Convers Setup
Hello all,
In an effort to get prepared for digital ARES traffic handling, I'm going to try running a digital net. I'm looking to add a convers server to my prototype node. So far, I've found the following pieces of software:
saupp
wampes
tpp-conversd
tnn
pp-conversd
htpp
htppu
webconvers
Has anyone run any of these convers servers before? Have you been on convers chats before where you could actually tell what server software you were connecting to? Were any of the above "really good"? or "really bad"?
My only option so far is to work my way through them one by one until I find one that works well.
Hoping to shortcut this.
Also, is there a central site with general info about how convers works, what it is, who came up with it, etc? That would really help.
Thanks,
Dave
VA3BHF
Quoted 7 lines · On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:19:57 -0400 Dave Stubbs <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello all,
In an effort to get prepared for digital ARES traffic handling, I'm going to try running a digital net. I'm looking to add a convers server to my prototype node. So far, I've found the following pieces of software:
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saupp
wampes
tpp-conversd
tnn
pp-conversd
htpp
htppu
webconvers
I'm using conversd-saupp. It seems to be me newer, has irc support, and some ax25 support too.
For ax25 user connection, you could use axconv, which hangs on ax25d, and connects to conversd via tcp/ip.
Speaking of Converse Servers, mine came back on line a few days ago. The TACOMA Convers Server is available at 66.80.67.210, port 3600, for anyone interested. I am running HTPP on a SuSE v9.0 Linux box.
73,
Gary, W7NTF
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Quoted 3 lines · On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:19:57 -0400 Dave Stubbs <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello all,
In an effort to get prepared for digital ARES
traffic handling, I'm
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going to try running a digital net. I'm looking
to add a convers
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server to my prototype node. So far, I've found
the following pieces
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of software:
saupp
wampes
tpp-conversd
tnn
pp-conversd
htpp
htppu
webconversI'm using conversd-saupp. It seems to be me newer, has irc support, and
some ax25 support too.
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For ax25 user connection, you could use axconv, which hangs on ax25d,
and connects to conversd via tcp/ip.
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Dave,
As far as i know, the SAUPP is the one to choose. It still has support and changes from time to time. No real bugs are in in the software, and rockstable.
Best regards,
ron
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Hello all,
In an effort to get prepared for digital ARES traffic handling, I'm going to try running a digital net. I'm looking to add a convers server to my prototype node. So far, I've found the following pieces of software:
saupp
wampes
tpp-conversd
tnn
pp-conversd
htpp
htppu
webconversHas anyone run any of these convers servers before? Have you been on convers chats before where you could actually tell what server software you were connecting to? Were any of the above "really good"? or "really bad"?
My only option so far is to work my way through them one by one until I find one that works well.
Hoping to shortcut this.
Also, is there a central site with general info about how convers works, what it is, who came up with it, etc? That would really help.
Thanks,
Dave
VA3BHF
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Has anyone run any of these convers servers before? Have you been on convers chats before where you could actually tell what server software you were connecting to? Were any of the above "really good"? or "really bad"?
I have run htpp. It's prone to occasional segfaults. My users have mostly been lightweight types, and have connected via ax.25, rather than IP. Other than the segfaults, I've not had problems with it.
That said, you might consider using an IRC server instead of a convers server. There's a fair amount of commonality; in many user communities, there'll be more experience with IRC than convers. IRC servers are typically far more heavily (ab)used and thus much more resistant to abuse. If you need to provide service to ax.25 callers, it should be possible to use ax25d+shims to provide client service using something like the text-mode sirc client.
Dennis Boone
KB8ZQZ
I'm looking to *primarily* service AX.25 callers, since this is for ARES use.
Interesting - the coversd-saupp download links are all broken...
Dave
VA3BHF
Quoted 25 lines · Dennis Boone
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Has anyone run any of these convers servers before? Have you been on convers chats before where you could actually tell what server software you were connecting to? Were any of the above "really good"? or "really bad"?
I have run htpp. It's prone to occasional segfaults. My users have mostly been lightweight types, and have connected via ax.25, rather than IP. Other than the segfaults, I've not had problems with it.
That said, you might consider using an IRC server instead of a convers server. There's a fair amount of commonality; in many user communities, there'll be more experience with IRC than convers. IRC servers are typically far more heavily (ab)used and thus much more resistant to abuse. If you need to provide service to ax.25 callers, it should be possible to use ax25d+shims to provide client service using something like the text-mode sirc client.
Dennis Boone
KB8ZQZ
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Quoted 2 lines · On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:29:19 -0400 Dave Stubbs <[email protected]> wrote:
I'm looking to *primarily* service AX.25 callers, since this is for ARES use.
conversd-saupp can accept ax25 connections by itself, but you need to loguin with/n your_call. I've setup it listening only on port 3600 tcp, and ax25 connections are handled by ax25d and axconv, which connects to de conversd on tcp/ip, logs you automatically, and even can issue some commands like a /w after connection, all automatically.
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Interesting - the coversd-saupp download links are all broken...
If you still can't download it, I can send it to you.
conversd-saupp.tar.gz 260610 bytes
axconv.c.gz 2563 bytes
Hi,
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saupp
wampes
tpp-conversd
tnn
pp-conversd
htpp
htppu
webconvers
as far as I remember, Dieter Deyke DK5?? wrote the first implementation for WAMPES, also the first networking version. ppconvers split off and version 3.12 was integrated into TNN (and later XNet). There was also a port for PC/FlexNet (on DOS). At some point, tppconvers was split off ppconvers and was released in conjunction with TNOS. Even later, htppconvers (?by Tomi Manninen OH2BNS?) was made from tppconvers. Some patches may have made it back into ppconvers with the release of 3.13 (kernel-AX25 support, limited loop detection w/ backup links etc.). All improvements of these versions were bundled by Thomas Osterried, DL9SAU into sauppconvers. He is actively maintaining it, has removed a lot of bugs (race conditions etc.) and added some nice extras (improved logging, easier/more flexible link setup, access control, IRC mode).
From the saupp readme:
browseable CVS:
http://x-berg.in-berlin.de/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ampr/conversd-saupp/
http download:
http://x-berg.in-berlin.de/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ampr/conversd-saupp/conversd-saupp.tar.gz?tarball=1
anon rsync:
rsync -auvz --delete rsync://x-berg.in-berlin.de/cvs/ampr/conversd-saupp .
anon cvspserver:
export CVSROOT=:pserver:[email protected]:/var/cvs
cvs -z6 checkout ampr/conversd-saupp
73, Robert DL1NC/N9KBK
Quoted 6 lines · On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Robert [iso-8859-1] Steinhäußer wrote:
as far as I remember, Dieter Deyke DK5?? wrote the first implementation for WAMPES, also the first networking version. ppconvers split off and version 3.12 was integrated into TNN (and later XNet). There was also a port for PC/FlexNet (on DOS). At some point, tppconvers was split off ppconvers and was released in conjunction with TNOS. Even later, htppconvers (?by Tomi Manninen OH2BNS?) was made from tppconvers.
No, HTPP was done by Hessu OH7LZB, although I had some part in it too. It's still available at http://he.fi/, but I guess saupp would be the way to go nowadays (I haven't tested it).
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Hello all,
In an effort to get prepared for digital ARES traffic handling, I'm going to try running a digital net. I'm looking to add a convers server to my prototype node. So far, I've found the following pieces of software:
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saupp
wampes
tpp-conversd
tnn
pp-conversd
htpp
htppu
webconvers
Webconvers is not a convers server as such - it is the interface 'glue' that allows access to an existing convers server via the web using a browser.
The latest version is 2.1beta2 which has a channel display to simplify the moving between channels and operating on multiple channels.
I'm looking for feedback on use and translations are still required - I know that its being used in non-English environments but nobody has sent me any language files :-((
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