Censorship

Hi all :))

Who is 'warden.diginsite.com'?

Place = Linux-kernel; ; ; DervishD
Sender = DervishD
Subject = About the need of a swap area Delivery Time = July 27, 2002 (Saturday) 05:21:54 Policy = Dirty Words
Action on this mail = Quarantine message

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That is so we cannot write the f* word anymore? Maybe if I say
'Dirty Words' in my mother language they will pass undetected, coño! XDDDDDDDD

    Well, absurd...

    Raúl

Smells of some M$ system -- which even isn't a subscriber of linux-kernel list (at least with that name). Perhaps some ISP ?

The M$-smell comes specifically from "Delivery Time" line, being formatted in M$-style way, and entirely lacking time zone info.. Also the entire message has overall style of M$ environment..

Hi Matti :)

Its MTA is IIS, so you are right, is a M$ system. And the name
smells like an ISP. Just I don't know how the message got thru its system, my MTA sends mail directly to destination (that is, to vger).

Maybe a subscriber is client of warden.diginsite.com

Raúl

From: "DervishD" <[email protected]>

All that aside it has been said that profanity is the effort of a weak mind to express itself. Of course, I've demonstrated my own weak mind from time to time. I just try to avoid having it immortalized on the web somewhere. Imagine an prospective employer making a quick search for a background search. Good impressions do help one acquire the jobs that allow us to continue this playing.

{^_-}

Hi jdow :)

Well, it may be true sometimes, but I don't think so. One nobel
prize in my country used 'gross language' to achieve expresiveness in his books. Moreover, he sometimes used it just because it was the correct word. In english 'dirty words' are not the same as in other languages. In spanish, for example, we have a great set of dirty words that means very complicated expressions. You wouldn't find a clean word to substitute.

Yes, let's have a 'clean web' through censorship. This is an
advance. And, oh, well, let's forbid too politically incorrect language, and, why not? language that is pain for our ears (that is, opinions against the 'mass'). Censorship is *never* well.

If an employer values more my language (or my look, so to say)
that my brain and capacity, I don't want to work for him. And I know, believe me: if Alan Cox asks for a job (as a developer, for instance) in some enterprises here in my country (just an example again) he should have its hair cut and the beard removed, and better wear an expensive suit (with a tie, of course). I, personally, add more value to the things inside of the head than outside.

And people who gets hurt by dirty words as 'porn' (I include it
here just for having this message rejected too) has a very poor tolerance to pain, I think...

Raúl

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On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, DervishD wrote:

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Now, since we have a weekend, it's time for an opposite opinion. Let's have some fun and thinking.

Censorship is great. It improves creativity. You may say "a bitch is a forbidden word". And I would say "You son of a woffom" (WOman Fucking FOr Money). Or we could make our dirty words more politically correct, by using a word "huffom" (yes, that's HUman Fucking FOr Money). You see, censorship is really wonderfull (wonder-full) and I love it so much.

In my country (Poland), censorship never worked as expected. People always knew better what was going on (in most cases, I think). Besides, after 1989 everything is allowed and the quality of books and films here is really bad - just ask anybody from Poland if s/he likes films created during censorship or newer ones. All right, even if not everybody, I myself think that newer ones are simply stupid. It (the quality) only started to improve slightly a year or two ago. It was better with censorship.

And besides if one wants to say something, censorship won't stop this. Thus I think that censorship is not for imprisonment of mind but rather a tool for improving artistic production. If it was created for imprisonment or preventing the truth, than I suspect it was a product of some idiot (bureauidiocy? - perhaps).

Instead of "fucking" just say "hasing". And voila - language firewall is neutralised. I would even risk to say, that trying to stop an inteligent man with... ehm, balls is a futile effort of some poor tioffups (Webster: the illegitimate offspring of unmarried parents), who think that hiding a problem is the same as solving it. As long as they (those tioffups) lack inteligence and balls, their efforts can't be successful.

So, it's not the barrier that counts but the spirit that wants to pass through it. If one has no spirit, than even gods won't help him (well, Thor wouldn't waste his time to help a spiritless doormat, I'm pretty sure about this).

As of dirty words, I don't think they are good but the fact is, that they are. And they are to stay. Instead of throwing money into the mud, some people should think more about things like "where are the dirty words coming from" and "why do we need them". This could solve the problem. If this is a problem, that is. I like using those words from time to time. They are like spice to the language. Without them, our speech would be tasteless. With too many of them, our speech is nasty. Using a spice requires both a sense of taste and some thinking behind it. In a bad hands, however, this is just a "weakling demonstrating it's weakness" (and emptiness), as someone before me have already written. Here in Poland, bad language is a common way to avoid showing lack of one's own language skills. Sad story. Once again, some stupid tioffups were/are trying to stop this with powers of gov ("bla bla, those words are
forbidden: bla bla bla ... and now we have this problem off of our heads") instead of just improving readership.

By the way, there are many other spices to the language as well as natural tastes (no spice at all). To say something without colorizing it with a spice is a watermark of a real artist (if it is still tasty of course).

So I don't care about the censorship at all. If there is any such thing in the future I would recommend evolving the language so fast, that the tioffups stop understanding what we are talking about. It may be a problem for untrained people but not for someone who hacks all day long. OPS, I've used a forbidden word - I meant 'twoses', "to work on something". Just another language exercise. And what fun.

The idea of creating a new language is not mine - I have read about it in Andrzej Zajdel books - Polish s-f writer, now dead but his books are still in my head. In a book titled "Paradyzja" (don't know how to translate, perhaps "Paradisia" is ok), society is totally invigilated but some people invented a slang and use it for digging holes. There are many variations of this concept. For example, one can use common words with totally different meaning - alchemists are said to create such encrypted books, so that the meaning is hidden well under what seems to be totally stupid babbling.

Now, back to twosing. See you. I ave to twos into those Fivegon pasokons. You know. Or do you? :-). All right, actually I will first twos my own pasokon. Then I will see. Wish me happy twosing.

bye
T.

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You seem to be forgetting one important detail.

The internet is not public property, it is a large group of interconnected private properties.

The owners of each of these private properties can decide for themselves what content they do and do not want to have on their own properties.

So-called "freedom of speech" is something that exists in public space, I can organise protests in public space and you can't do anything about it, but if I were to held a protest in your garden you'd have every right to kick me out. ;)

regards,

Rik

Bravely reimplemented by the knights who say "NIH".

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From: "Rik van Riel" <[email protected]>

More to the serious point here, Rik, he is trying to remove one of the more excellent twit filter tools that exists. Most of the time emails which are heavy in profanity are from people who I have little or no desire to deal with in their "current" mental state. When they cool off a little and are no longer using profanity they are rational enough to listen to problem solutions, in most cases. Of course, there are people who seem to be utterly unable to avoid profanity. There was a supervisor for the manufacturing floor at one company where I worked for awhile. He always invaded a person's personal space for any level of conversation and proceeded to lace his conversation with "dirty words" as his punctuation marks. I learned to avoid him. He was also one of the contributing factors, a modest one to be sure, that led to my leaving that company after a year and five months. (And no, he did not show any of the other "tics" of Tourette's (sp?) Syndrome.)

{^_^}

Get your hands off your private parts and read DervishD's original post ratrher than responding to a cascade of stupidity.

He mentioned the word "p.o.r.n", which triggered a spam filter. End of story.

Clueless farts.

Get a life, and stop wasting bandwidth if you can't contribute.