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OT Ricardo Galli 5 participants 6 messages Jun 23, 2003 – Jun 24, 2003

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Forgive me if I don't mix your theories into my practice.

Take it the other way around:

Forgive if other people don't want to mix _your_ practices in theirs.

Not everyone wants a "giant software company", not everyone wants to compete againts the big players, not everyone wants to have employees or earn insane amounts of money. Furthermore, "giant software houses" are not going to save the world.

Lot of people think that a free BK _will_ be created sooner or later if it's needed, with or without Larry McVoy. In the same way TeX was created, or TCP/IP, or DNS, or smtp, or http/html... all of them were disruptive, very innovative, free and without any big company or lot of money to do "the real innovation".

BTW, for some people, ReiserFS is quite innovative, it comes from a small company doing services, it's free, and it seems that Hans is reasonably happy :-)

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Forgive me if I don't mix your theories into my practice.

Take it the other way around:

Forgive if other people don't want to mix _your_ practices in theirs.

Not everyone wants a "giant software company", not everyone wants to compete againts the big players, not everyone wants to have employees or earn insane amounts of money. Furthermore, "giant software houses" are not going to save the world.

Lot of people think that a free BK _will_ be created sooner or later if it's needed, with or without Larry McVoy. In the same way TeX was created, or TCP/IP, or DNS, or smtp, or http/html... all of them were disruptive, very innovative, free and without any big company or lot of money to do "the real innovation".

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BTW, for some people, ReiserFS is quite innovative, it comes from a small company doing services, it's free, and it seems that Hans is reasonably happy :-)

And these examples show that free software can "parasite" on something else than large company doing a lot of R&D. Government is not exactly a easy host to kill. :-)

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Nikita.

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Forgive me if I don't mix your theories into my practice.

Take it the other way around:

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Forgive if other people don't want to mix _your_ practices in theirs.

Not everyone wants a "giant software company", not everyone wants to compete againts the big players, not everyone wants to have employees or earn insane amounts of money. Furthermore, "giant software houses" are not going to save the world.

Lot of people think that a free BK _will_ be created sooner or later if it's needed, with or without Larry McVoy. In the same way TeX was created, or TCP/IP, or DNS, or smtp, or http/html... all of them were disruptive, very innovative, free and without any big company or lot of money to do "the real innovation".

BTW, for some people, ReiserFS is quite innovative, it comes from a small company doing services, it's free, and it seems that Hans is reasonably happy :-)

Umh, I would not mind something coming along to help me make it past October when my cash runs out. Being able to afford a house is too much to ask but making payroll would be nice.... Government money has done a lot to keep me from going bankrupt.

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Umh, I would not mind something coming along to help me make it past October when my cash runs out. Being able to afford a house is too much to ask but making payroll would be nice.... Government money has done a lot to keep me from going bankrupt.

May I suggest whacking an icon up with "Donate to ReiserFS" up there?

Samba and GNOME are two projects which do this and at least get a bit of funding for it. Check out the samba one, tridge says it does okay with the updating list of who's donated money - makes it into a bit of a fun game for donators :)

You've probably already got the credit card processing infrastructure around, so it could be minimal effort - with only possible gain.

I'm sure happy reiser users would be willing to chuck a couple of bucks your way to ensure further development.

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Hans -
Here's a thought to chew on. I _value_ your software and use it extensively (along with other linux software). Out of necessity I painfully roll my own Debian distro/kernel and flinch _every_ time I use apt to update my boxes (wondering if some damn PAM module is going to hose me). Anyway, the point is, I build video servers that I sell for a profit - it is how I make my living. I am also aware that in reality I am making a living off of the backs of you (ala reiserfs) and others like you. The reason that I use linux is not because its free, but because it takes much less time to develop and maintain my video applications under linux than windows, because I can remotely service and maintain the boxes that I sell, and because linux has proven to be more reliable than the windows os that I used to base my product on. You see, the price is not the issue, its features, performance, and reliability are. So, consider this: YOU roll a DEB-REISER distribution targeted toward system builders such as me, that more smoothly incorporates reisefs than does the woody cd's (and a lot less generic), and then support the reiser-related issues, and I will happily pay you $100 per machine. It is well worth it to me to keep you in business (not that my volume alone would do it, but I am sure that there are a lot of others like me). Don't worry about putting in a licensing agent - honesty really works here. I used to base my product on RedHat and I purchased a copy of the OS for every box I sold - not that a customer would ever look under the hood or even read the docs, but it was my way of supporting the suppliers. I don't use RedHat now because I can't keep up with their release-to-release changes, and I need a distro more turned toward enterprise servers. The point is, I am not alone.

Just a thought.

Joe

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Quoted 4 lines · Hans Reiser

Umh, I would not mind something coming along to help me make it past October when my cash runs out. Being able to afford a house is too much to ask but making payroll would be nice.... Government money has done a lot to keep me from going bankrupt.

May I suggest whacking an icon up with "Donate to ReiserFS" up there?

Samba and GNOME are two projects which do this and at least get a bit of funding for it. Check out the samba one, tridge says it does okay with the updating list of who's donated money - makes it into a bit of a fun game for donators :)

You've probably already got the credit card processing infrastructure around, so it could be minimal effort - with only possible gain.

I'm sure happy reiser users would be willing to chuck a couple of bucks your way to ensure further development.

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Vice President, Linux Australia
http://www.linux.org.au (personal: http://www.flamingspork.com)
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That's a very generous offer. Green, what would be required to do what he asks?

Hans

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Hans - Here's a thought to chew on. I _value_ your software and use it extensively (along with other linux software). Out of necessity I painfully roll my own Debian distro/kernel and flinch _every_ time I use apt to update my boxes (wondering if some damn PAM module is going to hose me). Anyway, the point is, I build video servers that I sell for a profit - it is how I make my living. I am also aware that in reality I am making a living off of the backs of you (ala reiserfs) and others like you. The reason that I use linux is not because its free, but because it takes much less time to develop and maintain my video applications under linux than windows, because I can remotely service and maintain the boxes that I sell, and because linux has proven to be more reliable than the windows os that I used to base my product on. You see, the price is not the issue, its features, performance, and reliability are. So, consider this: YOU roll a DEB-REISER distribution targeted toward system builders such as me, that more smoothly incorporates reisefs than does the woody cd's (and a lot less generic), and then support the reiser-related issues, and I will happily pay you $100 per machine. It is well worth it to me to keep you in business (not that my volume alone would do it, but I am sure that there are a lot of others like me). Don't worry about putting in a licensing agent - honesty really works here. I used to base my product on RedHat and I purchased a copy of the OS for every box I sold - not that a customer would ever look under the hood or even read the docs, but it was my way of supporting the suppliers. I don't use RedHat now because I can't keep up with their release-to-release changes, and I need a distro more turned toward enterprise servers. The point is, I am not alone.

Just a thought.

Joe

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Quoted 6 lines · Hans Reiser

Umh, I would not mind something coming along to help me make it past October when my cash runs out. Being able to afford a house is too much to ask but making payroll would be nice.... Government money has done a lot to keep me from going bankrupt.

May I suggest whacking an icon up with "Donate to ReiserFS" up there?

Samba and GNOME are two projects which do this and at least get a bit of funding for it. Check out the samba one, tridge says it does okay with the updating list of who's donated money - makes it into a bit of a fun game for donators :)

You've probably already got the credit card processing infrastructure around, so it could be minimal effort - with only possible gain.

I'm sure happy reiser users would be willing to chuck a couple of bucks your way to ensure further development.

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Stewart Smith
Vice President, Linux Australia
http://www.linux.org.au (personal: http://www.flamingspork.com)
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