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Scaring the non-geeks (was Bootscreen)

DISCUSSION Balram Adlakha 3 participants 3 messages Jan 29, 2003 – Jan 30, 2003

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Quoted 9 lines · Alan Cox
Quoted 1 line · Richard B. Tilley (Brad)

How do positive terms such as OK or YES scare people?

Because they contain phrases that are not understood. Sometimes they also contain phrases which trigger concerned responses even when that isnt appropriate. I've for example been tweaking some messages so it is clear that the problem the kernel found it also fixed.

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People find the PC boot intimidating (ask PC support people about people who call in 'lost in the cosmos' and other such gems). Thats why the PC boot has often gone graphical.

Alan

Exactly...
So now its justified that there SHOULD be such a thing, and it SHOULD be WITHING THE KERNEL SOURCES because so many people will be using it and we don't want so many patched kernels do we?
So now that there SHOULD be sucha thing, why not create a few implimentations of it which actually work well and put them into the sources? People seem to like MacOS X don't they? With a nice bootscreen, and with the latest version of kde, won't linux be similiar/better than macOS to the "click click" type users?

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People find the PC boot intimidating (ask PC support people about people who call in 'lost in the cosmos' and other such gems). Thats why the PC boot has often gone graphical.

Exactly...
So now its justified that there SHOULD be such a thing,

Possibly.

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and it SHOULD be WITHING THE KERNEL SOURCES

No.

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because so many people will be using it and we don't want so many patched kernels do we?

It should be within the bootloader, and the kernel should have an option not to switch to the console until the login prompt, (I.E. use two pages of VGA memory, and have the console initialised and being written to, but not displayed until it either oopses, (in which case you just toggle the bits in the VGA memory to switch to the other page, simple enough to do), or as the last task before init is run).

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So now that there SHOULD be sucha thing, why not create a few implimentations of it which actually work well and put them into the sources?

For the same reason we got rid of the in kernel boot loader. If it's there, it'll get used, which is a bad thing.

John

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Quoted 9 lines · Balram Adlakha

Exactly...
So now its justified that there SHOULD be such a thing, and it SHOULD be WITHING THE KERNEL SOURCES because so many people will be using it and we don't want so many patched kernels do we?
So now that there SHOULD be sucha thing, why not create a few implimentations of it which actually work well and put them into the sources? People seem to like MacOS X don't they? With a nice bootscreen, and with the latest version of kde, won't linux be similiar/better than macOS to the "click click" type users?

There's one implementation that is used by UnitedLinux, Mandrake, SuSE, (and Gentoo?), patches are available at ftp.suse.com/pub/people/stepan/bootsplash/

Stefan

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