Rename queue number to queue index
v12 cover Rename queue number to queue index
1. Currently, virtqueue is identified between driver and device interchangeably using either number or index terminology.
2. Between PCI and MMIO transport the queue size (depth) is defined as queue_size and QueueNum respectively.
To avoid confusion and to have consistency, unify them to use index.
3. Filed name vqn in the driver notification structure is ambiguous as it is supposed to hold either vq index or device supplied vq identifier.
4. Device is really supplying queue identifier in the queue_notify_data register, and this often get confused with very similar looking feature bit NOTIFICATION_DATA.
Solution:
a. Use virtqueue index description, and rename MMIO register as QueueSize. b. Replace virtqueue number with virtqueue index
c. RSS area of virtio net has inherited some logic, describe it using abstract rss_rq_id.
d. rename queue_notifify_data to queue_notify_id
e. rename vqn to vq_notify_id to reflect it can hold either vq index of device supplied some id.
Patch summary:
patch-1 introduce vq number as generic term
patch-2 renames index to number for pci transport patch-3 rename queue_notify_data to queue_notify_id patch-4 remove first vq index reference
patch-5 renames mmio register from Num to Size
patch-6 renames index to number for mmio transport patch-7 renames num field to size for ccw transport patch-8 renames vq by its index for ccw transport patch-9 for virtio-net removes duplicate example from requirements patch-10 for virtio-net updates rss description to use vq index
This series only improves the documentation, it does not change any transport or device functionality.
Please review.
This series fixes the issue [1].
[1] https://github.com/oasis-tcs/virtio-spec/issues/163
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changelog:v11->v12:
- replace number to index
- avoid confusion around vqn field and rename to vq_notify_id
- rename queue_notify_data to avoid confusing with NOTIFY_DATA v10->v11:
- added Reviewed-by for all the reviewed patches
- updated commit log of patch-8 to drop rq_handle reference
- skipped comment to further use rss_rq_id, as rss_rq_id usage and structure are self describingv9->v10:
- added virtqueue number part in content in braces
- replaced queue_select to vqn in ccw
- avoided aggrasive alignment of 65 chars
- updated commit log to drop reference to already merged patches
- added review-by tag for already reviewed patches v8->v9:
- addressed comments from David
- few corrections with article
- renaming 'virtqueue number' to 'vq number'
- improving text and wording for rss_rq_id, avail notification
- commit log of specific change in individual patches v7->v8:
- remove note about first virtqueue number
- skipped Max's comment to put word 'structure' in same line as its crosses 65 chars limit per line
- reworded queue_notification data set line, as '=' and vq number wording was oddv6->v7:
- remove text around first vq as it is already covered in the basic virtqueues facility sectionv5->v6:
- moved the vq number description from middle of vq operation to beginning of vq introductionv4->v5:
- fixed accidental removal of "unclassifed packets".
- simplfied text around indirection_table mask
- removed rss_rq_id references as indirection table and unclassified_queue data type is self explanatoryv3->v4:
- moved note to comment for ccw
- renamed rq_handle to rss_rq_id
- moved rss_rq_id next to rss_config structure
- define rss_config structure using rss_rq_idv2->v3:
- addressed comments from Michael
- added previous definitions for ccw fields
- moved rq_handle definition before using it
- added first patch to describe vq number
- updated pci for available buffer notification section v1->v2:
- added patches for virtio net for rss area
- added patches for covering ccw transport
- added missing entries to refer in mmio transport
Parav Pandit (10):
content: Add vq index text
content.tex Replace virtqueue number with index
content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
transport-pci: Avoid first vq index reference
transport-mmio: Rename QueueNum register
transport-mmio: Avoid referring to zero based index
transport-ccw: Rename queue depth/size to other transports
transport-ccw: Refer to the vq by its index
virtio-net: Avoid duplicate receive queue example
virtio-net: Describe RSS using rss rq id
content.tex | 27 ++++++++++++---- device-types/net/description.tex | 29 ++++++++++++----- notifications-be.c | 2 +- notifications-le.c | 2 +- transport-ccw.tex | 15 +++++---- transport-mmio.tex | 55 +++++++++++++++++++------------- transport-pci.tex | 26 ++++++++------- 7 files changed, 99 insertions(+), 57 deletions(-)
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PATCH v12 1/10 content: Add vq index text
Introduce vq index and its range so that subsequent patches can refer to it.
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changelog:v11->v12:
- renamed 'number' to 'index'v9->v10:
- added braces around vq number wording
- added vqn as another term for vq numberv8->v9:
- added inclusive when describing the vq number range
- skipped comment to put virtqueue number wording first because we prefer to use shorter vq number as much as possiblev5->v6:
- moved description close to introduction, it was in middle of queue data transfer descriptionv2->v3:
- new patch
--- content.tex | 4 ++++ 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
content.tex +4 -0
@@ -298,6 +298,10 @@ \section{Virtqueues}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues} virtqueues\footnote{For example, the simplest network device has one virtqueue for transmit and one for receive.}. +Each virtqueue is identified by a vq index (also referred +to as a virtqueue index); vq index range is from 0 to 65535 +inclusive. + Driver makes requests available to device by adding an available buffer to the queue, i.e., adding a buffer describing the request to a virtqueue, and optionally triggering
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[virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH v12 01/10] content: Add vq index text
Quoted 31 lines · Parav Pandit
Introduce vq index and its range so that subsequent patches can refer to it.
Reviewed-by Cornelia Huck <[email protected]>Signed-off-by Parav Pandit <[email protected]>---
changelog:v11->v12:
- renamed 'number' to 'index'v9->v10:
- added braces around vq number wording
- added vqn as another term for vq numberv8->v9:
- added inclusive when describing the vq number range
- skipped comment to put virtqueue number wording first because we prefer to use shorter vq number as much as possiblev5->v6:
- moved description close to introduction, it was in middle of queue data transfer descriptionv2->v3:
- new patch--- content.tex | 4 ++++ 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)content.tex +0
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content.tex \section{Virtqueues}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues} · line 304
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-0@@ -298,6 +298,10 @@ \section{Virtqueues}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues} virtqueues\footnote{For example, the simplest network device has one virtqueue for transmit and one for receive.}. +Each virtqueue is identified by a vq index (also referred +to as a virtqueue index); vq index range is from 0 to 65535 +inclusive. +
It's the other way around: start with full name, then abbreviation. Each virtqueue is identified by virtqueue
index (sometimes abbreviated to vq index). A virtqueue index range ...
are there more abbreviations we want to mention here? vq_idx?
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[virtio-comment] RE: [PATCH v12 01/10] content: Add vq index text
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Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 1:26 AMQuoted 33 lines · Parav Pandit
Introduce vq index and its range so that subsequent patches can refer to it.
Reviewed-by Cornelia Huck <[email protected]>Signed-off-by Parav Pandit <[email protected]>---
changelog:v11->v12:
- renamed 'number' to 'index'v9->v10:
- added braces around vq number wording
- added vqn as another term for vq numberv8->v9:
- added inclusive when describing the vq number range
- skipped comment to put virtqueue number wording first because we prefer to use shorter vq number as much as possiblev5->v6:
- moved description close to introduction, it was in middle of queue data transfer descriptionv2->v3:
- new patch--- content.tex | 4 ++++ 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)content.tex +0
-0@@ -298,6 +298,10 @@ \section{Virtqueues}\label{sec:Basic Facilitiesof a Virtio Device / Virtqueues} virtqueues\footnote{For example, the simplest network device has one virtqueue for transmit and one for receive.}.
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-0+Each virtqueue is identified by a vq index (also referred to as a +virtqueue index); vq index range is from 0 to 65535 inclusive. +It's the other way around: start with full name, then abbreviation. Each virtqueue is identified by virtqueue index (sometimes abbreviated to vq index). A virtqueue index range ...
Ok. developers end up using "virtqueue index" because of addition to "sometimes". But fine.. will change.
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are there more abbreviations we want to mention here?
vq_idx?
We don't have any user of vq_idx, so will drop for now.
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Driver makes requests available to device by adding an available
buffer to the queue, i.e., adding a buffer describing the request to a virtqueue, and optionally triggering
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[virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH v12 01/10] content: Add vq index text
In reply to Parav PanditQuoted 31 lines · Parav Pandit
Introduce vq index and its range so that subsequent patches can refer to it.
Reviewed-by Cornelia Huck <[email protected]>Signed-off-by Parav Pandit <[email protected]>---
changelog:v11->v12:
- renamed 'number' to 'index'v9->v10:
- added braces around vq number wording
- added vqn as another term for vq numberv8->v9:
- added inclusive when describing the vq number range
- skipped comment to put virtqueue number wording first because we prefer to use shorter vq number as much as possiblev5->v6:
- moved description close to introduction, it was in middle of queue data transfer descriptionv2->v3:
- new patch--- content.tex | 4 ++++ 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)content.tex +0
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content.tex \section{Virtqueues}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues} · line 304
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-0@@ -298,6 +298,10 @@ \section{Virtqueues}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues} virtqueues\footnote{For example, the simplest network device has one virtqueue for transmit and one for receive.}. +Each virtqueue is identified by a vq index (also referred +to as a virtqueue index); vq index range is from 0 to 65535 +inclusive. +
In fact can we just say "virtqueue index" everywhere? The less slang reader has to learn, the better.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 5:19 AMIn fact can we just say "virtqueue index" everywhere? The less slang reader has to learn, the better.
Wow, didn't know that "vq" is a slang. :)
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[virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] RE: [PATCH v12 01/10] content: Add vq index text
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From: Michael S. Tsirkin <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 5:19 AMIn fact can we just say "virtqueue index" everywhere? The less slang reader has to learn, the better.
Wow, didn't know that "vq" is a slang. :)
And so is "virtqueue". It is certainly not in my dictionary of standard english. One term to learn is enough I think.
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In fact can we just say "virtqueue index" everywhere? The less slang reader has to learn, the better.
Wow, didn't know that "vq" is a slang. :)
And so is "virtqueue". It is certainly not in my dictionary of standard english. One term to learn is enough I think.
Sound good to me.
With above reasoning please replace all "vq" with "virtqueue" in the commit log and the spec area in aq series v12.
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[virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] RE: [PATCH v12 01/10] content: Add vq index text
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Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 5:19 AMIn fact can we just say "virtqueue index" everywhere? The less slang reader has to learn, the better.
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Wow, didn't know that "vq" is a slang. :)
And so is "virtqueue". It is certainly not in my dictionary of standard english. One term to learn is enough I think.
Sound good to me.
With above reasoning please replace all "vq" with "virtqueue" in the commit log and the spec area in aq series v12.
commit log does not matter much, it's for us spec experts who know the jargon :) I did not think aq patches say vq anywhere but if yes I will change that, sure. Feel free to point it out. Abbreviation of register names is probably ok, I'll check whether other registers are abbreviated or not and make this match.
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PATCH v12 2/10 content.tex Replace virtqueue number with index
In reply to Parav PanditReplace virtqueue number with index to align to rest of the specification.
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changelog:v11->v12:
- new patch
--- content.tex | 8 ++++---- 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
content.tex +4 -4
@@ -406,7 +406,7 @@ \section{Driver Notifications} \label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / When VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA has not been negotiated, this notification involves sending the -virtqueue number to the device (method depending on the transport). +virtqueue index to the device (method depending on the transport). However, some devices benefit from the ability to find out the amount of available data in the queue without accessing the virtqueue in memory:
@@ -790,13 +790,13 @@ \chapter{Reserved Feature Bits}\label{sec:Reserved Feature Bits} buffer notifications. As mentioned in section \ref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Driver notifications}, when the driver is required to send an available buffer notification to the device, it - sends the virtqueue number to be notified. The method of delivering + sends the virtqueue index to be notified. The method of delivering notifications is transport specific. With the PCI transport, the device can optionally provide a per-virtqueue value - for the driver to use in driver notifications, instead of the virtqueue number. + for the driver to use in driver notifications, instead of the virtqueue index. Some devices may benefit from this flexibility by providing, for example, an internal virtqueue identifier, or an internal offset related to the - virtqueue number. + virtqueue index. This feature indicates the availability of such value. The definition of the data to be provided in driver notification and the delivery method is
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[virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH v12 02/10] content.tex Replace virtqueue number with index
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Replace virtqueue number with index to align to rest of the specification.
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PATCH v12 3/10 content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
In reply to Parav PanditCurrently queue_notify_data register indicates the device internal queue notification identifier. This register is meaningful only when feature bit VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA is negotiated.
However, above register name often get confusing association with very similar feature bit VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA.
When VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA feature bit is negotiated, notification really involves sending additional queue progress related information (not queue identifier).
Hence
1. to avoid any misunderstanding and association of queue_notify_data with similar name VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA,
and
2. to reflect that queue_notify_data is the actual device internal vq identifier, rename it to queue_notify_id.
Reflect vq identifier in the driver notification structure by renaming ambiguous vqn to vq_notify_id.
The driver notification section assumes that queue notification contains vq index always. CONFIG_DATA feature bit introduction missed to update the driver notification section. Hence, correct it.
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Some side notes:
renaming vqn to vqnd is even more confusing because data is really the queue identifier.
And NOTIFICATION_DATA really contains queue progress info (data).
(vqn - n is number or notification?, notification word in the notification structure does not make sense).
Hence above renaming.
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changelog:v11->v12:
- new patch
--- content.tex | 17 ++++++++++++++--- notifications-be.c | 2 +- notifications-le.c | 2 +- transport-pci.tex | 24 ++++++++++++++---------- 4 files changed, 30 insertions(+), 15 deletions(-)
content.tex +14 -3
@@ -405,8 +405,18 @@ \section{Driver Notifications} \label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / notification to the device. When VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA has not been negotiated, -this notification involves sending the -virtqueue index to the device (method depending on the transport). +this notification involves sending only the 16-bit virtqueue notification +identifier (notification method depends on the transport). + +\begin{itemize} +\item When VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA is not negotiated, virtqueue +notification identifier is a 16-bit vq index. + +\item When VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA is negotiated, virtqueue +notification identifier is a device supplied virtqueue identifier. A method +to supply such virtqueue notification identifier is transport +specific. +\end{itemize} However, some devices benefit from the ability to find out the amount of available data in the queue without accessing the virtqueue in memory:
@@ -417,7 +427,8 @@ \section{Driver Notifications} \label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / the following information: \begin{description} -\item [vqn] VQ number to be notified. +\item [vq_notify_id] VQ notification identifier of a + corresponding virtqueue. \item [next_off] Offset within the ring where the next available ring entry will be written.
notifications-be.c +1 -1
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ be32 { - vqn :16 ; + vq_notify_id :16 ;/* previously known as vqn */ next_off :15 ; next_wrap :1 ; };
notifications-le.c +1 -1
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ le32 { - vqn :16 ; + vq_notify_id :16 ;/* previously known as vqn */ next_off :15 ; next_wrap :1 ; };
transport-pci.tex +14 -10
@@ -319,7 +319,7 @@ \subsubsection{Common configuration structure layout}\label{sec:Virtio Transport le64 queue_desc; /* read-write */ le64 queue_driver; /* read-write */ le64 queue_device; /* read-write */ - le16 queue_notify_data; /* read-only for driver */ + le16 queue_notify_id; /* read-only for driver */ le16 queue_reset; /* read-write */ }; \end{lstlisting}
@@ -388,17 +388,21 @@ \subsubsection{Common configuration structure layout}\label{sec:Virtio Transport \item[\field{queue_device}] The driver writes the physical address of Device Area here. See section \ref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues}. -\item[\field{queue_notify_data}] +\item[\field{queue_notify_id}] This field exists only if VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA has been negotiated. - The driver will use this value to put it in the 'virtqueue number' field - in the available buffer notification structure. + The driver will use this value when driver sends available buffer + notification to the device. See section \ref{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over PCI Bus / PCI-specific Initialization And Device Operation / Available Buffer Notifications}. \begin{note} This field provides the device with flexibility to determine how virtqueues will be referred to in available buffer notifications. - In a trivial case the device can set \field{queue_notify_data}=vqn. Some devices - may benefit from providing another value, for example an internal virtqueue - identifier, or an internal offset related to the virtqueue number. + In a trivial case the device can set \field{queue_notify_id} to + vq index. Some devices may benefit from providing another value, + for example an internal virtqueue identifier, or an internal offset + related to the virtqueue index. + \end{note} + \begin{note} + This field is previously known as queue_notify_id. \end{note} \item[\field{queue_reset}]
@@ -468,7 +472,7 @@ \subsubsection{Common configuration structure layout}\label{sec:Virtio Transport \drivernormative{\paragraph}{Common configuration structure layout}{Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over PCI Bus / PCI Device Layout / Common configuration structure layout} -The driver MUST NOT write to \field{device_feature}, \field{num_queues}, \field{config_generation}, \field{queue_notify_off} or \field{queue_notify_data}. +The driver MUST NOT write to \field{device_feature}, \field{num_queues}, \field{config_generation}, \field{queue_notify_off} or \field{queue_notify_id}. If VIRTIO_F_RING_PACKED has been negotiated, the driver MUST NOT write the value 0 to \field{queue_size}.
@@ -1053,9 +1057,9 @@ \subsubsection{Available Buffer Notifications}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Option If VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA has been negotiated: \begin{itemize} \item If VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA has not been negotiated, the driver MUST use the -\field{queue_notify_data} value instead of the virtqueue index. +\field{queue_notify_id} value instead of the virtqueue index. \item If VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA has been negotiated, the driver MUST set the -\field{vqn} field to the \field{queue_notify_data} value. +\field{vq_notify_id} field to the \field{queue_notify_id} value. \end{itemize} \subsubsection{Used Buffer Notifications}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over PCI Bus / PCI-specific Initialization And Device Operation / Used Buffer Notifications}
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[virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
This is not much of an improvement.
Quoted 27 lines · Parav Pandit
Currently
queue_notify_dataregister indicates the device internal queue notification identifier. This register is meaningful only when feature bitVIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATAis negotiated.However, above register name often get confusing association with very similar feature bit
VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA.When
VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATAfeature bit is negotiated, notification really involves sending additional queue progress related information (not queue identifier).Hence
1. to avoid any misunderstanding and association ofqueue_notify_datawith similar nameVIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA,and
2. to reflect thatqueue_notify_datais the actual device internal vq identifier, rename it toqueue_notify_id.Reflect vq identifier in the driver notification structure by renaming ambiguous vqn to
vq_notify_id.The driver notification section assumes that queue notification contains vq index always.
CONFIG_DATAfeature bit introduction missed to update the driver notification section. Hence, correct it.
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Signed-off-by Parav Pandit <[email protected]>---
Some side notes:
renaming vqn to vqnd is even more confusing because data is really the queue identifier.
Clear to whom? Why do you think so? Marvell who pushed this feature said they stick some kind of constant value there which matches what their hardware expects. Sounds like a valid way to use this. So no, not an identifier, and in any case "vq identifier" is a really general and useful term, I would rather not burn it up on a baroque feature that almost no one sets - for almost everyone else this is simply vq index.
If you really insist on renaming this away from "vqn",
maybe vq_index_config_data will do, and we
can add a comment /* Either vq index or vq config data, previously named vqn */
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NOTIFICATION_DATAreally contains queue progress info (data).(vqn - n is number or notification?, notification word in the notification structure does not make sense).
Hence above renaming.
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[virtio-comment] RE: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
Quoted 36 lines
From: Michael S. Tsirkin <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 1:22 AMThis is not much of an improvement.
Quoted 28 lines · Parav Pandit
Currently
queue_notify_dataregister indicates the device internal queue notification identifier. This register is meaningful only when feature bitVIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATAis negotiated.However, above register name often get confusing association with very similar feature bit
VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA.When
VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATAfeature bit is negotiated, notification really involves sending additional queue progress related information (not queue identifier).Hence
1. to avoid any misunderstanding and association ofqueue_notify_datawith similar nameVIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA,and
2. to reflect thatqueue_notify_datais the actual device internal vq identifier, rename it toqueue_notify_id.Reflect vq identifier in the driver notification structure by renaming ambiguous vqn to
vq_notify_id.The driver notification section assumes that queue notification contains vq index always.
CONFIG_DATAfeature bit introduction missed to update the driver notification section. Hence, correct it.Signed-off-by Parav Pandit <[email protected]>
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Some side notes:
renaming vqn to vqnd is even more confusing because data is really the queue identifier.Clear to whom? Why do you think so? Marvell who pushed this feature said they stick some kind of constant value there which matches what their hardware expects. Sounds like a valid way to use this.
Spec currently has described it as "identifier". Snippet:
"for example an internal virtqueue identifier, or an internal offset related to the virtqueue number"
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So no, not an identifier, and in any case "vq identifier" is a really general and useful term, I would rather not burn it up on a baroque feature that almost no one sets - for almost everyone else this is simply vq index.
If you really insist on renaming this away from "vqn", maybe
vq_index_config_datawill do, and we can add a comment /* Either vq index or vq config data, previously named vqn */
Vq_index_config_data also aligns with the crazy feature bit name. So I will use that.
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[virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
Quoted 41 lines · Parav Pandit
Quoted 41 lines
From: Michael S. Tsirkin <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 1:22 AMThis is not much of an improvement.
Quoted 32 lines · Parav Pandit
Currently
queue_notify_dataregister indicates the device internal queue notification identifier. This register is meaningful only when feature bitVIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATAis negotiated.However, above register name often get confusing association with very similar feature bit
VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA.When
VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATAfeature bit is negotiated, notification really involves sending additional queue progress related information (not queue identifier).Hence
1. to avoid any misunderstanding and association ofqueue_notify_datawith similar nameVIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA,and
2. to reflect thatqueue_notify_datais the actual device internal vq identifier, rename it toqueue_notify_id.Reflect vq identifier in the driver notification structure by renaming ambiguous vqn to
vq_notify_id.The driver notification section assumes that queue notification contains vq index always.
CONFIG_DATAfeature bit introduction missed to update the driver notification section. Hence, correct it.Signed-off-by Parav Pandit <[email protected]>---
Some side notes:
renaming vqn to vqnd is even more confusing because data is really the queue identifier.
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Clear to whom? Why do you think so? Marvell who pushed this feature said they stick some kind of constant value there which matches what their hardware expects. Sounds like a valid way to use this.
Spec currently has described it as "identifier".
Nope, it gives an identifier as one example of a legal value.
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Snippet:
"for example an internal virtqueue identifier, or an internal offset related to the virtqueue number"Quoted 4 lines
So no, not an identifier, and in any case "vq identifier" is a really general and useful term, I would rather not burn it up on a baroque feature that almost no one sets - for almost everyone else this is simply vq index.
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If you really insist on renaming this away from "vqn", maybe
vq_index_config_datawill do, and we can add a comment /* Either vq index or vq config data, previously named vqn */
Vq_index_config_dataalso aligns with the crazy feature bit name. So I will use that.
:)
It's just standard thing you get if you overload fields. And this is data path we could not just add fields easily.
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[virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
In reply to Parav PanditQuoted 67 lines · Parav Pandit
Currently
queue_notify_dataregister indicates the device internal queue notification identifier. This register is meaningful only when feature bitVIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATAis negotiated.However, above register name often get confusing association with very similar feature bit
VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA.When
VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATAfeature bit is negotiated, notification really involves sending additional queue progress related information (not queue identifier).Hence
1. to avoid any misunderstanding and association ofqueue_notify_datawith similar nameVIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA,and
2. to reflect thatqueue_notify_datais the actual device internal vq identifier, rename it toqueue_notify_id.Reflect vq identifier in the driver notification structure by renaming ambiguous vqn to
vq_notify_id.The driver notification section assumes that queue notification contains vq index always.
CONFIG_DATAfeature bit introduction missed to update the driver notification section. Hence, correct it.Signed-off-by Parav Pandit <[email protected]>---
Some side notes:
renaming vqn to vqnd is even more confusing because data is really the queue identifier.And
NOTIFICATION_DATAreally contains queue progress info (data).(vqn - n is number or notification?, notification word in the notification structure does not make sense).
Hence above renaming.
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changelog:v11->v12:
- new patch--- content.tex | 17 ++++++++++++++--- notifications-be.c | 2 +- notifications-le.c | 2 +- transport-pci.tex | 24 ++++++++++++++---------- 4 files changed, 30 insertions(+), 15 deletions(-)content.tex +5
-2@@ -405,8 +405,18 @@ \section{Driver Notifications} \label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / notification to the device. When VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA has not been negotiated, -this notification involves sending the -virtqueue index to the device (method depending on the transport). +this notification involves sending only the 16-bit virtqueue notification +identifier (notification method depends on the transport). + +\begin{itemize} +\item When VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA is not negotiated, virtqueue
content.tex \section{Driver Notifications} \label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / · line 422
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content.tex +7
-0+notification identifier is a 16-bit vq index. + +\item When VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA is negotiated, virtqueue +notification identifier is a device supplied virtqueue identifier. A method +to supply such virtqueue notification identifier is transport +specific. +\end{itemize} However, some devices benefit from the ability to find out the amount of available data in the queue without accessing the virtqueue in memory:
VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA is such a narrow usecase, I don't like burning "vq identifier" on this. How about we just say something along the lines of:
When VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA has not been negotiated, this notification involves sending either the virtqueue index or the virtqueue config data to the device (method depending on the transport).
And then "the data sent is a device supplied virtqueue config data".
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content.tex +2
-1@@ -417,7 +427,8 @@ \section{Driver Notifications} \label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / the following information: \begin{description} -\item [vqn] VQ number to be notified. +\item [vq_notify_id] VQ notification identifier of a + corresponding virtqueue. \item [next_off] Offset within the ring where the next available ring entry will be written.notifications-be.c +1
-1@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ be32 { - vqn :16 ; + vq_notify_id :16 ;/* previously known as vqn */ next_off :15 ; next_wrap :1 ; };notifications-le.c +1
-1@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ le32 { - vqn :16 ; + vq_notify_id :16 ;/* previously known as vqn */ next_off :15 ; next_wrap :1 ; };transport-pci.tex +14
-10@@ -319,7 +319,7 @@ \subsubsection{Common configuration structure layout}\label{sec:Virtio Transport le64 queue_desc; /* read-write */ le64 queue_driver; /* read-write */ le64 queue_device; /* read-write */ - le16 queue_notify_data; /* read-only for driver */ + le16 queue_notify_id; /* read-only for driver */ le16 queue_reset; /* read-write */ }; \end{lstlisting}@@ -388,17 +388,21 @@ \subsubsection{Common configuration structure layout}\label{sec:Virtio Transport \item[\field{queue_device}] The driver writes the physical address of Device Area here. See section \ref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues}. -\item[\field{queue_notify_data}] +\item[\field{queue_notify_id}] This field exists only if VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA has been negotiated. - The driver will use this value to put it in the 'virtqueue number' field - in the available buffer notification structure. + The driver will use this value when driver sends available buffer + notification to the device. See section \ref{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over PCI Bus / PCI-specific Initialization And Device Operation / Available Buffer Notifications}. \begin{note} This field provides the device with flexibility to determine how virtqueues will be referred to in available buffer notifications. - In a trivial case the device can set \field{queue_notify_data}=vqn. Some devices - may benefit from providing another value, for example an internal virtqueue - identifier, or an internal offset related to the virtqueue number. + In a trivial case the device can set \field{queue_notify_id} to + vq index. Some devices may benefit from providing another value, + for example an internal virtqueue identifier, or an internal offset + related to the virtqueue index. + \end{note} + \begin{note} + This field is previously known as queue_notify_id. \end{note} \item[\field{queue_reset}]@@ -468,7 +472,7 @@ \subsubsection{Common configuration structure layout}\label{sec:Virtio Transport \drivernormative{\paragraph}{Common configuration structure layout}{Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over PCI Bus / PCI Device Layout / Common configuration structure layout} -The driver MUST NOT write to \field{device_feature}, \field{num_queues}, \field{config_generation}, \field{queue_notify_off} or \field{queue_notify_data}. +The driver MUST NOT write to \field{device_feature}, \field{num_queues}, \field{config_generation}, \field{queue_notify_off} or \field{queue_notify_id}. If VIRTIO_F_RING_PACKED has been negotiated, the driver MUST NOT write the value 0 to \field{queue_size}.@@ -1053,9 +1057,9 @@ \subsubsection{Available Buffer Notifications}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Option If VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA has been negotiated: \begin{itemize} \item If VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA has not been negotiated, the driver MUST use the -\field{queue_notify_data} value instead of the virtqueue index. +\field{queue_notify_id} value instead of the virtqueue index. \item If VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA has been negotiated, the driver MUST set the -\field{vqn} field to the \field{queue_notify_data} value. +\field{vq_notify_id} field to the \field{queue_notify_id} value. \end{itemize} \subsubsection{Used Buffer Notifications}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over PCI Bus / PCI-specific Initialization And Device Operation / Used Buffer Notifications}Signature · 1 line
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[virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
Quoted 33 lines · Michael S. Tsirkin
Quoted 15 lines · Parav Pandit
content.tex +5
-2@@ -405,8 +405,18 @@ \section{Driver Notifications} \label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / notification to the device. When VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA has not been negotiated, -this notification involves sending the -virtqueue index to the device (method depending on the transport). +this notification involves sending only the 16-bit virtqueue notification +identifier (notification method depends on the transport). + +\begin{itemize} +\item When VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA is not negotiated, virtqueuecontent.tex \section{Driver Notifications} \label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / · line 422
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-0+notification identifier is a 16-bit vq index. + +\item When VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA is negotiated, virtqueue +notification identifier is a device supplied virtqueue identifier. A method +to supply such virtqueue notification identifier is transport +specific. +\end{itemize} However, some devices benefit from the ability to find out the amount of available data in the queue without accessing the virtqueue in memory:
VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATAis such a narrow usecase, I don't like burning "vq identifier" on this. How about we just say something along the lines of:
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When
VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATAhas not been negotiated, this notification involves sending either the virtqueue index or the virtqueue config data to the device (method depending on the transport).And then "the data sent is a device supplied virtqueue config data".
Agreed, referring to "virtqueue configuration data" or somesuch is better than using up the "vq identifier" name for it.
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[virtio-comment] RE: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
In reply to Michael S. TsirkinQuoted 9 lines
From: Michael S. Tsirkin <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 1:30 AM
VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATAis such a narrow usecase, I don't like burning "vq identifier" on this. How about we just say something along the lines of:
Ok.
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When
VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATAhas not been negotiated, this notification involves sending either the virtqueue index or the virtqueue config data to the device (method depending on the transport).And then "the data sent is a device supplied virtqueue config data".
Sounds fine. I will reword it.
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[virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] RE: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
Quoted 5 lines · On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 13:21:40 +0000 Parav Pandit <[email protected]> wrote:
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VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATAis such a narrow usecase, I don't like burning "vq identifier" on this. How about we just say something along the lines of:Ok.
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When
VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATAhas not been negotiated, this notification involves sending either the virtqueue index or the virtqueue config data to the device (method depending on the transport).And then "the data sent is a device supplied virtqueue config data".
Sounds fine. I will reword it.
FYI in an other thread I proposed calling this a "cookie". Sorry for being late to the party. Yet again.
Regards,
Halil
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[virtio-comment] RE: [virtio-dev] RE: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
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From: Halil Pasic <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 11:28 AMQuoted 2 lines · On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 13:21:40 +0000 Parav Pandit <[email protected]> wrote:
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VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATAis such a narrow usecase, I don't like burning "vq identifier" on this. How about we just say something along thelines of:
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Ok.
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When
VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATAhas not been negotiated, this notification involves sending either the virtqueue index or the virtqueue config data to the device (method depending on the transport).
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And then "the data sent is a device supplied virtqueue config data".
Sounds fine. I will reword it.
FYI in an other thread I proposed calling this a "cookie". Sorry for being late to the party. Yet again.
If we spend (waste) more time, we will find many examples where "identifier" and "cookie" both are used in things associated with computer science.
That too when same set of people has accepted text " internal virtqueue identifier" for same feature of CONFIG_DATA even though somehow it was not "id"!
And when this spec refers to an RFC of UUID, session id (not "session cookie", even though session id is opaque and not meaningful to the recipient as per Wikipedia usage desc that you listed).
For sure "cookie" is better than "config_data" and I don't have objection to "cookie".
But I disagree to the claim that "identifier" is less good than "cookie".
It is pointless debate of "identifier" vs "cookie".
The union format is very useful to describe this crisply, I will use it.
Do you prefer to rename F_CONFIG_DATA To F_CONFIG_COOKIE?
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Re: [virtio-comment] RE: [virtio-dev] RE: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
Quoted 18 lines · Parav Pandit
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From: Halil Pasic <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 11:28 AMQuoted 2 lines · On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 13:21:40 +0000 Parav Pandit <[email protected]> wrote:
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VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATAis such a narrow usecase, I don't like burning "vq identifier" on this. How about we just say something along thelines of:
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Ok.
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When
VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATAhas not been negotiated, this notification involves sending either the virtqueue index or the virtqueue config data to the device (method depending on the transport).And then "the data sent is a device supplied virtqueue config data".
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Sounds fine. I will reword it.
FYI in an other thread I proposed calling this a "cookie". Sorry for being late to the party. Yet again.
If we spend (waste) more time, we will find many examples where "identifier" and "cookie" both are used in things associated with computer science.
That too when same set of people has accepted text " internal virtqueue identifier" for same feature of
CONFIG_DATAeven though somehow it was not "id"!
because that's just an example:
In a trivial case the device can set \field{queue_notify_data}=vqn. Some devices may benefit from providing another value, for example an internal virtqueue identifier, or an internal offset related to the virtqueue number.
so the cookie can either be an identifier or something else.
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And when this spec refers to an RFC of UUID, session id (not "session cookie", even though session id is opaque and not meaningful to the recipient as per Wikipedia usage desc that you listed).
For sure "cookie" is better than "
config_data" and I don't have objection to "cookie".But I disagree to the claim that "identifier" is less good than "cookie".
It is pointless debate of "identifier" vs "cookie".
The union format is very useful to describe this crisply, I will use it.
I guess I'm fine with "cookie" in that in CS it is by now widely understood to mean "some opaque data".
identifier comes from "identical", so implies a 1:1 mapping IMO.
The logic behind using a cookie is that it's a bit similar to host cookie from ccw.
However, with ccw host cookie is used unconditionally, as opposed to depending on the flag.
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Do you prefer to rename
F_CONFIG_DATAToF_CONFIG_COOKIE?
It should all be consistent, but I worry about ccw which uses cookies unconditionally. I am fine with leaving it as F_CONFIG_DATA for now unless we see a good way to avoid confusion for ccw.
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Re: [virtio-comment] RE: [virtio-dev] RE: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
Quoted 5 lines · Michael S. Tsirkin
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For sure "cookie" is better than "
config_data" and I don't have objection to "cookie".But I disagree to the claim that "identifier" is less good than "cookie".
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It is pointless debate of "identifier" vs "cookie".
The union format is very useful to describe this crisply, I will use it.
I guess I'm fine with "cookie" in that in CS it is by now widely understood to mean "some opaque data".
identifier comes from "identical", so implies a 1:1 mapping IMO.
Agreed, a "cookie" is not the same as an "identifier", although it may contain one.
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The logic behind using a cookie is that it's a bit similar to host cookie from ccw.
However, with ccw host cookie is used unconditionally, as opposed to depending on the flag.
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Do you prefer to rename
F_CONFIG_DATAToF_CONFIG_COOKIE?It should all be consistent, but I worry about ccw which uses cookies unconditionally. I am fine with leaving it as
F_CONFIG_DATAfor now unless we see a good way to avoid confusion for ccw.
Yes, please leave it as F_CONFIG_DATA, as we're just putting some "data" there in the end (and F_CONFIG_COOKIE might indeed be confusing for the ccw case.)
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RE: [virtio-comment] RE: [virtio-dev] RE: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
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From: Cornelia Huck <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 4:56 AMYes, please leave it as
F_CONFIG_DATA, as we're just putting some "data" there in the end (andF_CONFIG_COOKIEmight indeed be confusing for the ccw case.)
Since Halil didn't respond for 5+ days + Michel and you propose to continue use CONFIG_DATA and this is rare used field, I will rename
vqn to union of
vq_indexvq_config_data
Thanks. Will roll v13.
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Re: [virtio-comment] RE: [virtio-dev] RE: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
Quoted 10 lines · On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 13:35:09 +0000 Parav Pandit <[email protected]> wrote:
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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 4:56 AMYes, please leave it as
F_CONFIG_DATA, as we're just putting some "data" there in the end (andF_CONFIG_COOKIEmight indeed be confusing for the ccw case.)Since Halil didn't respond for 5+ days + Michel and you propose to continue use
CONFIG_DATAand this is rare used field, I will rename
Sorry, this one has fallen through the cracks. For the preceding ones: I do not have a strong opinion. I do share Michael's and Connie's assessment regarding a possible clash with CCW.
Let me just note that the feature ain't called, "F_CONFIG_DATA" (i.e. with full name VIRTIO_F_CONFIG_DATA) but rather "F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA" (i.e. with full name VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA).
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vqn to union of
vq_indexvq_config_data
In that sense vq_config_data is not good in my opinion, because it misses "notif" which is present in both "F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA" and "queue_notify_data".
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Thanks. Will roll v13.
I'm about tho have a look how this panned out in v13. I propose let us continue the discussion there.
Regards,
Halil
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Re: [virtio-comment] RE: [virtio-dev] RE: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
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Quoted 4 lines · On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 13:35:09 +0000 Parav Pandit <[email protected]> wrote:
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Yes, please leave it as
F_CONFIG_DATA, as we're just putting some "data" there in the end (andF_CONFIG_COOKIEmight indeed be confusing for the ccw case.)Since Halil didn't respond for 5+ days + Michel and you propose to continue use
CONFIG_DATAand this is rare used field, I will renameSorry, this one has fallen through the cracks.
Well this whole patchset is just a cleanup so it's not holding up other work at least. But I have to say it's difficult to make progress when someone comes back from outer space after more than a week of silence while others finished a discussion and reopens it with some new feedback.
I am not saying don't give feedback but I'm saying please help us all be more organized, feedback time really should be within a day or two, in rare cases up to a week.
And I'd like to remind everyone if you are going away you are supposed to report a leave of absence.
TC's that have meetings just take away voting rights from someone who does not attend two meetings in a row. We do it by ballot so this does not apply, but I think we should set some limits in group's bylaws, anyway. Ideas on formalizing this? If not we can just have informal guidelines. There's of course a flip side to this. Some patches seemingly go through two versions a day. Keeping up becomes a full time job. We'd need a guideline for that, too.
I also feel high latency is one of the reasons people are beginning to ask to split into subcommitees where they won't have to deal with this kind of thing. Let's try to keep the latency low, please.
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the preceding ones: I do not have a strong opinion. I do share Michael's and Connie's assessment regarding a possible clash with CCW.Let me just note that the feature ain't called, "
F_CONFIG_DATA" (i.e. with full nameVIRTIO_F_CONFIG_DATA) but rather "F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA" (i.e. with full nameVIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA).Quoted 4 lines
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vq_indexvq_config_dataIn that sense
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Thanks. Will roll v13.
I'm about tho have a look how this panned out in v13. I propose let us continue the discussion there.
Regards,
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[virtio-comment] Participation (was: Re: [virtio-comment] RE: [virtio-dev] RE: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names)
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I am not saying don't give feedback but I'm saying please help us all be more organized, feedback time really should be within a day or two, in rare cases up to a week.
Given that there are things like weekends, public holidays, etc. one day does not look reasonable; while it certainly makes sense to continue if no feedback is forthcoming for a few days, not accounting for the fact that this is not the exclusive job for most/any of us is just a fast track to either burnout or people dropping out of virtio standardization altogether.
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And I'd like to remind everyone if you are going away you are supposed to report a leave of absence.
Well... "Each request shall be made by sending an email to the TC mailing list at least 7 days before the Leave is to start." is probably not going to work for many cases. (Also, in any other community I'm participating in it is expected that you just might not be there or have time to work on it every week -- I've always seen that leave of absence thingy as something for a really long vacation or for something like parental leave, for which the max 45 days is really too short...) Not to mention that it applies to voting, not to participation on the lists.
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TC's that have meetings just take away voting rights from someone who does not attend two meetings in a row. We do it by ballot so this does not apply, but I think we should set some limits in group's bylaws, anyway. Ideas on formalizing this? If not we can just have informal guidelines. There's of course a flip side to this. Some patches seemingly go through two versions a day. Keeping up becomes a full time job. We'd need a guideline for that, too.
What do we actually expect from TC members? "Reply to emails" is not part of any formal requirement AFAICS (and not all TC members do participate on the lists on a regular basis anyway). The requirement is only to vote on the ballots, and there you're completely free to vote "abstain", so you can always squeeze in voting even if you're not able to participate otherwise. I think that's fine.
"If I don't get a reply after $NUMBER_OF_WORKING_DAYS, I'll assume I can proceed as I think fit" is a reasonable assumption to make, e.g. to request a vote. Not sure if/how to formalize that. Also, how is this supposed to work if the original author doesn't reply to comments? Should the proposal be considered abandoned?
I agree that patch reposting is happening much too fast in some cases. Not sure how to formalize that, either. Can we please just be more mindful of that? Reviewing time is not free. If I'm trying to do a timely review of something and constantly see new versions while I'm not finished yet, I do not feel like my feedback is actually valued.
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I also feel high latency is one of the reasons people are beginning to ask to split into subcommitees where they won't have to deal with this kind of thing. Let's try to keep the latency low, please.
I think there's multiple things to unpack here.
- The very common strain of limited reviewer time. This seems to be an issue nearly everywhere. Encouraging more review helps; but if review and ensuing discussing turns into a time sink, it just cannot be handled at a reasonable activity level anymore.
- Latency due to missing feedback. Can be solved by just requesting a vote if no feedback is forthcoming in a reasonable time frame.
- Latency due to missing reaction to feedback. This means the proposal just doesn't make any progress. The onus is on the submitter here.
- Conflicting approaches favoured by different people. This cannot be resolved in a formal way; either people need to be convinced that a certain approach will work, a middle ground found, or a way worked out that the different approaches can co-exist. In any case, this usually means long discussions which can be very frustrating, but unless we want to bulldoze over some people this is something we'll have to live with. [Personally, I think this is the worst contributor to frustration, and not something that can be solved by subcommittees.]
- [I'm also not happy with the tone of some emails I've been seeing. I won't point to them in order not to stir up things that have already calmed down again.]
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[virtio-comment] Re: Participation (was: Re: [virtio-comment] RE: [virtio-dev] RE: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names)
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I agree that patch reposting is happening much too fast in some cases. Not sure how to formalize that, either. Can we please just be more mindful of that? Reviewing time is not free. If I'm trying to do a timely review of something and constantly see new versions while I'm not finished yet, I do not feel like my feedback is actually valued.
Imagine a group of contributors working on spec 100% of time. What do you want them to do? they need to exchange patches, slowing them down because part time reviewers are overwhelmed would be a waste. A separate mailing list would be one solution. Some tag in the subject would be another. RFC? Though RFC is used for other things as well...
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[virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] RE: [virtio-dev] RE: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
In reply to Michael S. TsirkinQuoted 15 lines · On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 03:04:34 -0400 "Michael S. Tsirkin" <[email protected]> wrote:
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Quoted 10 lines · On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 13:35:09 +0000 Parav Pandit <[email protected]> wrote:
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From: Cornelia Huck <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 4:56 AMYes, please leave it as
F_CONFIG_DATA, as we're just putting some "data" there in the end (andF_CONFIG_COOKIEmight indeed be confusing for the ccw case.)Since Halil didn't respond for 5+ days + Michel and you propose to continue use
CONFIG_DATAand this is rare used field, I will rename
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Sorry, this one has fallen through the cracks.
Well this whole patchset is just a cleanup so it's not holding up other work at least. But I have to say it's difficult to make progress when someone comes back from outer space after more than a week of silence while others finished a discussion and reopens it with some new feedback.
Sorry, this was after 6 days. I didn't know that qualifies as 'outer space'. As pointed out below, I was monitoring the preceding discussion, and since the way things went was and is acceptable for me, I didn't want to muddy the waters any further.
The issue I ended up addressing got introduced in very last email, which pre-announced the next version.
My first intention was to explain myself, and apologize, after being called out.
But then, also looking by looking at v13 I realized that
there might have been a slip up because F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATA got shortened to F_CONFIG_DATA in the discussion, which is no big deal for the discussion itself, but may have leaked in the v13 proposal. Parav has sent out the announced next version after about 8 hours. And if it weren't for my hypothesis why we ended up with the proposed name vq_config_data, the right place to discuss further would have been v13.
In hindsight, I see, replying to the v12 thread wasn't a good move.
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I also feel high latency is one of the reasons people are beginning to ask to split into subcommitees where they won't have to deal with this kind of thing.
I tend to agree.
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Let's try to keep the latency low, please.
Believe me, it is not like I'm actively trying to introduce extra latency.
Regards,
Halil
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the preceding ones: I do not have a strong opinion. I do share Michael's and Connie's assessment regarding a possible clash with CCW.
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Re: [virtio-comment] RE: [PATCH v12 03/10] content: Rename confusing queue_notify_data and vqn names
In reply to Parav PanditQuoted 11 lines · Parav Pandit
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VIRTIO_F_NOTIF_CONFIG_DATAis such a narrow usecase, I don't like burning "vq identifier" on this. How about we just say something along the lines of:Ok.
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When
VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATAhas not been negotiated, this notification involves sending either the virtqueue index or the virtqueue config data to the device (method depending on the transport).And then "the data sent is a device supplied virtqueue config data".
Sounds fine. I will reword it.
FWIW I like this more than coming up with a cookie term, it is definitely a more conservative approach.
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PATCH v12 4/10 transport-pci: Avoid first vq index reference
In reply to Parav PanditDrop reference to first virtqueue as it is already covered now by the generic section in first patch.
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changelog:v11->v12:
- drop changes related to vq numberv9->v10:
- updated commit log to drop reference to old patch v8->v9:
- reword the sentence to avoid future tense, like rest of the other fields description
- reword the sentence to avoid multiple verbs use and put -> uses
- use shorter name 'vq number' instead of 'virtqueue number' v7->v8:
- remove note about first virtqueue number
- skipped Max's comment to put word 'structure' in same line as its crosses 65 chars limit per line
- reworded queue_notification data set line, as '=' and vq number wording was oddv2->v3:
- addressed comments from Michael
- changed vqn to virtqueue number in the Note
- refer to vqn field instead of virtqueue number
--- transport-pci.tex | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
transport-pci.tex +1 -1
@@ -1009,7 +1009,7 @@ \subsubsection{Device Initialization}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virti The driver typically does this as follows, for each virtqueue a device has: \begin{enumerate} -\item Write the virtqueue index (first queue is 0) to \field{queue_select}. +\item Write the virtqueue index to \field{queue_select}. \item Read the virtqueue size from \field{queue_size}. This controls how big the virtqueue is (see \ref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues}~\nameref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues}). If this field is 0, the virtqueue does not exist.
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PATCH v12 5/10 transport-mmio: Rename QueueNum register
In reply to Parav PanditThese are further named differently between pci and mmio transport. PCI transport indicates queue size as queue_size.
To bring consistency between pci and mmio transport, rename the QueueNumMax and QueueNum
registers to QueueSizeMax and QueueSize respectively.
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changelog:v8->v9:
- added field tag to indicate field name instead of English word v0->v1:
- replaced references of QueueNumMax to QueueSizeMax
- replaced references of QueueNum to QueueSize
- added note for renamed fields old name suggested by @Michael Tsirkin
--- transport-mmio.tex | 42 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------------- 1 file changed, 28 insertions(+), 14 deletions(-)
transport-mmio.tex +28 -14
@@ -110,24 +110,31 @@ \subsection{MMIO Device Register Layout}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Vi \hline \mmioreg{QueueSel}{Virtual queue index}{0x030}{W}{% Writing to this register selects the virtual queue that the - following operations on \field{QueueNumMax}, \field{QueueNum}, \field{QueueReady}, + following operations on \field{QueueSizeMax}, + \field{QueueSize}, \field{QueueReady}, \field{QueueDescLow}, \field{QueueDescHigh}, \field{QueueDriverlLow}, \field{QueueDriverHigh}, \field{QueueDeviceLow}, \field{QueueDeviceHigh} and \field{QueueReset} apply to. The index number of the first queue is zero (0x0). } \hline - \mmioreg{QueueNumMax}{Maximum virtual queue size}{0x034}{R}{% + \mmioreg{QueueSizeMax}{Maximum virtual queue size}{0x034}{R}{% Reading from the register returns the maximum size (number of elements) of the queue the device is ready to process or zero (0x0) if the queue is not available. This applies to the queue selected by writing to \field{QueueSel}. + \begin{note} + \field{QueueSizeMax} was previously known as \field{QueueNumMax}. + \end{note} } \hline - \mmioreg{QueueNum}{Virtual queue size}{0x038}{W}{% + \mmioreg{QueueSize}{Virtual queue size}{0x038}{W}{% Queue size is the number of elements in the queue. Writing to this register notifies the device what size of the queue the driver will use. This applies to the queue selected by writing to \field{QueueSel}. + \begin{note} + \field{QueueSize} was previously known as \field{QueueNum}. + \end{note} } \hline \mmioreg{QueueReady}{Virtual queue ready bit}{0x044}{RW}{%
@@ -308,11 +315,11 @@ \subsection{MMIO Device Register Layout}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Vi Before writing to the \field{DriverFeatures} register, the driver MUST write a value to the \field{DriverFeaturesSel} register. -The driver MUST write a value to \field{QueueNum} which is less than -or equal to the value presented by the device in \field{QueueNumMax}. +The driver MUST write a value to \field{QueueSize} which is less than +or equal to the value presented by the device in \field{QueueSizeMax}. When \field{QueueReady} is not zero, the driver MUST NOT access -\field{QueueNum}, \field{QueueDescLow}, \field{QueueDescHigh}, +\field{QueueSize}, \field{QueueDescLow}, \field{QueueDescHigh}, \field{QueueDriverLow}, \field{QueueDriverHigh}, \field{QueueDeviceLow}, \field{QueueDeviceHigh}. To stop using the queue the driver MUST write zero (0x0) to this
@@ -363,14 +370,14 @@ \subsubsection{Virtqueue Configuration}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Vir and expect a returned value of zero (0x0). \item Read maximum queue size (number of elements) from - \field{QueueNumMax}. If the returned value is zero (0x0) the + \field{QueueSizeMax}. If the returned value is zero (0x0) the queue is not available. \item Allocate and zero the queue memory, making sure the memory is physically contiguous. \item Notify the device about the queue size by writing the size to - \field{QueueNum}. + \field{QueueSize}. \item Write physical addresses of the queue's Descriptor Area, Driver Area and Device Area to (respectively) the
@@ -465,25 +472,32 @@ \subsection{Legacy interface}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over M \hline \mmioreg{QueueSel}{Virtual queue index}{0x030}{W}{% Writing to this register selects the virtual queue that the - following operations on the \field{QueueNumMax}, \field{QueueNum}, \field{QueueAlign} + following operations on the \field{QueueSizeMax}, + \field{QueueSize}, \field{QueueAlign} and \field{QueuePFN} registers apply to. The index number of the first queue is zero (0x0). . } \hline - \mmioreg{QueueNumMax}{Maximum virtual queue size}{0x034}{R}{% + \mmioreg{QueueSizeMax}{Maximum virtual queue size}{0x034}{R}{% Reading from the register returns the maximum size of the queue the device is ready to process or zero (0x0) if the queue is not available. This applies to the queue selected by writing to \field{QueueSel} and is allowed only when \field{QueuePFN} is set to zero (0x0), so when the queue is not actively used. + \begin{note} + \field{QueueSizeMax} was previously known as \field{QueueNumMax}. + \end{note} } \hline - \mmioreg{QueueNum}{Virtual queue size}{0x038}{W}{% + \mmioreg{QueueSize}{Virtual queue size}{0x038}{W}{% Queue size is the number of elements in the queue. Writing to this register notifies the device what size of the queue the driver will use. This applies to the queue selected by writing to \field{QueueSel}. + \begin{note} + \field{QueueSize} was previously known as \field{QueueNum}. + \end{note} } \hline \mmioreg{QueueAlign}{Used Ring alignment in the virtual queue}{0x03c}{W}{%
@@ -543,16 +557,16 @@ \subsection{Legacy interface}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over M expecting a returned value of zero (0x0). \item Read maximum queue size (number of elements) from - \field{QueueNumMax}. If the returned value is zero (0x0) the + \field{QueueSizeMax}. If the returned value is zero (0x0) the queue is not available. \item Allocate and zero the queue pages in contiguous virtual memory, aligning the Used Ring to an optimal boundary (usually page size). The driver should choose a queue size smaller than or - equal to \field{QueueNumMax}. + equal to \field{QueueSizeMax}. \item Notify the device about the queue size by writing the size to - \field{QueueNum}. + \field{QueueSize}. \item Notify the device about the used alignment by writing its value in bytes to \field{QueueAlign}.
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PATCH v12 6/10 transport-mmio: Avoid referring to zero based index
In reply to Parav PanditVQ range is already described in the first patch in basic virtqueue section. Hence remove the duplicate reference to it.
---
changelog:v11->v12:
- remove changes related to 'vq number'v8->v9:
- added 'by' at two places
- replaced 'queue number' with 'vq number'
v6->v7:
- remove text around first vq as it is already covered in the basic virtqueues facility section
--- transport-mmio.tex | 13 ++++--------- 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
transport-mmio.tex +4 -9
@@ -113,8 +113,7 @@ \subsection{MMIO Device Register Layout}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Vi following operations on \field{QueueSizeMax}, \field{QueueSize}, \field{QueueReady}, \field{QueueDescLow}, \field{QueueDescHigh}, \field{QueueDriverlLow}, \field{QueueDriverHigh}, - \field{QueueDeviceLow}, \field{QueueDeviceHigh} and \field{QueueReset} apply to. The index - number of the first queue is zero (0x0). + \field{QueueDeviceLow}, \field{QueueDeviceHigh} and \field{QueueReset} apply to. } \hline \mmioreg{QueueSizeMax}{Maximum virtual queue size}{0x034}{R}{%
@@ -363,8 +362,7 @@ \subsubsection{Virtqueue Configuration}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Vir The driver will typically initialize the virtual queue in the following way: \begin{enumerate} -\item Select the queue writing its index (first queue is 0) to - \field{QueueSel}. +\item Select the queue by writing its index to \field{QueueSel}. \item Check if the queue is not already in use: read \field{QueueReady}, and expect a returned value of zero (0x0).
@@ -474,9 +472,7 @@ \subsection{Legacy interface}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over M Writing to this register selects the virtual queue that the following operations on the \field{QueueSizeMax}, \field{QueueSize}, \field{QueueAlign} - and \field{QueuePFN} registers apply to. The index - number of the first queue is zero (0x0). -. + and \field{QueuePFN} registers apply to. } \hline \mmioreg{QueueSizeMax}{Maximum virtual queue size}{0x034}{R}{%
@@ -550,8 +546,7 @@ \subsection{Legacy interface}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over M The virtual queue is configured as follows: \begin{enumerate} -\item Select the queue writing its index (first queue is 0) to - \field{QueueSel}. +\item Select the queue by writing its number to \field{QueueSel}. \item Check if the queue is not already in use: read \field{QueuePFN}, expecting a returned value of zero (0x0).
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PATCH v12 7/10 transport-ccw: Rename queue depth/size to other transports
In reply to Parav Panditmax_num field reflects the maximum queue size/depth. Hence align name of this field with similar field in PCI and MMIO transport to max_queue_size.
Similarly rename 'num' to 'size'.
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changelog:
v9>v10:
- used lower case letter for comment first wordv8->v9:
- replaced 'named' as 'known'v3->v4:
- moved note to comment
--- transport-ccw.tex | 13 +++++++------ 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
transport-ccw.tex +7 -6
@@ -237,12 +237,12 @@ \subsubsection{Configuring a Virtqueue}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Vir \begin{lstlisting} struct vq_config_block { be16 index; - be16 max_num; + be16 max_queue_size; /* previously known as max_num */ }; \end{lstlisting} The requested number of buffers for queue \field{index} is returned in -\field{max_num}. +\field{max_queue_size}. Afterwards, CCW_CMD_SET_VQ is issued by the driver to inform the device about the location used for its queue. The transmitted
@@ -253,7 +253,7 @@ \subsubsection{Configuring a Virtqueue}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Vir be64 desc; be32 res0; be16 index; - be16 num; + be16 size; /* previously known as num */ be64 driver; be64 device; };
@@ -262,7 +262,7 @@ \subsubsection{Configuring a Virtqueue}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Vir \field{desc}, \field{driver} and \field{device} contain the guest addresses for the descriptor area, available area and used area for queue \field{index}, respectively. The actual -virtqueue size (number of allocated buffers) is transmitted in \field{num}. +virtqueue size (number of allocated buffers) is transmitted in \field{size}. \devicenormative{\paragraph}{Configuring a Virtqueue}{Virtio Transport Options / Virtio over channel I/O / Device Initialization / Configuring a Virtqueue}
@@ -278,11 +278,12 @@ \subsubsection{Configuring a Virtqueue}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Vir be64 queue; be32 align; be16 index; - be16 num; + be16 size; /* previously known as num */ }; \end{lstlisting} -\field{queue} contains the guest address for queue \field{index}, \field{num} the number of buffers +\field{queue} contains the guest address for queue \field{index}, +\field{size} the number of buffers and \field{align} the alignment. The queue layout follows \ref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues / Legacy Interfaces: A Note on Virtqueue Layout}~\nameref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues / Legacy Interfaces: A Note on Virtqueue Layout}. \subsubsection{Communicating Status Information}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio over channel I/O / Device Initialization / Communicating Status Information}
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PATCH v12 8/10 transport-ccw: Refer to the vq by its index
In reply to Parav PanditCurrently specification uses virtqueue index and
number interchangeably to refer to the virtqueue.
Instead refer to it by its index.
---
changelog:v11->v12:
- removed changes related to index
- replace number with index
- added 'only' to make it more clear that notification has only vq indexv9->v10:
- replaced queue_select with vqn
- used lower case letter for first word in comment v8->v9:
- replaced 'named' with 'known'
- replaced 'queue number' with 'vq number'v3->v4:
- moved note to commentv2->v3:
- added comment note for queue_select similar to max_queue_size v0->v1:
- new patch
--- transport-ccw.tex | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
transport-ccw.tex +1 -1
@@ -545,7 +545,7 @@ \subsubsection{Guest->Host Notification}\label{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Vi \end{tabular} When VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA has not been negotiated, -the \field{Notification data} contains the Virtqueue number. +the \field{Notification data} contains the virtqueue index. When VIRTIO_F_NOTIFICATION_DATA has been negotiated, the value has the following format:
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PATCH v12 9/10 virtio-net: Avoid duplicate receive queue example
In reply to Parav PanditReceive queue number/index example is duplicate which is already defined in the Setting RSS parameters section.
Hence, avoid such duplicate example and prepare it for the subsequent patch to describe using receive queue handle.
--- device-types/net/description.tex | 4 ++-- 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
device-types/net/description.tex +2 -2
@@ -1467,8 +1467,8 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi The device MUST determine the destination queue for a network packet as follows: \begin{itemize} \item Calculate the hash of the packet as defined in \ref{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Processing of Incoming Packets / Hash calculation for incoming packets}. -\item If the device did not calculate the hash for the specific packet, the device directs the packet to the receiveq specified by \field{unclassified_queue} of virtio_net_rss_config structure (value of 0 corresponds to receiveq1). -\item Apply \field{indirection_table_mask} to the calculated hash and use the result as the index in the indirection table to get 0-based number of destination receiveq (value of 0 corresponds to receiveq1). +\item If the device did not calculate the hash for the specific packet, the device directs the packet to the receiveq specified by \field{unclassified_queue} of virtio_net_rss_config structure. +\item Apply \field{indirection_table_mask} to the calculated hash and use the result as the index in the indirection table to get 0-based number of destination receiveq. \item If the destination receive queue is being reset (See \ref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues / Virtqueue Reset}), the device MUST drop the packet. \end{itemize}
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PATCH v12 10/10 virtio-net: Describe RSS using rss rq id
In reply to Parav PanditThe content of the indirection table and unclassified_queue were originally described based on mathematical operations. In order to make it easier to understand and to avoid intermixing the array index with the vq index, introduce a structure rss_rq_id (RSS receive queue
ID) and use it to describe the unclassified_queue and indirection_table fields.
As part of it, have the example that uses non-zero virtqueue index which helps to have better mapping between receiveX object with virtqueue index and the actual value in the indirection table.
---
changelog:v11->v12:
- use 'virtqueue index' instead of 'virtqueue number' v10->v11:
- commit log updated to drop old reference to rq_handle, replaced with rss_rq_id detailv8->v9:
- reword rss_rq_id and unclassified_packets description
- use article
- use 'vq number' instead of 'virtqueue number'v4->v5:
- change subject to reflect rss_rq_id
- fixed accidental removal of "unclassifed packets".
- simplfied text around indirection_table mask to use the term destination receive virtqueue. This aligns with next line about queue reset.
- removed rss_rq_id references as indirection table and unclassified_queue data type is self explanatoryv3->v4:
- renamed rq_handle to rss_rq_id
- moved rss_rq_id definition close to its usage in rss_config struct v2->v3:
- moved rq_handle definition before using it
- removed duplicate example as rq_handle is now described first v0->v1:
- new patch suggested by Michael Tsirkin
--- device-types/net/description.tex | 27 ++++++++++++++++++++------- 1 file changed, 20 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
device-types/net/description.tex +20 -7
@@ -1423,11 +1423,16 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi Driver sends a VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_MQ_RSS_CONFIG command using the following format for \field{command-specific-data}: \begin{lstlisting} +struct rss_rq_id { + le16 vqn_1_16: 15; /* Bits 1 to 16 of the vq index */ + le16 reserved: 1; /* Set to zero */ +}; + struct virtio_net_rss_config { le32 hash_types; le16 indirection_table_mask; - le16 unclassified_queue; - le16 indirection_table[indirection_table_length]; + struct rss_rq_id unclassified_queue; + struct rss_rq_id indirection_table[indirection_table_length]; le16 max_tx_vq; u8 hash_key_length; u8 hash_key_data[hash_key_length];
@@ -1442,10 +1447,15 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi \field{indirection_table} array. Number of entries in \field{indirection_table} is (\field{indirection_table_mask} + 1). -Field \field{unclassified_queue} contains the 0-based index of -the receive virtqueue to place unclassified packets in. Index 0 corresponds to receiveq1. +\field{rss_rq_id} is a receive virtqueue id. \field{vqn_1_16} +consists of bits 1 to 16 of a vq index. For example, a +\field{vqn_1_16} value of 3 corresponds to vq index 6, +which maps to receiveq4. + +Field \field{unclassified_queue} contains the receive virtqueue +in which to place unclassified packets. -Field \field{indirection_table} contains an array of 0-based indices of receive virtqueues. Index 0 corresponds to receiveq1. +Field \field{indirection_table} is an array of receive virtqueues. A driver sets \field{max_tx_vq} to inform a device how many transmit virtqueues it may use (transmitq1\ldots transmitq \field{max_tx_vq}).
@@ -1455,7 +1465,8 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi A driver MUST NOT send the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_MQ_RSS_CONFIG command if the feature VIRTIO_NET_F_RSS has not been negotiated. -A driver MUST fill the \field{indirection_table} array only with indices of enabled queues. Index 0 corresponds to receiveq1. +A driver MUST fill the \field{indirection_table} array only with +enabled receive virtqueues. The number of entries in \field{indirection_table} (\field{indirection_table_mask} + 1) MUST be a power of two.
@@ -1468,7 +1479,9 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi \begin{itemize} \item Calculate the hash of the packet as defined in \ref{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Processing of Incoming Packets / Hash calculation for incoming packets}. \item If the device did not calculate the hash for the specific packet, the device directs the packet to the receiveq specified by \field{unclassified_queue} of virtio_net_rss_config structure. -\item Apply \field{indirection_table_mask} to the calculated hash and use the result as the index in the indirection table to get 0-based number of destination receiveq. +\item Apply \field{indirection_table_mask} to the calculated hash +and use the result as the index in the indirection table to get +the destination receive virtqueue. \item If the destination receive queue is being reset (See \ref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues / Virtqueue Reset}), the device MUST drop the packet. \end{itemize}
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[virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH v12 10/10] virtio-net: Describe RSS using rss rq id
Quoted 52 lines · Parav Pandit
The content of the indirection table and
unclassified_queuewere originally described based on mathematical operations. In order to make it easier to understand and to avoid intermixing the array index with the vq index, introduce a structurerss_rq_id(RSS receive queue
ID) and use it to describe theunclassified_queueandindirection_tablefields.As part of it, have the example that uses non-zero virtqueue index which helps to have better mapping between receiveX object with virtqueue index and the actual value in the indirection table.
Signed-off-by Parav Pandit <[email protected]>---
changelog:v11->v12:
- use 'virtqueue index' instead of 'virtqueue number'v10->v11:
- commit log updated to drop old reference torq_handle, replaced withrss_rq_iddetailv8->v9:
- rewordrss_rq_idandunclassified_packetsdescription
- use article
- use 'vq number' instead of 'virtqueue number'v4->v5:
- change subject to reflectrss_rq_id
- fixed accidental removal of "unclassifed packets".
- simplfied text aroundindirection_tablemask to use the term destination receive virtqueue. This aligns with next line about queue reset.
- removedrss_rq_idreferences as indirection table andunclassified_queuedata type is self explanatoryv3->v4:
- renamedrq_handletorss_rq_id
- movedrss_rq_iddefinition close to its usage inrss_configstructv2->v3:
- movedrq_handledefinition before using it
- removed duplicate example asrq_handleis now described firstv0->v1:
- new patch suggested by Michael Tsirkin--- device-types/net/description.tex | 27 ++++++++++++++++++++------- 1 file changed, 20 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)device-types/net/description.tex +0
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device-types/net/description.tex \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi · line 1427
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device-types/net/description.tex +2
-0@@ -1423,11 +1423,16 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi Driver sends a VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_MQ_RSS_CONFIG command using the following format for \field{command-specific-data}: \begin{lstlisting} +struct rss_rq_id { + le16 vqn_1_16: 15; /* Bits 1 to 16 of the vq index */
Do you want to then call this vq_index_1_16 ? And in the comment I would just write virtqueue index.
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device-types/net/description.tex +18
-7+ le16 reserved: 1; /* Set to zero */ +}; + struct virtio_net_rss_config { le32 hash_types; le16 indirection_table_mask; - le16 unclassified_queue; - le16 indirection_table[indirection_table_length]; + struct rss_rq_id unclassified_queue; + struct rss_rq_id indirection_table[indirection_table_length]; le16 max_tx_vq; u8 hash_key_length; u8 hash_key_data[hash_key_length];@@ -1442,10 +1447,15 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi \field{indirection_table} array. Number of entries in \field{indirection_table} is (\field{indirection_table_mask} + 1). -Field \field{unclassified_queue} contains the 0-based index of -the receive virtqueue to place unclassified packets in. Index 0 corresponds to receiveq1. +\field{rss_rq_id} is a receive virtqueue id. \field{vqn_1_16} +consists of bits 1 to 16 of a vq index. For example, a +\field{vqn_1_16} value of 3 corresponds to vq index 6, +which maps to receiveq4. + +Field \field{unclassified_queue} contains the receive virtqueue +in which to place unclassified packets. -Field \field{indirection_table} contains an array of 0-based indices of receive virtqueues. Index 0 corresponds to receiveq1. +Field \field{indirection_table} is an array of receive virtqueues. A driver sets \field{max_tx_vq} to inform a device how many transmit virtqueues it may use (transmitq1\ldots transmitq \field{max_tx_vq}).@@ -1455,7 +1465,8 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi A driver MUST NOT send the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_MQ_RSS_CONFIG command if the feature VIRTIO_NET_F_RSS has not been negotiated. -A driver MUST fill the \field{indirection_table} array only with indices of enabled queues. Index 0 corresponds to receiveq1. +A driver MUST fill the \field{indirection_table} array only with +enabled receive virtqueues. The number of entries in \field{indirection_table} (\field{indirection_table_mask} + 1) MUST be a power of two.@@ -1468,7 +1479,9 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi \begin{itemize} \item Calculate the hash of the packet as defined in \ref{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Processing of Incoming Packets / Hash calculation for incoming packets}. \item If the device did not calculate the hash for the specific packet, the device directs the packet to the receiveq specified by \field{unclassified_queue} of virtio_net_rss_config structure. -\item Apply \field{indirection_table_mask} to the calculated hash and use the result as the index in the indirection table to get 0-based number of destination receiveq. +\item Apply \field{indirection_table_mask} to the calculated hash +and use the result as the index in the indirection table to get +the destination receive virtqueue. \item If the destination receive queue is being reset (See \ref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues / Virtqueue Reset}), the device MUST drop the packet. \end{itemize}Signature · 1 line
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[virtio-comment] RE: [PATCH v12 10/10] virtio-net: Describe RSS using rss rq id
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From: Michael S. Tsirkin <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 5:18 AMfollowing format for \field{command-specific-data}:
device-types/net/description.tex \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi · line 1427
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\begin{lstlisting}
device-types/net/description.tex +2
-0+struct rss_rq_id { + le16 vqn_1_16: 15; /* Bits 1 to 16 of the vq index */Do you want to then call this
vq_index_1_16?
Yes. will change.
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And in the comment I would just write virtqueue index.
Why do you prefer longer to name here instead of abbreviation?
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Re: [virtio-comment] RE: [PATCH v12 10/10] virtio-net: Describe RSS using rss rq id
Quoted 10 lines · Parav Pandit
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From: Michael S. Tsirkin <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 5:18 AMfollowing format for \field{command-specific-data}:
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\begin{lstlisting}
device-types/net/description.tex +2
-0+struct rss_rq_id { + le16 vqn_1_16: 15; /* Bits 1 to 16 of the vq index */
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Do you want to then call this
vq_index_1_16?Yes. will change.
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And in the comment I would just write virtqueue index.
Why do you prefer longer to name here instead of abbreviation?
Eschew abbreviation is standard advice for writers. Full names reduce the cognitive load - reader has less terms to remember to be able to understand the spec.
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1. Currently, virtqueue is identified between driver and device interchangeably using either number or index terminology.
2. Between PCI and MMIO transport the queue size (depth) is defined as
queue_sizeand QueueNum respectively.To avoid confusion and to have consistency, unify them to use index.
3. Filed name vqn in the driver notification structure is ambiguous as it is supposed to hold either vq index or device supplied vq identifier.
4. Device is really supplying queue identifier in the
queue_notify_dataregister, and this often get confused with very similar looking feature bitNOTIFICATION_DATA.Solution:
a. Use virtqueue index description, and rename MMIO register as QueueSize. b. Replace virtqueue number with virtqueue index
c. RSS area of virtio net has inherited some logic, describe it using abstractrss_rq_id.
d. renamequeue_notifify_datatoqueue_notify_id
e. rename vqn tovq_notify_idto reflect it can hold either vq index of device supplied some id.Patch summary:
patch-1 introduce vq number as generic term
patch-2 renames index to number for pci transport patch-3 renamequeue_notify_datatoqueue_notify_idpatch-4 remove first vq index reference
patch-5 renames mmio register from Num to Size
patch-6 renames index to number for mmio transport patch-7 renames num field to size for ccw transport patch-8 renames vq by its index for ccw transport patch-9 for virtio-net removes duplicate example from requirements patch-10 for virtio-net updates rss description to use vq index
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This series only improves the documentation, it does not change any transport or device functionality.
Please review.
This series fixes the issue [1].
I like where this is going. I will change AQ patches to be like this, but it's holidays here in israel so not reposting immediately, pls review assuming I will address that change.
For same reason pls don't expect quick review.
The patchset itself is just a cleanup so even though it's up to crazy revision numbers already it's ok if it takes a bit more time to merge.
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---
changelog:v11->v12:
- replace number to index
- avoid confusion around vqn field and rename tovq_notify_id
- renamequeue_notify_datato avoid confusing withNOTIFY_DATAv10->v11:
- added Reviewed-by for all the reviewed patches
- updated commit log of patch-8 to droprq_handlereference
- skipped comment to further userss_rq_id, asrss_rq_idusage and structure are self describingv9->v10:
- added virtqueue number part in content in braces
- replacedqueue_selectto vqn in ccw
- avoided aggrasive alignment of 65 chars
- updated commit log to drop reference to already merged patches
- added review-by tag for already reviewed patchesv8->v9:
- addressed comments from David
- few corrections with article
- renaming 'virtqueue number' to 'vq number'
- improving text and wording forrss_rq_id, avail notification
- commit log of specific change in individual patchesv7->v8:
- remove note about first virtqueue number
- skipped Max's comment to put word 'structure' in same line as its crosses 65 chars limit per line
- rewordedqueue_notificationdata set line, as '=' and vq number wording was oddv6->v7:
- remove text around first vq as it is already covered in the basic virtqueues facility sectionv5->v6:
- moved the vq number description from middle of vq operation to beginning of vq introductionv4->v5:
- fixed accidental removal of "unclassifed packets".
- simplfied text aroundindirection_tablemask
- removedrss_rq_idreferences as indirection table andunclassified_queuedata type is self explanatoryv3->v4:
- moved note to comment for ccw
- renamedrq_handletorss_rq_id
- movedrss_rq_idnext torss_configstructure
- definerss_configstructure usingrss_rq_idv2->v3:
- addressed comments from Michael
- added previous definitions for ccw fields
- movedrq_handledefinition before using it
- added first patch to describe vq number
- updated pci for available buffer notification sectionv1->v2:
- added patches for virtio net for rss area
- added patches for covering ccw transport
- added missing entries to refer in mmio transportParav Pandit (10):
content: Add vq index text
content.tex Replace virtqueue number with index
content: Rename confusingqueue_notify_dataand vqn names
transport-pci: Avoid first vq index reference
transport-mmio: Rename QueueNum register
transport-mmio: Avoid referring to zero based index
transport-ccw: Rename queue depth/size to other transports
transport-ccw: Refer to the vq by its index
virtio-net: Avoid duplicate receive queue example
virtio-net: Describe RSS using rss rq id
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content.tex | 27 ++++++++++++---- device-types/net/description.tex | 29 ++++++++++++----- notifications-be.c | 2 +- notifications-le.c | 2 +- transport-ccw.tex | 15 +++++---- transport-mmio.tex | 55 +++++++++++++++++++------------- transport-pci.tex | 26 ++++++++------- 7 files changed, 99 insertions(+), 57 deletions(-)Signature · 1 line
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Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 1:33 AMI like where this is going. I will change AQ patches to be like this, but it's holidays here in israel so not reposting immediately, pls review assuming I will address that change.
Yes, will review AQ shortly.
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For same reason pls don't expect quick review.
o.k. we need to wrap up AQ, transitional device soon to be part of 1.3 spec as users needs to start using it soon. So once holidays are over, lets close the open items for both of them.
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Quoted 38 lines · Parav Pandit
1. Currently, virtqueue is identified between driver and device interchangeably using either number or index terminology.
2. Between PCI and MMIO transport the queue size (depth) is defined as
queue_sizeand QueueNum respectively.To avoid confusion and to have consistency, unify them to use index.
3. Filed name vqn in the driver notification structure is ambiguous as it is supposed to hold either vq index or device supplied vq identifier.
4. Device is really supplying queue identifier in the
queue_notify_dataregister, and this often get confused with very similar looking feature bitNOTIFICATION_DATA.Solution:
a. Use virtqueue index description, and rename MMIO register as QueueSize. b. Replace virtqueue number with virtqueue index
c. RSS area of virtio net has inherited some logic, describe it using abstractrss_rq_id.
d. renamequeue_notifify_datatoqueue_notify_id
e. rename vqn tovq_notify_idto reflect it can hold either vq index of device supplied some id.Patch summary:
patch-1 introduce vq number as generic term
patch-2 renames index to number for pci transport patch-3 renamequeue_notify_datatoqueue_notify_idpatch-4 remove first vq index reference
patch-5 renames mmio register from Num to Size
patch-6 renames index to number for mmio transport patch-7 renames num field to size for ccw transport patch-8 renames vq by its index for ccw transport patch-9 for virtio-net removes duplicate example from requirements patch-10 for virtio-net updates rss description to use vq index
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This series only improves the documentation, it does not change any transport or device functionality.
Please review.
This series fixes the issue [1].
I feel there are now two patchsets here:
1. renaming of queue num to queue size
2. virtqueue index and rss clarification depending on it
1 seems mostly ready, for 2 I don't yet know how long it will take. Split them up, also from POV of github issues?
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---
changelog:v11->v12:
- replace number to index
- avoid confusion around vqn field and rename tovq_notify_id
- renamequeue_notify_datato avoid confusing withNOTIFY_DATAv10->v11:
- added Reviewed-by for all the reviewed patches
- updated commit log of patch-8 to droprq_handlereference
- skipped comment to further userss_rq_id, asrss_rq_idusage and structure are self describingv9->v10:
- added virtqueue number part in content in braces
- replacedqueue_selectto vqn in ccw
- avoided aggrasive alignment of 65 chars
- updated commit log to drop reference to already merged patches
- added review-by tag for already reviewed patchesv8->v9:
- addressed comments from David
- few corrections with article
- renaming 'virtqueue number' to 'vq number'
- improving text and wording forrss_rq_id, avail notification
- commit log of specific change in individual patchesv7->v8:
- remove note about first virtqueue number
- skipped Max's comment to put word 'structure' in same line as its crosses 65 chars limit per line
- rewordedqueue_notificationdata set line, as '=' and vq number wording was oddv6->v7:
- remove text around first vq as it is already covered in the basic virtqueues facility sectionv5->v6:
- moved the vq number description from middle of vq operation to beginning of vq introductionv4->v5:
- fixed accidental removal of "unclassifed packets".
- simplfied text aroundindirection_tablemask
- removedrss_rq_idreferences as indirection table andunclassified_queuedata type is self explanatoryv3->v4:
- moved note to comment for ccw
- renamedrq_handletorss_rq_id
- movedrss_rq_idnext torss_configstructure
- definerss_configstructure usingrss_rq_idv2->v3:
- addressed comments from Michael
- added previous definitions for ccw fields
- movedrq_handledefinition before using it
- added first patch to describe vq number
- updated pci for available buffer notification sectionv1->v2:
- added patches for virtio net for rss area
- added patches for covering ccw transport
- added missing entries to refer in mmio transportParav Pandit (10):
content: Add vq index text
content.tex Replace virtqueue number with index
content: Rename confusingqueue_notify_dataand vqn names
transport-pci: Avoid first vq index reference
transport-mmio: Rename QueueNum register
transport-mmio: Avoid referring to zero based index
transport-ccw: Rename queue depth/size to other transports
transport-ccw: Refer to the vq by its index
virtio-net: Avoid duplicate receive queue example
virtio-net: Describe RSS using rss rq id
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content.tex | 27 ++++++++++++---- device-types/net/description.tex | 29 ++++++++++++----- notifications-be.c | 2 +- notifications-le.c | 2 +- transport-ccw.tex | 15 +++++---- transport-mmio.tex | 55 +++++++++++++++++++------------- transport-pci.tex | 26 ++++++++------- 7 files changed, 99 insertions(+), 57 deletions(-)Signature · 1 line
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From: Michael S. Tsirkin <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 5:21 AM
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I feel there are now two patchsets here:
1. renaming of queue num to queue size
2. virtqueue index and rss clarification depending on it1 seems mostly ready, for 2 I don't yet know how long it will take. Split them up, also from POV of github issues?
Num, index all related..
If v13 cannot converge, I will split.
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