What's happening?
Thank you Jerry,
I did get it and it seams good.
The fact that you are going to Rwanda makes it even better. One of the things I was working on is the following:
Originally, some of you guys were saying that ELKS, since it can run on any pc, from an 8088 to a Pentium IV, could
be a very useful in developing countries where old computers are much more common that the newest ones.
Is there anybody who can give me some infos about this side of ELKS? Many thanks.
Emanuele
"[email protected]" wrote:
We're not in London, we're in the Smokey Mountains of Asheville NC US.
But we could do an email interview.
I don't know what your schedule is, but I'm headed to Rwanda in July with the Inner Peace work. If it's real important to do something in person, I might be able to route myself that way and do a layover.
I just did a post with a little info about what we're doing. If you didn't get it, let me know.
Quoted 2 lines · Emanuele Galloni
Hello guys,
I am still trying to give to ELKS some sort of media resonance.. I
would like
Quoted 1 line
to video- interview somebody about it and shoot some computers and
palmtops
Quoted 1 line
running it. I am based in London (UK) from were I cover things for
Lulop.com.
Quoted 1 line
If anybody is still interested and is not too far from here, please,
let me
Quoted 5 lines
know.
Emanuele
Quoted 7 lines
Quoted 4 lines · Richard Wallman
Quoted 1 line · Miguel Bolanos
In the new site we will have the status of the project, as well as
the
Quoted 1 line
Quoted 1 line
Quoted 1 line
TODO list and docs, this site is intended to be available in
several
Quoted 6 lines
Quoted 6 lines
Quoted 1 line
languages.
If you need web space, I'll happily provide some.
Quoted 1 line
Regarding the project it self, the last commit was indeed several
months
Quoted 4 lines
Quoted 3 lines
Quoted 1 line
ago, i am trying to organize my time to get back into all this.
That's okay, I just thought it may have been abandoned altogether! I
Quoted 8 lines
Quoted 8 lines
may get round to finished my xmodem and compression programs then...
--
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Here's what I've found out from discussions with computer recyclers around the world. (Canada, BTW, has one of the most well developed computer recycling programs.) The resourcful ones have plenty of demand for pentiums, 486's, and even 386's, and put most of the ones they can salvage back into use. They even use 286's for word processing machines and are pretty much matched with supply and demand.
They have some use for 8086's for some science applications, but they have more supply than demand. If they had applications for the 8086's, they would love to put them to good use.
Even when they recycle the parts for scrap metal and keep them out of landfills, that's still a poor utilization of the resource compared to keeping them functioning as intact computers. As insignificant as these computers seem by today's standards, they are so far above having no computer, particularly with the right applications.
The value to society of keeping these computers doing something of value is huge. When you add the value of keeping them out of landfills it gets much bigger. With the billions of dollars companies are sinking into open source and the potential liability exposure manufactures like IBM, HP, and even Dell will face from the environmental hazards of these old computers in landfills, both the actual and PR value of supporting a program like ELKS is a no brainer. We just need to present this to the right people who do the funding for open source.
If anybody has the right connections to get some financial support for ELKS from some of the sources that are already funding open source, please get this info before them. Compared to what's being spent elsewhere, we're really talking small change and huge return on investment.
I'm planning to visit Red Hat in the next few weeks before I head for Rwanda. They probably don't have the funding themselves but should be well connected to those who do. I'm hoping to inspire them to put some support into this. Hopefully that will get the funders to throw some small change behind ELKS and get this project to a stable, functioning level.
Quoted 85 lines · Emanuele Galloni
Thank you Jerry,
I did get it and it seams good.
The fact that you are going to Rwanda makes it even better. One of the things I was working on is the following:
Originally, some of you guys were saying that ELKS, since it can run on any pc, from an 8088 to a Pentium IV, could
be a very useful in developing countries where old computers are much more common that the newest ones.
Is there anybody who can give me some infos about this side of ELKS? Many thanks.
Emanuele"[email protected]" wrote:
We're not in London, we're in the Smokey Mountains of Asheville NC US.
But we could do an email interview.
I don't know what your schedule is, but I'm headed to Rwanda in July with the Inner Peace work. If it's real important to do something in person, I might be able to route myself that way and do a layover.
I just did a post with a little info about what we're doing. If you didn't get it, let me know.
Quoted 2 lines · Emanuele Galloni
Hello guys,
I am still trying to give to ELKS some sort of media resonance.. Iwould like
Quoted 1 line
to video- interview somebody about it and shoot some computers and
palmtops
Quoted 1 line
running it. I am based in London (UK) from were I cover things for
Lulop.com.
Quoted 1 line
If anybody is still interested and is not too far from here, please,
let me
Quoted 5 lines
know.
EmanueleQuoted 7 lines
Quoted 4 lines · Richard Wallman
Quoted 1 line · Miguel Bolanos
In the new site we will have the status of the project, as well as
the
Quoted 1 line
Quoted 1 line
Quoted 1 line
TODO list and docs, this site is intended to be available in
several
Quoted 6 lines
Quoted 6 lines
Quoted 1 line
languages.
If you need web space, I'll happily provide some.
Quoted 1 line
Regarding the project it self, the last commit was indeed several
months
Quoted 4 lines
Quoted 3 lines
Quoted 1 line
ago, i am trying to organize my time to get back into all this.
That's okay, I just thought it may have been abandoned altogether! I
Quoted 8 lines
Quoted 8 lines
may get round to finished my xmodem and compression programs then...
--
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It sounds really good to me and I can see a lot of material for a good story. We at Lulop are thinking about opensource too for our videopusher software that we use for videonews distribution to broadcasters, so this has a double importance for us.
Going back to Canada, can you tell me more about this program? What is the name of the organisation who is managing this?
By the way, I am looking forward to meet you in London and speak more deeply about this issue so we can put a nice piece altogheter.
Bestest.
Emanuele
Quoted 129 lines · "[email protected]" wrote:
Here's what I've found out from discussions with computer recyclers around the world. (Canada, BTW, has one of the most well developed computer recycling programs.) The resourcful ones have plenty of demand for pentiums, 486's, and even 386's, and put most of the ones they can salvage back into use. They even use 286's for word processing machines and are pretty much matched with supply and demand.
They have some use for 8086's for some science applications, but they have more supply than demand. If they had applications for the 8086's, they would love to put them to good use.
Even when they recycle the parts for scrap metal and keep them out of landfills, that's still a poor utilization of the resource compared to keeping them functioning as intact computers. As insignificant as these computers seem by today's standards, they are so far above having no computer, particularly with the right applications.
The value to society of keeping these computers doing something of value is huge. When you add the value of keeping them out of landfills it gets much bigger. With the billions of dollars companies are sinking into open source and the potential liability exposure manufactures like IBM, HP, and even Dell will face from the environmental hazards of these old computers in landfills, both the actual and PR value of supporting a program like ELKS is a no brainer. We just need to present this to the right people who do the funding for open source.
If anybody has the right connections to get some financial support for ELKS from some of the sources that are already funding open source, please get this info before them. Compared to what's being spent elsewhere, we're really talking small change and huge return on investment.
I'm planning to visit Red Hat in the next few weeks before I head for Rwanda. They probably don't have the funding themselves but should be well connected to those who do. I'm hoping to inspire them to put some support into this. Hopefully that will get the funders to throw some small change behind ELKS and get this project to a stable, functioning level.
Quoted 76 lines · Emanuele Galloni
Thank you Jerry,
I did get it and it seams good.
The fact that you are going to Rwanda makes it even better. One of the things I was working on is the following:
Originally, some of you guys were saying that ELKS, since it can run on any pc, from an 8088 to a Pentium IV, could
be a very useful in developing countries where old computers are much more common that the newest ones.
Is there anybody who can give me some infos about this side of ELKS? Many thanks.
Emanuele"[email protected]" wrote:
We're not in London, we're in the Smokey Mountains of Asheville NC US.
But we could do an email interview.
I don't know what your schedule is, but I'm headed to Rwanda in July with the Inner Peace work. If it's real important to do something in person, I might be able to route myself that way and do a layover.
I just did a post with a little info about what we're doing. If you didn't get it, let me know.
Quoted 2 lines · Emanuele Galloni
Hello guys,
I am still trying to give to ELKS some sort of media resonance.. Iwould like
Quoted 1 line
to video- interview somebody about it and shoot some computers and
palmtops
Quoted 1 line
running it. I am based in London (UK) from were I cover things for
Lulop.com.
Quoted 1 line
If anybody is still interested and is not too far from here, please,
let me
Quoted 5 lines
know.
EmanueleQuoted 7 lines
Quoted 4 lines · Richard Wallman
Quoted 1 line · Miguel Bolanos
In the new site we will have the status of the project, as well as
the
Quoted 1 line
Quoted 1 line
Quoted 1 line
TODO list and docs, this site is intended to be available in
several
Quoted 6 lines
Quoted 6 lines
Quoted 1 line
languages.
If you need web space, I'll happily provide some.
Quoted 1 line
Regarding the project it self, the last commit was indeed several
months
Quoted 4 lines
Quoted 3 lines
Quoted 1 line
ago, i am trying to organize my time to get back into all this.
That's okay, I just thought it may have been abandoned altogether! I
Quoted 8 lines
Quoted 8 lines
may get round to finished my xmodem and compression programs then...
--
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http://www.murkygoth.uklinux.net/elks-
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Here's the link for the Canadian program:
http://cfs.ic.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=en&id=6
As far as meeting in London, I don't know what your timetable is, but mine isn't 100% definite yet. I am very committed to accetping the invitation to bring Inner Peace to Rwanda. Since I have no idea how involved things will be there I'm going with an openended return. So, I need to have my projects here well functioning enough to continue in my absence if I am gone for a long time. That may mean I would have to delay my trip to Rwanda a bit and not be able to meet you in London in mid July.
Feel free to email me offist if you want to discuss anything in detail that the list might not want to bother with.
I forgot who started this thread, but my hat goes off to whoever did. It has breathed new life into ELKS. This is an exciting project and I'd love to see it get to a stable and usable level.
Yours in peace,
Jerry
Quoted 151 lines · Emanuele Galloni
It sounds really good to me and I can see a lot of material for a good story. We at Lulop are thinking about opensource too for our videopusher software that we use for videonews distribution to broadcasters, so this has a double importance for us.
Going back to Canada, can you tell me more about this program? What is the name of the organisation who is managing this?
By the way, I am looking forward to meet you in London and speak more deeply about this issue so we can put a nice piece altogheter.
Bestest.
EmanueleQuoted 126 lines · "[email protected]" wrote:
Here's what I've found out from discussions with computer recyclers around the world. (Canada, BTW, has one of the most well developed computer recycling programs.) The resourcful ones have plenty of demand for pentiums, 486's, and even 386's, and put most of the ones they can salvage back into use. They even use 286's for word processing machines and are pretty much matched with supply and demand.
They have some use for 8086's for some science applications, but they have more supply than demand. If they had applications for the 8086's, they would love to put them to good use.
Even when they recycle the parts for scrap metal and keep them out of landfills, that's still a poor utilization of the resource compared to keeping them functioning as intact computers. As insignificant as these computers seem by today's standards, they are so far above having no computer, particularly with the right applications.
The value to society of keeping these computers doing something of value is huge. When you add the value of keeping them out of landfills it gets much bigger. With the billions of dollars companies are sinking into open source and the potential liability exposure manufactures like IBM, HP, and even Dell will face from the environmental hazards of these old computers in landfills, both the actual and PR value of supporting a program like ELKS is a no brainer. We just need to present this to the right people who do the funding for open source.
If anybody has the right connections to get some financial support for ELKS from some of the sources that are already funding open source, please get this info before them. Compared to what's being spent elsewhere, we're really talking small change and huge return on investment.
I'm planning to visit Red Hat in the next few weeks before I head for Rwanda. They probably don't have the funding themselves but should be well connected to those who do. I'm hoping to inspire them to put some support into this. Hopefully that will get the funders to throw some small change behind ELKS and get this project to a stable, functioning level.
Quoted 76 lines · Emanuele Galloni
Thank you Jerry,
I did get it and it seams good.
The fact that you are going to Rwanda makes it even better. One of the things I was working on is the following:
Originally, some of you guys were saying that ELKS, since it can run on any pc, from an 8088 to a Pentium IV, could
be a very useful in developing countries where old computers are much more common that the newest ones.
Is there anybody who can give me some infos about this side of ELKS? Many thanks.
Emanuele"[email protected]" wrote:
We're not in London, we're in the Smokey Mountains of Asheville NC US.
But we could do an email interview.
I don't know what your schedule is, but I'm headed to Rwanda in July with the Inner Peace work. If it's real important to do something in person, I might be able to route myself that way and do a layover.
I just did a post with a little info about what we're doing. If you didn't get it, let me know.
Quoted 2 lines · Emanuele Galloni
Hello guys,
I am still trying to give to ELKS some sort of media resonance.. Iwould like
Quoted 1 line
to video- interview somebody about it and shoot some computers and
palmtops
Quoted 1 line
running it. I am based in London (UK) from were I cover things for
Lulop.com.
Quoted 1 line
If anybody is still interested and is not too far from here, please,
let me
Quoted 5 lines
know.
EmanueleQuoted 7 lines
Quoted 4 lines · Richard Wallman
Quoted 1 line · Miguel Bolanos
In the new site we will have the status of the project, as well as
the
Quoted 1 line
Quoted 1 line
Quoted 1 line
TODO list and docs, this site is intended to be available in
several
Quoted 6 lines
Quoted 6 lines
Quoted 1 line
languages.
If you need web space, I'll happily provide some.
Quoted 1 line
Regarding the project it self, the last commit was indeed several
months
Quoted 4 lines
Quoted 3 lines
Quoted 1 line
ago, i am trying to organize my time to get back into all this.
That's okay, I just thought it may have been abandoned altogether! I
Quoted 8 lines
Quoted 8 lines
may get round to finished my xmodem and compression programs then...
--
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Thank you.
Actually I have a better idea.
Please, take with you a dvcamera or any other camera in Rwanda and film yourself in that enviroment anwering the questions I will send you about ELKS. The questions will be very connected to the third world issues too and how computer running ELKS could be used in countries like Rwanda.
Also, if you could send us the coverage of the Inner Peace project, we will be happy to distribute it and syundicate it through our network of corporate and no-profit tv broadcasters.
Awaiting for your news. All the bestest.
Emanuele
Quoted 176 lines · "[email protected]" wrote:
Here's the link for the Canadian program:
http://cfs.ic.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=en&id=6As far as meeting in London, I don't know what your timetable is, but mine isn't 100% definite yet. I am very committed to accetping the invitation to bring Inner Peace to Rwanda. Since I have no idea how involved things will be there I'm going with an openended return. So, I need to have my projects here well functioning enough to continue in my absence if I am gone for a long time. That may mean I would have to delay my trip to Rwanda a bit and not be able to meet you in London in mid July.
Feel free to email me offist if you want to discuss anything in detail that the list might not want to bother with.
I forgot who started this thread, but my hat goes off to whoever did. It has breathed new life into ELKS. This is an exciting project and I'd love to see it get to a stable and usable level.
Yours in peace,
Jerry
Quoted 151 lines · Emanuele Galloni
It sounds really good to me and I can see a lot of material for a good story. We at Lulop are thinking about opensource too for our videopusher software that we use for videonews distribution to broadcasters, so this has a double importance for us.
Going back to Canada, can you tell me more about this program? What is the name of the organisation who is managing this?
By the way, I am looking forward to meet you in London and speak more deeply about this issue so we can put a nice piece altogheter.
Bestest.
EmanueleQuoted 126 lines · "[email protected]" wrote:
Here's what I've found out from discussions with computer recyclers around the world. (Canada, BTW, has one of the most well developed computer recycling programs.) The resourcful ones have plenty of demand for pentiums, 486's, and even 386's, and put most of the ones they can salvage back into use. They even use 286's for word processing machines and are pretty much matched with supply and demand.
They have some use for 8086's for some science applications, but they have more supply than demand. If they had applications for the 8086's, they would love to put them to good use.
Even when they recycle the parts for scrap metal and keep them out of landfills, that's still a poor utilization of the resource compared to keeping them functioning as intact computers. As insignificant as these computers seem by today's standards, they are so far above having no computer, particularly with the right applications.
The value to society of keeping these computers doing something of value is huge. When you add the value of keeping them out of landfills it gets much bigger. With the billions of dollars companies are sinking into open source and the potential liability exposure manufactures like IBM, HP, and even Dell will face from the environmental hazards of these old computers in landfills, both the actual and PR value of supporting a program like ELKS is a no brainer. We just need to present this to the right people who do the funding for open source.
If anybody has the right connections to get some financial support for ELKS from some of the sources that are already funding open source, please get this info before them. Compared to what's being spent elsewhere, we're really talking small change and huge return on investment.
I'm planning to visit Red Hat in the next few weeks before I head for Rwanda. They probably don't have the funding themselves but should be well connected to those who do. I'm hoping to inspire them to put some support into this. Hopefully that will get the funders to throw some small change behind ELKS and get this project to a stable, functioning level.
Quoted 76 lines · Emanuele Galloni
Thank you Jerry,
I did get it and it seams good.
The fact that you are going to Rwanda makes it even better. One of the things I was working on is the following:
Originally, some of you guys were saying that ELKS, since it can run on any pc, from an 8088 to a Pentium IV, could
be a very useful in developing countries where old computers are much more common that the newest ones.
Is there anybody who can give me some infos about this side of ELKS? Many thanks.
Emanuele"[email protected]" wrote:
We're not in London, we're in the Smokey Mountains of Asheville NC US.
But we could do an email interview.
I don't know what your schedule is, but I'm headed to Rwanda in July with the Inner Peace work. If it's real important to do something in person, I might be able to route myself that way and do a layover.
I just did a post with a little info about what we're doing. If you didn't get it, let me know.
Quoted 2 lines · Emanuele Galloni
Hello guys,
I am still trying to give to ELKS some sort of media resonance.. Iwould like
Quoted 1 line
to video- interview somebody about it and shoot some computers and
palmtops
Quoted 1 line
running it. I am based in London (UK) from were I cover things for
Lulop.com.
Quoted 1 line
If anybody is still interested and is not too far from here, please,
let me
Quoted 5 lines
know.
EmanueleQuoted 7 lines
Quoted 4 lines · Richard Wallman
Quoted 1 line · Miguel Bolanos
In the new site we will have the status of the project, as well as
the
Quoted 1 line
Quoted 1 line
Quoted 1 line
TODO list and docs, this site is intended to be available in
several
Quoted 6 lines
Quoted 6 lines
Quoted 1 line
languages.
If you need web space, I'll happily provide some.
Quoted 1 line
Regarding the project it self, the last commit was indeed several
months
Quoted 4 lines
Quoted 3 lines
Quoted 1 line
ago, i am trying to organize my time to get back into all this.
That's okay, I just thought it may have been abandoned altogether! I
Quoted 8 lines
Quoted 8 lines
may get round to finished my xmodem and compression programs then...
--
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http://www.murkygoth.uklinux.net/elks-
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Dear Emanuele,
I'm not sure how ready the InnerPeace-8086 project will be by the time I go to Rwanda, even if I don't go until August. The current plan is to have a beta release ready in time for the eGovOS conference in Paris in November. We feel pretty confident of being able to do that. I'll keep you and the list posted as that develops.
On the first phase of the Rwanda project, I'll be teaching people who want to learn the Inner Peace process how to run it on themselves and teach it to others. The focus for the first phase will be with people who speak both English and the local language. After some of them demonstrate an aptitude for it, they'll be the ones to take it to the people who speak no English.
I'll send you some more info on parts of the Inner Peace project unrelated to ELKS offlist.
Thanks for your inspiration and support.
Yours in peace,
Jerry
Quoted 197 lines · Emanuele Galloni
Thank you.
Actually I have a better idea.
Please, take with you a dvcamera or any other camera in Rwanda and film yourself in that enviroment anwering the questions I will send you about ELKS. The questions will be very connected to the third world issues too and how computer running ELKS could be used in countries like Rwanda.
Also, if you could send us the coverage of the Inner Peace project, we will be happy to distribute it and syundicate it through our network of corporate and no-profit tv broadcasters.
Awaiting for your news. All the bestest.
EmanueleQuoted 180 lines · "[email protected]" wrote:
Here's the link for the Canadian program:
http://cfs.ic.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=en&id=6
As far as meeting in London, I don't know what your timetable is, but mine isn't 100% definite yet. I am very committed to accetping the invitation to bring Inner Peace to Rwanda. Since I have no idea how involved things will be there I'm going with an openended return. So, I need to have my projects here well functioning enough to continue in my absence if I am gone for a long time. That may mean I would have to delay my trip to Rwanda a bit and not be able to meet you in London in mid July.
Feel free to email me offist if you want to discuss anything in detail that the list might not want to bother with.
I forgot who started this thread, but my hat goes off to whoever did. It has breathed new life into ELKS. This is an exciting project and I'd love to see it get to a stable and usable level.
Yours in peace,
Jerry
Quoted 153 lines · Emanuele Galloni
It sounds really good to me and I can see a lot of material for a good story. We at Lulop are thinking about opensource too for our videopusher software that we use for videonews distribution to broadcasters, so this has a double importance for us.
Going back to Canada, can you tell me more about this program? What is the name of the organisation who is managing this?
By the way, I am looking forward to meet you in London and speak more deeply about this issue so we can put a nice piece altogheter.
Bestest.
EmanueleQuoted 127 lines · "[email protected]" wrote:
Here's what I've found out from discussions with computer recyclers around the world. (Canada, BTW, has one of the most well developed computer recycling programs.) The resourcful ones have plenty of demand for pentiums, 486's, and even 386's, and put most of the ones they can salvage back into use. They even use 286's for word processing machines and are pretty much matched with supply and demand.
They have some use for 8086's for some science applications, but they have more supply than demand. If they had applications for the 8086's, they would love to put them to good use.
Even when they recycle the parts for scrap metal and keep them out of landfills, that's still a poor utilization of the resource compared to keeping them functioning as intact computers. As insignificant as these computers seem by today's standards, they are so far above having no computer, particularly with the right applications.
The value to society of keeping these computers doing something of value is huge. When you add the value of keeping them out of landfills it gets much bigger. With the billions of dollars companies are sinking into open source and the potential liability exposure manufactures like IBM, HP, and even Dell will face from the environmental hazards of these old computers in landfills, both the actual and PR value of supporting a program like ELKS is a no brainer. We just need to present this to the right people who do the funding for open source.
If anybody has the right connections to get some financial support for ELKS from some of the sources that are already funding open source, please get this info before them. Compared to what's being spent elsewhere, we're really talking small change and huge return on investment.
I'm planning to visit Red Hat in the next few weeks before I head for Rwanda. They probably don't have the funding themselves but should be well connected to those who do. I'm hoping to inspire them to put some support into this. Hopefully that will get the funders to throw some small change behind ELKS and get this project to a stable, functioning level.
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Thank you Jerry,
I did get it and it seams good.
The fact that you are going to Rwanda makes it even better. One of the things I was working on is the following:
Originally, some of you guys were saying that ELKS, since it can run on any pc, from an 8088 to a Pentium IV, could
be a very useful in developing countries where old computers are much more common that the newest ones.
Is there anybody who can give me some infos about this side of ELKS? Many thanks.
Emanuele"[email protected]" wrote:
We're not in London, we're in the Smokey Mountains of Asheville NC US.
But we could do an email interview.
I don't know what your schedule is, but I'm headed to Rwanda in July with the Inner Peace work. If it's real important to do something in person, I might be able to route myself that way and do a layover.
I just did a post with a little info about what we're doing. If you didn't get it, let me know.
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Hello guys,
I am still trying to give to ELKS some sort of media resonance.. Iwould like
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to video- interview somebody about it and shoot some computers and
palmtops
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running it. I am based in London (UK) from were I cover things for
Lulop.com.
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If anybody is still interested and is not too far from here, please,
let me
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know.
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In the new site we will have the status of the project, as well as
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TODO list and docs, this site is intended to be available in
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If you need web space, I'll happily provide some.
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Regarding the project it self, the last commit was indeed several
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ago, i am trying to organize my time to get back into all this.
That's okay, I just thought it may have been abandoned altogether! I
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may get round to finished my xmodem and compression programs then...
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I'll give you my take on it: I suppose the U.S. it probably the worst place to use as an example because you can probably get a good Pentium for free :) Anyway, I recently bought *another* IBM PC, in good working condition, with a 30 meg MFM drive added, for $1, and decided I'd get *another* IBM green mono monitor, so I spent another $1. In other words, the only difficulty I've had finding working hardware is that most people have gotten rid of it years ago. I made an ELKS boot and root disk and it booted up with no problem, and works great. I made another disks with a terminal emulator on it, and had problems getting it working right. I can fool with all the usual UNIX commands, but that isn't very exciting, and I don't know of any other good aplication.
Dan
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Thank you Jerry,
I did get it and it seams good.
The fact that you are going to Rwanda makes it even better. One of the things I was working on is the following:
Originally, some of you guys were saying that ELKS, since it can run on any pc, from an 8088 to a Pentium IV, could
be a very useful in developing countries where old computers are much more common that the newest ones.
Is there anybody who can give me some infos about this side of ELKS? Many thanks.
Emanuele"[email protected]" wrote:
We're not in London, we're in the Smokey Mountains of Asheville NC US.
But we could do an email interview.
I don't know what your schedule is, but I'm headed to Rwanda in July with the Inner Peace work. If it's real important to do something in person, I might be able to route myself that way and do a layover.
I just did a post with a little info about what we're doing. If you didn't get it, let me know.
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Hello guys,
I am still trying to give to ELKS some sort of media resonance.. Iwould like
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to video- interview somebody about it and shoot some computers and
palmtops
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running it. I am based in London (UK) from were I cover things for
Lulop.com.
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If anybody is still interested and is not too far from here, please,
let me
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know.
EmanueleQuoted 7 lines
Quoted 4 lines · Richard Wallman
Quoted 1 line · Miguel Bolanos
In the new site we will have the status of the project, as well as
the
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TODO list and docs, this site is intended to be available in
several
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languages.
If you need web space, I'll happily provide some.
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Regarding the project it self, the last commit was indeed several
months
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ago, i am trying to organize my time to get back into all this.
That's okay, I just thought it may have been abandoned altogether! I
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may get round to finished my xmodem and compression programs then...
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http://www.murkygoth.uklinux.net/elks-
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