Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in closed source drivers?
You must understand the GNU/LINUX community is being manipulated by NVidia.
Dean. Three ways to kill yourself, and ive been drove in one...
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:55:35 -0800 David Schwartz <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 03:57:06 +0000, [email protected] wrote:
To respond first to your subject, GPL'd code is given to everyone to do what
they wish with, subject to certain very specific and narrow limitations.
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Why does the community continue to make pacts with a company that steals from its rivals, makes pacts with M$, and refuses to clearly GPL and open source its work on drivers,
What type of "pact" are you talking about?
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there is a clear difference between their use of
GPL files, and what the GPL says they can do.
I presume you're talking about the inclusion of GPL'd header files into
non-GPL'd code that is then distributed without source code? IMO, if the header file only includes things like structs and thin macros, that's insufficient to consider the compilation a derived work.
You are welcome to argue for stronger and stronger copyright law enforcement
and narrower and narrower constructions of fair use and first sale doctrines. However, IMO, it would be the stupidest possible thing the open source community could ever do.
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You cannot expect embedded
kernel developers to GPL, if you excuse Nvidia, its a vain hope to grab M$ users, but in the long run it destroys the community.
I don't expect anyone to GPL unless they think they get more benefit from
GPLing than the potential harm done. People GPL code because they want to 'donate' it to improve the open source movement, community, and code base. Attempting to arm twist such donations is worse than foolish. You think the open source community should be a bunch of bullies? Convince people open source is best, and avoid them if they don't agree.
DS
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It's obvious that you are not going to listen to anyone who disagrees with you so would you please stop filling our mailboxes?
This is not a new discussion. In past discussions it has been decided that just including header files is not enough to make something a derived work. you don't agree with that so you are going to go make a pest of yourself. spare us the further e-mail.
Linus made a statement in the last couple of months about binary-only modules for the kernel. please go read that before you go further.
David Lang
Quoted 13 lines · On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 [email protected] wrote:
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 05:51:28 +0000
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: RE:Re: Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in closed source
drivers?You must understand the GNU/LINUX community is being manipulated by NVidia.
Dean. Three ways to kill yourself, and ive been drove in one...
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:55:35 -0800 David Schwartz <[email protected]> wrote:
Hell.Surfers,
Quoted 1 line · On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 [email protected] wrote:
You must understand the GNU/LINUX community is being manipulated by NVidia.
NVIDIA Corporate Office:
2701 San Tomas Expressway
Santa Clara, CA 95050
Tel: 408-486-2000
Fax: 408-486-2200
[email protected]
Directions to Corporate Office
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Dean. Three ways to kill yourself, and ive been drove in one...
GO FOR IT!
I will love to see the fall out.
Regards,
Andre Hedrick
LAD Storage Consulting Group
OK....
I have a suggestion..
We all concede (with the exception of a few) that Nvidia did nothing wrong with including headers in their driver.
I dont think they did...
I use their product, and it works well for me.
I would LOVE to see Nvidia open source, but that might just drive a nail in the right place for them.. and they go under.
We cannot force our ideas on a company, all they will do is turn and walk away. We can show them our way, if they like it, good. if not, we tried. I think we have tried, and I think Nvidia is well aware of our way here. Now, on to the suggestion!
lets let this thread die. its been argued before, over and over. please?
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Hell.Surfers,
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You must understand the GNU/LINUX community is being manipulated by NVidia.
NVIDIA Corporate Office:
2701 San Tomas Expressway Santa Clara, CA 95050 Tel: 408-486-2000 Fax: 408-486-2200 [email protected] Directions to Corporate OfficeQuoted 1 line
Dean. Three ways to kill yourself, and ive been drove in one...
GO FOR IT!
I will love to see the fall out.
Regards,
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I would LOVE to see Nvidia open source,
We cannot force our ideas on a company, all they will do is turn and walk away. We can show them our way, if they like it, good. if not, we tried.
Nvidia is a smart company, otherwise they wouldn't be in business today. I'm sure they'll switch to the GPL only once it will be in their advantage to do so and no sooner.
When would it be an advantage for them ?
The moment there is a GPL graphics library (at the right system level, of course) that's so good Nvidia won't be able to resist using that library could be such a moment.
A new project for Hell.Surfers ? ;)
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Rik
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I would LOVE to see Nvidia open source,
We cannot force our ideas on a company, all they will do is turn and walk away. We can show them our way, if they like it, good. if not, we tried.Nvidia is a smart company, otherwise they wouldn't be in business today. I'm sure they'll switch to the GPL only once it will be in their advantage to do so and no sooner.
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When would it be an advantage for them ?
The moment there is a GPL graphics library (at the right system level, of course) that's so good Nvidia won't be able to resist using that library could be such a moment.
A new project for Hell.Surfers ? ;)
Mr Surfers has already showed up at the KGI development team, but as I think his attitude doesn't quite fit in the team, I have not encouraged him to help.
But yes, there is a GPL graphics kernel module / library (KGI & GGI) that should run on linux and any BSD real soon now. The Radeon and Matrox drivers are in place, already. The 3D accelleration framework is in place, but the GGI GL implementation is not yet existing.
For those who want to take a look: the website (www.kgi-project.org) is outdated, we lost contact with the maintainer :( Please take a look at the kgi-wip project at sourceforge (CVS only) and at irc.openprojects.net #kgi
Jos