more kernel .01
The reason i was hoping to run an old version of the kernel, .01 or .02(as someone proposed), is so i can use it as a basis for learning to add on to, compile, and change an os's kernel. I know i can do this with all kernels, but the .01 kernel is very small and the very beginning of the kernel so i can build on it. i am open to installing say red hat 5.2 and then running .01 on a VM, but i only have it on a cd, and the 386 has no cdrom drive. Does anyone know of a place i can get an old version of red hat ive been searching for awhile, or a way to copy the cd to multiple floppies that are able to be install.
Id really rather have away of just installing it over the DOS partition but it seems everyone thinks it would be best to install minix of red hat first, and im fine with that.
So if anyone has information on old red hat version i would be very greatful
Tristan Sloughter
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The reason i was hoping to run an old version of the kernel, .01 or .02(as someone proposed), is so i can use it as a basis for learning to add on to, compile, and change an os's kernel. I know i can do this with all kernels, but the .01 kernel is very small and the very beginning of the kernel so i can build on it. i am open to installing say red hat 5.2 and then running .01 on a VM, but i only have it on a cd, and the 386 has no cdrom drive.
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Does anyone know of a place i can get an old version of red hat ive been searching for awhile, or a way to copy the cd to multiple floppies that are able to be install.
Id really rather have away of just installing it over the DOS partition but it seems everyone thinks it would be best to install minix of red hat first, and im fine with that.
So if anyone has information on old red hat version i would be very greatful
Long long ago, before Red Hat or any other distributions, people installed Linux using a pair of floppies called the boot disk and the root disk. This was how I first installed Linux, using the 0.11 or 0.12 kernel. It was pretty easy to install a minimal self hosting Linux system using these disks. If you can find someone with a set of these disk images for 0.11 and the associated gcc disks, you can probably get a very early linux system up fairly quickly. I dont know who might have a set laying around, but I hope this mail generates some comments from people who do.
Thanks,
Jim
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Long long ago, before Red Hat or any other distributions, people installed Linux using a pair of floppies called the boot disk and the root disk. This was how I first installed Linux, using the 0.11 or 0.12 kernel. It was pretty easy to install a minimal self hosting Linux system using these disks. If you can find someone with a set of these disk images for 0.11 and the associated gcc disks, you can probably get a very early linux system up fairly quickly. I dont know who might have a set laying around, but I hope this mail generates some comments from people who do.
Machines have changed a lot since then, unless you get a vintage machine (with original disk, etc) I very much doubt this will work.
Besides, I don't think learning about a *very* old, severely broken kernel will help in any way. Yes, the current kernel is huge, but most of that is drivers for all sort of exotic hardware.
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The reason i was hoping to run an old version of the kernel, .01 or .02(as someone proposed), is so i can use it as a basis for learning to add on to, compile, and change an os's kernel. I know i can do this with all kernels, but the .01 kernel is very small and the very beginning of the kernel so i can build on it. i am open to installing say red hat 5.2 and then running .01 on a VM, but i only have it on a cd, and the 386 has no cdrom drive. Does anyone know of a place i can get an old version of red hat ive been searching for awhile, or a way to copy the cd to multiple floppies that are able to be install.
Id really rather have away of just installing it over the DOS partition but it seems everyone thinks it would be best to install minix of red hat first, and im fine with that.
So if anyone has information on old red hat version i would be very greatful
Slackware-3.0 (kernel 1.2.13) is installable from floppies (a lot of).
http://www.buckosoft.com/linux/slakware.html
http://ftp.gcu-squad.org/mirrors/slackware-3.0/
Pierre
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for that matter I don't think slackware dropped the full floppy install untill 7.0 or 7.1 and even with slackware 9 you can install from floppy+NFS
David Lang
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 06:54:57 +0200
From: Pierre Rousselet <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: more kernel .01Quoted 17 lines · tristan
The reason i was hoping to run an old version of the kernel, .01 or .02(as someone proposed), is so i can use it as a basis for learning to add on to, compile, and change an os's kernel. I know i can do this with all kernels, but the .01 kernel is very small and the very beginning of the kernel so i can build on it. i am open to installing say red hat 5.2 and then running .01 on a VM, but i only have it on a cd, and the 386 has no cdrom drive. Does anyone know of a place i can get an old version of red hat ive been searching for awhile, or a way to copy the cd to multiple floppies that are able to be install.
Id really rather have away of just installing it over the DOS partition but it seems everyone thinks it would be best to install minix of red hat first, and im fine with that.
So if anyone has information on old red hat version i would be very greatfulSlackware-3.0 (kernel 1.2.13) is installable from floppies (a lot of).
http://www.buckosoft.com/linux/slakware.html
http://ftp.gcu-squad.org/mirrors/slackware-3.0/Pierre
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slackware versions back to 3.3 (2.x kernel I think) are still available from ftp.slackware.org
David Lang
Quoted 61 lines · David Lang
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 05:34:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Lang <[email protected]>
To: Pierre Rousselet <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: more kernel .01for that matter I don't think slackware dropped the full floppy install untill 7.0 or 7.1 and even with slackware 9 you can install from floppy+NFS
David Lang
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 06:54:57 +0200
From: Pierre Rousselet <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: more kernel .01Quoted 17 lines · tristan
The reason i was hoping to run an old version of the kernel, .01 or .02(as someone proposed), is so i can use it as a basis for learning to add on to, compile, and change an os's kernel. I know i can do this with all kernels, but the .01 kernel is very small and the very beginning of the kernel so i can build on it. i am open to installing say red hat 5.2 and then running .01 on a VM, but i only have it on a cd, and the 386 has no cdrom drive. Does anyone know of a place i can get an old version of red hat ive been searching for awhile, or a way to copy the cd to multiple floppies that are able to be install.
Id really rather have away of just installing it over the DOS partition but it seems everyone thinks it would be best to install minix of red hat first, and im fine with that.
So if anyone has information on old red hat version i would be very greatfulSlackware-3.0 (kernel 1.2.13) is installable from floppies (a lot of).
http://www.buckosoft.com/linux/slakware.html
http://ftp.gcu-squad.org/mirrors/slackware-3.0/Quoted 11 lines
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The reason i was hoping to run an old version of the kernel, .01 or .02(as someone proposed), is so i can use it as a basis for learning to add on to, compile, and change an os's kernel. I know i can do this with all kernels, but the .01 kernel is very small
The 0.01 kernel is very crude. The keyboard and IDE drivers are written in assembly. The memory management uses 1 page table for everything, with segmentation used to split it up into 63 processes of 64 MB each plus a 64 MB kernel space. Swap isn't supported, so you'll need at least 4 MB of RAM to run gcc.
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and the very beginning of the kernel so i can build on it. i am open to installing say red hat 5.2 and then running .01 on a
Red Hat is kind of new. :-) Use an old Linux distribution like MCC or Tamu. Those came first, then SLS, then Slackware and Yggdrasil. I gave you a URL for a slightly-hacked MCC that might do the job.
Remember to use the minix filesystem instead of ext2.
tristan in litteris <[email protected]> scripsit:
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The reason i was hoping to run an old version of the kernel, .01 or .02(as someone proposed), is so i can use it as a basis for learning to add on to, compile, and change an os's kernel.
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Does it have to be Linux? If not, there are several systems which are supposed to be simpler than Linux and pedagogically interesting. For example, VSTa (see on <URL: http://www.vsta.org/ >). It's GPL'ed.
Also, if you are interested in history, you might have a look at <URL:
http://www.sco.com/offers/ancient.html >: the Santa Cruz Organization is offering free source licenses for versions 5, 6 and 7 of Unix (circa 1970). The entire v7 kernel source code, for example is below 20klines (mostly C, and a bit of PDP-11 assembler), including device drivers. You can even find PDP-11 emulators to run the thing and play with it. (But you can't redistribute it.)
(If you want something old *and* free-as-in-free-speech, there's ITS. I don't think anyone was able to make it run on modern machines, though. Making a PDP-10 emulator is much harder than for a PDP-11.)
Happy hacking,
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