self-hosted image vs. build appliance

Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob and 'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier if we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?

Thanks!

Belen

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Quoted 4 lines · Belen

Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob and 'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier if we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?

They are slightly different. The self-hosted-image is the recipe name that generates the image. The build-appliance is the VMware OVF file and bits needed to use VMPlayer or VMWorkstation. The self-hosted-image is the underlying disk image used in the Build Appliance

Sau!

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Thanks!

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Hi Saul,

Thanks for explaining. But I must say: to an outsider, the existing naming does not explain how these 2 things relate to each other.

We are adding a description of the 'self-hosted-image' to Hob, including a link to the Build Appliance page in the Yocto Project website. But I am not sure it will be enough to fully explain the relationship between both. Is there any reason why the recipe and the ovf file need to have different names?

Cheers

Belen

Quoted 33 lines · Saul Wold

Quoted 4 lines · Belen

Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob and 'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier if we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?

They are slightly different. The self-hosted-image is the recipe name that generates the image. The build-appliance is the VMware OVF file and bits needed to use VMPlayer or VMWorkstation. The self-hosted-image is the underlying disk image used in the Build Appliance

Sau!

Quoted 21 lines

Thanks!

Belen

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Quoted 6 lines · Belen

Hi Saul,

Thanks for explaining. But I must say: to an outsider, the existing naming
does not explain how these 2 things relate to each other.

Quoted 9 lines

We are adding a description of the 'self-hosted-image' to Hob, including a
link to the Build Appliance page in the Yocto Project website. But I am not sure it will be enough to fully explain the relationship between both.
Is there any reason why the recipe and the ovf file need to have different
names?

How about build-appliance-image and building a Build Appliance ovf

Sau!

Quoted 46 lines

Cheers

Belen

Quoted 35 lines · Saul Wold

Quoted 5 lines · Belen

Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob and 'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier if
we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?

They are slightly different. The self-hosted-image is the recipe name that generates the image. The build-appliance is the VMware OVF file and bits needed to use VMPlayer or VMWorkstation. The self-hosted-image
is the underlying disk image used in the Build Appliance

Sau!

Quoted 21 lines

Thanks!

Belen

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Quoted 6 lines · Belen

Hi Saul,

Thanks for explaining. But I must say: to an outsider, the existing naming
does not explain how these 2 things relate to each other.

Quoted 9 lines

We are adding a description of the 'self-hosted-image' to Hob, including a
link to the Build Appliance page in the Yocto Project website. But I am not sure it will be enough to fully explain the relationship between both.
Is there any reason why the recipe and the ovf file need to have different
names?

How about build-appliance-image and building a Build Appliance ovf

Sau!

Quoted 46 lines

Cheers

Belen

Quoted 35 lines · Saul Wold

Quoted 5 lines · Belen

Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob and 'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier if
we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?

They are slightly different. The self-hosted-image is the recipe name that generates the image. The build-appliance is the VMware OVF file and bits needed to use VMPlayer or VMWorkstation. The self-hosted-image
is the underlying disk image used in the Build Appliance

Sau!

Quoted 21 lines

Thanks!

Belen

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The term "self-hosted image" will need to be expunged from the docs. This should be mentioned in the bug as well.

Scott

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Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:44 AM
To: Saul Wold
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Subject: Re: [yocto] self-hosted image vs. build appliance

Dave Stewart has suggested to use Build Appliance everywhere unless someone comes up with something better. I think build-appliance-image is definitely better than self-hosted-image, so I'll ask that to be changed in Hob as part of bug 2636.

About the description, this is what Scott has suggested:

'An image you can run using the Yocto Project Build Appliance. It boots from VMware Player or VMware Workstation. For more details, visit the Yocto Project Website.'

'visit the Yocto Project Website' would be a link to
http://www.yoctoproject.org/documentation/build-appliance

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Belen

Quoted 16 lines · Saul Wold

Quoted 6 lines · Belen

Hi Saul,

Thanks for explaining. But I must say: to an outsider, the existing naming
does not explain how these 2 things relate to each other.

Quoted 9 lines

We are adding a description of the 'self-hosted-image' to Hob, including a
link to the Build Appliance page in the Yocto Project website. But I am not sure it will be enough to fully explain the relationship between both.
Is there any reason why the recipe and the ovf file need to have different
names?

Quoted 52 lines

How about build-appliance-image and building a Build Appliance ovf

Sau!

Quoted 47 lines

Cheers

Belen

Quoted 36 lines · Saul Wold

Quoted 6 lines · Belen

Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob and
'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier if
we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?

They are slightly different. The self-hosted-image is the recipe name that generates the image. The build-appliance is the VMware OVF file and bits needed to use VMPlayer or VMWorkstation. The self-hosted-image
is the underlying disk image used in the Build Appliance

Sau!

Quoted 21 lines

Thanks!

Belen

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Hi Scott,

I'll file a separate bug for the documentation.

Cheers

Belen

Quoted 122 lines · Scott M

The term "self-hosted image" will need to be expunged from the docs. This should be mentioned in the bug as well.

Scott

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Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:44 AM
To: Saul Wold
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yocto] self-hosted image vs. build appliance

Dave Stewart has suggested to use Build Appliance everywhere unless someone comes up with something better. I think build-appliance-image is definitely better than self-hosted-image, so I'll ask that to be changed in Hob as part of bug 2636.

About the description, this is what Scott has suggested:

'An image you can run using the Yocto Project Build Appliance. It boots from VMware Player or VMware Workstation. For more details, visit the Yocto Project Website.'

'visit the Yocto Project Website' would be a link to
http://www.yoctoproject.org/documentation/build-appliance

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Belen

Quoted 17 lines · Saul Wold

Quoted 6 lines · Belen

Hi Saul,

Thanks for explaining. But I must say: to an outsider, the existing naming
does not explain how these 2 things relate to each other.

Quoted 10 lines

We are adding a description of the 'self-hosted-image' to Hob, including a
link to the Build Appliance page in the Yocto Project website. But I am
not sure it will be enough to fully explain the relationship between both.
Is there any reason why the recipe and the ovf file need to have different
names?

Quoted 57 lines

How about build-appliance-image and building a Build Appliance ovf

Sau!

Quoted 52 lines

Cheers

Belen

Quoted 41 lines · Saul Wold

Quoted 7 lines · Belen

Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob and
'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier
if
we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?

They are slightly different. The self-hosted-image is the recipe name
that generates the image. The build-appliance is the VMware OVF file and bits needed to use VMPlayer or VMWorkstation. The self-hosted-image
is the underlying disk image used in the Build Appliance

Sau!

Quoted 24 lines

Thanks!

Belen

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From: [email protected] [mailto:yocto- [email protected]] On Behalf Of Barros Pena, Belen
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:24 AM

Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob and 'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier if we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?

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From: [email protected] [mailto:yocto- [email protected]] On Behalf Of Barros Pena, Belen
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:24 AM

Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob and 'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier if we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?

Yes indeed, we should have consistent naming for this feature.

The problem is, neither name is very good.

"build-appliance" = an implication that the thing "just works" like an appliance should just work in your kitchen. Unfortunately, the name isn't very descriptive.
"Self-hosted-image" = a description of how the thing is constructed (it's a Linux OS which was constructed by the Yocto Project itself, and it builds using the Yocto Project).

So neither name is good, but build appliance is usually the one I use.

If anyone has a better name I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT. Otherwise please file a bug to change the self-hosted-image name to build appliance.

Dave