EDE Elk ´s
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I have a Toshiba 1100+ laptop too and after some hiccups was able to install ELKS last year on it. The laptop has only 720KB floppy drives though. I have not tried installing any TCP/IP ELKS work or any compilers, just the basic ELKS stuff.
The biggest problem is getting a 1.44MB floppy drive to write a 720KB floppy without making errors.
so i gave up after a while and ran kermit using MSDOS and used a null modem to connect to a Linux box.
Has anyone been able to get the TCP/IP stuff for ELKS working on any machine <286 ?
Hi Vikas,
I'm glad to hear you got around the 720 floppy problem. I have the tcpip stack installed and once or twice, I have been able to pull something from the webserver via a slip connection over serial cable. It works but not consistently.
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Glad to hear at least a couple of people out there are using elks. I just rescued a t1100+ from a recycling pile, and have elks working on it pretty well. Patrick, I was glad to find your website, it inspired me to rescue this ancient laptop, and the disks you posted there helped me get started (though I'm not sure how to make boot floppies from the toshiba dos files you have on there). A couple of questions for anyone using elks:
I am trying to get a development environment going on the toshiba. as86 and ld86 run fine on them. Has anyone had luck compiling/running bcc and libc in elks? I want to be able to do development on the system I am developing for!
Also, what are people using in the way of editors? vi and elvis don't really seem to work. I like e3-16 but it is disgustingly slow on this machine.
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:52:02 -0500
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thanks in advance. I guess i doesn't surprise me that there isn't too much active development to revive 1986 technology (is the 8086 still in production?)
Forrest
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You are right, Patrick was a great help. He even made an effort to scan the original Toshiba 1100+ manual for me because it wasnt working at all for me :) Thanks Patrick.
And "pfengland" (sorry dude, don't know your name) "Real programmers use cat to edit files" :)
have you tried pico or joe or ed. I have not so I am just enquiring. I have some questions for you, did you install as86 and ld86 separately or did it come with your ELKS root image install ?
To burn the Toshiba DOS files on the floppy, I would suggest using rawrite programs for windows. U can also use dd on linux but i havent tried that.
I have also found a version of Elisa - the Lisp program wihch talks to u- and ran it on the toshiba 1100+ successfully :)
There are other things people on this group can try, there is this kernel called Movitz which is a Lisp kernel written for the x86 processor. I have run it on Bochs (open source Virtual machine software) but not on Toshiba1100+ yet.. maybe i willl play around .
If you ever get your development environment running, or even if it is partially running could you and everyone else who has been successful in doing that please post some instructions :) It would save us a lot of time if we want to do it and we can collaborate more in creating applications for ELKS or any other 8086 clone.
Thanks and regards
Vikas
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Glad to hear at least a couple of people out there are using elks. I just rescued a t1100+ from a recycling pile, and have elks working on it pretty well. Patrick, I was glad to find your website, it inspired me to rescue this ancient laptop, and the disks you posted there helped me get started (though I'm not sure how to make boot floppies from the toshiba dos files you have on there). A couple of questions for anyone using elks:
I am trying to get a development environment going on the toshiba. as86 and ld86 run fine on them. Has anyone had luck compiling/running bcc and libc in elks? I want to be able to do development on the system I am developing for!
Also, what are people using in the way of editors? vi and elvis don't really seem to work. I like e3-16 but it is disgustingly slow on this machine.
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Hi Vikas,
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If you ever get your development environment running, or even if it is partially running could you and everyone else who has been successful in doing that please post some instructions :) It would save us a lot of time if we want to do it and we can collaborate more in creating applications for ELKS or any other 8086 clone.
I think it is more important to sort out the archive list and perhaps also the website (at least have a 2006 entry such as "we are still alive" :-). Without an updated archive list and/or website potential hobbyists/developers are turned away and the results is what we have currently, a few emails a year.
Last year I asked who is in charge of the website but I got no reply. I also emailed the maintainer of the website (CC'd again on this email) but also got no reply. Miguel Bolanos offered to start the ball rolling but as far as I know nothing happened. I am not complaining since we are all busy but fixing the archive list should take that long.
So lets ask the question again, who is in charge of the website/archive list?
RHW, if you are on-line could you please fix the archive link?
Thanks,
Hans.
www.ht-lab.com
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From: "Miguel Bolanos" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 6:30 AM
Subject: Help Wanted!
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Greetings to all,
As you may have noticed the project has been stuck for quite a while, i am looking forward to bring it back to life, but and would like to ask for some help, obviously coders are very welcome, but also people willing to help writing docs, and even people looking forward to help us create a new look for the project website.
Looking forward to hear back from you.
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regards
Miguel.
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Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: EDE Elk´s
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You are right, Patrick was a great help. He even made an effort to scan the original Toshiba 1100+ manual for me because it wasnt working at all for me :) Thanks Patrick.
And "pfengland" (sorry dude, don't know your name) "Real programmers use cat to edit files" :)
have you tried pico or joe or ed. I have not so I am just enquiring. I have some questions for you, did you install as86 and ld86 separately or did it come with your ELKS root image install ?To burn the Toshiba DOS files on the floppy, I would suggest using rawrite programs for windows. U can also use dd on linux but i havent tried that.
I have also found a version of Elisa - the Lisp program wihch talks to u- and ran it on the toshiba 1100+ successfully :)There are other things people on this group can try, there is this kernel called Movitz which is a Lisp kernel written for the x86 processor. I have run it on Bochs (open source Virtual machine software) but not on Toshiba1100+ yet.. maybe i willl play around .
If you ever get your development environment running, or even if it is partially running could you and everyone else who has been successful in doing that please post some instructions :) It would save us a lot of time if we want to do it and we can collaborate more in creating applications for ELKS or any other 8086 clone.
Thanks and regards
VikasQuoted 6 lines · On 4/27/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
Glad to hear at least a couple of people out there are using elks. I just rescued a t1100+ from a recycling pile, and have elks working on it pretty well. Patrick, I was glad to find your website, it inspired me to rescue this ancient laptop, and the disks you posted there helped me get started (though I'm not sure how to make boot floppies from the toshiba dos files you have on there).
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A couple of questions for anyone using elks:
I am trying to get a development environment going on the toshiba. as86 and ld86 run fine on them. Has anyone had luck compiling/running bcc and libc in elks? I want to be able to do development on the system I am developing for!
Also, what are people using in the way of editors? vi and elvis don't really seem to work. I like e3-16 but it is disgustingly slow on this machine.
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There are other things people on this group can try, there is this kernel called Movitz which is a Lisp kernel written for the x86 processor. I have run it on Bochs (open source Virtual machine software) but not on Toshiba1100+ yet.. maybe i willl play around .
Looks like Movitz is ia32 only, I'm afraid --- so it probably won't work on ia16 machines (a.k.a i86).
Have you tried Minix 2? It will run quite happily on an 8086 with 640kB of RAM, although it does tend to run out of memory if you do too much stuff. It might be able to talk to the Toshiba's EMS system for swap space, though. It'll give you a Unix-alike that while being rather slower than ELKS, is considerably more mature. (Dual-booting Minix and ELKS might be rather useful if you want to do ELKS development. It ought to be possible to cross-compile ELKS from Minix.) It's also got a big library of software designed to run in a split 64/64 address space, which means it should be easy to port to ELKS.
With regard to the mailing list and other resources (CVS, etc), it might be worth considering relocating wholesale to Sourceforge...
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Re: EDE Elk´s
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Have you tried Minix 2? It will run quite happily on an 8086 with 640kB of RAM, although it does tend to run out of memory if you do too much stuff. It might be able to talk to the Toshiba's EMS system for swap space, though.
Minix 2.0.2 as sooner will run on 8086/640k, even with TCP/IP. However
it uses lots of memory for the kernel and basic programs (getty, sh,...) so it lets only a couple of 64k spaces for user programs.
In 2.0.3 (?) they included a swap mechanism... but it used even more
meory, getting it unusable at all for 640k computers.
They said it will be a target for future releases, but it seems Minix3
is a higher prioirity now.
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It'll give you a Unix-alike that while being rather
slower than ELKS, is considerably more mature. (Dual-booting Minix and ELKS might be rather useful if you want to do ELKS development. It ought to be possible to cross-compile ELKS from Minix.) It's also got a big library of software designed to run in a split 64/64 address space, which means it should be easy to port to ELKS.
In fact, many of the user programs we have in elks are proted from
minix by elks developers.
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RHW, if you are on-line could you please fix the archive link?
Someone else will have to take over the website maintenance...
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Oh my god, I didn't know that happened.
That's terrible news.
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In reply to Michael McConnellIf he is indeed the person in the article than I am very sorry to hear that, perhaps we should try to add a tribute to him on the ELKS website?
Hans
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RHW, if you are on-line could you please fix the archive link?
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If he is indeed the person in the article than I am very sorry to hear that, perhaps we should try to add a tribute to him on the ELKS website?
I can personally confirm that it is him. I was at university with him at Aberdeen and he was a friend of mine. The dead-tree edition (which I saw a photocopy of the article) also had his picture.
-- Michael
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RHW, if you are on-line could you please fix the archive link?
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Hi
My sincere condolences to all those who knew Riley. It is a great loss for ELKS users group.
So is anyone volunteering to revive the website ?
Regards,
Vikas
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If he is indeed the person in the article than I am very sorry to hear that, perhaps we should try to add a tribute to him on the ELKS website?
I can personally confirm that it is him. I was at university with him at Aberdeen and he was a friend of mine. The dead-tree edition (which I saw a photocopy of the article) also had his picture.
-- Michael
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