Windows 3.1 Support
Hello.
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The docs on setting it up would be pretty similar right?
I think so.
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Does the setup program for MS Windows also work now in Dosemu?
To my great surprise no it doesn't, it still has the same problem as WinOS2 had...
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What versions are currently tested?
(Both 3.1, 3.11 and Workgroups, non-Workgroups?)
3.11 and "Windows for Workgroups" is the same thing AFAIK.
Both 3.1 and 3.11 are known to work.
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Are you sure there aren't any extra advantages with this?
I don't know. People seem to not like WinOS2, but as for me there are no advantages in avoiding it at all. It may even be a little faster as it doesn't need the virtualization of LDT.
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I cannot run
MS-DOS programs from within WinOS/2 for example. I always thought this was a WinOS/2 limitation.
It appears not. This is the limitation of both FreeDOS and dosemu. FreeDOS can be improved, but dosemu will have to provide the whole lot of VxD code to allow the concurrent DOS sessions. Such a code is not in Wine, neither it is documented. So unless someone is to invest some *real* work into it (like Win4Lin guys did), I'd say there are no hopes. But hey, that's silly:) You can just start multiple xdosemu sessions and get much more reliable environment that the one of Win3.1.
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Also I tried to install a game in MS Windows at some point (Phantasmagoria) and it didn't work. I also couldn't play the videos that came with it.
There are many things to improve in windows support. You may start filling up the bug reports on it, but right now there are still many known problems to work out, so the bugs will have to wait (on BTS).
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move towards win95 support, but nothing more.
That would be really great of course :)
Dosemu would be pretty similar to Win4Lin then I think.
Win4Lin did a great work. Dosemu is unlikely to catch up. But running win95 with the very limited capabilities would also be nice.
Btw, it may be possible already I think. AFAIK some very early Chicago betas were able to boot in 3.1 mode (by executing win31.exe IIRC). Later the kernel was reworked and the 3.1 mode was abandonned. I think this may even run under dosemu. But getting such a Windows looks problematic these days.
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Hmm, was it also possible with WinOS/2 to play videos?
Depends on dosemu version I think. Since 1.2.2 it might be possible.
Stas Sergeev schreef:
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What versions are currently tested?
(Both 3.1, 3.11 and Workgroups, non-Workgroups?)3.11 and "Windows for Workgroups" is the same thing AFAIK.
Both 3.1 and 3.11 are known to work.
I also used to think this, till I came across disk images of Windows 3.11 and Windows for Workgroups 3.1 on Usenet.
I still had the ones for Windows for Workgroups 3.1 on my comp, so I'd thought I'd try them out. Here are some screenshots I created a couple of minutes ago using VMware:
http://middelvinger.student.utwente.nl/screenshots/
I also came across this page from MS:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q114301/
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Are you sure there aren't any extra advantages with this?
I don't know. People seem to not like WinOS2, but as for me there are no advantages in avoiding it at all. It may even be a little faster as it doesn't need the virtualization of LDT.
I think the reason many people don't like it, is because it seemed less compatible (while that may not be true, since the problems weren't with WinOS/2 but with Dosemu). Other reasons might be that you would need to get os2win31.zip and mess with some stuff before it works.
There might also be people that would like to use Windows 3.1 in a situation, where licenses and stuff is important. (And you need an OS/2 license according to the Dosemu documentation for WinOS/2.)
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I cannot run
MS-DOS programs from within WinOS/2 for example. I always thought this was a WinOS/2 limitation.
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It appears not. This is the limitation of both FreeDOS and dosemu. FreeDOS can be improved, but dosemu will have to provide the whole lot of VxD code to allow the concurrent DOS sessions. Such a code is not in Wine, neither it is documented. So unless someone is to invest some *real* work into it (like Win4Lin guys did), I'd say there are no hopes. But hey, that's silly:) You can just start multiple xdosemu sessions and get much more reliable environment that the one of Win3.1.
Hmm, yes this indeed isn't really necessairy. I'm using PC DOS 2k instead of FreeDOS btw.
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Also I tried to install a game in MS Windows at some point (Phantasmagoria) and it didn't work. I also couldn't play the videos that came with it.
There are many things to improve in windows support. You may start filling up the bug reports on it, but right now there are still many known problems to work out, so the bugs will have to wait (on BTS).
Win32s support would be really nice btw, because many newer applications seem to depend on it. Hopefully I'll have a clean Windows install soon in Dosemu and I'll be able to do some testing.
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move towards win95 support, but nothing more.
That would be really great of course :)
Dosemu would be pretty similar to Win4Lin then I think.Win4Lin did a great work. Dosemu is unlikely to catch up. But running win95 with the very limited capabilities would also be nice.
Btw, it may be possible already I think. AFAIK some very early Chicago betas were able to boot in 3.1 mode (by executing win31.exe IIRC). Later the kernel was reworked and the 3.1 mode was abandonned. I think this may even run under dosemu. But getting such a Windows looks problematic these days.
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Hmm, was it also possible with WinOS/2 to play videos?
Depends on dosemu version I think. Since 1.2.2 it might be possible.
Video for Windows currently seems to hang for me with Dosemu 1.3.1. That might be because I removed some stuff from some ini at some point because I got errors about it though. I've also installed other junk in my Windows install, which is why it is kind of messy. That Chicago stuff sounds very interesting. I've seen it several times on Usenet, so I'll watch out for it :)
What I also always found weird was that the setup of Windows 98 uses the Windows 3.1 style (only with different colors). I'm wondering how much of Windows 3.1 is actually still in there.
Julius
Windows 3.11 did actually escape before the Workgroup features were added but this was very short lived. I'm not sure Microsoft even released 3.11 as if my memory is correct the Windows without Workgroups I saw was from a third party company. Perhaps Zenith. I may even have this kicking around somewhere. At any rate perhaps you can enlighten me as to why one would want to run 3.1 instead of WFW3.11. Also, does the networking function. i.e. can I connect to say a Win98 server?
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me as to why one would want to run 3.1 instead of WFW3.11. Also,
does the networking function. i.e. can I connect to say a Win98 server?
Because windoze 3.1 can run in 'standard' mode.
windoze-for-workgroups insists on 386-enhanced (386 protected mode).
I'm not 100% sure how 386 control programs like QEMM386 ''dealt'' with
windoze-3.0/3.1/3.11 'protected mode' (QEMM386 definitely takes account of it, though).
Maybe qemm386 ''cooperates'' // becomes-a-slave using VCPI
(virtual control program interface) with win386, giving windoze 'full control 'over the 386. That situation is NOT acceptable inside DosEmu, etc. ...
However, if win386 can run under DPMI (e.g. qdpmi.sys, cwsdpmi,
dosemu, dosbox (?)) [DOS protected mode interface], then windoze is being a ''slave'' to DPMI. Iirc. win386 doesn't support this.
Anyway, for running inside an environment like dosemu (unless dosemu
takes particular precautions // workarounds for win386), 386 protected mode is NOT SUITABLE for working inside dosemu (i.e. Linux/similar is a '386 control program', and so is win386, and only 1 program can be in control of the 386 at any time).
I do not now how standard mode (286 protected mode) works, either, so
tbh. I'm not sure how that would work inside dosemu, either! argh!
-S Iremonger <[email protected]>
Hello.
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does the networking function. i.e. can I connect to say a Win98 server?
Yes, the networking can work via dosemu's packet driver support. You need winpkt.com on the DOS side and Trumpet Winsock (or something else that supports the packet driver) on a Windows side.