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DISCUSSION Nikolay Borisov 2 participants 5 messages Oct 9, 2015 – Oct 14, 2015 Memory management

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Hello mm people,

I want to ask you the following question which stemmed from analysing and chasing this particular deadlock:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/2056730

To summarise it:

For simplicity I will use the following nomenclature:
t1 - kworker/u96:0
t2 - kworker/u98:39
t3 - kworker/u98:7

t1 issues drain_all_pages which generates IPI's, at the same time however, t2 has already started doing async write of pages as part of its normal operation but is blocked upon t1 completion of its IPI (generated from drain_all_pages) since they both work on the same dm-thin volume. At the same time again, t3 is executing ext4_finish_bio, which disables interrupts, yet is dependent on t2 completing its writes. But since it has disabled interrupts, it wont respond to t1's IPI and at this point a hard lock up occurs. This happens, since drain_all_pages calls on_each_cpu_mask with the last argument equal to "true" meaning "wait until the ipi handler has finished", which of course will never happen in the described situation.

Based on that I was wondering whether avoiding such situation might merit making drain_all_pages invocation from __alloc_pages_direct_reclaim dependent on a particular GFP being passed e.g. GFP_NOPCPDRAIN or something along those lines?

Alternatively would it be possible to make the IPI asycnrhonous e.g. calling on_each_cpu_mask with the last argument equal to false?

Regards,
Nikolay

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Quoted 7 lines · Nikolay Borisov

Hello mm people,

I want to ask you the following question which stemmed from analysing and chasing this particular deadlock:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/2056730

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To summarise it:

For simplicity I will use the following nomenclature:
t1 - kworker/u96:0
t2 - kworker/u98:39
t3 - kworker/u98:7

Could you be more specific about the trace of all three parties? I am not sure I am completely following your description. Thanks!

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Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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Quoted 10 lines · Michal Hocko
Quoted 9 lines · Nikolay Borisov

Hello mm people,

I want to ask you the following question which stemmed from analysing and chasing this particular deadlock:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/2056730

To summarise it:

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For simplicity I will use the following nomenclature:
t1 - kworker/u96:0
t2 - kworker/u98:39
t3 - kworker/u98:7

Could you be more specific about the trace of all three parties? I am not sure I am completely following your description. Thanks!

Hi,

Maybe you'd want to check this thread:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/2056996

Essentially, in the beginning I thought the problem could be in the memory manager but after discussing with Jan Kara I thought the problem doesn't like in the memory manager.

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Quoted 6 lines · Nikolay Borisov

Hello mm people,

I want to ask you the following question which stemmed from analysing and chasing this particular deadlock:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/2056730

This link doesn't seem to work properly for me. Could you post a
http://lkml.kernel.org/r/$msg_id link please?

Quoted 9 lines

To summarise it:

For simplicity I will use the following nomenclature:
t1 - kworker/u96:0
t2 - kworker/u98:39
t3 - kworker/u98:7

t1 issues drain_all_pages which generates IPI's, at the same time however,

OK, as per
http://lkml.kernel.org/r/1444318308-27560-1-git-send-email-kernel%40kyup.com
drain_all_pages is called from the __alloc_pages_nodemask called from slab allocator. There is no stack leading to the allocation but then you are saying

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t2 has already started doing async write of pages
as part of its normal operation but is blocked upon t1 completion of its IPI (generated from drain_all_pages) since they both work on the same dm-thin volume.

which I read as the allocator is holding the same dm_bufio_lock, right?

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At the same time again, t3 is executing ext4_finish_bio, which disables interrupts, yet is dependent on t2 completing its writes.

That would be a bug on its own because ext4_finish_bio seems to be called from SoftIRQ context so it cannot wait for a regular scheduling context. Whoever is holding that lock BH_Uptodate_Lock has to be in (soft)IRQ context.

<found the original thread on linux-mm finally - the threading got broken on the way>
http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20151013131453.GA1332%40quack.suse.cz

So Jack (CCed) thinks this is a non-atomic update of flags and that indeed sounds plausible.

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But since it has disabled interrupts, it wont
respond to t1's IPI and at this point a hard lock up occurs. This happens, since drain_all_pages calls on_each_cpu_mask with the last argument equal to "true" meaning "wait until the ipi handler has finished", which of course will never happen in the described situation.

Based on that I was wondering whether avoiding such situation might merit making drain_all_pages invocation from __alloc_pages_direct_reclaim dependent on a particular GFP being passed e.g. GFP_NOPCPDRAIN or something along those lines?

I do not think so. Even if the dependency was real it would be a clear deadlock even without drain_all_pages AFAICS.

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Alternatively would it be possible to make the IPI asycnrhonous e.g. calling on_each_cpu_mask with the last argument equal to false?

Strictly speaking the allocation path doesn't really depend on the sync behavior. We are just trying to release pages on pcp lists and retry the allocation. Even if the allocation context was faster than other CPUs and fail the request then we would try again without triggering the OOM because the reclaim has apparently made some progress.

Other callers might be more sensitive. Anyway this is called only if the allocator issues a sleeping allocation request so I think that waiting here is perfectly acceptable.

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Quoted 73 lines · Michal Hocko
Quoted 6 lines · Nikolay Borisov

Hello mm people,

I want to ask you the following question which stemmed from analysing and chasing this particular deadlock:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/2056730

This link doesn't seem to work properly for me. Could you post a
http://lkml.kernel.org/r/$msg_id link please?

Quoted 9 lines

To summarise it:

For simplicity I will use the following nomenclature:
t1 - kworker/u96:0
t2 - kworker/u98:39
t3 - kworker/u98:7

t1 issues drain_all_pages which generates IPI's, at the same time however,

OK, as per
http://lkml.kernel.org/r/1444318308-27560-1-git-send-email-kernel%40kyup.com
drain_all_pages is called from the __alloc_pages_nodemask called from slab allocator. There is no stack leading to the allocation but then you are saying

Quoted 4 lines

t2 has already started doing async write of pages
as part of its normal operation but is blocked upon t1 completion of its IPI (generated from drain_all_pages) since they both work on the same dm-thin volume.

which I read as the allocator is holding the same dm_bufio_lock, right?

Quoted 3 lines

At the same time again, t3 is executing ext4_finish_bio, which disables interrupts, yet is dependent on t2 completing its writes.

That would be a bug on its own because ext4_finish_bio seems to be called from SoftIRQ context so it cannot wait for a regular scheduling context. Whoever is holding that lock BH_Uptodate_Lock has to be in (soft)IRQ context.

<found the original thread on linux-mm finally - the threading got broken on the way>
http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20151013131453.GA1332%40quack.suse.cz

So Jack (CCed) thinks this is a non-atomic update of flags and that indeed sounds plausible.

Quoted 10 lines

But since it has disabled interrupts, it wont
respond to t1's IPI and at this point a hard lock up occurs. This happens, since drain_all_pages calls on_each_cpu_mask with the last argument equal to "true" meaning "wait until the ipi handler has finished", which of course will never happen in the described situation.

Based on that I was wondering whether avoiding such situation might merit making drain_all_pages invocation from __alloc_pages_direct_reclaim dependent on a particular GFP being passed e.g. GFP_NOPCPDRAIN or something along those lines?

I do not think so. Even if the dependency was real it would be a clear deadlock even without drain_all_pages AFAICS.

Quoted 2 lines

Alternatively would it be possible to make the IPI asycnrhonous e.g. calling on_each_cpu_mask with the last argument equal to false?

Strictly speaking the allocation path doesn't really depend on the sync behavior. We are just trying to release pages on pcp lists and retry the allocation. Even if the allocation context was faster than other CPUs and fail the request then we would try again without triggering the OOM because the reclaim has apparently made some progress.

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Other callers might be more sensitive. Anyway this is called only if the allocator issues a sleeping allocation request so I think that waiting here is perfectly acceptable.

Thanks for taking the time to look over the issue. Indeed, I guess I have been misled as to who the real culprit is, though the call traces seemed to make the issue apparent. But kernel land seems to be a lot more subtle :)

In any case I will test with Jack's patch and hopefully report that everything is okay.

Nikolay

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