filesystems.5: Update & wfix
cover filesystems.5: Update & wfix
Hi Michael,
Please merge these patches.
Thanks,
Alex
Ahelenia Ziemiańska (2):
filesystems.5: fix link to user space tooling for ncpfs filesystems.5: note ncpfs removal from kernel
наб (1):
filesystems.5: wfix: ntfs: remove FAT comparison
man5/filesystems.5 | 12 ++++++------ 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
base-commit: 300ef55cf2eebc7b123fba48a40bb05a14e261e2
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2.29.2
PATCH 1/3 filesystems.5: fix link to user space tooling for ncpfs
From: Ahelenia Ziemiańska <[email protected]>
Corresponds to Linux commit 1b83df308f69a5a3cc59be03bd7fb23e4bcebd8e
--- man5/filesystems.5 | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
man5/filesystems.5 +1 -1
@@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ Novell NetWare. To use .BR ncpfs , you need special programs, which can be found at -.UR ftp://linux01.gwdg.de\:/pub\:/ncpfs +.UR ftp://ftp.gwdg.de\:/pub\:/linux\:/misc\:/ncpfs .UE . .TP .B nfs
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2.29.2
Re: [PATCH 1/3] filesystems.5: fix link to user space tooling for ncpfs
Hello Alex and Ahelenia,
Quoted 6 lines · Alejandro Colomar
From: Ahelenia Ziemiańska <[email protected]>
Corresponds to Linux commit
1b83df308f69a5a3cc59be03bd7fb23e4bcebd8eSigned-off-by Ahelenia Ziemiańska <[email protected]>Signed-off-by Alejandro Colomar <[email protected]>
Patch applied.
Thanks,
Michael
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--- man5/filesystems.5 | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)man5/filesystems.5 +1
-1@@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ Novell NetWare. To use .BR ncpfs , you need special programs, which can be found at -.UR ftp://linux01.gwdg.de\:/pub\:/ncpfs +.UR ftp://ftp.gwdg.de\:/pub\:/linux\:/misc\:/ncpfs .UE . .TP .B nfs
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Michael Kerrisk Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/
PATCH 2/3 filesystems.5: note ncpfs removal from kernel
In reply to Alejandro ColomarFrom: Ahelenia Ziemiańska <[email protected]>
Relevant Linux commits:
* moved to staging in 1bb8155080c652c4853e6228f8f0d262b3049699 (describe: v4.15-rc1-129-g1bb8155080c6) in Nov 2017, described as "broken" and "obsolete"
* purged in bd32895c750bcd2b511bf93917bf7ae723e3d0b6 (describe: v4.17-rc3-1010-gbd32895c750b) in Jun 2018, "since no one has complained or even noticed it was gone"
--- man5/filesystems.5 | 5 +++-- 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
man5/filesystems.5 +3 -2
@@ -152,8 +152,9 @@ filenames can be no longer than 8 characters, followed by an optional period and 3 character extension. .TP .B ncpfs -is a network filesystem that supports the NCP protocol, used by -Novell NetWare. +is a network filesystem that supports the NCP protocol, +used by Novell NetWare. +It was was removed from the kernel in 4.17. .IP To use .BR ncpfs ,
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2.29.2
Re: [PATCH 2/3] filesystems.5: note ncpfs removal from kernel
Quoted 10 lines · Alejandro Colomar
From: Ahelenia Ziemiańska <[email protected]>
Relevant Linux commits:
* moved to staging in1bb8155080c652c4853e6228f8f0d262b3049699(describe: v4.15-rc1-129-g1bb8155080c6) in Nov 2017, described as "broken" and "obsolete"
* purged inbd32895c750bcd2b511bf93917bf7ae723e3d0b6(describe: v4.17-rc3-1010-gbd32895c750b) in Jun 2018, "since no one has complained or even noticed it was gone"
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Signed-off-by Ahelenia Ziemiańska <[email protected]>Signed-off-by Alejandro Colomar <[email protected]>
Thanks! Patch applied.
Cheers,
Michael
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--- man5/filesystems.5 | 5 +++-- 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)man5/filesystems.5 +3
-2@@ -152,8 +152,9 @@ filenames can be no longer than 8 characters, followed by an optional period and 3 character extension. .TP .B ncpfs -is a network filesystem that supports the NCP protocol, used by -Novell NetWare. +is a network filesystem that supports the NCP protocol, +used by Novell NetWare. +It was was removed from the kernel in 4.17. .IP To use .BR ncpfs ,
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Michael Kerrisk Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/
PATCH 3/3 filesystems.5: wfix: ntfs: remove FAT comparison
In reply to Alejandro ColomarFrom: наб <[email protected]>
The main point I was driving at with this patch was to fix "Microsoft Window's FAT filesystems" (i.e. FAT filesystems which belong
to Microsoft Window, which is decidedly wrong).
FAT32 first shipped with MS-DOS 7.1, as part of Windows 95 OSR2, but it's a (relatively) simple logical extension of the previous FATx filesystems (16 and 12 as we know and love them today,
I don't think the PC ever saw 8), hence the "VFAT" driver name ‒
calling FAT-anything a Windows filesystem would be a flat-out lie, calling it a Microsoft filesystem would be, uh, facetious.
NTFS (as part of Windows NT), on the other hand, is wholly different WRT the scope and feature-set (it does borrow some layouting from FAT,
but reading NTFS as FAT doesn't get you very far, or much).
The replacing bit is also questionable, especially in a.d. 2020:
while it is true that you cannot install NT on FAT (after a certain
point? my memory ain't what it used to be), and must therefore
replace your existing FAT partitions with NTFS during upgrades; Windows NT 4.0, the last product to be NT-branded came out in 1996, i.e. you could not install Windows on FAT (and, therefore,
upgrade it to NTFS, replacing it) during my entire lifetime.
Indeed, in $(date +%Y) we live in a post-NTFS world ‒ putting NTFS in the same class as FAT beyond "is a filesystem" is a joke.
--- man5/filesystems.5 | 5 ++--- 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
man5/filesystems.5 +2 -3
@@ -166,9 +166,8 @@ you need special programs, which can be found at is the network filesystem used to access disks located on remote computers. .TP .B ntfs -replaces Microsoft Window's FAT filesystems (VFAT, FAT32). -It has reliability, performance, and space-utilization enhancements -plus features like ACLs, journaling, encryption, and so on. +is the filesystem native to Microsoft Windows NT, +supporting features like ACLs, journaling, encryption, and so on. .TP .B proc is a pseudo filesystem which is used as an interface to kernel data
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2.29.2
Re: [PATCH 3/3] filesystems.5: wfix: ntfs: remove FAT comparison
Hello Alex and наб
Quoted 25 lines · Alejandro Colomar
From: наб <[email protected]>
The main point I was driving at with this patch was to fix "Microsoft Window's FAT filesystems" (i.e. FAT filesystems which belong
to Microsoft Window, which is decidedly wrong).FAT32 first shipped with MS-DOS 7.1, as part of Windows 95 OSR2, but it's a (relatively) simple logical extension of the previous FATx filesystems (16 and 12 as we know and love them today,
I don't think the PC ever saw 8), hence the "VFAT" driver name ‒
calling FAT-anything a Windows filesystem would be a flat-out lie, calling it a Microsoft filesystem would be, uh, facetious.NTFS (as part of Windows NT), on the other hand, is wholly different WRT the scope and feature-set (it does borrow some layouting from FAT,
but reading NTFS as FAT doesn't get you very far, or much).The replacing bit is also questionable, especially in a.d. 2020:
while it is true that you cannot install NT on FAT (after a certain
point? my memory ain't what it used to be), and must therefore
replace your existing FAT partitions with NTFS during upgrades; Windows NT 4.0, the last product to be NT-branded came out in 1996, i.e. you could not install Windows on FAT (and, therefore,
upgrade it to NTFS, replacing it) during my entire lifetime.
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Indeed, in $(date +%Y) we live in a post-NTFS world ‒ putting NTFS in the same class as FAT beyond "is a filesystem" is a joke.
Signed-off-by Ahelenia Ziemiańska <[email protected]>Signed-off-by Alejandro Colomar <[email protected]>
Thanks. Patch applied. I cleaned up the commit message a little (removed leading white spaces, formatted to 66 columns as per the man-pages norm).
Cheers,
Michael
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--- man5/filesystems.5 | 5 ++--- 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)man5/filesystems.5 +2
-3@@ -166,9 +166,8 @@ you need special programs, which can be found at is the network filesystem used to access disks located on remote computers. .TP .B ntfs -replaces Microsoft Window's FAT filesystems (VFAT, FAT32). -It has reliability, performance, and space-utilization enhancements -plus features like ACLs, journaling, encryption, and so on. +is the filesystem native to Microsoft Windows NT, +supporting features like ACLs, journaling, encryption, and so on. .TP .B proc is a pseudo filesystem which is used as an interface to kernel data
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Michael Kerrisk Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/
Re: [PATCH 3/3] filesystems.5: wfix: ntfs: remove FAT comparison
[removed some CCs]
Quoted 4 lines · Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
Hello Alex and наб
Quoted 1 line · Alejandro Colomar
From: наб <[email protected]>
[...]
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Signed-off-by Ahelenia Ziemiańska <[email protected]>Signed-off-by Alejandro Colomar <[email protected]>Thanks. Patch applied. I cleaned up the commit message a little (removed leading white spaces, formatted to 66 columns as per the man-pages norm).
Hi Michael,
Where is that 66 col norm?
I've only found 75 for code in general (in man-pages(7)), but not 66 for the commit msg.
Thanks,
Alex
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Cheers,
Michael
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Alejandro Colomar Linux man-pages comaintainer; https://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ http://www.alejandro-colomar.es/
Re: [PATCH 3/3] filesystems.5: wfix: ntfs: remove FAT comparison
Hi Alejandro,
Quoted 17 lines · Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
[removed some CCs]
Quoted 4 lines · Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
Hello Alex and наб
Quoted 1 line · Alejandro Colomar
From: наб <[email protected]>
[...]
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Signed-off-by Ahelenia Ziemiańska <[email protected]>Signed-off-by Alejandro Colomar <[email protected]>Thanks. Patch applied. I cleaned up the commit message a little (removed leading white spaces, formatted to 66 columns as per the man-pages norm).
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Hi Michael,
Where is that 66 col norm?
I've only found 75 for code in general (in man-pages(7)), but not 66 for the commit msg.
True. It's not documented anywhere. It's a limit that I apply so that the changelog that I produce fits in 80 columns (66 = 80 - 2 * 8-space indents). I quite frequently reformat patches for that limit. Don't feel obliged to follow that, but I'll probably reformat your commit messages :-).
Cheers,
Michael
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Michael Kerrisk Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/