Allow console input to be disabled
PATCH 1/1 Allow console input to be disabled
Added CONFIG_SILENT_CONSOLE_INPUT define.
When used (in conjunction with CONFIG_SILENT_CONSOLE) it disables all console input.
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common/console.c | 10 ++++++++++ 1 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
common/console.c +10 -0
@@ -162,6 +162,11 @@ void fprintf (int file, const char *fmt, ...)int getc (void ) { +#if defined(CONFIG_SILENT_CONSOLE ) && defined(CONFIG_SILENT_CONSOLE_INPUT ) +if (gd->flags &GD_FLG_SILENT ) +return 0 ; +#endif +if (gd->flags &GD_FLG_DEVINIT ) {/* Get from the standard input */ return fgetc (stdin);
@@ -173,6 +178,11 @@ int getc (void)int tstc (void ) { +#if defined(CONFIG_SILENT_CONSOLE ) && defined(CONFIG_SILENT_CONSOLE_INPUT ) +if (gd->flags &GD_FLG_SILENT ) +return 0 ; +#endif +if (gd->flags &GD_FLG_DEVINIT ) {/* Test the standard input */ return ftstc (stdin);
PATCH 1/1 Allow console input to be disabled
Quoted 3 lines · Mark Jackson
Added
CONFIG_SILENT_CONSOLE_INPUTdefine.When used (in conjunction with
CONFIG_SILENT_CONSOLE) it disables all console input.
Does anyone have an opinion about this? I think it's a nice thing to have.
Although you should probably update README as well, explaining what this define means.
Haavard
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Hi Haavard,
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Quoted 3 lines · Mark Jackson
Added
CONFIG_SILENT_CONSOLE_INPUTdefine.When used (in conjunction with
CONFIG_SILENT_CONSOLE) it disables all console input.Does anyone have an opinion about this? I think it's a nice thing to have.
Hm, defining this and then "setenv silent=1;saveenv;reset" and we have lost any chance to access u-boot command line? This looks pretty dangerous to me, so I do not particularly like it.
What is the original motivation to skip the input?
Cheers
Detlev
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Quoted 9 lines · Detlev Zundel
Hi Haavard,
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Added
CONFIG_SILENT_CONSOLE_INPUTdefine.When used (in conjunction with
CONFIG_SILENT_CONSOLE) it disables all console input.Does anyone have an opinion about this? I think it's a nice thing to have.
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Hm, defining this and then "setenv silent=1;saveenv;reset" and we have lost any chance to access u-boot command line? This looks pretty dangerous to me, so I do not particularly like it.
What is the original motivation to skip the input?
Cheers
Detlev
Dual-use of a serial port: Mark originally asked about dynamically inhibiting u-boot's use of the serial port for normal use, but allowing u-boot to use it for development/debug, selected by a jumper:
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.boot-loaders.u-boot/44640>
Hardware starved software development. :-/
For completeness, the gmane thread for the patch is here:
<http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.boot-loaders.u-boot/44788>
For what it is worth, I'm with Haavard - it seems useful. WRT the dangerous part - it's intended use is for debug, so presumably it will be the developer that locks himself out of the console and will have the tools to break back in. From that POV, it isn't any more dangerous than all the other ways a user/developer can brick a board (starting with erasing flash ;-).
Best regards,
gvb
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Dear Jerry Van Baren,
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For what it is worth, I'm with Haavard - it seems useful. WRT the dangerous part - it's intended use is for debug, so presumably it will
It may be intended for debug, but it's available there without warning for the end user.
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be the developer that locks himself out of the console and will have the tools to break back in. From that POV, it isn't any more dangerous than all the other ways a user/developer can brick a board (starting with erasing flash ;-).
I think this one is a bit nastier. It's like this rope hanging out of a black box labeled "silencer". The label doesn't mention that it goes "KABOOOOM!" first, before there is a big silence (and a cloud of dust and a pile of debris).
Best regards,
Wolfgang Denk
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Quoted 8 lines · Wolfgang Denk
Dear Jerry Van Baren,
Quoted 2 lines · In message <[email protected]> you wrote:
For what it is worth, I'm with Haavard - it seems useful. WRT the dangerous part - it's intended use is for debug, so presumably it will
It may be intended for debug, but it's available there without warning for the end user.
Is there some "warning" mechanism I should use ?
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be the developer that locks himself out of the console and will have the tools to break back in. From that POV, it isn't any more dangerous than all the other ways a user/developer can brick a board (starting with erasing flash ;-).
I think this one is a bit nastier. It's like this rope hanging out of a black box labeled "silencer". The label doesn't mention that it goes "KABOOOOM!" first, before there is a big silence (and a cloud of dust and a pile of debris).
I agree that it could all go very wrong, but it was a quick and easy way for me to implement that particular feature.
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to achieve the same outcome in a less "hoist by your own petard" way ?
Mark
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In reply to Wolfgang DenkQuoted 9 lines · Wolfgang Denk
Dear Jerry Van Baren,
Quoted 3 lines · In message <[email protected]> you wrote:
For what it is worth, I'm with Haavard - it seems useful. WRT the dangerous part - it's intended use is for debug, so presumably it will
It may be intended for debug, but it's available there without warning for the end user.
Hang on...end users can compile custom versions of u-boot now? And we're somehow responsible for stopping them from bricking their boards when they go and enable options they don't understand?
How about CONFIG_SKIP_LOW_LEVEL_INIT then? That's _certainly_ dangerous if you don't know what you're doing.
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be the developer that locks himself out of the console and will have the tools to break back in. From that POV, it isn't any more dangerous than all the other ways a user/developer can brick a board (starting with erasing flash ;-).
I think this one is a bit nastier. It's like this rope hanging out of a black box labeled "silencer". The label doesn't mention that it goes "KABOOOOM!" first, before there is a big silence (and a cloud of dust and a pile of debris).
The board will most likely still boot, so the "end user" can use other tools to fix the breakage.
Then again, maybe this thing deserves its own environment variable? "disable_input" or something?
It certainly deserves to be mentioned in README, as I noted before.
Haavard
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Dear Haavard Skinnemoen,
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It may be intended for debug, but it's available there without warning for the end user.
Hang on...end users can compile custom versions of u-boot now? And
Actually yes, they can. This is what GPL software is all about:
enabling end users to do exactly that.
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we're somehow responsible for stopping them from bricking their boards when they go and enable options they don't understand?
No, we aren't. But that was not the statement.
The problem is the same when the vendor (or whoever is responsible for setting this option) eneables this feature in a version that will ship to the end user.
And that was the intention of the patch, if I understand it correctly?
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The board will most likely still boot, so the "end user" can use other tools to fix the breakage.
How should he, now that console access is disabled?
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Then again, maybe this thing deserves its own environment variable? "
disable_input" or something?
And how would you then enable it again? Without being able to input anything?
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It certainly deserves to be mentioned in README, as I noted before.
The more we discuss about this, the more I tend to simply reject it.
Best regards,
Wolfgang Denk
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Dear Haavard,
Quoted 5 lines · In message <[email protected]> I wrote:
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The board will most likely still boot, so the "end user" can use other tools to fix the breakage.
How should he, now that console access is disabled?
Just to give you an example how we handle this in other places:
A similar dangerous operation is changing the console baudrate - if you set it to something your teminal cannot handle you have the same problem. U-Boot tries to prevent this, as it enforces you to actually input something at the new baudrate.
Best regards,
Wolfgang Denk
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In reply to Wolfgang DenkQuoted 11 lines · Wolfgang Denk
Dear Haavard Skinnemoen,
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It may be intended for debug, but it's available there without warning for the end user.
Hang on...end users can compile custom versions of u-boot now? And
Actually yes, they can. This is what GPL software is all about:
enabling end users to do exactly that.
But if it breaks, they get to keep both pieces.
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we're somehow responsible for stopping them from bricking their boards when they go and enable options they don't understand?
No, we aren't. But that was not the statement.
The problem is the same when the vendor (or whoever is responsible for setting this option) eneables this feature in a version that will ship to the end user.
And that was the intention of the patch, if I understand it correctly?
The intention is to allow boards to use a single serial port for two
purposes: Communicating with some other device (which will get really confused if u-boot interferes) and as a debug port. The user/developer must have a way to switch between the two roles, and if the first role is selected, u-boot must stay the hell away from the serial port.
The user will be able to switch between the two by means of an on-board jumper, so if he needs to interact with u-boot, he can simply flip the jumper and hook up a PC.
But I guess there's another side-effect from this patch which is somewhat more nasty: The user can _also_ disable the debug port by simply setting an environment variable. That might be a bad idea, and probably not even necessary for Mark's purposes.
So how about introducing a new flag, e.g. GD_FLG_DISABLE_CONSOLE, and use that instead? If set, it will disable both input and output, while GD_FLG_SILENT will just disable console output.
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The board will most likely still boot, so the "end user" can use other tools to fix the breakage.
How should he, now that console access is disabled?
Access the flash directly from Linux?
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Then again, maybe this thing deserves its own environment variable? "
disable_input" or something?And how would you then enable it again? Without being able to input anything?
Ok, maybe controlling this via an environment variable is a bad idea.
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It certainly deserves to be mentioned in README, as I noted before.
The more we discuss about this, the more I tend to simply reject it.
We still need a solution to Mark's problem though.
Haavard
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Dear Haavard Skinnemoen,
Quoted 6 lines · In message <[email protected]> you wrote:
The intention is to allow boards to use a single serial port for two
purposes: Communicating with some other device (which will get really confused if u-boot interferes) and as a debug port. The user/developer must have a way to switch between the two roles, and if the first role is selected, u-boot must stay the hell away from the serial port.
I understand this. But then, the "silencing" should be done based on the jumper setting ONLY, without any environment variable setting.
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The user will be able to switch between the two by means of an on-board jumper, so if he needs to interact with u-boot, he can simply flip the jumper and hook up a PC.
If the user typed "setenv silent=1;saveenv;reset" then hooking up a PC will not help at all because he still has a "silent" board.
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But I guess there's another side-effect from this patch which is somewhat more nasty: The user can _also_ disable the debug port by simply setting an environment variable. That might be a bad idea, and probably not even necessary for Mark's purposes.
Now you get it. That's what the whole discussion is about. See Detlev's posting that started it.
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So how about introducing a new flag, e.g.
GD_FLG_DISABLE_CONSOLE, and use that instead? If set, it will disable both input and output, whileGD_FLG_SILENTwill just disable console output.
Sounds much better to me.
Best regards,
Wolfgang Denk
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But I guess there's another side-effect from this patch which is somewhat more nasty: The user can _also_ disable the debug port by simply setting an environment variable. That might be a bad idea, and probably not even necessary for Mark's purposes.
Now you get it. That's what the whole discussion is about. See Detlev's posting that started it.
Right. I was only thinking about the original purpose of the patch and forgot that the environment variable wasn't really a necessary part of the solution.
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So how about introducing a new flag, e.g.
GD_FLG_DISABLE_CONSOLE, and use that instead? If set, it will disable both input and output, whileGD_FLG_SILENTwill just disable console output.Sounds much better to me.
Ok, great. Mark, does this sound good to you?
Haavard
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Quoted 7 lines · Haavard Skinnemoen
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So how about introducing a new flag, e.g.
GD_FLG_DISABLE_CONSOLE, and use that instead? If set, it will disable both input and output, whileGD_FLG_SILENTwill just disable console output.Sounds much better to me.
Ok, great. Mark, does this sound good to you?
Sounds fine. I didn't mean to cause this much of a "debate" !!
I'll rework in the new flag, and report back.
Thanks
Mark
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Quoted 10 lines · Mark Jackson
Quoted 7 lines · Haavard Skinnemoen
Quoted 4 lines · Wolfgang Denk
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So how about introducing a new flag, e.g.
GD_FLG_DISABLE_CONSOLE, and use that instead? If set, it will disable both input and output, whileGD_FLG_SILENTwill just disable console output.Sounds much better to me.
Ok, great. Mark, does this sound good to you?
Sounds fine. I didn't mean to cause this much of a "debate" !!
If we end up with something everyone's happy with, I'd say the peer review process worked as intended :-)
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I'll rework in the new flag, and report back.
Thanks.
Haavard