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DISCUSSION Patel, Vedang 4 participants 5 messages Sep 15, 2018 – Sep 21, 2018

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Hi all,

We have been playing around with SCHED_DEADLINE and found some discrepancy around the calculation of nr_involuntary_switches and nr_voluntary_switches in /proc/${PID}/sched.

Whenever the task is done with it's work earlier and executes sched_yield() to voluntarily gives up the CPU this increments nr_involuntary_switches. It should have incremented nr_voluntary_switches.

This can be easily demonstrated by running cyclicdeadline task which is part of rt-tests(https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/utils/rt-tests/rt-tests .git/) and checking the value of nr_voluntary_switches.

Please note that the issue seems to be with sched_yield() and not SCHED_DEADLINE because we have seen similar behavior when we tried switching to other policies. But, we are using SCHED_DEADLINE because it is one of the (very) few scenarios where sched_yield() can be used correctly.

Some analysis:
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I enabled the sched/sched_switch (setting cyclicdeadline as filter) and syscalls/sys_enter_sched_yield events to check whether the sched_yield() call was resulting in a new task running. I got the following results:

  cyclicdeadline-3290  [003] .......  3111.132786: tracing_mark_write: start at 3111125101 off=3 (period=3111125098 next=3111126098) cyclicdeadline-3290  [003] ....1..  3111.132789: sys_sched_yield()
  cyclicdeadline-3290  [003] d...2..  3111.132797: sched_switch: prev_comm=cyclicdeadline prev_pid=3290 prev_prio=-1 prev_state=R ==> next_comm=swapper/3 next_pid=0 next_prio=120 cyclicdeadline-3290  [003] .......  3111.133786: tracing_mark_write: start at 3111126101 off=3 (period=3111126098 next=3111127098) cyclicdeadline-3290  [003] ....1..  3111.133789: sys_sched_yield()
  cyclicdeadline-3290  [003] d...2..  3111.133797: sched_switch: prev_comm=cyclicdeadline prev_pid=3290 prev_prio=-1 prev_state=R ==> next_comm=swapper/3 next_pid=0 next_prio=120 cyclicdeadline-3290  [003] .......  3111.134786: tracing_mark_write: start at 3111127101 off=3 (period=3111127098 next=3111128098) cyclicdeadline-3290  [003] ....1..  3111.134789: sys_sched_yield()
  cyclicdeadline-3290  [003] d...2..  3111.134797: sched_switch: prev_comm=cyclicdeadline prev_pid=3290 prev_prio=-1 prev_state=R ==> next_comm=swapper/3 next_pid=0 next_prio=120
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As seen above, all the sched_yield calls are followed by sched switch. So, we believe that the sched_yield() is actually resulting in a switch. The values for nr_voluntary_switches/nr_involuntary_switches in this scenario:

nr_switches                                  :               138753 nr_voluntary_switches                        :                    1 nr_involuntary_switches                      :               138752

Looking at __schedule() in kernel/sched/core.c, the switch is counted as part of nr_involuntary_switches if the task has not been preempted and the task is TASK_RUNNING state. This does not seem to happen when sched_yield() is called.

Is there something we are missing over here? OR Is this a known issue and is planned to be fixed later?

Thanks,
Vedang Patel


#1 lore raw

Hi,

Quoted 10 lines · Vedang

Hi all,

We have been playing around with SCHED_DEADLINE and found some discrepancy around the calculation of nr_involuntary_switches and nr_voluntary_switches in /proc/${PID}/sched.

Whenever the task is done with it's work earlier and executes sched_yield() to voluntarily gives up the CPU this increments nr_involuntary_switches. It should have incremented nr_voluntary_switches.

Mmm, I see what you are saying.

[...]

Quoted 4 lines

Looking at __schedule() in kernel/sched/core.c, the switch is counted as part of nr_involuntary_switches if the task has not been preempted and the task is TASK_RUNNING state. This does not seem to happen when sched_yield() is called.

Mmm,

- nr_voluntary_switches++ if !preempt && !RUNNING
- nr_involuntary_switches++ otherwise (yield fits this as the task is still RUNNING, even though throttled for DEADLINE)

Not sure this is the same as what you say above..

Quoted 2 lines

Is there something we are missing over here? OR Is this a known issue and is planned to be fixed later?

.. however, not sure. Peter, what you say. It looks like we might indeed want to account yield as a voluntary switch, seems to fit. In this case I guess we could use a flag or add a sched_ bit to task_struct to handle the case?

Best,

- Juri

#2 lore raw
Quoted 31 lines · Juri Lelli

Hi,

Quoted 10 lines · Vedang

Hi all,

We have been playing around with SCHED_DEADLINE and found some discrepancy around the calculation of nr_involuntary_switches and nr_voluntary_switches in /proc/${PID}/sched.

Whenever the task is done with it's work earlier and executes sched_yield() to voluntarily gives up the CPU this increments nr_involuntary_switches. It should have incremented nr_voluntary_switches.

Mmm, I see what you are saying.

[...]

Quoted 4 lines

Looking at __schedule() in kernel/sched/core.c, the switch is counted as part of nr_involuntary_switches if the task has not been preempted and the task is TASK_RUNNING state. This does not seem to happen when sched_yield() is called.

Mmm,

- nr_voluntary_switches++ if !preempt && !RUNNING
- nr_involuntary_switches++ otherwise (yield fits this as the task is still RUNNING, even though throttled for DEADLINE)

Not sure this is the same as what you say above..

Quoted 7 lines
Quoted 2 lines

Is there something we are missing over here? OR Is this a known issue and is planned to be fixed later?

.. however, not sure. Peter, what you say. It looks like we might indeed want to account yield as a voluntary switch, seems to fit. In this case I guess we could use a flag or add a sched_ bit to task_struct to handle the case?

It's been like this _forever_ afaict. This isn't deadline specific afaict, all yield callers will end up in non-voluntary switches.

I don't know anybody that cares and I don't think this is something worth fixing. If someone did rely on this behaviour we'd break them, and i'd much rather save a cycle than add more stupid stats crap to the scheduler.

#3 lore raw
Quoted 48 lines · Peter Zijlstra
Quoted 40 lines · Juri Lelli

Hi,

Quoted 11 lines · Vedang

Hi all,

We have been playing around with SCHED_DEADLINE and found some discrepancy around the calculation of nr_involuntary_switches and nr_voluntary_switches in /proc/${PID}/sched.

Whenever the task is done with it's work earlier and executes sched_yield() to voluntarily gives up the CPU this increments nr_involuntary_switches. It should have incremented nr_voluntary_switches.

Mmm, I see what you are saying.

[...]

Quoted 8 lines

Looking at __schedule() in kernel/sched/core.c, the switch is counted
as part of nr_involuntary_switches if the task has not been preempted
and the task is TASK_RUNNING state. This does not seem to happen when
sched_yield() is called.

Mmm,

 - nr_voluntary_switches++ if !preempt && !RUNNING
 - nr_involuntary_switches++ otherwise (yield fits this as the task is
   still RUNNING, even though throttled for DEADLINE)

Not sure this is the same as what you say above..

Quoted 4 lines

Is there something we are missing over here? OR Is this a known issue
and is planned to be fixed later?

Quoted 7 lines

.. however, not sure. Peter, what you say. It looks like we might indeed
want to account yield as a voluntary switch, seems to fit. In this case
I guess we could use a flag or add a sched_ bit to task_struct to handle
the case?

Quoted 8 lines

It's been like this _forever_ afaict. This isn't deadline specific afaict, all yield callers will end up in non-voluntary switches.

I don't know anybody that cares and I don't think this is something worth fixing. If someone did rely on this behaviour we'd break them, and
i'd much rather save a cycle than add more stupid stats crap to the scheduler.

Thanks Peter and Juri for the response.

We will try to use a different mechanism to account for this.

-Vedang

#4 lore raw
In reply to Peter Zijlstra

I’m fine with not fixing this behavior since Vedang has mentioned, we can use different mechanisms to achieve the same goal. However, I would like to go on the record as someone that cares about this functionality.
Assuming that sched_yield was counted as part of nr_voluntary
switches, then the specific scenario in which I would find this statistic useful is during debug of latency spikes on a realtime thread.
In particular, I could quickly correlate whether or not a latency
spike occurred due to being swapped out by the scheduler.

Quoted 48 lines · Peter Zijlstra
Quoted 40 lines · Juri Lelli

Hi,

Quoted 11 lines · Vedang

Hi all,

We have been playing around with SCHED_DEADLINE and found some discrepancy around the calculation of nr_involuntary_switches and nr_voluntary_switches in /proc/${PID}/sched.

Whenever the task is done with it's work earlier and executes sched_yield() to voluntarily gives up the CPU this increments nr_involuntary_switches. It should have incremented nr_voluntary_switches.

Mmm, I see what you are saying.

[...]

Quoted 8 lines

Looking at __schedule() in kernel/sched/core.c, the switch is counted
as part of nr_involuntary_switches if the task has not been preempted
and the task is TASK_RUNNING state. This does not seem to happen when
sched_yield() is called.

Mmm,

- nr_voluntary_switches++ if !preempt && !RUNNING
- nr_involuntary_switches++ otherwise (yield fits this as the task
is
still RUNNING, even though throttled for DEADLINE)

Not sure this is the same as what you say above..

Quoted 4 lines

Is there something we are missing over here? OR Is this a known issue
and is planned to be fixed later?

Quoted 7 lines

.. however, not sure. Peter, what you say. It looks like we might indeed
want to account yield as a voluntary switch, seems to fit. In this case
I guess we could use a flag or add a sched_ bit to task_struct to handle
the case?

Quoted 8 lines

It's been like this _forever_ afaict. This isn't deadline specific afaict, all yield callers will end up in non-voluntary switches.

I don't know anybody that cares and I don't think this is something worth fixing. If someone did rely on this behaviour we'd break them, and
i'd much rather save a cycle than add more stupid stats crap to the scheduler.

Thanks Peter and Juri for the response.

We will try to use a different mechanism to account for this.

-Vedang