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PATCH In review Marcelo Tosatti 4 participants 9 messages Nov 21, 2007 – Nov 26, 2007

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PATCH 1/1 mem notifications v2

Hi,

Following is an update of the mem notifications patch.

It allows detection of low pressure scenarios (eg. fat browser on desktop) by checking if the total amount of anonymous pages is growing and if the VM is unmapping pages. This formula also works with swapless devices, where the timer on previous versions failed to.

The check for low memory watermarks is retained for cases which kswapd can't keep up with the pressure.

Documentation/devices.txt +1 -0
@@ -96,6 +96,7 @@
 		 11 = /dev/kmsg		Writes to this come out as printk's
 		 12 = /dev/oldmem	Used by crashdump kernels to access
 					the memory of the kernel that crashed.
+		 13 = /dev/mem_notify   Low memory notification.
 
   1 block	RAM disk
 		  0 = /dev/ram0		First RAM disk
drivers/char/mem.c +6 -0
@@ -34,6 +34,8 @@
 # include <linux/efi.h>
 #endif
 
+extern struct file_operations mem_notify_fops;
+
 /*
  * Architectures vary in how they handle caching for addresses
  * outside of main memory.
@@ -854,6 +856,9 @@
 			filp->f_op = &oldmem_fops;
 			break;
 #endif
+		case 13:
+			filp->f_op = &mem_notify_fops;
+			break;
 		default:
 			return -ENXIO;
 	}
@@ -886,6 +891,7 @@
 #ifdef CONFIG_CRASH_DUMP
 	{12,"oldmem",    S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR | S_IRGRP, &oldmem_fops},
 #endif
+	{13,"mem_notify", S_IRUGO, &mem_notify_fops},
 };
 
 static struct class *mem_class;
include/linux/swap.h +5 -0
@@ -169,6 +169,8 @@
 /* Definition of global_page_state not available yet */
 #define nr_free_pages() global_page_state(NR_FREE_PAGES)
 
+#define total_anon_pages() (global_page_state(NR_ANON_PAGES) \
+			    + total_swap_pages - total_swapcache_pages)
 
 /* linux/mm/swap.c */
 extern void FASTCALL(lru_cache_add(struct page *));
@@ -213,6 +215,9 @@
 
 extern void swap_unplug_io_fn(struct backing_dev_info *, struct page *);
 
+/* linux/mm/mem_notify.c */
+void mem_notify_userspace(void);
+
 #ifdef CONFIG_SWAP
 /* linux/mm/page_io.c */
 extern int swap_readpage(struct file *, struct page *);
mm/Makefile +1 -1
diff -Nur --exclude-from=linux-2.6.24-rc2-mm1/Documentation/dontdiff linux-2.6.24-rc2-mm1.orig/mm/Makefile linux-2.6.24-rc2-mm1/mm/Makefile
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
 			   page_alloc.o page-writeback.o pdflush.o \
 			   readahead.o swap.o truncate.o vmscan.o \
 			   prio_tree.o util.o mmzone.o vmstat.o backing-dev.o \
-			   page_isolation.o $(mmu-y)
+			   page_isolation.o mem_notify.o $(mmu-y)
 
 obj-$(CONFIG_PROC_PAGE_MONITOR) += pagewalk.o
 obj-$(CONFIG_BOUNCE)	+= bounce.o
mm/mem_notify.c +68 -0

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#1 lore raw

Hi Marcelo,

I am interesting your patch.

and I have some stupid question.
please tell me.

include/linux/swap.h line 173

Quoted 9 lines

static struct class *mem_class;

include/linux/swap.h +2 -0
@@ -169,6 +169,8 @@
 /* Definition of global_page_state not available yet */
 #define nr_free_pages() global_page_state(NR_FREE_PAGES)
 
+#define total_anon_pages() (global_page_state(NR_ANON_PAGES) \
+			    + total_swap_pages - total_swapcache_pages)

Why you use total_swap_pages?
Are your intent watching swapon/spwapoff syscall?

or, s/total_swapcache_pages/nr_swap_pages/ ?

include/linux/swap.h line 1214

Quoted 9 lines
include/linux/swap.h +1 -1
@@ -1199,7 +1208,7 @@
 	throttle_vm_writeout(sc->gfp_mask);
 	return nr_reclaimed;
 }
-
+ 
 /*
  * This is the direct reclaim path, for page-allocating processes.  We only
  * try to reclaim pages from zones which will satisfy the caller's allocation

cut here, please.

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#2 lore raw
Quoted 15 lines · kosaki

Hi Marcelo,

I am interesting your patch.

and I have some stupid question.
please tell me.

Quoted 7 lines

static struct class *mem_class;

include/linux/swap.h +0 -0
@@ -169,6 +169,8 @@
 /* Definition of global_page_state not available yet */
 #define nr_free_pages() global_page_state(NR_FREE_PAGES)
 
Quoted 7 lines

include/linux/swap.h line 173

Quoted 2 lines
include/linux/swap.h +2 -0
+#define total_anon_pages() (global_page_state(NR_ANON_PAGES) \
+			    + total_swap_pages - total_swapcache_pages)

Why you use total_swap_pages?
Are your intent watching swapon/spwapoff syscall?

or, s/total_swapcache_pages/nr_swap_pages/ ?

Oops.

total_anon_pages() is supposed to return the total number of anonymous pages (including swapped out ones), so that should be:

#define total_anon_pages() (global_page_state(NR_ANON_PAGES) + \
                           (total_swap_pages-nr_swap_pages)  - \
                            total_swapcache_pages
Quoted 11 lines

include/linux/swap.h line 1214

Quoted 9 lines
include/linux/swap.h +1 -1
@@ -1199,7 +1208,7 @@
 	throttle_vm_writeout(sc->gfp_mask);
 	return nr_reclaimed;
 }
-
+ 
 /*
  * This is the direct reclaim path, for page-allocating processes.  We only
  * try to reclaim pages from zones which will satisfy the caller's allocation

cut here, please.

Fixed, thanks.

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#3 lore raw

Hi, Marcelo

Quoted 5 lines
Quoted 4 lines

Why you use total_swap_pages?
Are your intent watching swapon/spwapoff syscall?

or, s/total_swapcache_pages/nr_swap_pages/ ?

Quoted 8 lines

Oops.

total_anon_pages() is supposed to return the total number of anonymous pages (including swapped out ones), so that should be:

#define total_anon_pages() (global_page_state(NR_ANON_PAGES) + \
                           (total_swap_pages-nr_swap_pages)  - \
                            total_swapcache_pages

Thank you for your kindness explain.
I understand it.

result of re-reviewed, I have 2 comment.

1. mem_notify_status turn off in poll is a bit wrong.
beacause "/dev/mem_notify" watched by multi process is common situation.
2. If it is possible, We may add read method.
because script language kind to read rather than poll.

especially, I want hear your opinion by comment 2. I have no confident.

BTW, Do I have any other contribution things for you?

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#4 lore raw
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Quoted 98 lines · Marcelo Tosatti

Hi,

Following is an update of the mem notifications patch.

It allows detection of low pressure scenarios (eg. fat browser on desktop) by checking if the total amount of anonymous pages is growing and if the VM is unmapping pages. This formula also works with swapless devices, where the timer on previous versions failed to.

The check for low memory watermarks is retained for cases which kswapd can't keep up with the pressure.

Documentation/devices.txt 2007-11-15 15:37:22.000000000 -0200 renamed from Documentation/devices.txt 2007-11-14 23:51:12.000000000 -0200 +1 -0
@@ -96,6 +96,7 @@
                 11 = /dev/kmsg         Writes to this come out as printk's
                 12 = /dev/oldmem       Used by crashdump kernels to access
                                        the memory of the kernel that crashed.
+                13 = /dev/mem_notify   Low memory notification.
 
   1 block      RAM disk
                  0 = /dev/ram0         First RAM disk
drivers/char/mem.c 2007-11-20 15:16:32.000000000 -0200 renamed from drivers/char/mem.c 2007-11-14 23:50:47.000000000 -0200 +6 -0
@@ -34,6 +34,8 @@
 # include <linux/efi.h>
 #endif
 
+extern struct file_operations mem_notify_fops;
+
 /*
  * Architectures vary in how they handle caching for addresses
  * outside of main memory.
@@ -854,6 +856,9 @@
                        filp->f_op = &oldmem_fops;
                        break;
 #endif
+               case 13:
+                       filp->f_op = &mem_notify_fops;
+                       break;
                default:
                        return -ENXIO;
        }
@@ -886,6 +891,7 @@
 #ifdef CONFIG_CRASH_DUMP
        {12,"oldmem",    S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR | S_IRGRP, &oldmem_fops},
 #endif
+       {13,"mem_notify", S_IRUGO, &mem_notify_fops},
 };
 
 static struct class *mem_class;
include/linux/swap.h 2007-11-21 15:40:23.000000000 -0200 renamed from include/linux/swap.h 2007-11-14 23:51:28.000000000 -0200 +5 -0
@@ -169,6 +169,8 @@
 /* Definition of global_page_state not available yet */
 #define nr_free_pages() global_page_state(NR_FREE_PAGES)
 
+#define total_anon_pages() (global_page_state(NR_ANON_PAGES) \
+                           + total_swap_pages - total_swapcache_pages)
 
 /* linux/mm/swap.c */
 extern void FASTCALL(lru_cache_add(struct page *));
@@ -213,6 +215,9 @@
 
 extern void swap_unplug_io_fn(struct backing_dev_info *, struct page *);
 
+/* linux/mm/mem_notify.c */
+void mem_notify_userspace(void);
+
 #ifdef CONFIG_SWAP
 /* linux/mm/page_io.c */
 extern int swap_readpage(struct file *, struct page *);

diff -Nur --exclude-from=linux-2.6.24-rc2-mm1/Documentation/dontdiff linux-2.6.24-rc2-mm1.orig/mm/Makefile linux-2.6.24-rc2-mm1/mm/Makefile

mm/Makefile 2007-11-15 15:38:01.000000000 -0200 renamed from mm/Makefile 2007-11-14 23:51:07.000000000 -0200 +1 -1
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
                           page_alloc.o page-writeback.o pdflush.o \
                           readahead.o swap.o truncate.o vmscan.o \
                           prio_tree.o util.o mmzone.o vmstat.o backing-dev.o \
-                          page_isolation.o $(mmu-y)
+                          page_isolation.o mem_notify.o $(mmu-y)
 
 obj-$(CONFIG_PROC_PAGE_MONITOR) += pagewalk.o
 obj-$(CONFIG_BOUNCE)   += bounce.o
mm/mem_notify.c 2007-11-21 03:22:39.000000000 -0200 renamed from mm/mem_notify.c 1969-12-31 21:00:00.000000000 -0300 +10 -0
@@ -0,0 +1,68 @@
+/*
+ * Notify applications of memory pressure via /dev/mem_notify
+ */
+
+#include <linux/module.h>
+#include <linux/fs.h>
+#include <linux/wait.h>
+#include <linux/poll.h>
+#include <linux/timer.h>
+#include <linux/spinlock.h>

mm/mem_notify.c 2007-11-21 03:22:39.000000000 -0200 line 20

Quoted 10 lines
mm/mem_notify.c 2007-11-21 03:22:39.000000000 -0200 renamed from mm/mem_notify.c 1969-12-31 21:00:00.000000000 -0300 +10 -0
+#include <linux/mm.h>
+#include <linux/vmstat.h>
+
+static unsigned long mem_notify_status = 0;
+
+DECLARE_WAIT_QUEUE_HEAD(mem_wait);
+
+void mem_notify_userspace(void)
+{
+       mem_notify_status = 1;

Shouldn't it be a wake_up(&mem_wait) call here? It did not work in qemu emulator without it.

mm/mem_notify.c 2007-11-21 03:22:39.000000000 -0200 line 31

Quoted 11 lines
mm/mem_notify.c 2007-11-21 03:22:39.000000000 -0200 renamed from mm/mem_notify.c 1969-12-31 21:00:00.000000000 -0300 +11 -0
+}
+
+static int mem_notify_open(struct inode *inode, struct file *file)
+{
+       return 0;
+}
+
+static int  (struct inode *inode, struct file *file)
+{
+       return 0;
+}

I think we need to reset mem_notify_status in either mem_notify_open and/or mem_notify_release. If a process is killed (e.g., by the oom killer) we could be left with mem_notify_status = 1, causing a new listening application to get the notification direct when started.

Quoted 157 lines
mm/mem_notify.c 2007-11-21 03:22:39.000000000 -0200 renamed from mm/mem_notify.c 1969-12-31 21:00:00.000000000 -0300 +37 -0
+
+static unsigned int mem_notify_poll(struct file *file, poll_table *wait)
+{
+       unsigned int val = 0;
+       struct zone *zone;
+       int tpages_low, tpages_free, tpages_reserve;
+
+       tpages_low = tpages_free = tpages_reserve = 0;
+
+       poll_wait(file, &mem_wait, wait);
+
+       for_each_zone(zone) {
+               if (!populated_zone(zone))
+                       continue;
+               tpages_low += zone->pages_low;
+               tpages_free += zone_page_state(zone, NR_FREE_PAGES);
+               /* always use the reserve of the highest allocation type */
+               tpages_reserve += zone->lowmem_reserve[MAX_NR_ZONES-1];
+       }
+
+       if ((tpages_free <= tpages_low + tpages_reserve))
+               val = POLLIN;
+
+       if (mem_notify_status) {
+               mem_notify_status = 0;
+               val = POLLIN;
+       }
+
+       return val;
+}
+
+struct file_operations mem_notify_fops = {
+       .open = mem_notify_open,
+       .release = mem_notify_release,
+       .poll = mem_notify_poll,
+};
+EXPORT_SYMBOL(mem_notify_fops);
mm/vmscan.c 2007-11-21 15:41:24.000000000 -0200 renamed from mm/vmscan.c 2007-11-14 23:51:07.000000000 -0200 +47 -29
@@ -943,34 +943,9 @@
                                + zone_page_state(zone, NR_INACTIVE))*3;
 }
 
-/*
- * This moves pages from the active list to the inactive list.
- *
- * We move them the other way if the page is referenced by one or more
- * processes, from rmap.
- *
- * If the pages are mostly unmapped, the processing is fast and it is
- * appropriate to hold zone->lru_lock across the whole operation.  But if
- * the pages are mapped, the processing is slow (page_referenced()) so we
- * should drop zone->lru_lock around each page.  It's impossible to balance
- * this, so instead we remove the pages from the LRU while processing them.
- * It is safe to rely on PG_active against the non-LRU pages in here because
- * nobody will play with that bit on a non-LRU page.
- *
- * The downside is that we have to touch page->_count against each page.
- * But we had to alter page->flags anyway.
- */
-static void shrink_active_list(unsigned long nr_pages, struct zone *zone,
-                               struct scan_control *sc, int priority)
+static int should_reclaim_mapped(struct zone *zone,
+                                       struct scan_control *sc, int priority)
 {
-       unsigned long pgmoved;
-       int pgdeactivate = 0;
-       unsigned long pgscanned;
-       LIST_HEAD(l_hold);      /* The pages which were snipped off */
-       LIST_HEAD(l_inactive);  /* Pages to go onto the inactive_list */
-       LIST_HEAD(l_active);    /* Pages to go onto the active_list */
-       struct page *page;
-       struct pagevec pvec;
        int reclaim_mapped = 0;
 
        if (sc->may_swap) {
@@ -1060,6 +1035,40 @@
 force_reclaim_mapped:
                        reclaim_mapped = 1;
        }
+       return reclaim_mapped;
+}
+
+/*
+ * This moves pages from the active list to the inactive list.
+ *
+ * We move them the other way if the page is referenced by one or more
+ * processes, from rmap.
+ *
+ * If the pages are mostly unmapped, the processing is fast and it is
+ * appropriate to hold zone->lru_lock across the whole operation.  But if
+ * the pages are mapped, the processing is slow (page_referenced()) so we
+ * should drop zone->lru_lock around each page.  It's impossible to balance
+ * this, so instead we remove the pages from the LRU while processing them.
+ * It is safe to rely on PG_active against the non-LRU pages in here because
+ * nobody will play with that bit on a non-LRU page.
+ *
+ * The downside is that we have to touch page->_count against each page.
+ * But we had to alter page->flags anyway.
+ */
+static void shrink_active_list(unsigned long nr_pages, struct zone *zone,
+                               struct scan_control *sc, int priority)
+{
+       unsigned long pgmoved;
+       int pgdeactivate = 0;
+       unsigned long pgscanned;
+       LIST_HEAD(l_hold);      /* The pages which were snipped off */
+       LIST_HEAD(l_inactive);  /* Pages to go onto the inactive_list */
+       LIST_HEAD(l_active);    /* Pages to go onto the active_list */
+       struct page *page;
+       struct pagevec pvec;
+       int reclaim_mapped;
+
+       reclaim_mapped = should_reclaim_mapped(zone, sc, priority);
 
        lru_add_drain();
        spin_lock_irq(&zone->lru_lock);
@@ -1199,7 +1208,7 @@
        throttle_vm_writeout(sc->gfp_mask);
        return nr_reclaimed;
 }
-
+
 /*
  * This is the direct reclaim path, for page-allocating processes.  We only
  * try to reclaim pages from zones which will satisfy the caller's allocation
@@ -1243,7 +1252,7 @@
        }
        return nr_reclaimed;
 }
-
+
 /*
  * This is the main entry point to direct page reclaim.
  *
@@ -1414,6 +1423,7 @@
        int i;
        unsigned long total_scanned;
        unsigned long nr_reclaimed;
+       unsigned long nr_anon_pages = 0;
        struct reclaim_state *reclaim_state = current->reclaim_state;
        struct scan_control sc = {
                .gfp_mask = GFP_KERNEL,
@@ -1518,6 +1528,21 @@
                                                lru_pages);
                        nr_reclaimed += reclaim_state->reclaimed_slab;
                        total_scanned += sc.nr_scanned;
+
+                       /*
+                        * If the total number of anonymous pages is growing,
+                        * and the pressure is enough to unmap active pages,
+                        * notify userspace.
+                        */
+                       if (should_reclaim_mapped(zone, &sc, priority)) {
+                               unsigned long anon_pages = 0;

mm/vmscan.c 2007-11-21 15:41:24.000000000 -0200 line 1548

Quoted 10 lines
mm/vmscan.c 2007-11-21 15:41:24.000000000 -0200 renamed from mm/vmscan.c 2007-11-14 23:51:07.000000000 -0200 +7 -0
+                               anon_pages = nr_anon_pages;
+
+                               if (total_anon_pages() > anon_pages)
+                                       mem_notify_userspace();
+
+                               nr_anon_pages = total_anon_pages();
+                       }
                        if (zone_is_all_unreclaimable(zone))
                                continue;
                        if (nr_slab == 0 && zone->pages_scanned >=

When the page cache is filled, the notification is a bit early as the following example shows on a small system with 64 MB ram and no swap. On the first run the application can use 58 MB of anonymous pages before notification is sent. Then after the page cache is filled the test application is runned again and is only able to use 49 MB before being notified.

# cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal:        63020 kB
MemFree:         59592 kB
Buffers:           116 kB
Cached:           2088 kB
SwapCached:          0 kB
Active:           1088 kB
Inactive:         1432 kB
SwapTotal:           0 kB
SwapFree:            0 kB
Dirty:              12 kB
Writeback:           0 kB
AnonPages:         348 kB
Mapped:            680 kB
Slab:              560 kB
SReclaimable:       56 kB
SUnreclaim:        504 kB
PageTables:         60 kB
NFS_Unstable:        0 kB
Bounce:              0 kB
CommitLimit:     31508 kB
Committed_AS:     1684 kB
VmallocTotal:   974820 kB
VmallocUsed:      4100 kB
VmallocChunk:   970720 kB
# ./oomtest -t1 -s1024 -w1 -r0 -f /dev/mem_notify &
# cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal:        63020 kB
MemFree:          1656 kB
Buffers:            76 kB
Cached:           1476 kB
SwapCached:          0 kB
Active:          59660 kB
Inactive:          660 kB
SwapTotal:           0 kB
SwapFree:            0 kB
Dirty:              12 kB
Writeback:           0 kB
AnonPages:       58804 kB
Mapped:            888 kB
Slab:              584 kB
SReclaimable:       64 kB
SUnreclaim:        520 kB
PageTables:        148 kB
NFS_Unstable:        0 kB
Bounce:              0 kB
CommitLimit:     31508 kB
Committed_AS:    84496 kB
VmallocTotal:   974820 kB
VmallocUsed:      4100 kB
VmallocChunk:   970720 kB
# killall oomtest
# cat /dev/hda > /dev/null
# cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal:        63020 kB
MemFree:          1720 kB
Buffers:         55928 kB
Cached:            972 kB
SwapCached:          0 kB
Active:            944 kB
Inactive:        56288 kB
SwapTotal:           0 kB
SwapFree:            0 kB
Dirty:              12 kB
Writeback:           0 kB
AnonPages:         364 kB
Mapped:            616 kB
Slab:             3716 kB
SReclaimable:     3128 kB
SUnreclaim:        588 kB
PageTables:         60 kB
NFS_Unstable:        0 kB
Bounce:              0 kB
CommitLimit:     31508 kB
Committed_AS:     1684 kB
VmallocTotal:   974820 kB
VmallocUsed:      4100 kB
VmallocChunk:   970720 kB
# ./oomtest -t1 -s1024 -w1 -r0 -f /dev/mem_notify &
# cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal:        63020 kB
MemFree:          1760 kB
Buffers:          9012 kB
Cached:           1056 kB
SwapCached:          0 kB
Active:          50216 kB
Inactive:         9404 kB
SwapTotal:           0 kB
SwapFree:            0 kB
Dirty:              16 kB
Writeback:           0 kB
AnonPages:       49584 kB
Mapped:            824 kB
Slab:             1180 kB
SReclaimable:      624 kB
SUnreclaim:        556 kB
PageTables:        140 kB
NFS_Unstable:        0 kB
Bounce:              0 kB
CommitLimit:     31508 kB
Committed_AS:    75280 kB
VmallocTotal:   974820 kB
VmallocUsed:      4100 kB
VmallocChunk:   970720 kB

I see it as a feature to be able to throw out inactive binaries and mmaped files before getting notified about low memory. I suggest we add both this notification and my priority threshold based approach, then the users can chose which one to use.

/Daniel

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#5 lore raw
Quoted 6 lines · On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 12:23:55 +0100 "Daniel SpAJPYng" <[email protected]>…

When the page cache is filled, the notification is a bit early as the following example shows on a small system with 64 MB ram and no swap. On the first run the application can use 58 MB of anonymous pages before notification is sent. Then after the page cache is filled the test application is runned again and is only able to use 49 MB before being notified.

Excellent. Throwing away useless memory when three is still useful memory available sounds like a good idea.

Quoted 2 lines

I see it as a feature to be able to throw out inactive binaries and mmaped files before getting notified about low memory.

I think that once you get low on memory, you want a bit of both. Inactive binaries and mmaped files are potentially useful; in-process free()d memory and caches are just as potentially (dubiously) useful.

Freeing a bit of both will probably provide a good compromise between CPU and memory efficiency.

Quoted 2 lines

I suggest we add both this notification and my priority threshold based approach, then the users can chose which one to use.

That sounds like a horribly bad idea, because we run the danger of ending up with two sets of applications, both of which expect another notification type.

One type of application can cause the other to receive unfair amounts of memory pressure.

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Quoted 16 lines · Rik van Riel
Quoted 6 lines · On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 12:23:55 +0100 "Daniel Spang" <[email protected]>…

When the page cache is filled, the notification is a bit early as the following example shows on a small system with 64 MB ram and no swap. On the first run the application can use 58 MB of anonymous pages before notification is sent. Then after the page cache is filled the test application is runned again and is only able to use 49 MB before being notified.

Excellent. Throwing away useless memory when three is still useful memory available sounds like a good idea.

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I see it as a feature to be able to throw out inactive binaries and mmaped files before getting notified about low memory.

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I think that once you get low on memory, you want a bit of both. Inactive binaries and mmaped files are potentially useful; in-process free()d memory and caches are just as potentially (dubiously) useful.

Freeing a bit of both will probably provide a good compromise between CPU and memory efficiency.

I get your point, but strictly speaking, it is never freeing inactive binaries nor mapped files until all in-process cache are freed. But your argument is still valid, although a tad weaker, if you replace ``inactive binaries and mmaped files'' with ``page cache''.

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I suggest we add both this notification and my priority threshold based approach, then the users can chose which one to use.

That sounds like a horribly bad idea, because we run the danger of ending up with two sets of applications, both of which expect another notification type.

One type of application can cause the other to receive unfair amounts of memory pressure.

Sorry, I was a bit vague. I meant using two separate devices and that the programmer could chose which one to use, based on the importance of the in-process cache and hopefully decide if it is more valuable than inactive binaries mmaped files and, to some extent, page cache.

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Quoted 22 lines · On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:27:38 +0100 "Daniel SpAJPYng" <[email protected]>…
Quoted 21 lines · Rik van Riel
Quoted 6 lines · On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 12:23:55 +0100 "Daniel SpAJPYng" <[email protected]>…

When the page cache is filled, the notification is a bit early as the following example shows on a small system with 64 MB ram and no swap. On the first run the application can use 58 MB of anonymous pages before notification is sent. Then after the page cache is filled the test application is runned again and is only able to use 49 MB before being notified.

Excellent. Throwing away useless memory when three is still useful memory available sounds like a good idea.

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I see it as a feature to be able to throw out inactive binaries and mmaped files before getting notified about low memory.

I think that once you get low on memory, you want a bit of both. Inactive binaries and mmaped files are potentially useful; in-process free()d memory and caches are just as potentially (dubiously) useful.

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Freeing a bit of both will probably provide a good compromise between CPU and memory efficiency.

I get your point, but strictly speaking, it is never freeing inactive binaries nor mapped files until all in-process cache are freed. But your argument is still valid, although a tad weaker, if you replace ``inactive binaries and mmaped files'' with ``page cache''.

How can you say that when you do not know how many userland processes will get woken up, or how much memory they will free?

The kernel sends the notification in *addition* to freeing page cache, not instead of freeing page cache.

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Quoted 33 lines · Rik van Riel
Quoted 22 lines · On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:27:38 +0100 "Daniel Spang" <[email protected]>…
Quoted 21 lines · Rik van Riel
Quoted 6 lines · On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 12:23:55 +0100 "Daniel Spang" <[email protected]>…

When the page cache is filled, the notification is a bit early as the following example shows on a small system with 64 MB ram and no swap. On the first run the application can use 58 MB of anonymous pages before notification is sent. Then after the page cache is filled the test application is runned again and is only able to use 49 MB before being notified.

Excellent. Throwing away useless memory when three is still useful memory available sounds like a good idea.

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I see it as a feature to be able to throw out inactive binaries and mmaped files before getting notified about low memory.

I think that once you get low on memory, you want a bit of both. Inactive binaries and mmaped files are potentially useful; in-process free()d memory and caches are just as potentially (dubiously) useful.

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Freeing a bit of both will probably provide a good compromise between CPU and memory efficiency.

I get your point, but strictly speaking, it is never freeing inactive binaries nor mapped files until all in-process cache are freed. But your argument is still valid, although a tad weaker, if you replace ``inactive binaries and mmaped files'' with ``page cache''.

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How can you say that when you do not know how many userland processes will get woken up, or how much memory they will free?

The kernel sends the notification in *addition* to freeing page cache, not instead of freeing page cache.

Ok, ``never freeing'' and ``all in-process cache'' was a slight exaggeration. However, I did some tests that show that if a process, polling on the device and able to free some memory rather quickly, not much mmaped file backed memory will be thrown out after each notification.

Note that I'm not against this early notification per se, just that I think there is a need for a later notification too.

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