[Fwd: HPPA and Squeeze]
FYI - Helge
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Subject: HPPA and Squeeze
Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:39:10 +0000 (UTC)
Resent-From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:07:35 +0100
From: Neil McGovern <[email protected]>
To: HPPA porters <[email protected]>
CC: [email protected]
Hi,
As mentioned previously[0], the release team haven't been happy with the state of the HPPA port in Debian. After the release team meeting[1], it has been decided that unfortunatly HPPA will not be supported for Squeeze. This was after careful consideration, and wasn't an easy decision.
This means that ftpmasters will be asked to remove HPPA from testing and unstable from the 30th June. It is suggested that HPPA porters may wish to consider using debian-ports.org if they wish to continue with the port.
Regards,
Neil McGovern
[0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2009/04/msg00299.html
[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2009/05/msg00080.html
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I have to say this is sad but not expected. It not really possible to support an architecture without the support of its manufacturer. HP hasn't provide any PA-RISC support beyond a few test machines for a few years.
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From what I read on the debian list, the decision was the result of an
unstable kernel (build infrastructure) and the lack of a functional java port (gcj is considered inadequate and broken). It was taken even though Carlos has submitted the patches to transition to NPTL in glibc 2.10. The links in Neil McGovern message don't provide the actual rational.
Software is always buggy to some extent. In the the past, when debian developers reported problems/bugs to the relevant lists, the problems have generally been resolved. I haven't seen this happening to the same extent recently. So, it's not surprising to me that debian ports are being lost.
As a user of Squeeze, I haven't experienced any major problems. Thus, I am disappointed that it is going to be removed for HPPA.
Dave
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FYI - Helge
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: HPPA and Squeeze
Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:39:10 +0000 (UTC)
Resent-From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:07:35 +0100
From: Neil McGovern <[email protected]>
To: HPPA porters <[email protected]>
CC: [email protected]Hi,
As mentioned previously[0], the release team haven't been happy with the state of the HPPA port in Debian. After the release team meeting[1], it has been decided that unfortunatly HPPA will not be supported for Squeeze. This was after careful consideration, and wasn't an easy decision.
This means that ftpmasters will be asked to remove HPPA from testing and unstable from the 30th June. It is suggested that HPPA porters may wish to consider using debian-ports.org if they wish to continue with the port.
Regards,
Neil McGovern[0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2009/04/msg00299.html
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J. David Anglin [email protected] National Research Council of Canada (613) 990-0752 (FAX: 952-6602)
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The links in Neil McGovern message don't provide the actual rational.
Having noticed that myself, I've sent a reply asking for clarification. We'll see what comes out.
Cheers,
T-Bone
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Thibaut VARENE http://www.parisc-linux.org/~varenet/
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As mentioned previously[0], the release team haven't been happy with the state of the HPPA port in Debian. After the release team meeting[1], it has been decided that unfortunatly HPPA will not be supported for Squeeze. This was after careful consideration, and wasn't an easy decision.
The GCC project deprecates unsupported targets for one release prior to removal. This gives maintainers and interested users fair warning, and considerable time to address the support issues before removal.
Shouldn't Debian be doing something similar?
Dave
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J. David Anglin [email protected] National Research Council of Canada (613) 990-0752 (FAX: 952-6602)