Spam in the NFS list
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I'm getting more and more spam that's sent to this list (not a great amount at the moment, but it's not likely to reduce) - is there anything that can be done to prevent this happening by the list administrators?
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James Pearson
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Without closing the list, there's nothing "the list" can do. Your
e-mail provider could/should invest (money, time or both) in anti-spam technology and then you wouldn't see them... Like me. :)
Quoted 17 lines · James Pearson
I'm getting more and more spam that's sent to this list (not a great amount at the moment, but it's not likely to reduce) - is there anything that can be done to prevent this happening by the list administrators?
Thanks
James Pearson
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Matthew Keller Enterprise Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services State University of New York @ Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ ------------------------------------------------------- Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions www.enterpriselinuxforum.com _______________________________________________ NFS maillist - [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nfs
Is there any reason for leaving the list open to email from non-subscribed users?
Most of the technical lists that I'm on have adopted a subscriber-only email policy with little resistance from their members...
(This is assuming these spammers aren't subscribing and then sending mail. Which, I'd guess, is rather unlikely...)
Jake
Quoted 42 lines · On 13 May 2003 08:18:02 -0400 Matthew Keller <[email protected]> wrote:
Without closing the list, there's nothing "the list" can do. Your
e-mail provider could/should invest (money, time or both) in anti-spam technology and then you wouldn't see them... Like me. :)Quoted 17 lines · James Pearson
I'm getting more and more spam that's sent to this list (not a great amount at the moment, but it's not likely to reduce) - is there anything that can be done to prevent this happening by the list administrators?
Thanks
James Pearson
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Matthew Keller Enterprise Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services State University of New York @ Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ ------------------------------------------------------- Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions www.enterpriselinuxforum.com _______________________________________________ NFS maillist - [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nfs
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Jake Gold Systems Engineer DTI Services, Inc. ------------------------------------------------------- Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions www.enterpriselinuxforum.com _______________________________________________ NFS maillist - [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nfs
Generally, open source development lists stay open- Especially Source Forge lists. I'm the "list mom" for a couple, and anytime I bring up the idea of closing the list I get a barrage of "I don't want to subscribe to the evil/facist SourceForge service". This is, of course, moot for most people, and *I* prefer closed lists, but there are all sorts of people out there. Just something to think about.
Quoted 5 lines · Jake Gold
Is there any reason for leaving the list open to email from non-subscribed users?
Most of the technical lists that I'm on have adopted a subscriber-only email policy with little resistance from their members...
(This is assuming these spammers aren't subscribing and then sending mail. Which, I'd guess, is rather unlikely...)
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Matthew Keller Enterprise Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services State University of New York @ Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ ------------------------------------------------------- Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions www.enterpriselinuxforum.com _______________________________________________ NFS maillist - [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nfs
Does anyone on this list object to the list becoming closed?
James Pearson
Quoted 23 lines · Matthew Keller
Generally, open source development lists stay open- Especially Source Forge lists. I'm the "list mom" for a couple, and anytime I bring up the idea of closing the list I get a barrage of "I don't want to subscribe to the evil/facist SourceForge service". This is, of course, moot for most people, and *I* prefer closed lists, but there are all sorts of people out there. Just something to think about.
Quoted 5 lines · Jake Gold
Is there any reason for leaving the list open to email from non-subscribed users?
Most of the technical lists that I'm on have adopted a subscriber-only email policy with little resistance from their members...
(This is assuming these spammers aren't subscribing and then sending mail. Which, I'd guess, is rather unlikely...)
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Computing & Technology Services
State University of New York @ Potsdam
Potsdam, NY USA
http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/
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Quoted 3 lines · Jake Gold
Is there any reason for leaving the list open to email from non-subscribed users?
Done.
H.J.
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Quoted 6 lines · On Tuesday May 13, [email protected] wrote:
Quoted 3 lines · Jake Gold
Is there any reason for leaving the list open to email from non-subscribed users?
Done.
I would appreciate if you would undo that, at least until a reasonable discussion has been had among the subscribers.
NeilBrown
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Quoted 2 lines · Jake Gold
Is there any reason for leaving the list open to email from non-subscribed users?
Yes: receiving bug reports. This is the same reason why linux-kernel, linux-smp and others cannot become closed.
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Most of the technical lists that I'm on have adopted a subscriber-only email policy with little resistance from their members...
This would be fine if only developers are on it. They are interested in being on the list for as long as possible, while people posting just to report a bug/crash/problem would just want to get some advice on their specific bug/crash/problem and then go away.
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Bogdan Costescu IWR - Interdisziplinaeres Zentrum fuer Wissenschaftliches Rechnen Universitaet Heidelberg, INF 368, D-69120 Heidelberg, GERMANY Telephone: +49 6221 54 8869, Telefax: +49 6221 54 8868 E-mail: [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------- Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions www.enterpriselinuxforum.com _______________________________________________ NFS maillist - [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nfs
Quoted 2 lines · Bogdan Costescu
Yes: receiving bug reports. This is the same reason why linux-kernel, linux-smp and others cannot become closed.
Have you ever looked at the number of bug reports on l-k from non-subscribers that get listened to? It's approximately zero, and has been for years.
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Quoted 7 lines · Bryan O'Sullivan
Quoted 2 lines · Bogdan Costescu
Yes: receiving bug reports. This is the same reason why linux-kernel, linux-smp and others cannot become closed.
Have you ever looked at the number of bug reports on l-k from non-subscribers that get listened to? It's approximately zero, and has been for years.
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I recently found a bug, sent some mails there[1] and got a patch[2] that fixed the problem for me.
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[1] <[email protected]> ff., <[email protected]>
[2] <[email protected]>
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Quoted 3 lines · Bryan O'Sullivan
Have you ever looked at the number of bug reports on l-k from non-subscribers that get listened to? It's approximately zero, and has been for years.
I cannot comment on this as I dropped off from l-k because of the high volume.
Now, imagine the situation where your most important NFS server crashes, then crashes again and again and you start pulling your hair out not knowing what's happening and being pressed by your boss to find a solution. Would you be happy if in trying to contact the people that can help you you'd have to first subscribe to a mailing list _knowing_ that you have nothing in common and do not understand much of what is discussed on this list and would probably unsubscribe as soon as a solution was found for your problem ?
Even more, I think this whole discussion is not very useful. If this list is the only one that you are subscribed to, then I understand your point. But even so, it might be archived somewhere without address protection and a spider will be able to find your address and send messages directly to you.
If you'd be subscribed to tens of lists (like I am) you'd soon realize that you can't ask all lists to be closed just so that you are protected. The best solution is what _you_ can control, be it your own e-mail server with filtering, using procmail or just abusing the "d" key...
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Bogdan Costescu IWR - Interdisziplinaeres Zentrum fuer Wissenschaftliches Rechnen Universitaet Heidelberg, INF 368, D-69120 Heidelberg, GERMANY Telephone: +49 6221 54 8869, Telefax: +49 6221 54 8868 E-mail: [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------- Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions www.enterpriselinuxforum.com _______________________________________________ NFS maillist - [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nfs
Hello Bogdan,
We run many critical Linux NFS servers ( and hundreds of Linux clients as w= ell) and have been doing so for a long time now.
I can't even imagine not being subscribed to this list for any serious sysa= dmin running Linux NFS servers (and/or clients)
Actually, reading the daily posts from all the MLs, especially the NFS one = is something i
do daily when i arrive at work.
Software have bugs, so i wouldn't hope to run bug free/ crash free Linux se= rvers once it's installed.
To sum up, i wouldn't see any objection to have this list closed. IMHO, eve= ryone that is concerned with running
Linux NFS servers/clients should be subscribed to this list :)
Thanks,
Philippe
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Philippe Gramoull=E9
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Lycos Europe - NOC France
On Tue, 13 May 2003 19:16:49 +0200 (CEST)
Bogdan Costescu <[email protected]> wrote:
| Now, imagine the situation where your most important NFS server crashes=
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| then crashes again and again and you start pulling your hair out not=20 | knowing what's happening and being pressed by your boss to find a=20 | solution. Would you be happy if in trying to contact the people that=20 | can help you you'd have to first subscribe to a mailing list _knowing_= =20 | that you have nothing in common and do not understand much of what is=20 | discussed on this list and would probably unsubscribe as soon as a=20 | solution was found for your problem ?
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Quoted 8 lines · Bogdan Costescu
Quoted 2 lines · Jake Gold
Is there any reason for leaving the list open to email from non-subscribed users?
Yes: receiving bug reports. This is the same reason why linux-kernel, linux-smp and others cannot become closed.
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Most of the technical lists that I'm on have adopted a subscriber-only email policy with little resistance from their members...
This would be fine if only developers are on it. They are interested in being on the list for as long as possible, while people posting just to report a bug/crash/problem would just want to get some advice on their specific bug/crash/problem and then go away.
Spamassassin + Bayesian classifier is nailing 100% of this crap on my system. Didn't even realize it was occuring until seeing this thread and checking the (overflowing) spam bucket.
Steve
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Quoted 7 lines · On Tuesday May 13, [email protected] wrote:
Is there any reason for leaving the list open to email from non-subscribed users?
Most of the technical lists that I'm on have adopted a subscriber-only email policy with little resistance from their members...
No resistance from the members, but ofcourse it isn't the members who this inconveniences, at least not directly.
I am very much against making this list closed. I want bug reports to be sent here. I tell people who send bug reports to be personally to send them here. It means that more people can share the support load, and it means that questions and answers get archived. Anything that decreases the ease of bug reports getting to this list is a BAD THING.
As far as spam goes, I agree that spam is a problem, but I think that hiding is not the right solution.
I don't feel there is an enormous amount of spam on this list (certainly as a percentage) but I agree that it has been increasing. I am on several @vger.kernel.org lists and they get substantially less spam (though not zero). This is because the admins have set up filters that discard lots of common spam. One would expect that a similar thing would be available on sourceforge, though I haven't looked.
In short, I am happy to raise the barrier to sending mail a little, e.g. to exclude HTML-only email and some common strings - see
http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-taboos.txt
but I am not happy to raise it so high that only subscribers can post.
NeilBrown
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" " == Neil Brown <[email protected]> writes:
> In short, I am happy to raise the barrier to sending mail a > little, e.g. to exclude HTML-only email and some common strings > - see
> http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-taboos.txt
> but I am not happy to raise it so high that only subscribers > can post.
I fully agree with Neil's opinion.
Only a tiny fraction of the spam I recieve daily comes through this list, and almost all of that again is killed by a simple rule-based filter that I maintain (no fancy Bayesian stuff - just common sense).
Cheers,
Trond
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