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Hi Mark,

recently Heiko reported to us a performance regression with Atmel SPI controllers. He noticed the issue on a sam9g15ek board and I was also able to reproduce it on a sama5d36ek board.

We found out that the performance regression was introduced in 3.14 by commit:
8090d6d1a415d3ae1a7208995decfab8f60f4f36
spi: atmel: Refactor spi-atmel to use SPI framework queue

For the test, I connected a Spansion S25FL512 memory on the SPI1 controller of a sama5d36ek board. Then with an oscilloscope I monitored the chip-select, clock and MOSI signals on the SPI bus.

1 - Reading 512 bytes from the memory

# dd if=/dev/mtd6 bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/null

With the oscilloscope, I measured the time between the chip-select fell before the Read Status command (05h) and the chip-select rose after all data had been read by the 4-byte address Fast Read 1-1-1 command (13h).

3.14 vanilla : 305 ?s
3.14 commit 8090d6d1a415 reverted : 242 ?s -21%

2 - Reading 1000 x 1024 bytes from the memory

# dd if=/dev/mtd6 bs=1024 count=1000 of=/dev/null

Still with the scope, I measured the time to read all data.

3.14 vanilla : 435 ms
3.14 commit 8090d6d1a415 reverted : 361 ms -17%

Indeed the oscilloscope shows that more time is spent between messages and transfers.

commit 8090d6d1a415 replaced the tasklet used to manage a SPI message/transfer queue by a workqueue provided by the SPI framework.

The support of this (optional) workqueue was introduced by commit:
ffbbdd21329f3e15eeca6df2d4bc11c04d9d91c0
spi: create a message queuing infrastructure

Though the commit message claims that is common infrastructure is optional, the patch also claims the .transfer() hook is deprecated, suggesting drivers should implement the new .transfer_one_message() hook instead.

This is the reason why commit 8090d6d1a415 was submitted. However we lost quite amount of performances moving from our tasklet to the generic workqueue.

So do you recommend us to keep our current generic implementation relying on the SPI framework workqueue or to go back to a custom implementation using tasklet?
If we keep the current implementation, is there a way to improve the performances so we go back to something close to what he had before?

We saw in commit ffbbdd21329f that we can change the workqueue thread scheduling policy to SCHED_FIFO by setting master->rt.

Best regards,

Cyrille

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Quoted 53 lines · Cyrille Pitchen

Hi Mark,

recently Heiko reported to us a performance regression with Atmel SPI controllers. He noticed the issue on a sam9g15ek board and I was also able to reproduce it on a sama5d36ek board.

We found out that the performance regression was introduced in 3.14 by commit:
8090d6d1a415d3ae1a7208995decfab8f60f4f36
spi: atmel: Refactor spi-atmel to use SPI framework queue

For the test, I connected a Spansion S25FL512 memory on the SPI1 controller of a sama5d36ek board. Then with an oscilloscope I monitored the chip-select, clock and MOSI signals on the SPI bus.

1 - Reading 512 bytes from the memory

# dd if=/dev/mtd6 bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/null

With the oscilloscope, I measured the time between the chip-select fell before the Read Status command (05h) and the chip-select rose after all data had been read by the 4-byte address Fast Read 1-1-1 command (13h).

3.14 vanilla : 305 ?s
3.14 commit 8090d6d1a415 reverted : 242 ?s -21%

2 - Reading 1000 x 1024 bytes from the memory

# dd if=/dev/mtd6 bs=1024 count=1000 of=/dev/null

Still with the scope, I measured the time to read all data.

3.14 vanilla : 435 ms
3.14 commit 8090d6d1a415 reverted : 361 ms -17%

Indeed the oscilloscope shows that more time is spent between messages and transfers.

commit 8090d6d1a415 replaced the tasklet used to manage a SPI message/transfer queue by a workqueue provided by the SPI framework.

The support of this (optional) workqueue was introduced by commit:
ffbbdd21329f3e15eeca6df2d4bc11c04d9d91c0
spi: create a message queuing infrastructure

Though the commit message claims that is common infrastructure is optional, the patch also claims the .transfer() hook is deprecated, suggesting drivers should implement the new .transfer_one_message() hook instead.

This is the reason why commit 8090d6d1a415 was submitted. However we lost quite amount of performances moving from our tasklet to the generic workqueue.

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So do you recommend us to keep our current generic implementation relying on the SPI framework workqueue or to go back to a custom implementation using tasklet?
If we keep the current implementation, is there a way to improve the performances so we go back to something close to what he had before?

We saw in commit ffbbdd21329f that we can change the workqueue thread scheduling policy to SCHED_FIFO by setting master->rt.

master->rt is not a good choice as i know and
you may find thread [1] useful for you.

[1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-rt-users/msg14347.html

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-grygorii
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Hi Grygorii,

Le 06/07/2016 12:03, Grygorii Strashko a ?crit :

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Hi Mark,

recently Heiko reported to us a performance regression with Atmel SPI controllers. He noticed the issue on a sam9g15ek board and I was also able to reproduce it on a sama5d36ek board.

We found out that the performance regression was introduced in 3.14 by commit:
8090d6d1a415d3ae1a7208995decfab8f60f4f36
spi: atmel: Refactor spi-atmel to use SPI framework queue

For the test, I connected a Spansion S25FL512 memory on the SPI1 controller of a sama5d36ek board. Then with an oscilloscope I monitored the chip-select, clock and MOSI signals on the SPI bus.

1 - Reading 512 bytes from the memory

# dd if=/dev/mtd6 bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/null

With the oscilloscope, I measured the time between the chip-select fell before the Read Status command (05h) and the chip-select rose after all data had been read by the 4-byte address Fast Read 1-1-1 command (13h).

3.14 vanilla : 305 ?s
3.14 commit 8090d6d1a415 reverted : 242 ?s -21%

2 - Reading 1000 x 1024 bytes from the memory

# dd if=/dev/mtd6 bs=1024 count=1000 of=/dev/null

Still with the scope, I measured the time to read all data.

3.14 vanilla : 435 ms
3.14 commit 8090d6d1a415 reverted : 361 ms -17%

Indeed the oscilloscope shows that more time is spent between messages and transfers.

commit 8090d6d1a415 replaced the tasklet used to manage a SPI message/transfer queue by a workqueue provided by the SPI framework.

The support of this (optional) workqueue was introduced by commit:
ffbbdd21329f3e15eeca6df2d4bc11c04d9d91c0
spi: create a message queuing infrastructure

Though the commit message claims that is common infrastructure is optional, the patch also claims the .transfer() hook is deprecated, suggesting drivers should implement the new .transfer_one_message() hook instead.

This is the reason why commit 8090d6d1a415 was submitted. However we lost quite amount of performances moving from our tasklet to the generic workqueue.

So do you recommend us to keep our current generic implementation relying on the SPI framework workqueue or to go back to a custom implementation using tasklet?
If we keep the current implementation, is there a way to improve the performances so we go back to something close to what he had before?

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We saw in commit ffbbdd21329f that we can change the workqueue thread scheduling policy to SCHED_FIFO by setting master->rt.

master->rt is not a good choice as i know and
you may find thread [1] useful for you.

[1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-rt-users/msg14347.html

thanks for the link, I'll look at it :)

Best regards,

Cyrille

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Hello Cyrille,

sorry for the late answer, but just back from holidays ...

Am 07.07.2016 um 10:12 schrieb Cyrille Pitchen:

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Hi Grygorii,

Le 06/07/2016 12:03, Grygorii Strashko a ?crit :

Quoted 39 lines · Cyrille Pitchen
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Hi Mark,

recently Heiko reported to us a performance regression with Atmel SPI controllers. He noticed the issue on a sam9g15ek board and I was also able to reproduce it on a sama5d36ek board.

We found out that the performance regression was introduced in 3.14 by commit:
8090d6d1a415d3ae1a7208995decfab8f60f4f36
spi: atmel: Refactor spi-atmel to use SPI framework queue

For the test, I connected a Spansion S25FL512 memory on the SPI1 controller of a sama5d36ek board. Then with an oscilloscope I monitored the chip-select, clock and MOSI signals on the SPI bus.

1 - Reading 512 bytes from the memory

# dd if=/dev/mtd6 bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/null

With the oscilloscope, I measured the time between the chip-select fell before the Read Status command (05h) and the chip-select rose after all data had been read by the 4-byte address Fast Read 1-1-1 command (13h).

3.14 vanilla : 305 ?s
3.14 commit 8090d6d1a415 reverted : 242 ?s -21%

2 - Reading 1000 x 1024 bytes from the memory

# dd if=/dev/mtd6 bs=1024 count=1000 of=/dev/null

Still with the scope, I measured the time to read all data.

3.14 vanilla : 435 ms
3.14 commit 8090d6d1a415 reverted : 361 ms -17%

Indeed the oscilloscope shows that more time is spent between messages and transfers.

Yes this fits with my observations.

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commit 8090d6d1a415 replaced the tasklet used to manage a SPI message/transfer queue by a workqueue provided by the SPI framework.

The support of this (optional) workqueue was introduced by commit:
ffbbdd21329f3e15eeca6df2d4bc11c04d9d91c0
spi: create a message queuing infrastructure

Though the commit message claims that is common infrastructure is optional, the patch also claims the .transfer() hook is deprecated, suggesting drivers should implement the new .transfer_one_message() hook instead.

This is the reason why commit 8090d6d1a415 was submitted. However we lost quite amount of performances moving from our tasklet to the generic workqueue.

So do you recommend us to keep our current generic implementation relying on the SPI framework workqueue or to go back to a custom implementation using tasklet?
If we keep the current implementation, is there a way to improve the performances so we go back to something close to what he had before?

We saw in commit ffbbdd21329f that we can change the workqueue thread scheduling policy to SCHED_FIFO by setting master->rt.

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master->rt is not a good choice as i know and
you may find thread [1] useful for you.

[1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-rt-users/msg14347.html

thanks for the link, I'll look at it :)

Thanks for digging into this issue and your tests!

Do you have some new results? Can I help you?

bye,
Heiko

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Hi Heiko,

Le 25/07/2016 ? 06:51, Heiko Schocher a ?crit :

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Hello Cyrille,

sorry for the late answer, but just back from holidays ...

Am 07.07.2016 um 10:12 schrieb Cyrille Pitchen:

Quoted 42 lines

Hi Grygorii,

Le 06/07/2016 12:03, Grygorii Strashko a ?crit :

Quoted 39 lines · Cyrille Pitchen
Quoted 38 lines

Hi Mark,

recently Heiko reported to us a performance regression with Atmel SPI controllers. He noticed the issue on a sam9g15ek board and I was also able to reproduce it on a sama5d36ek board.

We found out that the performance regression was introduced in 3.14 by commit:
8090d6d1a415d3ae1a7208995decfab8f60f4f36
spi: atmel: Refactor spi-atmel to use SPI framework queue

For the test, I connected a Spansion S25FL512 memory on the SPI1 controller of a sama5d36ek board. Then with an oscilloscope I monitored the chip-select, clock and MOSI signals on the SPI bus.

1 - Reading 512 bytes from the memory

# dd if=/dev/mtd6 bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/null

With the oscilloscope, I measured the time between the chip-select fell before the Read Status command (05h) and the chip-select rose after all data had been read by the 4-byte address Fast Read 1-1-1 command (13h).

3.14 vanilla : 305 ?s
3.14 commit 8090d6d1a415 reverted : 242 ?s -21%

2 - Reading 1000 x 1024 bytes from the memory

# dd if=/dev/mtd6 bs=1024 count=1000 of=/dev/null

Still with the scope, I measured the time to read all data.

3.14 vanilla : 435 ms
3.14 commit 8090d6d1a415 reverted : 361 ms -17%

Indeed the oscilloscope shows that more time is spent between messages and transfers.

Yes this fits with my observations.

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commit 8090d6d1a415 replaced the tasklet used to manage a SPI message/transfer queue by a workqueue provided by the SPI framework.

The support of this (optional) workqueue was introduced by commit:
ffbbdd21329f3e15eeca6df2d4bc11c04d9d91c0
spi: create a message queuing infrastructure

Though the commit message claims that is common infrastructure is optional, the patch also claims the .transfer() hook is deprecated, suggesting drivers should implement the new .transfer_one_message() hook instead.

This is the reason why commit 8090d6d1a415 was submitted. However we lost quite amount of performances moving from our tasklet to the generic workqueue.

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So do you recommend us to keep our current generic implementation relying on the SPI framework workqueue or to go back to a custom implementation using tasklet?
If we keep the current implementation, is there a way to improve the performances so we go back to something close to what he had before?

We saw in commit ffbbdd21329f that we can change the workqueue thread scheduling policy to SCHED_FIFO by setting master->rt.

master->rt is not a good choice as i know and
you may find thread [1] useful for you.

[1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-rt-users/msg14347.html

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thanks for the link, I'll look at it :)

Thanks for digging into this issue and your tests!

Do you have some new results? Can I help you?

bye,
Heiko

We talked about moving back to a tasklet implementation but nothing was done yet so nothing new for now, sorry.
Also, I will be out of office for the next 3 weeks: I will be back on August, 22th.

Best regards,

Cyrille

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We talked about moving back to a tasklet implementation but nothing was done yet so nothing new for now, sorry.
Also, I will be out of office for the next 3 weeks: I will be back on August, 22th.

To repeat what I said before the thing to do here is to improve the
performance of the core implementation rather than just open coding
something.
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So do you recommend us to keep our current generic implementation relying on the SPI framework workqueue or to go back to a custom implementation using tasklet?
If we keep the current implementation, is there a way to improve the performances so we go back to something close to what he had before?

I'd suggest trying to implement whatever it is that your customm
implementation was doing in the core, having individual drivers trying
to open code the message pump is obviously not sensible. If what you're
doing makes your controllers run faster it'll probably make everyone
else's run faster too.
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