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Quoted 4 lines · Niccolò Belli

Is someone still interested to bring LARTC to a new life? I'm sorry for the subscription but the list didn't work anymore and it was unfeasible to CC 30+ addresses. Let me know if you want to unsubscribe and you don't know how to.

Thanks for doing this Niccolo. However, I'd rather see it hosted at vger.kernel.org for all the reasons previously outlined.

I was actually going to suggest a new list called net-users instead. There is netdev, netfilter-devel and netfilter, but not a general networking users list.

User questions do get asked on netdev, and some non-netfilter questions get asked on the netfilter list, but it would seem sensible to have a general networking users list that would include LARTC questions.

Comments anyone?

Andy

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Quoted 13 lines · Andrew Beverley
Quoted 4 lines · Niccolò Belli

Is someone still interested to bring LARTC to a new life? I'm sorry for the subscription but the list didn't work anymore and it was unfeasible to CC 30+ addresses. Let me know if you want to unsubscribe and you don't know how to.

Thanks for doing this Niccolo. However, I'd rather see it hosted at vger.kernel.org for all the reasons previously outlined.

I was actually going to suggest a new list called net-users instead. There is netdev, netfilter-devel and netfilter, but not a general networking users list.

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User questions do get asked on netdev, and some non-netfilter questions get asked on the netfilter list, but it would seem sensible to have a general networking users list that would include LARTC questions.

Comments anyone?

Might as well just go to netfilter for now, it's not like as if the traffic was as much as linux-kernel.

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Quoted 15 lines · Jan Engelhardt
Quoted 13 lines · Andrew Beverley
Quoted 4 lines · Niccolò Belli

Is someone still interested to bring LARTC to a new life? I'm sorry for the subscription but the list didn't work anymore and it was unfeasible to CC 30+ addresses. Let me know if you want to unsubscribe and you don't know how to.

Thanks for doing this Niccolo. However, I'd rather see it hosted at vger.kernel.org for all the reasons previously outlined.

I was actually going to suggest a new list called net-users instead. There is netdev, netfilter-devel and netfilter, but not a general networking users list.

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User questions do get asked on netdev, and some non-netfilter questions get asked on the netfilter list, but it would seem sensible to have a general networking users list that would include LARTC questions.

Comments anyone?

Might as well just go to netfilter for now, it's not like as if the traffic was as much as linux-kernel.

Yep, may as well, they seem to be posted there anyway. I was just conscious that there doesn't appear to be many "tc" experts, because those sort of questions don't get much of a response.

I'd love to spend some time on some tc documentation one day...

Andy

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Quoted 20 lines · Andrew Beverley
Quoted 19 lines · Jan Engelhardt
Quoted 17 lines · Andrew Beverley
Quoted 4 lines · Niccolò Belli

Is someone still interested to bring LARTC to a new life? I'm sorry for the subscription but the list didn't work anymore and it was unfeasible to CC 30+ addresses. Let me know if you want to unsubscribe and you don't know how to.

Thanks for doing this Niccolo. However, I'd rather see it hosted at vger.kernel.org for all the reasons previously outlined.

I was actually going to suggest a new list called net-users instead. There is netdev, netfilter-devel and netfilter, but not a general networking users list.

User questions do get asked on netdev, and some non-netfilter questions get asked on the netfilter list, but it would seem sensible to have a general networking users list that would include LARTC questions.

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Comments anyone?

Might as well just go to netfilter for now, it's not like as if the traffic was as much as linux-kernel.

Yep, may as well, they seem to be posted there anyway. I was just conscious that there doesn't appear to be many "tc" experts, because those sort of questions don't get much of a response.

I would be interested in seeing a resurrected 'tc' list aimed more at users/sysadmins than developers.

There has been a lot of mostly theoretical discussion about aqms and the like on the bloat and bloat-devel lists, but when it comes down to something that will actually work, not so much...

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I'd love to spend some time on some tc documentation one day...

The tc documentation is littered with less than useful examples, when they do exist, which is not often enough, and much of the public documentation is old or hard to understand.

and I'd be glad to help get all that sorted out.

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I think we should just create a new list called "LARTC", on vger.kernel.org, hosted on my own servers or wherever you want. The most important thing is trying to keep alive the community around it.

Niccolò

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Quoted 6 lines · Andrew Beverley
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Might as well just go to netfilter for now, it's not like as if the traffic was as much as linux-kernel.

[...] I was just conscious that there doesn't appear to be many "tc" experts.

Talk about blackboxes.

tc is like the selinux of networking.

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Il 14/11/2011 12:16, João Almeida ha scritto:

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lartc.org <http://lartc.org> should be updated with decent docs as well...

Do we have access to lartc.org? Because if we have access we can even keep (and fix) the original mailing list, or at least dump the addresses database... Otherwise we will have to make a completely new site too.

Niccolò
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In reply to Andrew Beverley
Quoted 6 lines · Andrew Beverley
Quoted 4 lines · Niccolò Belli

Is someone still interested to bring LARTC to a new life? I'm sorry for the subscription but the list didn't work anymore and it was unfeasible to CC 30+ addresses. Let me know if you want to unsubscribe and you don't know how to.

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Thanks for doing this Niccolo. However, I'd rather see it hosted at vger.kernel.org for all the reasons previously outlined.

I was actually going to suggest a new list called net-users instead. There is netdev, netfilter-devel and netfilter, but not a general networking users list.

Isn't that what [email protected] is/was supposed to be about? Not sure what's its status, it's no longer listed on
http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html, the last message I've received on it was a month ago and it was mostly spam before that.

-Ben

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Quoted 7 lines · Benjamin Poirier
Quoted 6 lines · Andrew Beverley
Quoted 4 lines · Niccolò Belli

Is someone still interested to bring LARTC to a new life? I'm sorry for the subscription but the list didn't work anymore and it was unfeasible to CC 30+ addresses. Let me know if you want to unsubscribe and you don't know how to.

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Thanks for doing this Niccolo. However, I'd rather see it hosted at vger.kernel.org for all the reasons previously outlined.

I was actually going to suggest a new list called net-users instead. There is netdev, netfilter-devel and netfilter, but not a general networking users list.

Isn't that what [email protected] is/was supposed to be about?

Hmmm, hadn't even come across that before.

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Not sure what's its status, it's no longer listed on
http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html, the last message I've received on it was a month ago and it was mostly spam before that.

Maybe not much interest for a users' list then...

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Quoted 17 lines · Andrew Beverley
Quoted 7 lines · Benjamin Poirier
Quoted 6 lines · Andrew Beverley
Quoted 4 lines · Niccolò Belli

Is someone still interested to bring LARTC to a new life? I'm sorry for the subscription but the list didn't work anymore and it was unfeasible to CC 30+ addresses. Let me know if you want to unsubscribe and you don't know how to.

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Thanks for doing this Niccolo. However, I'd rather see it hosted at vger.kernel.org for all the reasons previously outlined.

I was actually going to suggest a new list called net-users instead. There is netdev, netfilter-devel and netfilter, but not a general networking users list.

Isn't that what [email protected] is/was supposed to be about?

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Hmmm, hadn't even come across that before.

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Not sure what's its status, it's no longer listed on
http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html, the last message I've received on it was a month ago and it was mostly spam before that.

Maybe not much interest for a users' list then...

I suggested to David to delete the linux-net list because it had very low (legitimate) traffic and the people who could answer questions were mostly subscribed only to netdev. And since he agreed, it's gone.

Ben.

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