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xattr support in NFS?

DISCUSSION Tomasz Chmielewski 4 participants 9 messages Nov 12, 2012 – Nov 15, 2012 2 messages not in the archive

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#0 lore raw

Does Linux support xattr in NFS?

IF tries using it in both NFS3 and NFS4 under Debian Lenny (2.6.32, both server and client), without success.

# setfattr -n user.comment -v "this is a comment" /mnt/nfs
setfattr: /mnt/nfs: Operation not supported
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#2 lore raw

Can you restate reasoning why it will never do so, and whether this is the same as saying it will never implement named attributes?

Thanks,

Matt

Quoted 29 lines · ----- "Trond Myklebust

No. We will never support xattrs over NFS.

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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: xattr support in NFS?

Does Linux support xattr in NFS?

IF tries using it in both NFS3 and NFS4 under Debian Lenny (2.6.32,

both

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server and client), without success.

# setfattr -n user.comment -v "this is a comment" /mnt/nfs
setfattr: /mnt/nfs: Operation not supported

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#4 lore raw
In reply to Matt W. Benjamin

A few years ago, SGI tried to promote "NFS3 XATTR", an extension to NFSv3 to add xattr support. It roughly added 3 functions to the protocol (GETXATTR, SETXATTR, LISTXATTR), in a similar way as what 9p.2000L does. Nothing but IRIX had this NFSv3 feature. As far as I know, it remained quite exotic and stayed a SGI's thing.

Philippe

Quoted 49 lines · Matt W. Benjamin

Can you restate reasoning why it will never do so, and whether this is the same as saying it will never implement named attributes?

Thanks,

Matt

Quoted 38 lines · ----- "Trond Myklebust

No. We will never support xattrs over NFS.

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:linux-nfs- [email protected]] On Behalf Of Tomasz Chmielewski
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:14 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: xattr support in NFS?

Does Linux support xattr in NFS?

IF tries using it in both NFS3 and NFS4 under Debian Lenny (2.6.32,

both

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server and client), without success.

# setfattr -n user.comment -v "this is a comment" /mnt/nfs
setfattr: /mnt/nfs: Operation not supported
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#7 lore raw

Actually, that reasoning sounds a little like a concession that the feature should be blocked precisely because it may be tremendously popular (useful). I don't think the argument that proplists can be the building blocks for new system--but also application--functionality is a good argument against them.

Quoted 131 lines · ----- "Trond Myklebust
Quoted 3 lines · Tigran Mkrtchyan

That's bad news.... Currently we use 'magic files' to set/get user
specific metadata like number of events, space reservation and
different file retention policies. The hope was that all could be

done

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with named attributes.

Tigran.

The setting and querying of retention policies is already covered in the
NFSv4.1 protocol without any need for any additions. Space reservation
is already covered in NFSv4.2 (as are security labels - another common
hobby-horse for xattr advocates). Why don't you implement those instead
of wishing for a completely different way of doing the same thing?

Your argument demonstrates precisely why we should never do xattrs over
NFS. It makes it way too easy to go off and invent your own private and
non-standard protocol for doing ioctl()-like RPC calls.

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On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:54 AM, DENIEL Philippe <[email protected]> wrote:
A few years ago, SGI tried to promote "NFS3 XATTR", an extension to NFSv3 to add xattr support. It roughly added 3 functions to the protocol (GETXATTR, SETXATTR, LISTXATTR),

in

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a similar way as what 9p.2000L does. Nothing but IRIX had

this

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NFSv3 feature. As far as I know, it remained quite exotic

and

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stayed a SGI's thing.

Philippe

Matt W. Benjamin a écrit :

Can you restate reasoning why it will never do so,

and

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whether this is the same as saying it will never implement named attributes?

Thanks,

Matt

----- "Trond Myklebust"

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wrote:

No. We will never support xattrs over NFS.

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[mailto:linux-nfs- [email protected]] On Behalf Of Tomasz Chmielewski
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012

10:14

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AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: xattr support in NFS?

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Does Linux support xattr in NFS?

IF tries using it in both NFS3 and NFS4 under Debian Lenny (2.6.32,

both

server and client), without

success.

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                                # setfattr -n user.comment -v "this

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a comment" /mnt/nfs
setfattr: /mnt/nfs: Operation not supported

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