PCB design.
I have a PCB design package (Debian GNU/Linux package pcb ) which I have been playing with.
Please can you tell me are there any other guys out there who have experience of this ?
73
Geoff Bagley
G3FHL
Hi,
I use the freeware version of Eagle that's running on Linux, Windows and MacOS (http://www.cadsoftusa.com/freeware.htm.en) There is a schematic editor and a layout editor with autorouting included. The limit is two layers and a size of 4x3.2 inches for the layout tool and only one sheet at the schematic editor.
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Am Samstag, den 21.03.2009, 08:10 +0000 schrieb Geoff Bagley:
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I have a PCB design package (Debian GNU/Linux package pcb ) which I
have been playing with.Please can you tell me are there any other guys out there who have experience of this ?
73
Geoff Bagley
G3FHL
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Quoted 6 lines · Geoff Bagley
I have a PCB design package (Debian GNU/Linux package pcb ) which I have
been playing with.Please can you tell me are there any other guys out there who have experience of this ?
I have used it for 1 board. It works well. The situation with part libraries and footprints is complex. If you want to do your own no problem.
For simple projects it is hard to beat expresspcb. Their tool runs OK for me with wine.
Don - W7DMR
Re: PCB design. W7DMR DE G3FHL =
Hi Don,
Many thanks for your information.
Can you please tell me just how difficult it is to overcome the "complex" part of the pcb package.
I much prefer to use the Debian package - I have an aversion to proprietary software even using wine.
I wonder which GNU/Linux distro you use ?
I started off with SuSE way back about 1999, but switched to Debian when "Woody" became stable. I now use "Lenny".
Please can you give me a "steer" to get started with pcb ? If I can get started, I can build upon a modest start.
I am not attempting an ambitious PCB - I guess it ought to be possible to get pcb working.
I think I only need 8DIL sockets and a few resistors/capacitors to lay out a high gain LF amplifier using OP07 chips.
Thanks to everyone for allowing me to hijack the list !
73 to all
Geoff Bagley
G3FHL
Quoted 21 lines · don
Quoted 4 lines · Geoff Bagley
I have a PCB design package (Debian GNU/Linux package pcb ) which I have been playing with.
Please can you tell me are there any other guys out there who have experience of this ?
I have used it for 1 board. It works well. The situation with part libraries and footprints is complex. If you want to do your own no problem.
For simple projects it is hard to beat expresspcb. Their tool runs OK for me with wine.
Don - W7DMR
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Re: PCB design. W7DMR DE G3FHL =
Quoted 5 lines · Geoff Bagley
Hi Don,
Many thanks for your information.
Can you please tell me just how difficult it is to overcome the "complex" part of the pcb package.
You will need about 20 completed designs.
That is time you will need with _any_ decent software to become sufficiently proficient to be able to enter design as schematics, and then to layout bits
on PCB. Or to be able to tell what is wrong with the thing.
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I much prefer to use the Debian package - I have an aversion to proprietary software even using wine.
I wonder which GNU/Linux distro you use ?
I started off with SuSE way back about 1999, but switched to Debian when "Woody" became stable.
I now use "Lenny".Please can you give me a "steer" to get started with pcb ? If I can get started, I can build upon a modest start.
Personally I do like the CADSoft's Eagle. Its free version has limitations of:
- single schematic design sheet (albeit a very large one!)
- 100x80 mm PCB, 2 layers
- no autorouter
Its pre-existing component library is quite sufficient for your needs, and adding new ones is fairly easy -- again the magic "20 attempts help you to master the thing"
Lack of autorouter is no hindrance. I have seen nowhere an autorouter which I would really like (at _any_ price), but certain versions of interactive push & shove editing systems would be dandy (except that they are patented ideas...)
Indeed I have Eagle's full commercial version, and I do not use autorouter at all.
I have used the large PCB layout area to combine multiple small designs from 6 designers to single large combined one for manufacturing. Resulting board was something like 250 x 380 mm and contained a dozen boads. (File pre-processing cost was 25 euros per file, doing self-combine cut that cost down considerably...)
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I am not attempting an ambitious PCB - I guess it ought to be possible to get pcb working.
I think I only need 8DIL sockets and a few resistors/capacitors to lay out a high gain LF amplifier using OP07 chips.
The freeware Eagle will do it for you, then.
Do the tutorial excercises at first to get a feel of the thing, and then you should be able to do the real designs.
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Thanks to everyone for allowing me to hijack the list !
73 to all
Geoff Bagley
G3FHL
73 de Matti, OH2MQK
Re: PCB design. W7DMR DE G3FHL =
In reply to Geoff BagleyQuoted 5 lines · Geoff Bagley
Hi Don,
Many thanks for your information.
Can you please tell me just how difficult it is to overcome the "complex" part of the pcb package.
The problem is the variety of part libraries for gschem, and part footprints for PCB. Different users have different preferences. So you will find many different and not always compatible sets.
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I much prefer to use the Debian package - I have an aversion to proprietary software even using wine.
I wonder which GNU/Linux distro you use ?
I use Gentoo and Ubuntu at home and Red Hat at work.
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Don
Re: PCB design. W7DMR DE G3FHL =
In reply to Geoff BagleyHi Geoff,
If you haven't started your project yet then take a look at KiCd. I am not sure if it is in a Debian repository, but if not it is easy to download and install.
Kicad is a full schematic capture and layout program. If you take a look you will see that the features are quite impressive and not just limited to PCB artwork. In addition it is Free and Cross Platform.
Executive summary here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kicad
Home page here:
http://kicad.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
73,
Andrew
ZL3AME
Quoted 75 lines · Geoff Bagley
Hi Don,
Many thanks for your information.
Can you please tell me just how difficult it is to overcome the "complex" part of the pcb package.I much prefer to use the Debian package - I have an aversion to proprietary software even using wine.
I wonder which GNU/Linux distro you use ?
I started off with SuSE way back about 1999, but switched to Debian when "Woody" became stable. I now use "Lenny".
Please can you give me a "steer" to get started with pcb ? If I can get started, I can build upon a modest start.
I am not attempting an ambitious PCB - I guess it ought to be possible to get pcb working.
I think I only need 8DIL sockets and a few resistors/capacitors to lay out a high gain LF amplifier using OP07 chips.
Thanks to everyone for allowing me to hijack the list !
73 to all
Geoff Bagley
G3FHL
Quoted 15 lines · don
Quoted 7 lines · Geoff Bagley
I have a PCB design package (Debian GNU/Linux package pcb ) which
I have
been playing with.Please can you tell me are there any other guys out there who have experience of this ?
I have used it for 1 board. It works well. The situation with part libraries and footprints is complex. If you want to do your own no problem.
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For simple projects it is hard to beat expresspcb. Their tool runs OK for me with wine.
Don - W7DMR
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Re: PCB design. W7DMR DE G3FHL =
Thanks Andrew,
I have just downloaded it from Debian and will give it a try ! Thanks to all for help.
73
Geoff G3FHL
Quoted 21 lines · Andrew Errington
Hi Geoff,
If you haven't started your project yet then take a look at KiCd. I am not sure if it is in a Debian repository, but if not it is easy to download and install.
Kicad is a full schematic capture and layout program. If you take a look you will see that the features are quite impressive and not just limited to PCB artwork. In addition it is Free and Cross Platform.
Executive summary here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KicadHome page here:
http://kicad.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page73,
Andrew
ZL3AME