perf/core: Add support to exclude kernel mode PMU tracing
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v2 cover perf/core: Add support to exclude kernel mode PMU tracing
Hardware assisted tracing families such as ARM Coresight, Intel PT provides rich tracing capabilities including instruction level tracing and accurate timestamps which are very useful for profiling and also pose a significant security risk. One such example of security risk is when kernel mode tracing is not excluded and these hardware assisted tracing can be used to analyze cryptographic code execution. In this case, even the root user must not be able to infer anything.
To explain it more clearly in the words of a security team member (credits: Mattias Nissler),
"Consider a system where disk contents are encrypted and the encryption key is set up by the user when mounting the file system. From that point on the encryption key resides in the kernel. It seems reasonable to expect that the disk encryption key be protected from exfiltration even if the system later suffers a root compromise (or even against insiders that have root access), at least as long as the attacker doesn't manage to compromise the kernel."
Here the idea is to protect such important information from all users including root users since root privileges does not have to mean full control over the kernel [1] and root compromise does not have to be the end of the world.
But "Peter said even the regular counters can be used for full branch trace, the information isn't as accurate as PT and friends and not easier but is good enough to infer plenty". This would mean that a global tunable config for all kernel mode pmu tracing is more appropriate than the one targeting the hardware assisted instruction tracing.
Currently we can exclude kernel mode tracing via perf_event_paranoid sysctl but it has following limitations,
* No option to restrict kernel mode instruction tracing by the root user.
* Not possible to restrict kernel mode instruction tracing when the hardware assisted tracing IPs like ARM Coresight ETMs use an additional interface via sysfs for tracing in addition to perf interface.
So introduce a new config CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACE to exclude kernel mode pmu tracing for all users including root which will be generic and applicable to all hardware tracing families and which can also be used with other interfaces like sysfs in case of ETMs.
Patch 1 adds this new config and the support in perf core to exclude all kernel mode PMU tracing.
Patch 2 adds the perf evsel warning message when the perf tool users attempt to perform a kernel mode trace with the config enabled to exclude the kernel mode tracing.
Patch 3 and Patch 4 adds the support for excluding kernel mode for ARM Coresight ETM{4,3}XX sysfs mode using the newly introduced generic config.
[1] https://lwn.net/Articles/796866/
Changes in v2:
* Move from kernel mode instruction tracing to all kernel level PMU tracing (Peter)
* Move the check and warning to the caller mode_store() (Doug)
Sai Prakash Ranjan (4):
perf/core: Add support to exclude kernel mode PMU tracing perf evsel: Print warning for excluding kernel mode instruction
tracing
coresight: etm4x: Add support to exclude kernel mode tracing
coresight: etm3x: Add support to exclude kernel mode tracing
drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm3x-core.c | 3 +++ drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm3x-sysfs.c | 6 ++++++ drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm4x-core.c | 6 +++++- drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm4x-sysfs.c | 6 ++++++ init/Kconfig | 11 +++++++++++ kernel/events/core.c | 3 +++ tools/perf/util/evsel.c | 3 ++- 7 files changed, 36 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
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PATCH v2 1/4 perf/core: Add support to exclude kernel mode PMU tracing
Hardware assisted tracing families such as ARM Coresight, Intel PT provides rich tracing capabilities including instruction level tracing and accurate timestamps which are very useful for profiling and also pose a significant security risk. One such example of security risk is when kernel mode tracing is not excluded and these hardware assisted tracing can be used to analyze cryptographic code execution. In this case, even the root user must not be able to infer anything.
To explain it more clearly in the words of a security team member (credits: Mattias Nissler),
"Consider a system where disk contents are encrypted and the encryption key is set up by the user when mounting the file system. From that point on the encryption key resides in the kernel. It seems reasonable to expect that the disk encryption key be protected from exfiltration even if the system later suffers a root compromise (or even against insiders that have root access), at least as long as the attacker doesn't manage to compromise the kernel."
Here the idea is to protect such important information from all users including root users since root privileges does not have to mean full control over the kernel [1] and root compromise does not have to be the end of the world.
But "Peter said even the regular counters can be used for full branch trace, the information isn't as accurate as PT and friends and not easier but is good enough to infer plenty". This would mean that a global tunable config for all kernel mode pmu tracing is more appropriate than the one targeting the hardware assisted instruction tracing.
Currently we can exclude kernel mode tracing via perf_event_paranoid sysctl but it has following limitations,
* No option to restrict kernel mode instruction tracing by the root user.
* Not possible to restrict kernel mode instruction tracing when the hardware assisted tracing IPs like ARM Coresight ETMs use an additional interface via sysfs for tracing in addition to perf interface.
So introduce a new config CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACE to exclude kernel mode pmu tracing which will be generic and applicable to all hardware tracing families and which can also be used with other interfaces like sysfs in case of ETMs.
[1] https://lwn.net/Articles/796866/
--- init/Kconfig | 11 +++++++++++ kernel/events/core.c | 3 +++ 2 files changed, 14 insertions(+)
init/Kconfig +11 -0
@@ -1848,6 +1848,17 @@ config DEBUG_PERF_USE_VMALLOC endmenu +config EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACE + bool "Exclude Kernel mode PMU tracing" + depends on PERF_EVENTS + help + Exclude Kernel mode PMU tracing for all users. + + This option allows to disable kernel mode tracing for all + users(including root) which is especially useful in production + systems where only userspace tracing might be preferred for + security reasons. + config VM_EVENT_COUNTERS default y bool "Enable VM event counters for /proc/vmstat" if EXPERT
kernel/events/core.c +3 -0
@@ -11770,6 +11770,9 @@ SYSCALL_DEFINE5(perf_event_open,if (err)return err; +if (IS_ENABLED (CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACE ) && !attr.exclude_kernel) +return -EACCES ; +if (!attr.exclude_kernel) { err =perf_allow_kernel (&attr);if (err)
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Hi,
Quoted 54 lines · Sai Prakash Ranjan
Hardware assisted tracing families such as ARM Coresight, Intel PT provides rich tracing capabilities including instruction level tracing and accurate timestamps which are very useful for profiling and also pose a significant security risk. One such example of security risk is when kernel mode tracing is not excluded and these hardware assisted tracing can be used to analyze cryptographic code execution. In this case, even the root user must not be able to infer anything.
To explain it more clearly in the words of a security team member (credits: Mattias Nissler),
"Consider a system where disk contents are encrypted and the encryption key is set up by the user when mounting the file system. From that point on the encryption key resides in the kernel. It seems reasonable to expect that the disk encryption key be protected from exfiltration even if the system later suffers a root compromise (or even against insiders that have root access), at least as long as the attacker doesn't manage to compromise the kernel."
Here the idea is to protect such important information from all users including root users since root privileges does not have to mean full control over the kernel [1] and root compromise does not have to be the end of the world.
But "Peter said even the regular counters can be used for full branch trace, the information isn't as accurate as PT and friends and not easier but is good enough to infer plenty". This would mean that a global tunable config for all kernel mode pmu tracing is more appropriate than the one targeting the hardware assisted instruction tracing.
Currently we can exclude kernel mode tracing via
perf_event_paranoidsysctl but it has following limitations,* No option to restrict kernel mode instruction tracing by the root user.
* Not possible to restrict kernel mode instruction tracing when the hardware assisted tracing IPs like ARM Coresight ETMs use an additional interface via sysfs for tracing in addition to perf interface.So introduce a new config
CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACEto exclude kernel mode pmu tracing which will be generic and applicable to all hardware tracing families and which can also be used with other interfaces like sysfs in case of ETMs.[1] https://lwn.net/Articles/796866/
Suggested-by Suzuki K Poulose <[email protected]>Suggested-by Al Grant <[email protected]>Tested-by Denis Nikitin <[email protected]>Signed-off-by Sai Prakash Ranjan <[email protected]>
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--- init/Kconfig | 11 +++++++++++ kernel/events/core.c | 3 +++ 2 files changed, 14 insertions(+)
I'm not really knowledgeable at all about the perf subsystem so my review doesn't hold a lot of weight. However, Sai's patch seems sane to me.
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PATCH v2 2/4 perf evsel: Print warning for excluding kernel mode instruction tracing
In reply to Sai Prakash RanjanAdd a warning message to check CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_HW_ITRACE kernel config which excludes kernel mode instruction tracing to help perf tool users identify the perf event open failure when they attempt kernel mode tracing with this config enabled.
--- tools/perf/util/evsel.c | 3 ++- 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
tools/perf/util/evsel.c +2 -1
@@ -2672,7 +2672,8 @@ int evsel__open_strerror(struct evsel *evsel, struct target *target,">= 1: Disallow CPU event access\n" ">= 2: Disallow kernel profiling\n" "To make the adjusted perf_event_paranoid setting permanent preserve it\n" -"in /etc/sysctl.conf (e.g. kernel.perf_event_paranoid = <setting>)" , +"in /etc/sysctl.conf (e.g. kernel.perf_event_paranoid = <setting>)\n\n" +"Also check CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACE if kernel mode tracing is allowed." , perf_event_paranoid());case ENOENT :return scnprintf (msg, size,"The %s event is not supported." ,evsel__name (evsel));
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Re: [PATCHv2 2/4] perf evsel: Print warning for excluding kernel mode instruction tracing
Hi,
Quoted 11 lines · Sai Prakash Ranjan
Add a warning message to check
CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_HW_ITRACEkernel config which excludes kernel mode instruction tracing to help perf tool users identify the perf event open failure when they attempt kernel mode tracing with this config enabled.Tested-by Denis Nikitin <[email protected]>Signed-off-by Sai Prakash Ranjan <[email protected]>--- tools/perf/util/evsel.c | 3 ++- 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
I'm not really knowledgeable at all about the perf subsystem so my review doesn't hold a lot of weight. However, Sai's patch seems sane to me.
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Re: [PATCHv2 2/4] perf evsel: Print warning for excluding kernel mode instruction tracing
Hi
Quoted 16 lines · Doug Anderson
Hi,
Quoted 11 lines · Sai Prakash Ranjan
Add a warning message to check
CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_HW_ITRACEkernel config which excludes kernel mode instruction tracing to help perf tool users identify the perf event open failure when they attempt kernel mode tracing with this config enabled.Tested-by Denis Nikitin <[email protected]>Signed-off-by Sai Prakash Ranjan <[email protected]>--- tools/perf/util/evsel.c | 3 ++- 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
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I'm not really knowledgeable at all about the perf subsystem so my review doesn't hold a lot of weight. However, Sai's patch seems sane to me.
Reviewed-by Douglas Anderson <[email protected]>
Thanks for the review, I carefully modified all the patch commit messages to change the config and wording from CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_HW_ITRACE to CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACE but missed this commit message. I will fix this up in v3, but will hold off posting v3 till I get some feedback on other patches.
Thanks,
Sai
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PATCH v2 3/4 coresight: etm4x: Add support to exclude kernel mode tracing
In reply to Sai Prakash RanjanOn production systems with ETMs enabled, it is preferred to exclude kernel mode(NS EL1) tracing for security concerns and support only userspace(NS EL0) tracing. Perf subsystem interface uses the newly introduced kernel config CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACE to exclude kernel mode tracing, but there is an additional interface via sysfs for ETMs which also needs to be handled to exclude kernel mode tracing. So we use this same generic kernel config to handle the sysfs mode of tracing. This config is disabled by default and would not affect the current configuration which has both kernel and userspace tracing enabled by default.
--- drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm4x-core.c | 6 +++++- drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm4x-sysfs.c | 6 ++++++ 2 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm4x-core.c +5 -1
@@ -1235,12 +1235,16 @@ static void etm4_set_default(struct etmv4_config *config)return ;/* -* Make default initialisation trace everything +* Make default initialisation trace everything when +* CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACE is disabled. * * This is done by a minimum default config sufficient to enable * full instruction trace - with a default filter for trace all * achieved by having no filtering. */ +if (IS_ENABLED (CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACE )) + config->mode |=ETM_MODE_EXCL_KERN ; +etm4_set_default_config (config);etm4_set_default_filter (config); }
drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm4x-sysfs.c +6 -0
@@ -296,6 +296,12 @@ static ssize_t mode_store(struct device *dev,if (kstrtoul (buf,16 , &val))return -EINVAL ; +if (IS_ENABLED (CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACE ) && (!(val &ETM_MODE_EXCL_KERN ))) { +dev_warn (dev, +"Kernel mode tracing is not allowed, check your kernel config\n" ); +return -EACCES ; + } +spin_lock (&drvdata->spinlock); config->mode = val & ETMv4_MODE_ALL;
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Re: [PATCHv2 3/4] coresight: etm4x: Add support to exclude kernel mode tracing
Hi,
Quoted 12 lines · Sai Prakash Ranjan
On production systems with ETMs enabled, it is preferred to exclude kernel mode(NS EL1) tracing for security concerns and support only userspace(NS EL0) tracing. Perf subsystem interface uses the newly introduced kernel config
CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACEto exclude kernel mode tracing, but there is an additional interface via sysfs for ETMs which also needs to be handled to exclude kernel mode tracing. So we use this same generic kernel config to handle the sysfs mode of tracing. This config is disabled by default and would not affect the current configuration which has both kernel and userspace tracing enabled by default.
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Tested-by Denis Nikitin <[email protected]>Signed-off-by Sai Prakash Ranjan <[email protected]>--- drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm4x-core.c | 6 +++++- drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm4x-sysfs.c | 6 ++++++ 2 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
Not that I'm an expert in the perf subsystem, but the concern I had with v1 is now addressed. FWIW this seems fine to me now.
drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm4x-sysfs.c static ssize_t mode_store(struct device *dev, · line 301
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drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm4x-sysfs.c +3
-0@@ -296,6 +296,12 @@ static ssize_t mode_store(struct device *dev,if (kstrtoul (buf,16 , &val))return -EINVAL ; +if (IS_ENABLED (CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACE ) && (!(val &ETM_MODE_EXCL_KERN ))) { +dev_warn (dev, +"Kernel mode tracing is not allowed, check your kernel config\n" );
slight nit that I think your string needs to be indented by 1 space. ;-)
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Re: [PATCHv2 3/4] coresight: etm4x: Add support to exclude kernel mode tracing
Quoted 23 lines · Doug Anderson
Hi,
Quoted 12 lines · Sai Prakash Ranjan
On production systems with ETMs enabled, it is preferred to exclude kernel mode(NS EL1) tracing for security concerns and support only userspace(NS EL0) tracing. Perf subsystem interface uses the newly introduced kernel config
CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACEto exclude kernel mode tracing, but there is an additional interface via sysfs for ETMs which also needs to be handled to exclude kernel mode tracing. So we use this same generic kernel config to handle the sysfs mode of tracing. This config is disabled by default and would not affect the current configuration which has both kernel and userspace tracing enabled by default.Quoted 6 lines
Tested-by Denis Nikitin <[email protected]>Signed-off-by Sai Prakash Ranjan <[email protected]>--- drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm4x-core.c | 6 +++++- drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm4x-sysfs.c | 6 ++++++ 2 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
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Not that I'm an expert in the perf subsystem, but the concern I had with v1 is now addressed. FWIW this seems fine to me now.
Reviewed-by Douglas Anderson <[email protected]>
Thanks Doug.
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drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm4x-sysfs.c +0
-0@@ -296,6 +296,12 @@ static ssize_t mode_store(struct device *dev,if (kstrtoul (buf,16 , &val))return -EINVAL ;
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drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm4x-sysfs.c static ssize_t mode_store(struct device *dev, · line 303
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drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm4x-sysfs.c +3
-0+ if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACE) && (!(val & ETM_MODE_EXCL_KERN))) { + dev_warn(dev, + "Kernel mode tracing is not allowed, check your kernel config\n");slight nit that I think your string needs to be indented by 1 space. ;-)
Ah yes, I will have to post v3 anyways to fix commit message in Patch 2 after I get few more feedback for other patches, I will fix this up as well.
Thanks,
Sai
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PATCH v2 4/4 coresight: etm3x: Add support to exclude kernel mode tracing
In reply to Sai Prakash RanjanOn production systems with ETMs enabled, it is preferred to exclude kernel mode(NS EL1) tracing for security concerns and support only userspace(NS EL0) tracing. Perf subsystem interface uses the newly introduced kernel config CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACE to exclude kernel mode tracing, but there is an additional interface via sysfs for ETMs which also needs to be handled to exclude kernel mode tracing. So we use this same generic kernel config to handle the sysfs mode of tracing. This config is disabled by default and would not affect the current configuration which has both kernel and userspace tracing enabled by default.
--- drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm3x-core.c | 3 +++ drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm3x-sysfs.c | 6 ++++++ 2 files changed, 9 insertions(+)
drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm3x-core.c +3 -0
@@ -195,6 +195,9 @@ void etm_set_default(struct etm_config *config)if (WARN_ON_ONCE (!config))return ; +if (IS_ENABLED (CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACE )) + config->mode |=ETM_MODE_EXCL_KERN ; +/* * Taken verbatim from the TRM: *
drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm3x-sysfs.c +6 -0
@@ -116,6 +116,12 @@ static ssize_t mode_store(struct device *dev,if (ret)return ret; +if (IS_ENABLED (CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACE ) && (!(val &ETM_MODE_EXCL_KERN ))) { +dev_warn (dev, +"Kernel mode tracing is not allowed, check your kernel config\n" ); +return -EACCES ; + } +spin_lock (&drvdata->spinlock); config->mode = val &ETM_MODE_ALL ;
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Re: [PATCHv2 4/4] coresight: etm3x: Add support to exclude kernel mode tracing
Hi,
Quoted 12 lines · Sai Prakash Ranjan
On production systems with ETMs enabled, it is preferred to exclude kernel mode(NS EL1) tracing for security concerns and support only userspace(NS EL0) tracing. Perf subsystem interface uses the newly introduced kernel config
CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACEto exclude kernel mode tracing, but there is an additional interface via sysfs for ETMs which also needs to be handled to exclude kernel mode tracing. So we use this same generic kernel config to handle the sysfs mode of tracing. This config is disabled by default and would not affect the current configuration which has both kernel and userspace tracing enabled by default.
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Signed-off-by Sai Prakash Ranjan <[email protected]>--- drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm3x-core.c | 3 +++ drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm3x-sysfs.c | 6 ++++++ 2 files changed, 9 insertions(+)
drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm3x-sysfs.c static ssize_t mode_store(struct device *dev, · line 121
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drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm3x-sysfs.c +3
-0@@ -116,6 +116,12 @@ static ssize_t mode_store(struct device *dev,if (ret)return ret; +if (IS_ENABLED (CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACE ) && (!(val &ETM_MODE_EXCL_KERN ))) { +dev_warn (dev, +"Kernel mode tracing is not allowed, check your kernel config\n" );
Same nit as in patch #3 that the above string should be indented by 1 more space.
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Re: [PATCHv2 4/4] coresight: etm3x: Add support to exclude kernel mode tracing
Quoted 16 lines · Doug Anderson
Hi,
Quoted 12 lines · Sai Prakash Ranjan
On production systems with ETMs enabled, it is preferred to exclude kernel mode(NS EL1) tracing for security concerns and support only userspace(NS EL0) tracing. Perf subsystem interface uses the newly introduced kernel config
CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACEto exclude kernel mode tracing, but there is an additional interface via sysfs for ETMs which also needs to be handled to exclude kernel mode tracing. So we use this same generic kernel config to handle the sysfs mode of tracing. This config is disabled by default and would not affect the current configuration which has both kernel and userspace tracing enabled by default.
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Signed-off-by Sai Prakash Ranjan <[email protected]>--- drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm3x-core.c | 3 +++ drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm3x-sysfs.c | 6 ++++++ 2 files changed, 9 insertions(+)Reviewed-by Douglas Anderson <[email protected]>
Thanks.
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drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm3x-sysfs.c +0
-0@@ -116,6 +116,12 @@ static ssize_t mode_store(struct device *dev,if (ret)return ret;
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drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm3x-sysfs.c static ssize_t mode_store(struct device *dev, · line 123
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drivers/hwtracing/coresight/coresight-etm3x-sysfs.c +3
-0+ if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_EXCLUDE_KERNEL_PMU_TRACE) && (!(val & ETM_MODE_EXCL_KERN))) { + dev_warn(dev, + "Kernel mode tracing is not allowed, check your kernel config\n");Same nit as in patch #3 that the above string should be indented by 1 more space.
Will fix this up as well in v3.
Thanks,
Sai
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Quoted 8 lines · Sai Prakash Ranjan
"Consider a system where disk contents are encrypted and the encryption key is set up by the user when mounting the file system. From that point on the encryption key resides in the kernel. It seems reasonable to expect that the disk encryption key be protected from exfiltration even if the system later suffers a root compromise (or even against insiders that have root access), at least as long as the attacker doesn't manage to compromise the kernel."
Normally disk encryption is in specialized work queues. It's total overkill to restrict all of the kernel if you just want to restrict those work queues.
I would suggest some more analysis where secrets are actually stored and handled first.
-Andi
Quoted 7 lines · Andi Kleen
Normally disk encryption is in specialized work queues. It's total overkill to restrict all of the kernel if you just want to restrict those work queues.
I would suggest some more analysis where secrets are actually stored and handled first.
Also thinking about this more:
You really only want to limit data tracing here.
If tracing branches could reveal secrets the crypto code would be already insecure due to timing side channels. If that's the case it would already require fixing the crypto code.
-Andi
Hi Andi,
Quoted 9 lines · Andi Kleen
Quoted 7 lines · Andi Kleen
Normally disk encryption is in specialized work queues. It's total overkill to restrict all of the kernel if you just want to restrict those work queues.
I would suggest some more analysis where secrets are actually stored and handled first.
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Also thinking about this more:
You really only want to limit data tracing here.
If tracing branches could reveal secrets the crypto code would be already insecure due to timing side channels. If that's the case it would already require fixing the crypto code.
The disk encryption is just one example and there might be others which we might not be aware of yet and we are not suspecting there is something wrong with the crypto code that needs to be fixed. Here the idea was to restrict an external(in the sense that its not related to crypto or any other security related component) entity such as hardware assisted tracing like ARM coresight and so on. I don't see why or how the crypto code needs to be fixed for something that is not related to it although it is affected.
The analogy would be like of the victims and a perpetrator. Lets take coresight as an example for perpetrator and crypto as the victim here. Now we can try to harden the protection and safeguard the victims which may or may not be successful but it will be possible only if we know the victims beforehand. If we just know one victim (lets say crypto code here), what happens to the others which we haven't identified yet? Do we just wait for someone to write an exploit based on this and then scramble to fix it?
Now the other foolproof way of saving the victims would be locking down the perpetrator which would definitely save all the victims but that needs the perpetrator to be identified. In our case, the perpetrator (coresight or any other hw tracing) is already known, so we want to lock it down or restrict it so that if there is actually a vulnerability in crypto or other areas, then this HW assisted tracing wouldn't be able to help exploit it.
Initial change was to restrict this only to HW assisted instruction tracing [1] but Peter wasn't convinced that this applies to only instruction tracing. Hence this change for all kernel level pmu tracing. And this is a configurable option via kernel config so that we don't force it on everyone. This config is also required for coresight etm drivers because they have a sysfs mode of tracing as well in addition to perf mode.
[1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/[email protected]/
Thanks,
Sai
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The disk encryption is just one example and there might be others which we might not be aware of yet and we are not suspecting there is something wrong with the crypto code that needs to be fixed.
Then you don't have any leaks relating to branch tracing.
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restrict an external(in the sense that its not related to crypto or any other security related component) entity such as hardware assisted tracing like ARM coresight and so on. I don't see why or how the crypto code needs to be fixed for something that is not related to it although it is affected.
It's just a general property that if some code that is handling secrets is data dependent it already leaks.
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The analogy would be like of the victims and a perpetrator. Lets take coresight as an example for perpetrator and crypto as the victim here. Now we can try
There's no victim with branch tracing, unless it is already leaky.
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If we just know one victim (lets say crypto code here), what happens to the others which we haven't identified yet? Do we just wait for someone to write an exploit based on this and then scramble to fix it?
For a useful security mitigation you need a threat model first I would say.
So you need to have at least some idea how an attack with branch tracing would work.
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Initial change was to restrict this only to HW assisted instruction tracing [1]
I don't think it's needed for instruction tracing.
-Andi
Hi Andi,
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The disk encryption is just one example and there might be others which we might not be aware of yet and we are not suspecting there is something wrong with the crypto code that needs to be fixed.
Then you don't have any leaks relating to branch tracing.
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restrict an external(in the sense that its not related to crypto or any other security related component) entity such as hardware assisted tracing like ARM coresight and so on. I don't see why or how the crypto code needs to be fixed for something that is not related to it although it is affected.
It's just a general property that if some code that is handling secrets is data dependent it already leaks.
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The analogy would be like of the victims and a perpetrator. Lets take coresight as an example for perpetrator and crypto as the victim here. Now we can try
There's no victim with branch tracing, unless it is already leaky.
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If we just know one victim (lets say crypto code here), what happens to the others which we haven't identified yet? Do we just wait for someone to write an exploit based on this and then scramble to fix it?
For a useful security mitigation you need a threat model first I would say.
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So you need to have at least some idea how an attack with branch tracing would work.
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Initial change was to restrict this only to HW assisted instruction tracing [1]
I don't think it's needed for instruction tracing.
From what I know, newer ARM A-profile cores doesn't allow data tracing. And you are saying that just the instruction tracing cannot be used to infer any important data.
There are few security folks in CC who probably can give us more details on how branch tracing can be used for an exploit. @mnissler?
Thanks,
Sai
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I know this reply is hopelessly late, but I still want to clarify a few things (see inline for that) and provide some background on the thinking that led to this proposal and where we ultimately landed for the benefit of folks that come across this thread in the future.
The team working on tracing had asked me to provide input on the security angle. We generally follow principle of least privilege / attack surface minimization principles, and so the conclusion "kernel tracing not needed" -> let's turn it off so we have one less thing to potentially worry about was an easy one. What I hadn't been aware of is that (a) no such config option exists in the kernel and (b) the approach that the kernel is taking is to limit access to tracing data to privileged users (via perf_event_paranoid sysctl, CAP_PERFMON). Same for leaking kernel code pointers (note that kernel tracing trivially defeats KASLR), privileged userspace can already read /proc/kallsysms. While I would still like the kernel to give us a build time option to disable kernel tracing, we can work with the current state of affairs.
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Hi Andi,
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The disk encryption is just one example
The intention behind that example was to illustrate the point that there are some data items that the kernel should hide to all of userspace, including privileged processes. I know this has been controversial in the past, but I hope we all agree that the kernel (if configured appropriately) is aiming to do so.
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and there might be others
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we might not be aware of yet and we are not suspecting there is something
wrong with the crypto code that needs to be fixed.Then you don't have any leaks relating to branch tracing.
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restrict an external(in the sense that its not related to crypto or any
other security related component) entity such as hardware assisted tracing
like ARM coresight and so on. I don't see why or how the crypto code needs
to be fixed for something that is not related to it although it is affected.It's just a general property that if some code that is handling secrets is data dependent it already leaks.
Timing side channels have been a constant source of grief in crypto implementations for decades now. Things have become better in the most popular implementations, but bugs continue to be found. I happened to chat about this topic with David Benjamin (boringssl maintainer) recently, and his take was that timing side channels are a well understood problem meanwhile, but in practice few implementations get the details right. And the thing with high-resolution timestamps in traces is that it gives you a tool to observe timing differences closer to the source (so less noise) than if you just measure syscall latency from userspace. So, in theory you are right - data-dependent branches should not exist in crypto code, and if they do we should just fix them, since they're potentially exploitable already. In practice, timestamp information in tracing data can act as a magnifying glass that may well make a difference between whether a timing side channel is problematic in practice or not.
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The analogy would be like of the victims and a perpetrator. Lets take coresight
as an example for perpetrator and crypto as the victim here. Now we can tryThere's no victim with branch tracing, unless it is already leaky.
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If we just know one victim (lets say crypto code here), what happens to the
others which we haven't identified yet? Do we just wait for someone to write
an exploit based on this and then scramble to fix it?For a useful security mitigation you need a threat model first I would say.
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So you need to have at least some idea how an attack with branch tracing would work.
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Initial change was to restrict this only to HW assisted instruction tracing [1]
I don't think it's needed for instruction tracing.
From what I know, newer ARM A-profile cores doesn't allow data tracing.
And you
are saying that just the instruction tracing cannot be used to infer any important data.There are few security folks in CC who probably can give us more details on how
branch tracing can be used for an exploit. @mnissler?Thanks,
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