qemu-kvm: Switch to upstream -enable-kvm semantics
PATCH 1/1 qemu-kvm: Switch to upstream -enable-kvm semantics
We currently enable KVM by default, and when it's not available, we print a message and fall back to TCG. Option -enable-kvm is ignored. Option -no-kvm suppresses KVM.
Upstream works differently: KVM is off by default, -enable-kvm switches it on. -enable-kvm terminates the process unsuccessfully if KVM is not available.
upstream qemu | default |-enable-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------
KVM available | disabled | enabled KVM unavailable | disabled | fail
qemu-kvm | default |-enable-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------
KVM available | enabled* | enabled KVM unavailable | disabled | disabled*
* differs from upstream
Users of qemu and qemu-kvm need to be aware of these differences to enable / disable use of KVM reliably. This is bothersome.
Consider -enable-kvm when KVM is unavailable: If the user expects qemu-kvm behavior (fall back), but qemu fails, he'll likely be surprised and unhappy. If the user expects upstream behavior (fail), but qemu-kvm falls back to TCG, the guest runs slow as molasses, and the user will likely be confused and unhappy (unless he spots and understands the "disable KVM" message).
Switch to upstream semantics: KVM off by default, -enable-kvm switches it on, and when it can't, it's fatal.
Having to enable KVM explicitly is annoying, but the proper place to address that is upstream.
--- vl.c | 10 +--------- 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
vl.c +1 -9
@@ -247,7 +247,7 @@ static void *boot_set_opaque;static NotifierList exit_notifiers =NOTIFIER_LIST_INITIALIZER (exit_notifiers); -int kvm_allowed =1 ; +int kvm_allowed =0 ;uint32_t xen_domid;enum xen_mode xen_mode =XEN_EMULATE ;
@@ -2436,10 +2436,8 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv, char **envp)case QEMU_OPTION_smbios:do_smbios_option (optarg);break ; -#ifdef OBSOLETE_KVM_IMPL case QEMU_OPTION_enable_kvm: kvm_allowed =1 ; -#endif break ;case QEMU_OPTION_no_kvm: kvm_allowed =0 ;
@@ -2789,18 +2787,12 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv, char **envp)if (kvm_allowed) {int ret =kvm_init (smp_cpus);if (ret <0 ) { -#if defined(OBSOLETE_KVM_IMPL ) || defined(CONFIG_NO_CPU_EMULATION )if (!kvm_available ()) {printf ("KVM not supported for this target\n" ); }else {fprintf (stderr,"failed to initialize KVM: %s\n" ,strerror (-ret)); }exit (1 ); -#endif -#ifdef CONFIG_KVM -fprintf (stderr,"Could not initialize KVM, will disable KVM support\n" ); - kvm_allowed =0 ; -#endif } }
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Quoted 30 lines · Markus Armbruster
We currently enable KVM by default, and when it's not available, we print a message and fall back to TCG. Option -enable-kvm is ignored. Option -no-kvm suppresses KVM.
Upstream works differently: KVM is off by default, -enable-kvm switches it on. -enable-kvm terminates the process unsuccessfully if KVM is not available.
upstream qemu | default |-enable-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------KVM available | disabled | enabled KVM unavailable | disabled | failqemu-kvm | default |-enable-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------KVM available | enabled* | enabled KVM unavailable | disabled | disabled** differs from upstream
Users of qemu and qemu-kvm need to be aware of these differences to enable / disable use of KVM reliably. This is bothersome.
Consider -enable-kvm when KVM is unavailable: If the user expects qemu-kvm behavior (fall back), but qemu fails, he'll likely be surprised and unhappy. If the user expects upstream behavior (fail), but qemu-kvm falls back to TCG, the guest runs slow as molasses, and the user will likely be confused and unhappy (unless he spots and understands the "disable KVM" message).
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Switch to upstream semantics: KVM off by default, -enable-kvm switches it on, and when it can't, it's fatal.
Having to enable KVM explicitly is annoying, but the proper place to address that is upstream.
Signed-off-by Markus Armbruster<[email protected]>
Backwards compatibility is going to kill us if we try to make this change.
Current qemu-kvm behavior:
default: -accel kvm,tcg
-no-kvm: -accel tcg
-enable-kvm: -accel kvm,tcg
Current upstream behavior
default: -accel tcg
-enable-kvm: -accel kvm
I think we should tie `-accel' to the machine type. For qemu-kvm, a different default machine type should be used than upstream qemu (it really should be a configure switch).
For pc', the default -accel' behavior should remain 'tcg'. For kvmpc', the default -accel' behavior should be 'kvm,tcg'.
-no-kvm should be deprecated. -enable-kvm should also be deprecated in favor of the `-accel' option.
In the short term, it would be a good idea to modify qemu-kvm to switch the -enable-kvm semantics to match upstream (fail if KVM isn't available). Adding an alias for 'kvmpc' upstream and qemu-kvm and making qemu-kvm default to 'kvmpc' would be helpful for management tools too.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
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--- vl.c | 10 +--------- 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)vl.c +1
-9@@ -247,7 +247,7 @@ static void *boot_set_opaque;static NotifierList exit_notifiers =NOTIFIER_LIST_INITIALIZER (exit_notifiers); -int kvm_allowed =1 ; +int kvm_allowed =0 ;uint32_t xen_domid;enum xen_mode xen_mode =XEN_EMULATE ;@@ -2436,10 +2436,8 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv, char **envp)case QEMU_OPTION_smbios:do_smbios_option (optarg);break ; -#ifdef OBSOLETE_KVM_IMPL case QEMU_OPTION_enable_kvm: kvm_allowed =1 ; -#endif break ;case QEMU_OPTION_no_kvm: kvm_allowed =0 ;@@ -2789,18 +2787,12 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv, char **envp)if (kvm_allowed) {int ret =kvm_init (smp_cpus);if (ret<0 ) { -#if defined(OBSOLETE_KVM_IMPL ) || defined(CONFIG_NO_CPU_EMULATION )if (!kvm_available ()) {printf ("KVM not supported for this target\n" ); }else {fprintf (stderr,"failed to initialize KVM: %s\n" ,strerror (-ret)); }exit (1 ); -#endif -#ifdef CONFIG_KVM -fprintf (stderr,"Could not initialize KVM, will disable KVM support\n" ); - kvm_allowed =0 ; -#endif } }
Quoted 57 lines · Anthony Liguori
Quoted 30 lines · Markus Armbruster
We currently enable KVM by default, and when it's not available, we print a message and fall back to TCG. Option -enable-kvm is ignored. Option -no-kvm suppresses KVM.
Upstream works differently: KVM is off by default, -enable-kvm switches it on. -enable-kvm terminates the process unsuccessfully if KVM is not available.
upstream qemu | default |-enable-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------KVM available | disabled | enabled KVM unavailable | disabled | failqemu-kvm | default |-enable-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------KVM available | enabled* | enabled KVM unavailable | disabled | disabled** differs from upstream
Users of qemu and qemu-kvm need to be aware of these differences to enable / disable use of KVM reliably. This is bothersome.
Consider -enable-kvm when KVM is unavailable: If the user expects qemu-kvm behavior (fall back), but qemu fails, he'll likely be surprised and unhappy. If the user expects upstream behavior (fail), but qemu-kvm falls back to TCG, the guest runs slow as molasses, and the user will likely be confused and unhappy (unless he spots and understands the "disable KVM" message).
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Switch to upstream semantics: KVM off by default, -enable-kvm switches it on, and when it can't, it's fatal.
Having to enable KVM explicitly is annoying, but the proper place to address that is upstream.
Signed-off-by Markus Armbruster<[email protected]>Backwards compatibility is going to kill us if we try to make this change.
Current qemu-kvm behavior:
default: -accel kvm,tcg
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-2-no-kvm: -accel tcg -enable-kvm: -accel kvm,tcgCurrent upstream behavior
default: -accel tcg
-enable-kvm: -accel kvmI think we should tie `-accel' to the machine type. For qemu-kvm, a different default machine type should be used than upstream qemu (it really should be a configure switch).
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For
pc', the default-accel' behavior should remain 'tcg'. For kvmpc', the default `-accel' behavior should be 'kvm,tcg'.-no-kvm should be deprecated. -enable-kvm should also be deprecated in favor of the `-accel' option.
I'm fine with -accel and deprecating the old options. But until we have that:
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In the short term, it would be a good idea to modify qemu-kvm to switch the -enable-kvm semantics to match upstream (fail if KVM isn't available).
That's what my patch does.
Additionally, it changes the default to match upstream: KVM disabled.
What do you want changed in my patch?
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Adding an alias for 'kvmpc' upstream and qemu-kvm and
making qemu-kvm default to 'kvmpc' would be helpful for management tools too.
That would address "Having to enable KVM explicitly is annoying".
Quoted 9 lines · Markus Armbruster
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In the short term, it would be a good idea to modify qemu-kvm to switch the -enable-kvm semantics to match upstream (fail if KVM isn't available).
That's what my patch does.
Additionally, it changes the default to match upstream: KVM disabled.
What do you want changed in my patch?
The 'Additionally' bit. qemu-kvm users rely on the default enabling kvm. Likely they don't rely on -enable-kvm failing is kvm is not available (and indeed, they likely expect it to match upstream). So the patch should only change behaviour when -enable-kvm is specified.
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error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
Quoted 7 lines · Avi Kivity
Quoted 6 lines · Markus Armbruster
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In the short term, it would be a good idea to modify qemu-kvm to switch the -enable-kvm semantics to match upstream (fail if KVM isn't available).
That's what my patch does.
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Additionally, it changes the default to match upstream: KVM disabled.
What do you want changed in my patch?
The 'Additionally' bit. qemu-kvm users rely on the default enabling kvm. Likely they don't rely on -enable-kvm failing is kvm is not available (and indeed, they likely expect it to match upstream). So the patch should only change behaviour when -enable-kvm is specified.
Like this?
upstream qemu | default |-enable-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------
KVM available | disabled | enabled KVM unavailable | disabled | fail
qemu-kvm | default |-enable-kvm| -no-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------+-----------
KVM available | enabled* | enabled | disabled KVM unavailable | disabled | fail | disabled
* differs from upstream
Quoted 25 lines · Markus Armbruster
Quoted 7 lines · Avi Kivity
Quoted 6 lines · Markus Armbruster
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In the short term, it would be a good idea to modify qemu-kvm to switch the -enable-kvm semantics to match upstream (fail if KVM isn't available).
That's what my patch does.
Quoted 8 lines
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Additionally, it changes the default to match upstream: KVM disabled.
What do you want changed in my patch?
The 'Additionally' bit. qemu-kvm users rely on the default enabling kvm. Likely they don't rely on -enable-kvm failing is kvm is not available (and indeed, they likely expect it to match upstream). So the patch should only change behaviour when -enable-kvm is specified.
Like this?
upstream qemu | default |-enable-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------KVM available | disabled | enabled KVM unavailable | disabled | fail
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qemu-kvm | default |-enable-kvm| -no-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------+-----------KVM available | enabled* | enabled | disabled KVM unavailable | disabled | fail | disabled* differs from upstream
Yes.
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error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
Quoted 26 lines · Avi Kivity
Quoted 25 lines · Markus Armbruster
Quoted 7 lines · Avi Kivity
Quoted 6 lines · Markus Armbruster
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In the short term, it would be a good idea to modify qemu-kvm to switch the -enable-kvm semantics to match upstream (fail if KVM isn't available).
That's what my patch does.
Quoted 8 lines
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Additionally, it changes the default to match upstream: KVM disabled.
What do you want changed in my patch?
The 'Additionally' bit. qemu-kvm users rely on the default enabling kvm. Likely they don't rely on -enable-kvm failing is kvm is not available (and indeed, they likely expect it to match upstream). So the patch should only change behaviour when -enable-kvm is specified.
Like this?
upstream qemu | default |-enable-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------KVM available | disabled | enabled KVM unavailable | disabled | fail
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qemu-kvm | default |-enable-kvm| -no-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------+-----------KVM available | enabled* | enabled | disabled KVM unavailable | disabled | fail | disabled* differs from upstream
Yes.
Thanks. I'll cook up a new patch.
Quoted 7 lines · Markus Armbruster
Like this?
upstream qemu | default |-enable-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------KVM available | disabled | enabled KVM unavailable | disabled | fail
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qemu-kvm | default |-enable-kvm| -no-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------+-----------KVM available | enabled* | enabled | disabled KVM unavailable | disabled | fail | disabled* differs from upstream
libguestfs wants "best effort" behaviour, and libvirt wants "KVM or die" behaviour.
Avi, can you comment on whether just opening /dev/kvm O_RDWR is a reasonable way to detect if KVM is available?
Markus, any idea when we might get the -accel option appearing in released versions of qemu/KVM?
Rich.
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Quoted 2 lines · Richard W.M. Jones
Markus, any idea when we might get the -accel option appearing in released versions of qemu/KVM?
Sorry, I thought this email wasn't going out to a public list. I should be more careful next time.
I'll say instead: We really need both the -accel option and a working system of qemu capabilities. Both would be hugely helpful making it easier to work with qemu.
Rich.
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Quoted 13 lines · Richard W.M. Jones
Quoted 12 lines · Markus Armbruster
Like this?
upstream qemu | default |-enable-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------KVM available | disabled | enabled KVM unavailable | disabled | failqemu-kvm | default |-enable-kvm| -no-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------+-----------KVM available | enabled* | enabled | disabled KVM unavailable | disabled | fail | disabled
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* differs from upstream
libguestfs wants "best effort" behaviour, and libvirt wants "KVM or die" behaviour.
For what it's worth, default gives you exactly that with qemu-kvm. Maybe that's good enough, on the theory that if you have KVM, you most likely have libguestfs using qemu-kvm.
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Avi, can you comment on whether just opening
/dev/kvmO_RDWRis a reasonable way to detect if KVM is available?Markus, any idea when we might get the -accel option appearing in released versions of qemu/KVM?
No idea. Anthony?
Quoted 27 lines · Markus Armbruster
Quoted 14 lines · Richard W.M. Jones
Quoted 12 lines · Markus Armbruster
Like this?
upstream qemu | default |-enable-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------KVM available | disabled | enabled KVM unavailable | disabled | failqemu-kvm | default |-enable-kvm| -no-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------+-----------KVM available | enabled* | enabled | disabled KVM unavailable | disabled | fail | disabledQuoted 5 lines
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* differs from upstream
libguestfs wants "best effort" behaviour, and libvirt wants "KVM or die" behaviour.
For what it's worth, default gives you exactly that with qemu-kvm. Maybe that's good enough, on the theory that if you have KVM, you most likely have libguestfs using qemu-kvm.
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Avi, can you comment on whether just opening
/dev/kvmO_RDWRis a reasonable way to detect if KVM is available?Markus, any idea when we might get the -accel option appearing in released versions of qemu/KVM?
No idea. Anthony?
I see no problem with 0.15 if someone cooks up a patch.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
Quoted 31 lines · Anthony Liguori
Quoted 30 lines · Markus Armbruster
Quoted 14 lines · Richard W.M. Jones
Quoted 12 lines · Markus Armbruster
Like this?
upstream qemu | default |-enable-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------KVM available | disabled | enabled KVM unavailable | disabled | failqemu-kvm | default |-enable-kvm| -no-kvm
----------------+-----------+-----------+-----------KVM available | enabled* | enabled | disabled KVM unavailable | disabled | fail | disabledQuoted 5 lines
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* differs from upstream
libguestfs wants "best effort" behaviour, and libvirt wants "KVM or die" behaviour.
For what it's worth, default gives you exactly that with qemu-kvm. Maybe that's good enough, on the theory that if you have KVM, you most likely have libguestfs using qemu-kvm.
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Avi, can you comment on whether just opening
/dev/kvmO_RDWRis a reasonable way to detect if KVM is available?
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Markus, any idea when we might get the -accel option appearing in released versions of qemu/KVM?
No idea. Anthony?
I see no problem with 0.15 if someone cooks up a patch.
Didn't Anthony do one? What happened to the Xen patch set anyways? :)
Alex