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DISCUSSION Matt McKinnon 7 participants 20 messages Dec 1, 2017 – Dec 4, 2017 Btrfs file system

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Hi All,

Is there any way to figure out what exactly btrfs-transacti is chugging on? I have a few file systems that seem to get wedged for days on end with this process pegged around 100%. I've stopped all snapshots, made sure no quotas were enabled, turned on autodefrag in the mount options, tried manual defragging, kernel upgrades, yet still this brings my system to a crawl.

Network I/O to the system seems very tiny. The only I/O I see to the disk is btrfs-transacti writing a couple M/s.

# time touch foo
real    2m54.303s
user    0m0.000s
sys     0m0.002s
# uname -r
4.12.8-custom
# btrfs --version
btrfs-progs v4.13.3

Yes, I know I'm a bit behind there...

-Matt

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Quoted 17 lines · Matt McKinnon

Is there any way to figure out what exactly btrfs-transacti is chugging on?  I have a few file systems that seem to get wedged for days on end with this process pegged around 100%.  I've stopped all snapshots, made sure no quotas were enabled, turned on autodefrag in the mount options, tried manual defragging, kernel upgrades, yet still this brings my system to a crawl.

Network I/O to the system seems very tiny.  The only I/O I see to the disk is btrfs-transacti writing a couple M/s.

# time touch foo

real    2m54.303s
user    0m0.000s
sys     0m0.002s

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# uname -r
4.12.8-custom
# btrfs --version
btrfs-progs v4.13.3

Yes, I know I'm a bit behind there...

One of the simple things you can do is watch the stack traces of the kernel thread.

watch 'cat /proc/<pid>/stack'

where <pid> is the pid of the btrfs-transaction process.

In there, you will see a pattern of reoccuring things, like, it's searching for free space, it's writing out free space cache, or other things. Correlate this with the disk write traffic and see if we get a step further.

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Thanks for this. Here's what I get:

[<ffffffffc084ba73>] transaction_kthread+0x133/0x1c0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffaa09b839>] kthread+0x109/0x140
[<ffffffffaa8459f5>] ret_from_fork+0x25/0x30

...

[<ffffffffaa0a8406>] io_schedule+0x16/0x40
[<ffffffffaa3b3cde>] get_request+0x23e/0x720
[<ffffffffaa3b6861>] blk_queue_bio+0xc1/0x3a0
[<ffffffffaa3b4a88>] generic_make_request+0xf8/0x2a0
[<ffffffffaa3b4ca5>] submit_bio+0x75/0x150
[<ffffffffc087fac5>] btrfs_map_bio+0xe5/0x2f0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc084834c>] btree_submit_bio_hook+0x8c/0xe0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc086f1e3>] submit_one_bio+0x63/0xa0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc086f39b>] flush_epd_write_bio+0x3b/0x50 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc086f3be>] flush_write_bio+0xe/0x10 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc08777a9>] btree_write_cache_pages+0x379/0x450 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc08478ed>] btree_writepages+0x5d/0x70 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffaa1a326c>] do_writepages+0x1c/0x70
[<ffffffffaa196f2a>] __filemap_fdatawrite_range+0xaa/0xe0
[<ffffffffaa197023>] filemap_fdatawrite_range+0x13/0x20
[<ffffffffc084fba9>] btrfs_write_marked_extents+0xe9/0x110 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc084fc4d>] btrfs_write_and_wait_transaction.isra.22+0x3d/0x80 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0851645>] btrfs_commit_transaction+0x665/0x900 [btrfs]

...

[<ffffffffaa0a8406>] io_schedule+0x16/0x40
[<ffffffffaa1959c8>] wait_on_page_bit+0xe8/0x120
[<ffffffffc087639d>] read_extent_buffer_pages+0x1cd/0x2e0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0846fcf>] btree_read_extent_buffer_pages+0x9f/0x100 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0848542>] read_tree_block+0x32/0x50 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0828980>] read_block_for_search.isra.32+0x120/0x2e0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc082daa5>] btrfs_next_old_leaf+0x215/0x400 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc082dca0>] btrfs_next_leaf+0x10/0x20 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0843c3e>] btrfs_lookup_csums_range+0x12e/0x410 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc08d09ea>] csum_exist_in_range.isra.49+0x2a/0x81 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc08596a2>] run_delalloc_nocow+0x9b2/0xa10 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0859768>] run_delalloc_range+0x68/0x340 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0872070>] writepage_delalloc.isra.47+0xf0/0x140 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0872f97>] __extent_writepage+0xc7/0x290 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0873415>] extent_write_cache_pages.constprop.53+0x2b5/0x450 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0874fed>] extent_writepages+0x4d/0x70 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0852d88>] btrfs_writepages+0x28/0x30 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffaa1a326c>] do_writepages+0x1c/0x70
[<ffffffffaa196f2a>] __filemap_fdatawrite_range+0xaa/0xe0
[<ffffffffaa197023>] filemap_fdatawrite_range+0x13/0x20
[<ffffffffc08695c0>] btrfs_fdatawrite_range+0x20/0x50 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc089abf9>] __btrfs_write_out_cache+0x3d9/0x420 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc089b066>] btrfs_write_out_cache+0x86/0x100 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc083bc61>] btrfs_write_dirty_block_groups+0x261/0x390 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc084e83b>] commit_cowonly_roots+0x1fb/0x290 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0851414>] btrfs_commit_transaction+0x434/0x900 [btrfs]

...

[<ffffffffc08992d7>] tree_search_offset.isra.23+0x37/0x1d0 [btrfs]

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Quoted 1 line · Matt McKinnon

Thanks for this.  Here's what I get:

Ok, and which one is displaying most of the time?

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[...]

[<ffffffffaa0a8406>] io_schedule+0x16/0x40
[<ffffffffaa3b3cde>] get_request+0x23e/0x720
[<ffffffffaa3b6861>] blk_queue_bio+0xc1/0x3a0
[<ffffffffaa3b4a88>] generic_make_request+0xf8/0x2a0
[<ffffffffaa3b4ca5>] submit_bio+0x75/0x150
[<ffffffffc087fac5>] btrfs_map_bio+0xe5/0x2f0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc084834c>] btree_submit_bio_hook+0x8c/0xe0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc086f1e3>] submit_one_bio+0x63/0xa0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc086f39b>] flush_epd_write_bio+0x3b/0x50 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc086f3be>] flush_write_bio+0xe/0x10 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc08777a9>] btree_write_cache_pages+0x379/0x450 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc08478ed>] btree_writepages+0x5d/0x70 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffaa1a326c>] do_writepages+0x1c/0x70
[<ffffffffaa196f2a>] __filemap_fdatawrite_range+0xaa/0xe0
[<ffffffffaa197023>] filemap_fdatawrite_range+0x13/0x20
[<ffffffffc084fba9>] btrfs_write_marked_extents+0xe9/0x110 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc084fc4d>] btrfs_write_and_wait_transaction.isra.22+0x3d/0x80

[btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0851645>] btrfs_commit_transaction+0x665/0x900 [btrfs]

[...]

[<ffffffffaa0a8406>] io_schedule+0x16/0x40
[<ffffffffaa1959c8>] wait_on_page_bit+0xe8/0x120
[<ffffffffc087639d>] read_extent_buffer_pages+0x1cd/0x2e0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0846fcf>] btree_read_extent_buffer_pages+0x9f/0x100 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0848542>] read_tree_block+0x32/0x50 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0828980>] read_block_for_search.isra.32+0x120/0x2e0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc082daa5>] btrfs_next_old_leaf+0x215/0x400 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc082dca0>] btrfs_next_leaf+0x10/0x20 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0843c3e>] btrfs_lookup_csums_range+0x12e/0x410 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc08d09ea>] csum_exist_in_range.isra.49+0x2a/0x81 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc08596a2>] run_delalloc_nocow+0x9b2/0xa10 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0859768>] run_delalloc_range+0x68/0x340 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0872070>] writepage_delalloc.isra.47+0xf0/0x140 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0872f97>] __extent_writepage+0xc7/0x290 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0873415>] extent_write_cache_pages.constprop.53+0x2b5/0x450
[btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0874fed>] extent_writepages+0x4d/0x70 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0852d88>] btrfs_writepages+0x28/0x30 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffaa1a326c>] do_writepages+0x1c/0x70
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[<ffffffffaa196f2a>] __filemap_fdatawrite_range+0xaa/0xe0
[<ffffffffaa197023>] filemap_fdatawrite_range+0x13/0x20
[<ffffffffc08695c0>] btrfs_fdatawrite_range+0x20/0x50 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc089abf9>] __btrfs_write_out_cache+0x3d9/0x420 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc089b066>] btrfs_write_out_cache+0x86/0x100 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc083bc61>] btrfs_write_dirty_block_groups+0x261/0x390 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc084e83b>] commit_cowonly_roots+0x1fb/0x290 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0851414>] btrfs_commit_transaction+0x434/0x900 [btrfs]

1) The one right above, btrfs_write_out_cache, is the write-out of the free space cache v1. Do you see this for multiple seconds going on, and does it match the time when it's writing X MB/s to disk?

2) How big is this filesystem? What does your btrfs fi df /mountpoint say?

3) What kind of workload are you running? E.g. how can you describe it within a range from "big files which just sit there" to "small writes and deletes all over the place all the time"?

4) What kernel version is this? uname -a output?

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These seem to come up most often:

[<ffffffffc084ba73>] transaction_kthread+0x133/0x1c0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffaa09b839>] kthread+0x109/0x140
[<ffffffffaa8459f5>] ret_from_fork+0x25/0x30
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In reply to Hans van Kranenburg

Sorry, I missed your in-line reply:

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1) The one right above, btrfs_write_out_cache, is the write-out of the free space cache v1. Do you see this for multiple seconds going on, and does it match the time when it's writing X MB/s to disk?

It seems to only last until the next watch update.

[<ffffffffaa0a8406>] io_schedule+0x16/0x40
[<ffffffffaa3b3cde>] get_request+0x23e/0x720
[<ffffffffaa3b6861>] blk_queue_bio+0xc1/0x3a0
[<ffffffffaa3b4a88>] generic_make_request+0xf8/0x2a0
[<ffffffffaa3b4ca5>] submit_bio+0x75/0x150
[<ffffffffc087fac5>] btrfs_map_bio+0xe5/0x2f0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc084834c>] btree_submit_bio_hook+0x8c/0xe0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc086f1e3>] submit_one_bio+0x63/0xa0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc086f39b>] flush_epd_write_bio+0x3b/0x50 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc086f3be>] flush_write_bio+0xe/0x10 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc08777a9>] btree_write_cache_pages+0x379/0x450 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc08478ed>] btree_writepages+0x5d/0x70 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffaa1a326c>] do_writepages+0x1c/0x70
[<ffffffffaa196f2a>] __filemap_fdatawrite_range+0xaa/0xe0
[<ffffffffaa197023>] filemap_fdatawrite_range+0x13/0x20
[<ffffffffc084fba9>] btrfs_write_marked_extents+0xe9/0x110 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc084fc4d>] btrfs_write_and_wait_transaction.isra.22+0x3d/0x80 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0851645>] btrfs_commit_transaction+0x665/0x900 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc084baca>] transaction_kthread+0x18a/0x1c0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffaa09b839>] kthread+0x109/0x140
[<ffffffffaa8459f5>] ret_from_fork+0x25/0x30

The last three lines will stick around for a while. Is switching to space cache v2 something that everyone should be doing? Something that would be a good test at least?

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2) How big is this filesystem? What does your btrfs fi df /mountpoint say?

# btrfs fi df /export/
Data, single: total=30.45TiB, used=30.25TiB
System, DUP: total=32.00MiB, used=3.62MiB
Metadata, DUP: total=66.50GiB, used=65.08GiB
GlobalReserve, single: total=512.00MiB, used=53.69MiB
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3) What kind of workload are you running? E.g. how can you describe it within a range from "big files which just sit there" to "small writes and deletes all over the place all the time"?

It's a pretty light workload most of the time. It's a file system that exports two NFS shares to a small lab group. I believe it is more small reads all over a large file (MRI imaging) rather than small writes.

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4) What kernel version is this? uname -a output?

# uname -a
Linux machine_name 4.12.8-custom #1 SMP Tue Aug 22 10:15:01 EDT 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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Quoted 33 lines · Matt McKinnon

Sorry, I missed your in-line reply:

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1) The one right above, btrfs_write_out_cache, is the write-out of the free space cache v1. Do you see this for multiple seconds going on, and does it match the time when it's writing X MB/s to disk?

It seems to only last until the next watch update.

[<ffffffffaa0a8406>] io_schedule+0x16/0x40
[<ffffffffaa3b3cde>] get_request+0x23e/0x720
[<ffffffffaa3b6861>] blk_queue_bio+0xc1/0x3a0
[<ffffffffaa3b4a88>] generic_make_request+0xf8/0x2a0
[<ffffffffaa3b4ca5>] submit_bio+0x75/0x150
[<ffffffffc087fac5>] btrfs_map_bio+0xe5/0x2f0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc084834c>] btree_submit_bio_hook+0x8c/0xe0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc086f1e3>] submit_one_bio+0x63/0xa0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc086f39b>] flush_epd_write_bio+0x3b/0x50 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc086f3be>] flush_write_bio+0xe/0x10 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc08777a9>] btree_write_cache_pages+0x379/0x450 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc08478ed>] btree_writepages+0x5d/0x70 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffaa1a326c>] do_writepages+0x1c/0x70
[<ffffffffaa196f2a>] __filemap_fdatawrite_range+0xaa/0xe0
[<ffffffffaa197023>] filemap_fdatawrite_range+0x13/0x20
[<ffffffffc084fba9>] btrfs_write_marked_extents+0xe9/0x110 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc084fc4d>] btrfs_write_and_wait_transaction.isra.22+0x3d/0x80
[btrfs]
[<ffffffffc0851645>] btrfs_commit_transaction+0x665/0x900 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffc084baca>] transaction_kthread+0x18a/0x1c0 [btrfs]
[<ffffffffaa09b839>] kthread+0x109/0x140
[<ffffffffaa8459f5>] ret_from_fork+0x25/0x30
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The last three lines will stick around for a while.  Is switching to space cache v2 something that everyone should be doing?  Something that would be a good test at least?

Yes. Read on.

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2) How big is this filesystem? What does your btrfs fi df /mountpoint say?

# btrfs fi df /export/
Data, single: total=30.45TiB, used=30.25TiB
System, DUP: total=32.00MiB, used=3.62MiB
Metadata, DUP: total=66.50GiB, used=65.08GiB
GlobalReserve, single: total=512.00MiB, used=53.69MiB

Multi-TiB filesystem, check. total/used ratio looks healthy.

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3) What kind of workload are you running? E.g. how can you describe it within a range from "big files which just sit there" to "small writes and deletes all over the place all the time"?

It's a pretty light workload most of the time.  It's a file system that exports two NFS shares to a small lab group.  I believe it is more small reads all over a large file (MRI imaging) rather than small writes.

Ok.

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4) What kernel version is this? uname -a output?

# uname -a
Linux machine_name 4.12.8-custom #1 SMP Tue Aug 22 10:15:01 EDT 2017
x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Yes, I'd recommend switching to space_cache v2, which stores the free space information in a tree instead of separate blobs, and does not block the transaction while writing out all info of all touched parts of the filesystem again.

Here's of course the famous presentation with all kinds of info why:

http://events.linuxfoundation.org/sites/events/files/slides/vault2016_0.pdf

How:

* umount the filesystem
* btrfsck --clear-space-cache v1 /block/device
* do a rw mount with the space_cache=v2 option added (only needed explicitly once)

During that mount, it will generate the free space tree by reading the extent tree and writing the inverse of it. This will take some time, depending on how fast your storage can do random reads with a cold disk cache.

For x86_64, using the free space cache v2 is fine since linux 4.5. Up to 4.9, there was a bug for big-endian systems. So, with your kernel it's absolutely fine.

Why isn't this the default yet? It's because btrfs-progs don't have support to update the free space tree when doing offline modifications (like check --repair or btrfstune, which you hopefully don't need often anyway). So, until that's fully added, you need to do an btrfsck --clear-space-cache v2, then do the offline r/w action and then generate the tree again on next mount.

Additional tips (forgot to ask for your /proc/mounts before):
* Use the noatime mount option, so that only accessing files does not lead to changes in metadata, which lead to writes, which lead to cowing and writes in a new place, which lead to updates of the free space administration etc...

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01.12.2017 20:06, Hans van Kranenburg пишет:

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Additional tips (forgot to ask for your /proc/mounts before):
* Use the noatime mount option, so that only accessing files does not lead to changes in metadata,

Is not 'lazytime" default today? It gives you correct atime + no extra metadata update cause by update of atime only.

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Quoted 8 lines · Andrei Borzenkov

01.12.2017 20:06, Hans van Kranenburg пишет:

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Additional tips (forgot to ask for your /proc/mounts before):
* Use the noatime mount option, so that only accessing files does not lead to changes in metadata,

Is not 'lazytime" default today? It gives you correct atime + no extra metadata update cause by update of atime only.

Unless things have changed since the last time this came up, BTRFS does not support the 'lazytime' mount option (but it doesn't complain about it either).

Also, lazytime is independent from noatime, and using both can have benefits (lazytime will still have to write out the inode for every file read on the system every 24 hours, but with noatime it only has to write out the inode for files that have changed).

On top of all that though, you generally shouldn't be trusting atime because:
1. Many people run with noatime (or patch their kernels to default to noatime instead of relatime), so you can't be certain if the atime is accurate at all.
2. It has somewhat non-intuitive semantics when dealing with directories.
3. Even without noatime thrown in, you only get 1 day resolution by default (as per the operation of 'relatime').
4. Essentially nothing uses it other than find (which only has one day resolution as it's typically used) and older versions of mutt (which use it because of lazy programming), which is why issue 1 and 3 are the case.

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01.12.2017 21:04, Austin S. Hemmelgarn пишет:

Quoted 8 lines · Andrei Borzenkov
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01.12.2017 20:06, Hans van Kranenburg пишет:

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Additional tips (forgot to ask for your /proc/mounts before):
* Use the noatime mount option, so that only accessing files does not lead to changes in metadata,

Is not 'lazytime" default today?

Sorry, it was relatime that is today's default, I mixed them up.

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It gives you correct atime + no extra

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metadata update cause by update of atime only.

Unless things have changed since the last time this came up, BTRFS does not support the 'lazytime' mount option (but it doesn't complain about it either).

Actually since v2.27 "lazytime" is interpreted by mount command itself and converted into MS_LAZYTIME flag, so should be available for each FS.

bor@10:~> sudo mkfs -t ext4 /dev/sdb1
mke2fs 1.43.7 (16-Oct-2017)
...

bor@10:~> sudo mount -t ext4 -o lazytime /dev/sdb1 /mnt bor@10:~> tail /proc/self/mountinfo
...
224 66 8:17 / /mnt rw,relatime shared:152 - ext4 /dev/sdb1 rw,lazytime,data=ordered
bor@10:~> sudo umount /dev/sdb1
bor@10:~> sudo mkfs -t btrfs -f /dev/sdb1 btrfs-progs v4.13.3
...

bor@10:~> sudo mount -t btrfs -o lazytime /dev/sdb1 /mnt bor@10:~> tail /proc/self/mountinfo
...
224 66 0:88 / /mnt rw,relatime shared:152 - btrfs /dev/sdb1 rw,lazytime,space_cache,subvolid=5,subvol=/ bor@10:~>

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Also, lazytime is independent from noatime, and using both can have benefits (lazytime will still have to write out the inode for every file read on the system every 24 hours, but with noatime it only has to write out the inode for files that have changed).

OK, that's true.

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Quoted 1 line · Matt McKinnon

Thanks, I'll give space_cache=v2 a shot.

Yes, very much recommended.

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My mount options are: rw,relatime,space_cache,autodefrag,subvolid=5,subvol=/

Turn autodefrag off and use noatime instead of relatime.

Your filesystem also seems very full, that's bad with every filesystem but *especially* with btrfs because the allocator has to work really hard to find free space for COWing. Really consider deleting stuff or adding more space.

-h

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Quoted 10 lines · Holger Hoffstätte
Quoted 1 line · Matt McKinnon

Thanks, I'll give space_cache=v2 a shot.

Yes, very much recommended.

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My mount options are: rw,relatime,space_cache,autodefrag,subvolid=5,subvol=/

Turn autodefrag off and use noatime instead of relatime.

Your filesystem also seems very full,

We don't know. btrfs fi df only displays allocated space. And that being full is good, it means not too much free space fragments everywhere.

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that's bad with every filesystem but
*especially* with btrfs because the allocator has to work really hard to find free space for COWing. Really consider deleting stuff or adding more space.

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Hans van Kranenburg
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Right. The file system is 48T, with 17T available, so we're not quite pushing it yet.

So far so good on the space_cache=v2 mount. I'm surprised this isn't on the gotcha page in the wiki; it may end up making a world of difference to the users here

Thanks again,
Matt

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Quoted 10 lines · Holger Hoffstätte
Quoted 1 line · Matt McKinnon

Thanks, I'll give space_cache=v2 a shot.

Yes, very much recommended.

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My mount options are: rw,relatime,space_cache,autodefrag,subvolid=5,subvol=/

Turn autodefrag off and use noatime instead of relatime.

Your filesystem also seems very full,

We don't know. btrfs fi df only displays allocated space. And that being full is good, it means not too much free space fragments everywhere.

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that's bad with every filesystem but
*especially* with btrfs because the allocator has to work really hard to find free space for COWing. Really consider deleting stuff or adding more space.

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Quoted 7 lines · Matt McKinnon

Right. The file system is 48T, with 17T available, so we're not quite pushing it yet.

So far so good on the space_cache=v2 mount. I'm surprised this isn't on the gotcha page in the wiki; it may end up making a world of difference to the users here

I'd change one thing at a time so you learn what change does/doesn't resolve the problem. For storage of mostly large files, autodefrag doesn't seem applicable, but I'd leave it on for now since you've already made the space cache v2 change.

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In reply to Hans van Kranenburg

Hans van Kranenburg posted on Fri, 01 Dec 2017 18:06:23 +0100 as excerpted:

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Sorry, I missed your in-line reply:

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2) How big is this filesystem? What does your btrfs fi df /mountpoint say?

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# btrfs fi df /export/
Data, single: total=30.45TiB, used=30.25TiB
System, DUP: total=32.00MiB, used=3.62MiB
Metadata, DUP: total=66.50GiB, used=65.08GiB
GlobalReserve, single: total=512.00MiB, used=53.69MiB

Multi-TiB filesystem, check. total/used ratio looks healthy.

Not so healthy, from here. Data/metadata are healthy, yes, but...

Any usage at all of global reserve is a red flag indicating that something in the filesystem thinks, or thought when it resorted to global reserve, that space is running out.

Global reserve usage doesn't really hint what the problem is, but it's definitely a red flag that there /is/ a problem, and it's easily overlooked, as it apparently was here.

It's likely indication of a bug, possibly one of the ones fixed right around 4.12/4.13. I'll let the devs and better experts take it from there, but I'd certainly be worried until global reserve drops to zero usage.

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Well, it's at zero now...

# btrfs fi df /export/
Data, single: total=30.45TiB, used=30.25TiB
System, DUP: total=32.00MiB, used=3.62MiB
Metadata, DUP: total=66.50GiB, used=65.16GiB
GlobalReserve, single: total=512.00MiB, used=0.00B
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Hans van Kranenburg posted on Fri, 01 Dec 2017 18:06:23 +0100 as excerpted:

Quoted 8 lines · Matt McKinnon
Quoted 7 lines

Sorry, I missed your in-line reply:

Quoted 3 lines

2) How big is this filesystem? What does your btrfs fi df /mountpoint say?

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# btrfs fi df /export/
Data, single: total=30.45TiB, used=30.25TiB
System, DUP: total=32.00MiB, used=3.62MiB
Metadata, DUP: total=66.50GiB, used=65.08GiB
GlobalReserve, single: total=512.00MiB, used=53.69MiB

Multi-TiB filesystem, check. total/used ratio looks healthy.

Not so healthy, from here. Data/metadata are healthy, yes, but...

Any usage at all of global reserve is a red flag indicating that something in the filesystem thinks, or thought when it resorted to global reserve, that space is running out.

Global reserve usage doesn't really hint what the problem is, but it's definitely a red flag that there /is/ a problem, and it's easily overlooked, as it apparently was here.

It's likely indication of a bug, possibly one of the ones fixed right around 4.12/4.13. I'll let the devs and better experts take it from there, but I'd certainly be worried until global reserve drops to zero usage.

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Quoted 7 lines · Matt McKinnon

Well, it's at zero now...

# btrfs fi df /export/
Data, single: total=30.45TiB, used=30.25TiB
System, DUP: total=32.00MiB, used=3.62MiB
Metadata, DUP: total=66.50GiB, used=65.16GiB
GlobalReserve, single: total=512.00MiB, used=0.00B

GlobalReserve seems to be used temporarily for certain cases of metadata COW regardless of how full the FS actually is, I'm betting that it just so happened that such a case was in progress when you got the info previously. If you aren't seeing it regularly used, it's (probably) not an issue.

Duncan is correct though when dealing with long-term usage. If you see GlobalReserve usage that persists for an extended period of time, something is almost certainly wrong, especially if the FS isn't close to being full.

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Quoted 35 lines

Hans van Kranenburg posted on Fri, 01 Dec 2017 18:06:23 +0100 as excerpted:

Quoted 8 lines · Matt McKinnon
Quoted 7 lines

Sorry, I missed your in-line reply:

Quoted 3 lines

2) How big is this filesystem? What does your btrfs fi df /mountpoint say?

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Quoted 5 lines
# btrfs fi df /export/
Data, single: total=30.45TiB, used=30.25TiB
System, DUP: total=32.00MiB, used=3.62MiB
Metadata, DUP: total=66.50GiB, used=65.08GiB
GlobalReserve, single: total=512.00MiB, used=53.69MiB

Multi-TiB filesystem, check. total/used ratio looks healthy.

Not so healthy, from here.  Data/metadata are healthy, yes, but...

Any usage at all of global reserve is a red flag indicating that something in the filesystem thinks, or thought when it resorted to global reserve, that space is running out.

Global reserve usage doesn't really hint what the problem is, but it's definitely a red flag that there /is/ a problem, and it's easily overlooked, as it apparently was here.

It's likely indication of a bug, possibly one of the ones fixed right around 4.12/4.13.  I'll let the devs and better experts take it from there, but I'd certainly be worried until global reserve drops to zero usage.

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Austin S. Hemmelgarn posted on Mon, 04 Dec 2017 07:18:11 -0500 as excerpted:

Quoted 15 lines · Matt McKinnon
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Well, it's at zero now...

# btrfs fi df /export/
Data, single: total=30.45TiB, used=30.25TiB
System, DUP: total=32.00MiB, used=3.62MiB
Metadata, DUP: total=66.50GiB, used=65.16GiB
GlobalReserve, single: total=512.00MiB, used=0.00B

GlobalReserve seems to be used temporarily for certain cases of metadata COW regardless of how full the FS actually is, I'm betting that it just so happened that such a case was in progress when you got the info previously. If you aren't seeing it regularly used, it's (probably) not an issue.

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Duncan is correct though when dealing with long-term usage. If you see GlobalReserve usage that persists for an extended period of time, something is almost certainly wrong, especially if the FS isn't close to being full.

Thanks. I wasn't aware global reserve was routinely temporarily used.

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Austin S. Hemmelgarn posted on Mon, 04 Dec 2017 07:18:11 -0500 as excerpted:

Quoted 15 lines · Matt McKinnon
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Well, it's at zero now...

# btrfs fi df /export/
Data, single: total=30.45TiB, used=30.25TiB
System, DUP: total=32.00MiB, used=3.62MiB
Metadata, DUP: total=66.50GiB, used=65.16GiB
GlobalReserve, single: total=512.00MiB, used=0.00B

GlobalReserve seems to be used temporarily for certain cases of metadata COW regardless of how full the FS actually is, I'm betting that it just so happened that such a case was in progress when you got the info previously. If you aren't seeing it regularly used, it's (probably) not an issue.

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Duncan is correct though when dealing with long-term usage. If you see GlobalReserve usage that persists for an extended period of time, something is almost certainly wrong, especially if the FS isn't close to being full.

Thanks. I wasn't aware global reserve was routinely temporarily used.

I don't know that it's 'routinely' used, but I've seen it used temporarily during balance and defrag runs, and on rare occasion when snapshotting very subvolumes.

I'm pretty certain that all those cases are not 'supposed' to happen, they just do as a consequence of how the code is written.