other cpuset somewhere in the complex hieracy does something different that causes a conflict. The directness to control is lost. Instead there is the fog of complexity created by the cgroups that have various plugins and whatnot.

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Domain connectivity very much is a property of a set of CPUs, a rather important one, and one managed by cpusets.  NOHZ_FULL is a property of a set of cpus, thus a most excellent fit.  Other things are as well.

Not sure to what domain refers to in this context.

Scheduler domains, load balancing.

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We have sets of cpus associated with affinity masks in the form of bitmaps etc etc which is much more lightweight than having slug around the cgroup overhead everywhere.

What does everywhere mean, set creation time?

You would need to create multiple cgroups to create what you want. Those will "inherit" characteristics from higher levels etc etc. It gets needlessly complicated and difficult to debug if something goes work.

It's only as complicated as you make it.  What I create is dirt simple, an exclusive system set and an exclusive realtime set, both directly under root.  It doesn't get any simpler than that.

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A simple bitmask is much better if you have to control detailed system behavior for each core and are planning each processes role because you need to make full use of the harware resources available.

If you live in a static world, maybe.

Why would that be restricted to a static world?

Guess I misunderstood, unimportant.

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I like the flexibility of being able to configure on the fly.  One tiny
example: for a high performance aircraft manufacturer, having military simulation background, I know that simulators frequently have to be ready to go at the drop of a hat, so I twiddled cpusets to let them flip their extra fancy video game (80 cores, real controls/avionics... "game over, insert one gold bar to continue" kind of fancy) from low power idle to full bore hard realtime with one poke to a cpuset file.

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Static may be fine for some, for others, dynamic is much better.

The problem is that I may be flipping a flag in a cpuset to enable something but some other cpuset somewhere in the complex hieracy does something different that causes a conflict.

That's what exclusive sets are for, zero set overlap.  It would be very difficult to both connect and disconnect scheduler domains :)

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lost. Instead there is the fog of complexity created by the cgroups that have various plugins and whatnot.

You don't have to use any of the other controllers, I don't, just tell systemthing to pretty please NOT co-mount controllers, and whatever to ensure it keeps its tentacles off of your toys, and you're fine.

-Mike