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Fuck! I hate these things early in the morning.
what gets me extremely pissed in the whole business is that i don't believe that splitting the mailing list is the solution to LVM problems. Escpecially since we have a number of lusers of lwm at the time being.
I believe sistina is mostly at fault there, not for the mailing list issue (i really don't believe people getting kicked out, while the moderation messages are probably due to mailman braindamage)
but for political reasons (stop making it look as a sistina-only project, it pisses everyone)
we have some serous problems here.
an lvm in the kernel which is badly broken(tm)
a better lvm (still buggy according to many kernel hackers, but better still), which does not get into the kernel for communication reasons. (Alan can you help? there is a lot of stuff that goes in -ac before going to mainstream)
A development model where only sistina people have access to cvs. This is bad, has the only effect of pissing off people like Andreas which has been feeding patches and good ideas for many months now, besides it leads to people having their own lvm tree, so everybody is testing their development version, which has nothing to do with the version in the goddamned kernel.
now what i propose is (some has already been said):
lets's vote for which mailing list we want to keep (and everybody accept the result)
open the goddam cvs to hackers that request access to it, you can use different branches and do code freezes with cvs, so it won't hurt releases schedules.
try to ship the most evident bugfixes from cvs to linus, please all long-time kernel hakcers who got involved in this help do this.
open up also the decision process (IOP 11 in beta5 and IOP 10 back in beta6 could not have happened if somebody eles knew about the IOP change.)
Regards,
L.
(Sorry for the big CC list, but i dunno who is subscribed to what anymore)
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we have some serous problems here.
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a better lvm (still buggy according to many kernel hackers, but better still), which does not get into the kernel for communication reasons. (Alan can you help? there is a lot of stuff that goes in -ac before going to mainstream)
I do not think this is a communication problem at all, but a clear lack of understanding (perhaps willful) on the part of the "LVM maintainers" about how to get things into the kernel.
linux/Documentation/SubmittingPatches exist to bonk people on the head if they are screwing up, and it sounds like such is occurring now.
Quite simply,
1) Split up your patches. How many times does it have to be said? Think ONE CHANGE, ONE PATCH. Big patches full of tons of disparate changes are impossible to review.
2) (parroting Linus) Open source is about lack of control, not hoarding code and lording over it. That's why Linus will take a patch from Jens or another knowledgeable person who says "this LVM code is broken, -here- is a fix." -- regardless of who the "official" maintainer of the code is listed as...
[Luca, this is not directed at you, I just used this message as an opportunity to spout :)]
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Fuck! I hate these things early in the morning.
Me too!:-)
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now what i propose is (some has already been said):
lets's vote for which mailing list we want to keep (and everybody accept the result)
In an attempt to get myself out of the mailing list fiasco, I'd be more than happy to turn over list-maintainer duties to anyone on the list who would like to be the list maintainer. ALl I have to do is add thier email address to list of admins.