Why should we teach students Linux??
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Hello listers,
I'm tutor on the Faculty ICT, department NID. This is a bachelor degree and we are preparing our students to become something more then just System Administrators (such as manager, consulting, etc....). Since this department is part of the Microsoft camp, the students are educated mostly in this direction, which I think is not a bad thing. A better thing would be if we could give our students the opportunity to meat both the systems on the same level, at least, that is my opinion.
To change a curriculum of a study, I need a solid case. So if somebody knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in company's.
I hope you will all take some time to send me your best links/documents.
with best regards
Roel Bindels
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knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in company's.
To know your enemy?
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knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in company's.
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please, ....'strong case' ....;)
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knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in company's.
To know your enemy?
please, ....'strong case' ....;)
Watching the interesting replies I can only add that education is
about teaching individuals to THINK... Some Linux distributions do that; M$ never has and never will.. (I must admit though; that M$ encourages honing our cuss words.. :^)..
Best of luck.
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knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in company's.
This is a completely meaningless question until we know what kind of students. Elementary computer science? Operating system design? Software business and marketing? Anthropology (like the recent survey here)? Elementary school? High school? Undergraduate? Post-graduate? -
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Well, I don't think it's meaningless, actually, it's quite serious and important. M$ windows has dominated the OS market for long, and they still do. The worst thing is, they keep their little secret in a black box.
To kids in school, they have to know a world beyond M$ empire. It's an open society that people can learn, share, and talk freely. To CS students in college, they have to learn Operating System. Linux (or say, UNIX-family) as an open box is a great material.
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In my original post I explained this:
I'm tutor on the Faculty ICT, department NID. This is a bachelor degree and we are preparing our students to become something more then just System Administrators (such as manager, consulting, etc....).
(NID stands for Network Infrastructure Design.)
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How about instruction on how linux can be configured as a router or firewall or invisible proxy...various network tasks?
Can also run various inexpensive network server functions:
samba(cifs/smb), squid(reduce network traffic or as accelerator for websites)...tons of usages in a network. It's an all purpose
"swiss army knife". You can examine the various network layers,
support for various networked file systems. How can you setup a small departmental cifs/smb/nfs and printer server with linux? How about recreating "Google?" Don't they use linux to create their portal/indexing? How to create a high-performance computing cluster on your network?
Is that the type of stuff you are looking for?
-linda
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knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in company's.
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In my original post I explained this:
I'm tutor on the Faculty ICT, department NID. This is a bachelor degree and we are preparing our students to become something more then just System Administrators (such as manager, consulting, etc....).(NID stands for Network Infrastructure Design.)
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Quoted 10 lines · Roel Bindels
Hello listers,
I'm tutor on the Faculty ICT, department NID. This is a bachelor degree and we are preparing our students to become something more then just System Administrators (such as manager, consulting, etc....). Since this department is part of the Microsoft camp, the students are educated mostly in this direction, which I think is not a bad thing. A better thing would be if we could give our students the opportunity to meat both the systems on the same level, at least, that is my opinion.
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To change a curriculum of a study, I need a solid case. So if somebody knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in company's.
Don't so-called educational institutions always push diversity?
Linux is based on Unix, the same source that Microsoft went to to get most of its ideas (although they have never figured out security) since purchasing a CP/M port to Intel chips from Seattle Computer, the first manifestations being the hierarchical file system in DOS 2.0.
Adding Linux to the curriculum could provide students with background in secure, multi-user systems, and a development model based on integrating small components into useful systems in contrast to Windows which never has implemented effective security, and tends towards huge monolithic programs which are difficult to maintain and debug.
Linux also provides the source code so interested students have the ability to really understand what's going on under the hood. When I started using Xenix in 1982 (a Microsoft port of Unix to the Radio Shack Model 16), I learned a lot by examining system scripts to see how things were done.
One of the major differences between folks competent in Linux and Unix and Windows ``experts'' is that the *nix people usually start by trying to analyse and fix problems while MCSEs only know the Three R's of Windows, Reboot, Reboot, Reinstall.
Bill
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On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 09:14 -0800, Bill Campbell wrote:
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One of the major differences between folks competent in Linux and Unix and Windows ``experts'' is that the *nix people usually start by trying to analyse and fix problems while MCSEs only know the Three R's of Windows, Reboot, Reboot, Reinstall.
Hmm, I was an MCSE ( expired already ) and I would like to correct you :
those three R's are : Reboot, Register, and Reinstall. You do not have to reboot twice :)
Vu
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One of the major differences between folks competent in Linux and Unix and Windows ``experts'' is that the *nix people usually start by trying to analyse and fix problems while MCSEs only know the Three R's of Windows, Reboot, Reboot, Reinstall.
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Hmm, I was an MCSE ( expired already ) and I would like to correct you :
those three R's are : Reboot, Register, and Reinstall. You do not have to reboot twice :)Vu
Ok, but don't you guys have some fact I can build a case with?? I don't think that my college's will take me serious if I come with this store, even it is true ;)
Quoted 3 lines · Roel Bindels
Ok, but don't you guys have some fact I can build a case with?? I don't think that my college's will take me serious if I come with this store, even it is true ;)
You are crossposting far too widely to some wildly inappropriate lists for this subject. Try to find an advocacy group, or a local user group. They can be of more help in this.
Quoted 14 lines · Roel Bindels
Hello listers,
I'm tutor on the Faculty ICT, department NID. This is a bachelor degree and we are preparing our students to become something more then just System Administrators (such as manager, consulting, etc....). Since this department is part of the Microsoft camp, the students are educated mostly in this direction, which I think is not a bad thing. A better thing would be if we could give our students the opportunity to meat both the systems on the same level, at least, that is my opinion.
To change a curriculum of a study, I need a solid case. So if somebody knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in company's.
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I hope you will all take some time to send me your best links/documents.
with best regards
Roel Bindels
Roel,
I recently interviewed Richard Weideman (who I am adding to the CC so he can comment directly) for an article about Edubuntu. One of the comments he made was:
"Kids who learn to use a computer from scratch are not afraid of Linux or OpenOffice.org. They concentrate on the learning task at hand, and they learn to use whatever the tool is put in front of them. If some of those kids graduate to a work environment using Linux or OpenOffice.org, they will have no problem. If the new work environment uses Windows, they will adjust without any issues. Some of them will even propose OpenOffice.org or Linux at work, and help their new company to migrate and save money."
You can read the full article at
http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/20/197251
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