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Async IO using threads

DISCUSSION Reza Roboubi 2 participants 4 messages Feb 27, 2002 – Mar 1, 2002

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SUMMARY:

Basically, I'm trying to do async io through a SCHED_FIFO thread with high priority reading the disk, and the other less prioritized thread doing "real" work. But I can't get _nearly_ enough out of the CPU while reading the disk with the other thread. It is just intolerably inefficient and I _hope_ that I am making a mistake.
Any ideas on how this should work are appreciated.

MORE INFO (only if you must have it):

I read much of the async io / kio discussion on the LK mailing list. Finally
Linus concluded that threading _is_ the way to go for now(2001 I believe).

First, I have kernel 2.2.16 (RedHat 6.2). If this has been corrected
in the 2.4, then please let me know, but I think not.

On my system, "raw" read()ing a large chunk of the /dev/hda5 partition shows that reading a page (4k) takes about 230000 clock "ticks" which is the cpu effort required for 23 context switches. So I figure if the disk generates the "io available" interrupt once every 4k chunk (this might be the bad assumption), then linux has plenty time to do several switches between the interrupt handler, and the high priority SCHED_FIFO process, and the low priority SCHED_FIFO process, and still have time for plenty useful work at the user level, and time to get back to handle the io request. During this read(), I should be able to use at _least_ 50% of my CPU. But I get much less than 10 percent!! Why??

If there is anything that should be done to the kernel, please let me know as I'd certainly be very willing to help. How exactly _does_ this scheduling and io thing work? Is there some "jiffy" that _must_ expire before Linux switches and lets my other thread do useful work? If so, then how do you shorten it? Or is it that my IDE disk is very
lousy? Then what are the parameters I should consider in an IDE disk
and how do I tell what I have?? Or is this simply a bad and pending Linux bug?
(hard to believe)

Or maybe my test code is faulty (unlikely also.)

(Test code at http://www.linisoft.com/test/async.c .)

Please reply to me directly.

Thanks in advance for any insight.

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Hello,
I tried your program on my system (P3 800MHz/256Meg ram, IDE harddrive with UDMA enabled, 2.4.17-rmap12f) with minor changes: I used a file instead of a raw device. after creating file (64Mega bytes) and flushing read cache (writing another huge file with DD on same filesystem), this is what happened:
A normal read test (for speed measurements).
[root@masouds1 bsd]# time cat mytest > /dev/null

real    0m1.771s
user    0m0.020s
sys     0m0.280s

---
So, 1.7 sec. total time to read data from file. Now, I flushed cache again and ran your test program:
[root@masouds1 bsd]# ./async
useful CPU work 1 at time(secs, micro-secs) 1014831058 173783
useful CPU work 80848 at time(secs, micro-secs) 1014831059 776664
useful CPU work 1216070 at time(secs, micro-secs) 1014831069 786353

Between number 2 and 3, your program sleeps 10 seconds. That would be 121607 counters each second. Now, when reader-thread and worker-thread are both running, you get 80000 counts for 1.6 seconds where you should get 1.6 * 121607 = 194570. That is a 33% of CPU power. and remember that lots of time is consumed during copying 64 megabytes of data to user buffer (let alone kernel moving it around and context switches).
So I believe there isn't a bug in recent version of Linux kernel. Unless I'm way off track!
Can you run same test I did and report results here?

Masoud
PS: make sure you are not running your IDE drive in PIO mode.

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SUMMARY:

Basically, I'm trying to do async io through a SCHED_FIFO thread with
high priority reading the disk, and the other less prioritized thread
doing "real" work. But I can't get _nearly_ enough out of the CPU while
reading the disk with the other thread. It is just intolerably inefficient and I _hope_ that I am making a mistake. Any ideas on how this should work are appreciated.

MORE INFO (only if you must have it):

I read much of the async io / kio discussion on the LK mailing list. Finally Linus concluded that threading _is_ the way to go for now(2001 I believe).

First, I have kernel 2.2.16 (RedHat 6.2). If this has been corrected
in the 2.4, then please let me know, but I think not.

On my system, "raw" read()ing a large chunk of the /dev/hda5 partition shows that reading a page (4k) takes about 230000 clock "ticks" which is the cpu effort required for 23 context switches. So I figure if the disk generates the "io available" interrupt once every 4k chunk (this might be the bad assumption), then linux has plenty time to do several switches between the interrupt handler, and the high priority SCHED_FIFO process, and the low priority SCHED_FIFO process, and still have time for plenty useful work at the user level, and time to get back to handle the io request. During this read(), I should be able to use at _least_ 50% of my CPU. But I get much less than 10 percent!! Why??

If there is anything that should be done to the kernel, please let me
know as I'd certainly be very willing to help. How exactly _does_
this scheduling and io thing work? Is there some "jiffy" that _must_
expire before Linux switches and lets my other thread do useful work? If so, then how do you shorten it? Or is it that my IDE disk is very
lousy? Then what are the parameters I should consider in an IDE disk
and how do I tell what I have?? Or is this simply a bad and pending
Linux bug?
(hard to believe)

Or maybe my test code is faulty (unlikely also.)

(Test code at http://www.linisoft.com/test/async.c .)

Please reply to me directly.

Thanks in advance for any insight.

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Masoud,

First let me thank you for reading and running my test code on your system. I greatly appreciate that. It's so good to see a man with hard numbers as opposed to just "speaches." Your response has been extremely helpful.

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PS: make sure you are not running your IDE drive in PIO mode.

This one line tip of yours was probably more helpful to me than many hours of heart-bleeding M$ support can be to some people.

You reminded me that long ago, due to system instability, I had turned down some of my BIOS features. They could have caused the kernel to set my hda settings conservatively. Turns out, that not only dma was
off, but also "multiple read" was set to one. But the dma did the
major change:

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a raw device. after creating file (64Mega bytes) and flushing read cache (writing another huge file with DD on same filesystem), this is what happened:
A normal read test (for speed measurements).
[root@masouds1 bsd]# time cat mytest > /dev/null

real    0m1.771s
user    0m0.020s
sys     0m0.280s

---

I got:

[root in ~]$ time cat /scratch0/big > /dev/null 0.53user 3.12system 0:09.35elapsed 39%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k
0inputs+0outputs (25214major+14minor)pagefaults 0swaps

This is probably much better than I had before (big = 102 MB).

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So, 1.7 sec. total time to read data from file. Now, I flushed cache again and ran your test program:
[root@masouds1 bsd]# ./async
useful CPU work 1 at time(secs, micro-secs) 1014831058 173783
useful CPU work 80848 at time(secs, micro-secs) 1014831059 776664
useful CPU work 1216070 at time(secs, micro-secs) 1014831069 786353

I get:
[root in /home/reza/backup/tmpwork/tests/linux_timings]$ ./async.out
useful CPU work 1 at time(secs, micro-secs) 1014905754 12224
useful CPU work 240204 at time(secs, micro-secs) 1014905758 8111
useful CPU work 1082083 at time(secs, micro-secs) 1014905768 15236

(using raw, NOT cache)

This is 0.63% efficiency. It is beautiful. Note that this answers my
basic question, that I had known all along anyways: Making my code complex to take advantage of multi-threading is most certainly worth it.

Now, I did the test again, this time using fifos for doing the "real work", this is less efficient, and gives about 0.45% of the CPU back during another thread's read(2).

Intuition suggests that this can still be better, because I also did tests for memcpy and thread context switching under Linux, and Linux is very efficient in these areas (my machine can do roughly 400k context switches in the 4 seconds it took to read that ~50MB chunk (see test above)) This appeasr to be excellent performance (on the micro second scale anyways). And one might figure that the CPU does not need 55% of it's power sustaining a few inter-thread context switches and copies during read(large_chunk). But my tests are small chunks of code. when things get large, as they are in the kernel, I can see constant factors like TLB updates and such adding up.

I can see how valuable it would be to put aside some time and study the ide driver source, and the kernel in general. At least when one wants something specific, like the Google servers, one probably can find ways to tailor the kernel and get more out of it. Maybe much more for something real specific. No WONDER Google would choose Linux. It is impossible to customize any closed source os that way.

In any case, for any more questions in this regard, the source code and the LK archives should be my reference. But your great help got me beautifully into the order of magnitude I wanted.

Thank you so much, again.

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