WELCOME to the new mailing list

Hello everybody,

after the automatic notice you should have received telling you that you have been subscribed to the new U-Boot mailing list, I would like to welcome you here, too.

From now on, the old mailing list at SourceForge should be considered obsolete. Please post new messages only to the new mailing list address:

u-boot at lists.denx.de

Thanks.

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

DENX Software Engineering GmbH,     MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd at denx.de
In general, they do what you want, unless you want consistency.
                                    - Larry Wall in the perl man page

Hi,

Unless there is a plan to bring the sourceforge archives to the new host, it might be helpful to include a link back to the old archives. They are a great resource, and I'm certain there will be many questions wondering where to find them...

Cheers,
-Kelsey

Negative  Ghostrider - the pattern is full

There is a plan :-)

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

DENX Software Engineering GmbH,     MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd at denx.de
So we follow our wandering paths, and the very darkness acts  as  our
guide and our doubts serve to reassure us. - Jean-Pierre de Caussade,
eighteenth-century Jesuit priest

Hi Wolfgang and all,

I don't know what is the culprit, but Wolfgang's mails always lack of
Reference: field, thus they always break my thread view of Thunderbird. I confirmed this behavior with Tb at Windows, Tb at Linux and Tb at Mac.

And I expected a new list might fix this problem, but it seems not. Does anyone know what is the problem and how do I work around?

Thanks in advance,

Shinya

Dear Shinya,

I'm using a mailer that builds on MH (nmh, to be exact); it will insert appropriate "In-reply-to:" headers, but not "References:" fields.

I was not aware that this might be a problem - nobody ever told me yet, so thanks for pointing this out.

Let me try something...

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

DENX Software Engineering GmbH,     MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd at denx.de
Every time history repeats itself the price goes up.

Dear Shinya,

Please check if this is better now...

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

DENX Software Engineering GmbH,     MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd at denx.de
Common sense and a sense of humor  are  the  same  thing,  moving  at
different speeds.  A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
                                                        - Clive James

Great, it works. This will help me/us to track the list easier.

Thanks a lot,

Shinya

Dear Shinya Kuribayashi,

You are welcome. The problem was that I never updated my replcomps file since initial installation many, many years ago (long before the invention of threading).

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

DENX Software Engineering GmbH,     MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd at denx.de
It is dangerous to be right on a subject  on  which  the  established
authorities are wrong.                                    -- Voltaire

Subject line tags in the transition to the new mailing list server:

u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net generates [U-Boot-Users]. u-boot at lists.denx.de generates a [U-Boot].

Messages with just [U-Boot-Users] in the subject line implies it was handled by u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net. If this is the case, let the SF server handle the thread to completion! This is an implication of the sentence "Please post new messages only to the new mailing list address".

Messages with both [U-Boot-Users] and [U-Boot] in the subject line implies it was handled by both by u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net and later handled by u-boot at lists.denx.de. Such messages should have stayed on the u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net to completion. Should they be switched back to the u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net server or would that mess up the archiving of messages even more? I'm assuming that it is desirable to have complete threads on either of the two mailing list servers and not split threads between them.

Never send messages to both servers simultaneously. Everyone on the mailing list may get duplicate messages as a result.

Messages with only [U-Boot] in the subject line implies that the thread started on the u-boot at lists.denx.de server. The thread will stay on this server unless someone manually switches it to the old server or their mail client is severely misconfigured. Never switch a thread that started on the new server back to the old server. I have _not_ noticed this yet.

Please correct me, if I've misunderstood the transition plan for switching to the new u-boot at lists.denx.de mailing list server.

Sincerely,

Ken Fuchs

New messages != new threads, and I'd assume the "only" applies to "mailing list address", not "new messages".

-Scott

Dear Ken.Fuchs at bench.com,

That's intentional, as the new list's name is "u-boot" (and not "u-boot-users" any more. I felt the "-users" part was wrong, as this list is at least as much intended for developers.

This is not necessary. Threading should continue to work even when you continue on the new list. Same holds for the archive, I hope (but this has not been recovered yet).

Actually it means what it says.

NO, this should be avoided. Please STOP posting to the SF list!

Do not send messages to the old list any more, please.

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

DENX Software Engineering GmbH,     MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd at denx.de
Let the programmers be many and the managers few -- then all will  be
productive.               -- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming"

A mailing list server typically only archives messages that it actually serves, so a separate archiving server subscribed to both lists would be needed to ensure entire threads are archived together whose messages have been split between the u-boot-users and u-boot mailing list servers.

It doesn't necessarily mean what you thought it meant:

It says "new" messages implying that non-new messages can be posted as well (A valid interpretation of a new message is a message with a _new_ topic/subject, starting a _new_ thread; a valid interpretation of non-new messages is responses to old messages).

Even the simplest message can be easily misinterpreted, because natural languages are imprecise and depend on the experiences of the receiver of the message even more than experiences of the sender (eye of the beholder).

If the intention was that everyone post _all_ messages to the new server then the following sentence would have been clearer:

"Please post _all_ messages to the new mailing list address".

--- Unrelated topic ----

The new mailing list server is perhaps broken in the same way as the old server:

Your response to my post was sent directly to me without the [U-Boot] tag in the subject line. My Mailman profile is configured such that the server must send all mailing list messages to me despite my address already being in a To or CC header. However, the old server didn't do this and neither does the new server.

Has anyone else experienced this same problem with the new server?

Sincerely,

Ken Fuchs

Dear Ken.Fuchs at bench.com,

Typically. Assume that the mailing list archive on list.denx.de will include the old archives from SF, too. It doesn't yet, but it will.

I though it to mean what it says it means :-)

Non-new messages would mean to re-send old messages - that its obviously is pretty stupid thing to do.

No. A new message is a new message, independent of any thread it belongs to, wheter this may be an old, existing thread r a new one.

I strongly disagree. You have to send a new message to respond to an old one.

What makes you think the mailing list server is to blame for that? If I send a message to you, with the list on cc:, the list server has no chance of interfering with the message I send to you.

Are you absolutely sure that the list server is doing this? And not your own mail server on your receiving end?

None that I know of.

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

DENX Software Engineering GmbH,     MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd at denx.de
Brain fried - Core dumped

Wolfgang Denk ha scritto:

Thank you
seema that I'm still receiving messages mixed between both lists. Do I have to unsubscribe sourceforge one ?
TIA

Best regards
--
/marco cavallini

Dear Marco Cavallini,

Yes, a few people still post to the old list. I think that trafic on the old list will go down quickly.

No.

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

DENX Software Engineering GmbH,     MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd at denx.de
I still miss my ex-wife, but my aim is getting better.