lifeview pci trio (saa7134) not working through diseqc anymore

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here's what i got from scanning........

switch 1 (astra 28.2E)

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scan -s 1 /home/servidor/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/dvb-s/Astra-28.2E

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tune to: 10729:v:1:22000

0x0000 0x206c: pmt_pid 0x0100 BSkyB -- E4+1 (running)

switch 2 (astra 19E)
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scan -s 2 /home/servidor/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/dvb-s/Astra-19.2E

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tune to: 10788:v:2:22000

0x0000 0x283d: pmt_pid 0x0100 BSkyB -- BBC 1 W Mids (running)

And it doesn't matter if i run "scan -s 1" or "scan -s 2" or "scan -s 3", it will always scan from "switch 1"

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here's what i got from scanning........

switch 1 (astra 28.2E)

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scan -s 1 /home/servidor/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/dvb-s/Astra-28.2E

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tune to: 10729:v:1:22000

0x0000 0x206c: pmt_pid 0x0100 BSkyB -- E4+1 (running)

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switch 2 (astra 19E)
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scan -s 2 /home/servidor/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/dvb-s/Astra-19.2E

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tune to: 10788:v:2:22000

0x0000 0x283d: pmt_pid 0x0100 BSkyB -- BBC 1 W Mids (running)

You are correct, this is a transponder at 28E2 which shares freq,pol+sr with 19E2...

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And it doesn't matter if i run "scan -s 1" or "scan -s 2" or "scan -s 3", it will always scan from "switch 1"

Try with -s 0; I'm not sure if it is always the case, but my unhacked scan' uses 0-3 for DiSEqC positions 1/4 to 4/4 -- I've hacked this to use the range of 1-4 on all my scan' and related tuning/streaming utilities.

Personally, I prefer `0' to mean no DiSEqC at all, A/B as appropriate, and 1-4 to match all consumer equipment I've got my hands on (or A-D), but that's me...

barry bouwsma

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And it doesn't matter if i run "scan -s 1" or "scan -s 2" or "scan -s 3", it will always scan from "switch 1"

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Try with -s 0; I'm not sure if it is always the case, but my unhacked `scan' uses 0-3 for DiSEqC positions 1/4 to 4/4 -- I've hacked this to use the range of 1-4

hi, thanks for anwsering.
I've already tried that.
remember, on switch 1 i've got astra 28.2E and on switch 2 i've got astra 19E

I don't why but it looks like it doesn't know how to switch to "switch 2"

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And it doesn't matter if i run "scan -s 1" or "scan -s 2" or "scan -s 3", it will always scan from "switch 1"

Try with -s 0; I'm not sure if it is always the case, but my unhacked `scan' uses 0-3 for DiSEqC positions 1/4 to 4/4 -- I've hacked this to use the range of 1-4

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hi, thanks for anwsering.
I've already tried that.
remember, on switch 1 i've got astra 28.2E and on switch 2 i've got astra 19E

I realized soon after sending my reply, that I had probably confused myself about which inputs you had where, and my advice, while partly correct, wouldn't help...

Anyway -- the important thing to remember, is that if your `scan' works as I expect and your kernel modules work properly and you have a 2/1 DiSEqC switch, that scan -s option...
0 -- will tune to position 1/2;
1 -- will tune to position 2/2;
2 -- will cycle back and tune position 1/2;
3 -- will again tune position 2/2
4 -- should spit a warning, I think (something does)

In other words -- if your system worked properly, -s 1' would give you 19E2 and -s 2' would give you 28E; the opposite of your switch labels.

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I don't why but it looks like it doesn't know how to switch to "switch 2"

If I understand from your original post (re-reading it; as soon as people start posting distribution or system details my eyes sort of glaze over, while other people will get an `aha!' moment that shall remain elusive to me)...

An older kernel version + modules worked;
an update of those modules broke DiSEqC;
your original kernel and modules didn't support your card.

What I would suggest -- keeping in mind that the dvb kernel modules, which you should see with `lsmod', are where you should find correct support, are probably in some package unknown to me which you'd need to downgrade -- would be to either revert, if possible, whatever contains those modules, or jump ahead several kernel versions.

If you feel comfortable compiling and installing a newer kernel (which is now around the 2.6.28 area), you could do that.

Alternatively, and possibly better, would be to upgrade only the linux-dvb kernel modules, building them against your 2.6.24-era kernel source, which you may need to download and install.

It's simple to download and build the latest linux-dvb modules even against a 2.6.24 kernel, and that should make things work -- if not, then something's been broken for a while, and some expert should be able to help you.

barryb ouwsma

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And it doesn't matter if i run "scan -s 1" or "scan -s 2" or "scan -s 3", it will always scan from "switch 1"

Try with -s 0; I'm not sure if it is always the case, but my unhacked `scan' uses 0-3 for DiSEqC positions 1/4 to 4/4 -- I've hacked this to use the range of 1-4

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hi, thanks for anwsering.
I've already tried that.
remember, on switch 1 i've got astra 28.2E and on switch 2 i've got astra 19E

I realized soon after sending my reply, that I had probably confused myself about which inputs you had where, and my advice, while partly correct, wouldn't help...

Anyway -- the important thing to remember, is that if your `scan' works as I expect and your kernel modules work properly and you have a 2/1 DiSEqC switch, that scan -s option...
0 -- will tune to position 1/2;
1 -- will tune to position 2/2;
2 -- will cycle back and tune position 1/2;
3 -- will again tune position 2/2
4 -- should spit a warning, I think (something does)

In other words -- if your system worked properly, -s 1' would give you 19E2 and -s 2' would give you 28E; the opposite of your switch labels.

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I don't why but it looks like it doesn't know how to switch to "switch 2"

If I understand from your original post (re-reading it; as soon as people start posting distribution or system details my eyes sort of glaze over, while other people will get an `aha!' moment that shall remain elusive to me)...

An older kernel version + modules worked;
an update of those modules broke DiSEqC;
your original kernel and modules didn't support your card.

What I would suggest -- keeping in mind that the dvb kernel modules, which you should see with `lsmod', are where you should find correct support, are probably in some package unknown to me which you'd need to downgrade -- would be to either revert, if possible, whatever contains those modules, or jump ahead several kernel versions.

If you feel comfortable compiling and installing a newer kernel (which is now around the 2.6.28 area), you could do that.

Alternatively, and possibly better, would be to upgrade only the linux-dvb kernel modules, building them against your 2.6.24-era kernel source, which you may need to download and install.

It's simple to download and build the latest linux-dvb modules even against a 2.6.24 kernel, and that should make things work -- if not, then something's been broken for a while, and some expert should be able to help you.

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Hi again,

and thanks for the info.

Unfortunately, diseqc seems broken, because no matter what i try

-s 0, 1 , 2 ,3.... i get 28.2E signal

however, 4 shows an error, as you said.

It used to work... so i'll try to get back or compile new linux-dvb module as you suggested.

i'm really really newbie in this, i'm using kubuntu, so imagine.... hahahaha.

i don't even know how to get started, i barely install thing by "apt-get"

i'll try to find the way or post instead my problem in an ubuntu forum.

thanks for the info.

Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 10.12.2008, 20:45 +0100 schrieb Jordi Molse:

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And it doesn't matter if i run "scan -s 1" or "scan -s 2" or "scan -s 3", it will always scan from "switch 1"

Try with -s 0; I'm not sure if it is always the case, but my unhacked `scan' uses 0-3 for DiSEqC positions 1/4 to 4/4 -- I've hacked this to use the range of 1-4

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hi, thanks for anwsering.
I've already tried that.
remember, on switch 1 i've got astra 28.2E and on switch 2 i've got astra 19E

I realized soon after sending my reply, that I had probably confused myself about which inputs you had where, and my advice, while partly correct, wouldn't help...

Anyway -- the important thing to remember, is that if your `scan' works as I expect and your kernel modules work properly and you have a 2/1 DiSEqC switch, that scan -s option...
0 -- will tune to position 1/2;
1 -- will tune to position 2/2;
2 -- will cycle back and tune position 1/2;
3 -- will again tune position 2/2
4 -- should spit a warning, I think (something does)

In other words -- if your system worked properly, -s 1' would give you 19E2 and -s 2' would give you 28E; the opposite of your switch labels.

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I don't why but it looks like it doesn't know how to switch to "switch 2"

If I understand from your original post (re-reading it; as soon as people start posting distribution or system details my eyes sort of glaze over, while other people will get an `aha!' moment that shall remain elusive to me)...

An older kernel version + modules worked;
an update of those modules broke DiSEqC;
your original kernel and modules didn't support your card.

What I would suggest -- keeping in mind that the dvb kernel modules, which you should see with `lsmod', are where you should find correct support, are probably in some package unknown to me which you'd need to downgrade -- would be to either revert, if possible, whatever contains those modules, or jump ahead several kernel versions.

If you feel comfortable compiling and installing a newer kernel (which is now around the 2.6.28 area), you could do that.

Alternatively, and possibly better, would be to upgrade only the linux-dvb kernel modules, building them against your 2.6.24-era kernel source, which you may need to download and install.

It's simple to download and build the latest linux-dvb modules even against a 2.6.24 kernel, and that should make things work -- if not, then something's been broken for a while, and some expert should be able to help you.

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barryb ouwsma

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Hi again,

and thanks for the info.

Unfortunately, diseqc seems broken, because no matter what i try

-s 0, 1 , 2 ,3.... i get 28.2E signal

however, 4 shows an error, as you said.

It used to work... so i'll try to get back or compile new linux-dvb module as you suggested.

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i'm really really newbie in this, i'm using kubuntu, so imagine.... hahahaha.

i don't even know how to get started, i barely install thing by "apt-get"

i'll try to find the way or post instead my problem in an ubuntu forum.

thanks for the info.

we need a report at least from 2.6.25 or current v4l-dvb from linuxtv.org.

Prior to this patch
http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-June/018741.html
the Trio failed for 13 Volts and tone generation.
Don't have the hardware, but would expect BBC 1 London to work and BBC 1 CI to fail.

This patch disabled some lnpb21 boards, which have that one connected in such a way, that diseqc forwarding is disabled. They need it from the tda10086.

This was fixed by Hartmut with suggestions from Patrick to make it a config option, if the tda10086 or the LNB chip in question is active.

All saa7134 DVB-S drivers have this option as diseqc = 0 in the config currently and it should be right for the Trio too and the isl6421 should forward.

For looking at Ubuntu stuff, they downport a lot of things, because always late with kernel releases, we need the exact sources to diff against.

I still have only that single dish for initially helping Hartmut with the isl6405 devel, but no rotors and switches yet and might be not of much help.

Cheers,
Hermann

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Am Mittwoch, den 10.12.2008, 20:45 +0100 schrieb Jordi Molse:

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And it doesn't matter if i run "scan -s 1" or "scan -s 2" or "scan -s 3", it will always scan from "switch 1"

Try with -s 0; I'm not sure if it is always the case, but my unhacked `scan' uses 0-3 for DiSEqC positions 1/4 to 4/4 -- I've hacked this to use the range of 1-4

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hi, thanks for anwsering.
I've already tried that.
remember, on switch 1 i've got astra 28.2E and on switch 2 i've got astra 19E

I realized soon after sending my reply, that I had probably confused myself about which inputs you had where, and my advice, while partly correct, wouldn't help...

Anyway -- the important thing to remember, is that if your `scan' works as I expect and your kernel modules work properly and you have a 2/1 DiSEqC switch, that scan -s option...
0 -- will tune to position 1/2;
1 -- will tune to position 2/2;
2 -- will cycle back and tune position 1/2;
3 -- will again tune position 2/2
4 -- should spit a warning, I think (something does)

In other words -- if your system worked properly, -s 1' would give you 19E2 and -s 2' would give you 28E; the opposite of your switch labels.

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I don't why but it looks like it doesn't know how to switch to "switch 2"

If I understand from your original post (re-reading it; as soon as people start posting distribution or system details my eyes sort of glaze over, while other people will get an `aha!' moment that shall remain elusive to me)...

An older kernel version + modules worked;
an update of those modules broke DiSEqC;
your original kernel and modules didn't support your card.

What I would suggest -- keeping in mind that the dvb kernel modules, which you should see with `lsmod', are where you should find correct support, are probably in some package unknown to me which you'd need to downgrade -- would be to either revert, if possible, whatever contains those modules, or jump ahead several kernel versions.

If you feel comfortable compiling and installing a newer kernel (which is now around the 2.6.28 area), you could do that.

Alternatively, and possibly better, would be to upgrade only the linux-dvb kernel modules, building them against your 2.6.24-era kernel source, which you may need to download and install.

It's simple to download and build the latest linux-dvb modules even against a 2.6.24 kernel, and that should make things work -- if not, then something's been broken for a while, and some expert should be able to help you.

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barryb ouwsma

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http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb

Hi again,

and thanks for the info.

Unfortunately, diseqc seems broken, because no matter what i try

-s 0, 1 , 2 ,3.... i get 28.2E signal

however, 4 shows an error, as you said.

It used to work... so i'll try to get back or compile new linux-dvb module as you suggested.

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i'm really really newbie in this, i'm using kubuntu, so imagine.... hahahaha.

i don't even know how to get started, i barely install thing by "apt-get"

i'll try to find the way or post instead my problem in an ubuntu forum.

thanks for the info.

we need a report at least from 2.6.25 or current v4l-dvb from linuxtv.org.

Prior to this patch
http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-June/018741.html
the Trio failed for 13 Volts and tone generation.
Don't have the hardware, but would expect BBC 1 London to work and BBC 1 CI to fail.

This patch disabled some lnpb21 boards, which have that one connected in such a way, that diseqc forwarding is disabled. They need it from the tda10086.

This was fixed by Hartmut with suggestions from Patrick to make it a config option, if the tda10086 or the LNB chip in question is active.

All saa7134 DVB-S drivers have this option as diseqc = 0 in the config currently and it should be right for the Trio too and the isl6421 should forward.

For looking at Ubuntu stuff, they downport a lot of things, because always late with kernel releases, we need the exact sources to diff against.

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I still have only that single dish for initially helping Hartmut with the isl6405 devel, but no rotors and switches yet and might be not of much help.

Cheers,
Hermann

hi,

thanks for the info. I agree that in ubuntu there seem always to be "unfinished" things and then rush many things into "stable" releases when "it's time".

Anyway....

i tried to upgrade the system from "hardy" to "intrepid", which meant a lot of ports upgraded, including kernel
2.6.27.9.13

that thing you say...

"All saa7134 DVB-S drivers have this option as diseqc = 0 in the config

currently and it should be right for the Trio too and the isl6421 should forward."

is there any way i can try this? is there any config file i can edit to make that happen (to make diseqc work)?

i'm not a experienced user ,but i've got the card and i'm really willing to help in any posible way.

just let me know what i can do.

thanks.

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And it doesn't matter if i run "scan -s 1" or "scan -s 2" or "scan -s 3", it will always scan from "switch 1"

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Try with -s 0; I'm not sure if it is always the case, but my unhacked `scan' uses 0-3 for DiSEqC positions 1/4 to 4/4 -- I've hacked this to use the range of 1-4

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hi, thanks for anwsering.
I've already tried that.
remember, on switch 1 i've got astra 28.2E and on switch 2 i've got astra 19E

I realized soon after sending my reply, that I had probably confused myself about which inputs you had where, and my advice, while partly correct, wouldn't help...

Anyway -- the important thing to remember, is that if your `scan' works as I expect and your kernel modules work properly and you have a 2/1 DiSEqC switch, that scan -s option...
0 -- will tune to position 1/2;
1 -- will tune to position 2/2;
2 -- will cycle back and tune position 1/2;
3 -- will again tune position 2/2
4 -- should spit a warning, I think (something does)

In other words -- if your system worked properly, -s 1' would give you 19E2 and -s 2' would give you 28E; the opposite of your switch labels.

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I don't why but it looks like it doesn't know how to switch to "switch 2"

If I understand from your original post (re-reading it; as soon as people start posting distribution or system details my eyes sort of glaze over, while other people will get an `aha!' moment that shall remain elusive to me)...

An older kernel version + modules worked;
an update of those modules broke DiSEqC;
your original kernel and modules didn't support your card.

What I would suggest -- keeping in mind that the dvb kernel modules, which you should see with `lsmod', are where you should find correct support, are probably in some package unknown to me which you'd need to downgrade -- would be to either revert, if possible, whatever contains those modules, or jump ahead several kernel versions.

If you feel comfortable compiling and installing a newer kernel (which is now around the 2.6.28 area), you could do that.

Alternatively, and possibly better, would be to upgrade only the linux-dvb kernel modules, building them against your 2.6.24-era kernel source, which you may need to download and install.

It's simple to download and build the latest linux-dvb modules even against a 2.6.24 kernel, and that should make things work -- if not, then something's been broken for a while, and some expert should be able to help you.

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barryb ouwsma

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Hi again,

and thanks for the info.

Unfortunately, diseqc seems broken, because no matter what i try

-s 0, 1 , 2 ,3.... i get 28.2E signal

however, 4 shows an error, as you said.

It used to work... so i'll try to get back or compile new linux-dvb module as you suggested.

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i'm really really newbie in this, i'm using kubuntu, so imagine.... hahahaha.

i don't even know how to get started, i barely install thing by "apt-get"

i'll try to find the way or post instead my problem in an ubuntu forum.

thanks for the info.

we need a report at least from 2.6.25 or current v4l-dvb from linuxtv.org.

Prior to this patch
http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-June/018741.html
the Trio failed for 13 Volts and tone generation.
Don't have the hardware, but would expect BBC 1 London to work and BBC 1 CI to fail.

This patch disabled some lnpb21 boards, which have that one connected in such a way, that diseqc forwarding is disabled. They need it from the tda10086.

This was fixed by Hartmut with suggestions from Patrick to make it a config option, if the tda10086 or the LNB chip in question is active.

All saa7134 DVB-S drivers have this option as diseqc = 0 in the config currently and it should be right for the Trio too and the isl6421 should forward.

For looking at Ubuntu stuff, they downport a lot of things, because always late with kernel releases, we need the exact sources to diff against.

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I still have only that single dish for initially helping Hartmut with the isl6405 devel, but no rotors and switches yet and might be not of much help.

Cheers,
Hermann

hi,

thanks for the info. I agree that in ubuntu there seem always to be "unfinished" things and then rush many things into "stable" releases when "it's time".

Anyway....

i tried to upgrade the system from "hardy" to "intrepid", which meant a lot of ports upgraded, including kernel
2.6.27.9.13

that thing you say...

"All saa7134 DVB-S drivers have this option as diseqc = 0 in the config

currently and it should be right for the Trio too and the isl6421 should forward."

is there any way i can try this? is there any config file i can edit to make that happen (to make diseqc work)?

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i'm not a experienced user ,but i've got the card and i'm really willing to help in any posible way.

just let me know what i can do.

thanks.

Hi,

on that 2.6.27 "BBC 1 London" _and_ "BBC 1 CI" or equivalent at least should work on 28.2. It does for me on lnpb21 and isl6405.

If something is still left for the switch then, either way connected, we can start to scratch our heads or pull hair later, seems to me.

Cheers,
Hermann

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would you mind telling me what linux system are you working with? i'm desperate for this to work, i will change to any distro that makes diseqc work.

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would you mind telling me what linux system are you working with? i'm desperate for this to work, i will change to any distro that makes diseqc work.

If you are willing to get your hands dirty with kernel source and possibly a source-control system, then you may be able to get a working system, without the need to change distributions -- maybe.

The drawback to the convenience of packaged distributions is that they are frozen at a particular point in time, which can lock you out of improvements. That's one of the tradeoffs for the convenience about not having to worry about these things, which is great, when it works.

The linux-dvb source should be self-contained for all that you need to get your device working. (But not always...) So, the easiest way would be for you to build the linux-dvb source as modules against your present kernel version, whatever that may be.

This will also allow you to go back in time, should your device fail to work with the latest source, and go back to the point where it did work -- and thereby help the developers to get the latest source to work again.

Anyway, you will need to update/download... the sources for the kernel you are using
the latest linux-dvb source or tarball

The latter can be found at
http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb/archive/tip.tar.bz2
or, slightly larger,
http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb/archive/tip.tar.gz

This is the latest source; if you look around the linuxtv.org site, you will also see a way to download the entire history of the source which will help you go back in time -- such as I've done today in order to try to see if my production 2.6.14-ish machine can use the last useable release without problems.

Are you comfortable working with the command line? I hope so, because that's exclusively what I use. When you've downloaded one of the above archives, you'll need to extract it into a suitable playground, perhaps like
% cd ~/
% mkdir src
% cd src
% tar z(or j or y)xvf ~/tip.tar.(whatever)
% cd (whatever-has-been-created)
% make

This expects you to have downloaded the source for your kernel as well -- if you're unsure of how to get this, someone familiar with your distribution should be able to help, if there isn't anything on the wiki to give details of building this.

If you don't have the proper kernel source, your attempt to `make' will fail with lots of complaints.

If you do have the source, it's also possible your attempted `make' will fail, and probably someone here or elsewhere can help fix what's needed (if the source is not found where it is expected, for example)

If all goes will, you will have the very latest kernel modules that support your device, and can try them, to see if they work, or if there are still problems.

barry bouwsma

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would you mind telling me what linux system are you working with? i'm desperate for this to work, i will change to any distro that makes diseqc work.

If you are willing to get your hands dirty with kernel source and possibly a source-control system, then you may be able to get a working system, without the need to change distributions -- maybe.

The drawback to the convenience of packaged distributions is that they are frozen at a particular point in time, which can lock you out of improvements. That's one of the tradeoffs for the convenience about not having to worry about these things, which is great, when it works.

The linux-dvb source should be self-contained for all that you need to get your device working. (But not always...) So, the easiest way would be for you to build the linux-dvb source as modules against your present kernel version, whatever that may be.

This will also allow you to go back in time, should your device fail to work with the latest source, and go back to the point where it did work -- and thereby help the developers to get the latest source to work again.

Anyway, you will need to update/download... the sources for the kernel you are using
the latest linux-dvb source or tarball

The latter can be found at
http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb/archive/tip.tar.bz2
or, slightly larger,
http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb/archive/tip.tar.gz

This is the latest source; if you look around the linuxtv.org site, you will also see a way to download the entire history of the source which will help you go back in time -- such as I've done today in order to try to see if my production 2.6.14-ish machine can use the last useable release without problems.

Are you comfortable working with the command line? I hope so, because that's exclusively what I use. When you've downloaded one of the above archives, you'll need to extract it into a suitable playground, perhaps like
% cd ~/
% mkdir src
% cd src
% tar z(or j or y)xvf ~/tip.tar.(whatever)
% cd (whatever-has-been-created)
% make

This expects you to have downloaded the source for your kernel as well -- if you're unsure of how to get this, someone familiar with your distribution should be able to help, if there isn't anything on the wiki to give details of building this.

If you don't have the proper kernel source, your attempt to `make' will fail with lots of complaints.

If you do have the source, it's also possible your attempted `make' will fail, and probably someone here or elsewhere can help fix what's needed (if the source is not found where it is expected, for example)

If all goes will, you will have the very latest kernel modules that support your device, and can try them, to see if they work, or if there are still problems.

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barry bouwsma

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hi,

thanks for all the information provided, it's great!!..

i'm not and experienced user, but i get along well with command shell, and i'm able to run gcc and install thing form the scratch.

i'll give a try to see if i can compile and use those modules you suggest.

i'll report back with what i've found.

thanks.

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well... i did what i could....

i extracted the files and run "make". everything worked fine. The problem was that i didn't now how to "load" that new compiled module instead of the "default one"

i mean.... if i run "modprobe saa7134"_dvb i'm accessing to the default module that comes with the kernel. is that right? so... i didn't how to load the new module.

and "make install" so that i could load the new module by just doing "modproe saa7134_dvb". is this right?

[  240.715593] saa7134: disagrees about version of symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32

[  240.715604] saa7134: Unknown symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32
[  240.776343] saa7134_dvb: Unknown symbol saa7134_tuner_callback
[  240.776410] saa7134_dvb: Unknown symbol saa7134_ts_register
[  240.776643] saa7134_dvb: Unknown symbol saa7134_set_gpio
[  240.776703] saa7134_dvb: Unknown symbol saa7134_ts_qops
[  240.776845] saa7134_dvb: Unknown symbol saa7134_i2c_call_clients
[  240.776983] saa7134_dvb: Unknown symbol saa7134_ts_unregister

any idea how to fix this?

En/na hermann pitton ha escrit:

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Am Donnerstag, den 11.12.2008, 02:02 +0100 schrieb Jordi Molse:

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En/na hermann pitton ha escrit:

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Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 10.12.2008, 20:45 +0100 schrieb Jordi Molse:

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En/na BOUWSMA Barry ha escrit:

Quoted 84 lines · Jordi Moles Blanco

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And it doesn't matter if i run "scan -s 1" or "scan -s 2" or "scan -s 3", it will always scan from "switch 1"

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Try with -s 0; I'm not sure if it is always the case, but my unhacked `scan' uses 0-3 for DiSEqC positions 1/4 to 4/4 -- I've hacked this to use the range of 1-4

Quoted 6 lines

hi, thanks for anwsering.
I've already tried that.
remember, on switch 1 i've got astra 28.2E and on switch 2 i've got astra 19E

I realized soon after sending my reply, that I had probably confused myself about which inputs you had where, and my advice, while partly correct, wouldn't help...

Anyway -- the important thing to remember, is that if your `scan' works as I expect and your kernel modules work properly and you have a 2/1 DiSEqC switch, that scan -s option...
0 -- will tune to position 1/2;
1 -- will tune to position 2/2;
2 -- will cycle back and tune position 1/2;
3 -- will again tune position 2/2
4 -- should spit a warning, I think (something does)

In other words -- if your system worked properly, -s 1' would give you 19E2 and -s 2' would give you 28E; the opposite of your switch labels.

Quoted 4 lines

I don't why but it looks like it doesn't know how to switch to "switch 2"

If I understand from your original post (re-reading it; as soon as people start posting distribution or system details my eyes sort of glaze over, while other people will get an `aha!' moment that shall remain elusive to me)...

An older kernel version + modules worked;
an update of those modules broke DiSEqC;
your original kernel and modules didn't support your card.

What I would suggest -- keeping in mind that the dvb kernel modules, which you should see with `lsmod', are where you should find correct support, are probably in some package unknown to me which you'd need to downgrade -- would be to either revert, if possible, whatever contains those modules, or jump ahead several kernel versions.

If you feel comfortable compiling and installing a newer kernel (which is now around the 2.6.28 area), you could do that.

Alternatively, and possibly better, would be to upgrade only the linux-dvb kernel modules, building them against your 2.6.24-era kernel source, which you may need to download and install.

It's simple to download and build the latest linux-dvb modules even against a 2.6.24 kernel, and that should make things work -- if not, then something's been broken for a while, and some expert should be able to help you.

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barryb ouwsma

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Hi again,

and thanks for the info.

Unfortunately, diseqc seems broken, because no matter what i try

-s 0, 1 , 2 ,3.... i get 28.2E signal

however, 4 shows an error, as you said.

It used to work... so i'll try to get back or compile new linux-dvb module as you suggested.

Quoted 11 lines

i'm really really newbie in this, i'm using kubuntu, so imagine.... hahahaha.

i don't even know how to get started, i barely install thing by "apt-get"

i'll try to find the way or post instead my problem in an ubuntu forum.

thanks for the info.

we need a report at least from 2.6.25 or current v4l-dvb from linuxtv.org.

Prior to this patch
http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-June/018741.html
the Trio failed for 13 Volts and tone generation.
Don't have the hardware, but would expect BBC 1 London to work and BBC 1 CI to fail.

This patch disabled some lnpb21 boards, which have that one connected in such a way, that diseqc forwarding is disabled. They need it from the tda10086.

This was fixed by Hartmut with suggestions from Patrick to make it a config option, if the tda10086 or the LNB chip in question is active.

All saa7134 DVB-S drivers have this option as diseqc = 0 in the config currently and it should be right for the Trio too and the isl6421 should forward.

For looking at Ubuntu stuff, they downport a lot of things, because always late with kernel releases, we need the exact sources to diff against.

Quoted 14 lines

I still have only that single dish for initially helping Hartmut with the isl6405 devel, but no rotors and switches yet and might be not of much help.

Cheers,
Hermann

hi,

thanks for the info. I agree that in ubuntu there seem always to be "unfinished" things and then rush many things into "stable" releases when "it's time".

Anyway....

i tried to upgrade the system from "hardy" to "intrepid", which meant a lot of ports upgraded, including kernel
2.6.27.9.13

that thing you say...

"All saa7134 DVB-S drivers have this option as diseqc = 0 in the config

currently and it should be right for the Trio too and the isl6421 should forward."

is there any way i can try this? is there any config file i can edit to make that happen (to make diseqc work)?

Quoted 8 lines

i'm not a experienced user ,but i've got the card and i'm really willing to help in any posible way.

just let me know what i can do.

thanks.

Hi,

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on that 2.6.27 "BBC 1 London" _and_ "BBC 1 CI" or equivalent at least should work on 28.2. It does for me on lnpb21 and isl6405.

If something is still left for the switch then, either way connected, we can start to scratch our heads or pull hair later, seems to me.

Cheers,
Hermann

hi,

well.. it doesn't work in my case.... double and triple checked, hehehe.... are you using the same card lifeview trio or another one with the same chip?

would you mind telling me what linux system are you working with? i'm desperate for this to work, i will change to any distro that makes diseqc work.

Thanks.

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well... i did what i could....

Thanks, that I did not have to explain how to find the kernel source :-)

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i extracted the files and run "make". everything worked fine. The problem was that i didn't now how to "load" that new compiled module instead of the "default one"

If you want to do it the way I do, which is to test the newly-built kernel modules without actually installing them (in case I have more problems with the new than with the old), the way I do it is...

% lsmod
(lists all the loaded kernel modules)

then I `rmmod' every module related to my particular device and dvb/video/whatever is related, if I've been updating that part of the source.

Then I load by hand, specifying the path to the modules I've just built, like

# insmod /usr/local/src/v4l-dvb-last-before-2.6.16/v4l/[modname].ko

Keeping an eye on `dmesg' to show dependencies, which you have experienced below...

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i mean.... if i run "modprobe saa7134"_dvb i'm accessing to the default module that comes with the kernel. is that right? so... i didn't how to load the new module.

Yes, this is correct. If you do not care to keep your old modules, you can do a

# make install
which should overwrite your old distro modules with the
new ones you've built, as you have done below...

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and "make install" so that i could load the new module by just doing "modproe saa7134_dvb". is this right?

[  240.715593] saa7134: disagrees about version of symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32

I've seen this before on the list, but personally I don't know the precise solution -- check the archives, if someone else doesn't provide the answer.

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[  240.715604] saa7134: Unknown symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32
[  240.776343] saa7134_dvb: Unknown symbol saa7134_tuner_callback
[  240.776410] saa7134_dvb: Unknown symbol saa7134_ts_register
[  240.776643] saa7134_dvb: Unknown symbol saa7134_set_gpio
[  240.776703] saa7134_dvb: Unknown symbol saa7134_ts_qops
[  240.776845] saa7134_dvb: Unknown symbol saa7134_i2c_call_clients
[  240.776983] saa7134_dvb: Unknown symbol saa7134_ts_unregister

For the unknown symbols, as I mentioned above, that means that needed modules aren't loaded -- as I note, the way I do things (not recommended!) is to load everything manually, mainly because I want to test new hacks without losing my old modules.

I would then have to

# insmod /path/to/new/modules/[related-module].ko
where the related-modules are usually listed in the
`lsmod' output -- or else I just guess and load
anything that looks interesting and relevant.

As a wild guess, you need to load
...drivers/media/video/compat_ioctl32.ko
in order to get v4l_compat_ioctl32;
...drivers/media/video/saa7134/saa7134.ko
probably contains the various saa7134_foo symbols which are needed by saa7134_dvb...

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any idea how to fix this?

Check the mailing list archives, is my suggestion, since my personal answer is `no', not having experienced this myself...

Anyway, I'm happy that you're able to work your way through this without too much help, and I hope you are learning something useful at the same time...

barry bouwsma

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Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 11.12.2008, 09:05 +0100 schrieb Jordi Moles Blanco:

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Am Donnerstag, den 11.12.2008, 02:02 +0100 schrieb Jordi Molse:

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En/na hermann pitton ha escrit:

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Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 10.12.2008, 20:45 +0100 schrieb Jordi Molse:

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En/na BOUWSMA Barry ha escrit:

Quoted 91 lines · Jordi Moles Blanco

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And it doesn't matter if i run "scan -s 1" or "scan -s 2" or "scan -s 3", it will always scan from "switch 1"

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Try with -s 0; I'm not sure if it is always the case, but my unhacked `scan' uses 0-3 for DiSEqC positions 1/4 to 4/4 -- I've hacked this to use the range of 1-4

Quoted 7 lines

hi, thanks for anwsering.
I've already tried that.
remember, on switch 1 i've got astra 28.2E and on switch 2 i've got astra 19E

I realized soon after sending my reply, that I had probably confused myself about which inputs you had where, and my advice, while partly correct, wouldn't help...

Anyway -- the important thing to remember, is that if your `scan' works as I expect and your kernel modules work properly and you have a 2/1 DiSEqC switch, that scan -s option...
0 -- will tune to position 1/2;
1 -- will tune to position 2/2;
2 -- will cycle back and tune position 1/2;
3 -- will again tune position 2/2
4 -- should spit a warning, I think (something does)

In other words -- if your system worked properly, -s 1' would give you 19E2 and -s 2' would give you 28E; the opposite of your switch labels.

Quoted 5 lines

I don't why but it looks like it doesn't know how to switch to "switch 2"

If I understand from your original post (re-reading it; as soon as people start posting distribution or system details my eyes sort of glaze over, while other people will get an `aha!' moment that shall remain elusive to me)...

An older kernel version + modules worked;
an update of those modules broke DiSEqC;
your original kernel and modules didn't support your card.

What I would suggest -- keeping in mind that the dvb kernel modules, which you should see with `lsmod', are where you should find correct support, are probably in some package unknown to me which you'd need to downgrade -- would be to either revert, if possible, whatever contains those modules, or jump ahead several kernel versions.

If you feel comfortable compiling and installing a newer kernel (which is now around the 2.6.28 area), you could do that.

Alternatively, and possibly better, would be to upgrade only the linux-dvb kernel modules, building them against your 2.6.24-era kernel source, which you may need to download and install.

It's simple to download and build the latest linux-dvb modules even against a 2.6.24 kernel, and that should make things work -- if not, then something's been broken for a while, and some expert should be able to help you.

Quoted 10 lines

barryb ouwsma

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Hi again,

and thanks for the info.

Unfortunately, diseqc seems broken, because no matter what i try

-s 0, 1 , 2 ,3.... i get 28.2E signal

however, 4 shows an error, as you said.

It used to work... so i'll try to get back or compile new linux-dvb module as you suggested.

Quoted 12 lines

i'm really really newbie in this, i'm using kubuntu, so imagine.... hahahaha.

i don't even know how to get started, i barely install thing by "apt-get"

i'll try to find the way or post instead my problem in an ubuntu forum.

thanks for the info.

we need a report at least from 2.6.25 or current v4l-dvb from linuxtv.org.

Prior to this patch
http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-June/018741.html
the Trio failed for 13 Volts and tone generation.
Don't have the hardware, but would expect BBC 1 London to work and BBC 1 CI to fail.

This patch disabled some lnpb21 boards, which have that one connected in such a way, that diseqc forwarding is disabled. They need it from the tda10086.

This was fixed by Hartmut with suggestions from Patrick to make it a config option, if the tda10086 or the LNB chip in question is active.

All saa7134 DVB-S drivers have this option as diseqc = 0 in the config currently and it should be right for the Trio too and the isl6421 should forward.

For looking at Ubuntu stuff, they downport a lot of things, because always late with kernel releases, we need the exact sources to diff against.

Quoted 15 lines

I still have only that single dish for initially helping Hartmut with the isl6405 devel, but no rotors and switches yet and might be not of much help.

Cheers,
Hermann

hi,

thanks for the info. I agree that in ubuntu there seem always to be "unfinished" things and then rush many things into "stable" releases when "it's time".

Anyway....

i tried to upgrade the system from "hardy" to "intrepid", which meant a lot of ports upgraded, including kernel
2.6.27.9.13

that thing you say...

"All saa7134 DVB-S drivers have this option as diseqc = 0 in the config

currently and it should be right for the Trio too and the isl6421 should forward."

is there any way i can try this? is there any config file i can edit to make that happen (to make diseqc work)?

Quoted 9 lines

i'm not a experienced user ,but i've got the card and i'm really willing to help in any posible way.

just let me know what i can do.

thanks.

Hi,

Quoted 14 lines

on that 2.6.27 "BBC 1 London" _and_ "BBC 1 CI" or equivalent at least should work on 28.2. It does for me on lnpb21 and isl6405.

If something is still left for the switch then, either way connected, we can start to scratch our heads or pull hair later, seems to me.

Cheers,
Hermann

hi,

well.. it doesn't work in my case.... double and triple checked, hehehe.... are you using the same card lifeview trio or another one with the same chip?

Quoted 6 lines

would you mind telling me what linux system are you working with? i'm desperate for this to work, i will change to any distro that makes diseqc work.

Thanks.

as said, I have neither the Trio with isl6421 nor any DiSEqC switches in use.

But an Asus Tiger 3in1 with lnpb21 and several other cards with isl6405, like Medion Quads, triple Creatix CTX948 and CTX929 DVB-S only.

All this cards work for 13/18Volts and low/high band switching, means all broadcasts are available except DVB-S2 stuff.

The dual LNB isl6405 is totally identical to the isl6421 concerning the programming of the first LNB and there have been reports for receiving over 2000 services on 13.0E with the Trio cardbus. That should indicate that at least all direct simple voltage and tone low/high switching should work as well.

If possible, try to circumvent the switch once and connect directly to a dish. You should be able to receive low and high band stuff on 13 and 18 Volts.

For mixed old and new modules loaded, try "make rmmod" twice and "make rminstall" on top of mercurial v4l-dvb. Check if any modules are left in your kernel version media modules folder or just delete/backup it completely.

Run "make install" and "modprobe -v saa7134" assuming you have "use_frontend=1" already in your module options.

Cheers,
Hermann

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En/na hermann pitton ha escrit:

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Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 11.12.2008, 09:05 +0100 schrieb Jordi Moles Blanco:

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Am Donnerstag, den 11.12.2008, 02:02 +0100 schrieb Jordi Molse:

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En/na hermann pitton ha escrit:

Quoted 160 lines

Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 10.12.2008, 20:45 +0100 schrieb Jordi Molse:

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En/na BOUWSMA Barry ha escrit:

Quoted 91 lines · Jordi Moles Blanco

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And it doesn't matter if i run "scan -s 1" or "scan -s 2" or "scan -s 3", it will always scan from "switch 1"

Quoted 7 lines

Try with -s 0; I'm not sure if it is always the case, but my unhacked `scan' uses 0-3 for DiSEqC positions 1/4 to 4/4 -- I've hacked this to use the range of 1-4

Quoted 7 lines

hi, thanks for anwsering.
I've already tried that.
remember, on switch 1 i've got astra 28.2E and on switch 2 i've got astra 19E

I realized soon after sending my reply, that I had probably confused myself about which inputs you had where, and my advice, while partly correct, wouldn't help...

Anyway -- the important thing to remember, is that if your `scan' works as I expect and your kernel modules work properly and you have a 2/1 DiSEqC switch, that scan -s option...
0 -- will tune to position 1/2;
1 -- will tune to position 2/2;
2 -- will cycle back and tune position 1/2;
3 -- will again tune position 2/2
4 -- should spit a warning, I think (something does)

In other words -- if your system worked properly, -s 1' would give you 19E2 and -s 2' would give you 28E; the opposite of your switch labels.

Quoted 5 lines

I don't why but it looks like it doesn't know how to switch to "switch 2"

If I understand from your original post (re-reading it; as soon as people start posting distribution or system details my eyes sort of glaze over, while other people will get an `aha!' moment that shall remain elusive to me)...

An older kernel version + modules worked;
an update of those modules broke DiSEqC;
your original kernel and modules didn't support your card.

What I would suggest -- keeping in mind that the dvb kernel modules, which you should see with `lsmod', are where you should find correct support, are probably in some package unknown to me which you'd need to downgrade -- would be to either revert, if possible, whatever contains those modules, or jump ahead several kernel versions.

If you feel comfortable compiling and installing a newer kernel (which is now around the 2.6.28 area), you could do that.

Alternatively, and possibly better, would be to upgrade only the linux-dvb kernel modules, building them against your 2.6.24-era kernel source, which you may need to download and install.

It's simple to download and build the latest linux-dvb modules even against a 2.6.24 kernel, and that should make things work -- if not, then something's been broken for a while, and some expert should be able to help you.

Quoted 10 lines

barryb ouwsma

_______________________________________________
linux-dvb mailing list
[email protected]
http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb

Hi again,

and thanks for the info.

Unfortunately, diseqc seems broken, because no matter what i try

-s 0, 1 , 2 ,3.... i get 28.2E signal

however, 4 shows an error, as you said.

It used to work... so i'll try to get back or compile new linux-dvb module as you suggested.

Quoted 12 lines

i'm really really newbie in this, i'm using kubuntu, so imagine.... hahahaha.

i don't even know how to get started, i barely install thing by "apt-get"

i'll try to find the way or post instead my problem in an ubuntu forum.

thanks for the info.

we need a report at least from 2.6.25 or current v4l-dvb from linuxtv.org.

Prior to this patch
http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-June/018741.html
the Trio failed for 13 Volts and tone generation.
Don't have the hardware, but would expect BBC 1 London to work and BBC 1 CI to fail.

This patch disabled some lnpb21 boards, which have that one connected in such a way, that diseqc forwarding is disabled. They need it from the tda10086.

This was fixed by Hartmut with suggestions from Patrick to make it a config option, if the tda10086 or the LNB chip in question is active.

All saa7134 DVB-S drivers have this option as diseqc = 0 in the config currently and it should be right for the Trio too and the isl6421 should forward.

For looking at Ubuntu stuff, they downport a lot of things, because always late with kernel releases, we need the exact sources to diff against.

Quoted 15 lines

I still have only that single dish for initially helping Hartmut with the isl6405 devel, but no rotors and switches yet and might be not of much help.

Cheers,
Hermann

hi,

thanks for the info. I agree that in ubuntu there seem always to be "unfinished" things and then rush many things into "stable" releases when "it's time".

Anyway....

i tried to upgrade the system from "hardy" to "intrepid", which meant a lot of ports upgraded, including kernel
2.6.27.9.13

that thing you say...

"All saa7134 DVB-S drivers have this option as diseqc = 0 in the config

currently and it should be right for the Trio too and the isl6421 should forward."

is there any way i can try this? is there any config file i can edit to make that happen (to make diseqc work)?

Quoted 9 lines

i'm not a experienced user ,but i've got the card and i'm really willing to help in any posible way.

just let me know what i can do.

thanks.

Hi,

Quoted 14 lines

on that 2.6.27 "BBC 1 London" _and_ "BBC 1 CI" or equivalent at least should work on 28.2. It does for me on lnpb21 and isl6405.

If something is still left for the switch then, either way connected, we can start to scratch our heads or pull hair later, seems to me.

Cheers,
Hermann

hi,

well.. it doesn't work in my case.... double and triple checked, hehehe.... are you using the same card lifeview trio or another one with the same chip?

Quoted 6 lines

would you mind telling me what linux system are you working with? i'm desperate for this to work, i will change to any distro that makes diseqc work.

Thanks.

as said, I have neither the Trio with isl6421 nor any DiSEqC switches in use.

But an Asus Tiger 3in1 with lnpb21 and several other cards with isl6405, like Medion Quads, triple Creatix CTX948 and CTX929 DVB-S only.

All this cards work for 13/18Volts and low/high band switching, means all broadcasts are available except DVB-S2 stuff.

The dual LNB isl6405 is totally identical to the isl6421 concerning the programming of the first LNB and there have been reports for receiving over 2000 services on 13.0E with the Trio cardbus. That should indicate that at least all direct simple voltage and tone low/high switching should work as well.

If possible, try to circumvent the switch once and connect directly to a dish. You should be able to receive low and high band stuff on 13 and 18 Volts.

For mixed old and new modules loaded, try "make rmmod" twice and "make rminstall" on top of mercurial v4l-dvb. Check if any modules are left in your kernel version media modules folder or just delete/backup it completely.

Run "make install" and "modprobe -v saa7134" assuming you have "use_frontend=1" already in your module options.

Cheers,
Hermann

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hey,

thanks for the info.

if i don't use diseqc, i can view every possible channels for each satellite, the problem appears only when it goes through diseqc.

thanks for the tips on how fixing the system, but because i have no patiente and i'm a newbie (and have nothing of value in this machine), i ended up reinstalling everything, which takes less time for me.

i just sent a message to the list, saying if it's possible i've broken the card somehow. Please, have a look at it and tell me what you think.

thanks.

Am Freitag, den 12.12.2008, 00:26 +0100 schrieb Jordi Molse:

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Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 11.12.2008, 09:05 +0100 schrieb Jordi Moles Blanco:

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Am Donnerstag, den 11.12.2008, 02:02 +0100 schrieb Jordi Molse:

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Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 10.12.2008, 20:45 +0100 schrieb Jordi Molse:

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En/na BOUWSMA Barry ha escrit:

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And it doesn't matter if i run "scan -s 1" or "scan -s 2" or "scan -s 3", it will always scan from "switch 1"

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Try with -s 0; I'm not sure if it is always the case, but my unhacked `scan' uses 0-3 for DiSEqC positions 1/4 to 4/4 -- I've hacked this to use the range of 1-4

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hi, thanks for anwsering.
I've already tried that.
remember, on switch 1 i've got astra 28.2E and on switch 2 i've got astra 19E

I realized soon after sending my reply, that I had probably confused myself about which inputs you had where, and my advice, while partly correct, wouldn't help...

Anyway -- the important thing to remember, is that if your `scan' works as I expect and your kernel modules work properly and you have a 2/1 DiSEqC switch, that scan -s option...
0 -- will tune to position 1/2;
1 -- will tune to position 2/2;
2 -- will cycle back and tune position 1/2;
3 -- will again tune position 2/2
4 -- should spit a warning, I think (something does)

In other words -- if your system worked properly, -s 1' would give you 19E2 and -s 2' would give you 28E; the opposite of your switch labels.

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I don't why but it looks like it doesn't know how to switch to "switch 2"

If I understand from your original post (re-reading it; as soon as people start posting distribution or system details my eyes sort of glaze over, while other people will get an `aha!' moment that shall remain elusive to me)...

An older kernel version + modules worked;
an update of those modules broke DiSEqC;
your original kernel and modules didn't support your card.

What I would suggest -- keeping in mind that the dvb kernel modules, which you should see with `lsmod', are where you should find correct support, are probably in some package unknown to me which you'd need to downgrade -- would be to either revert, if possible, whatever contains those modules, or jump ahead several kernel versions.

If you feel comfortable compiling and installing a newer kernel (which is now around the 2.6.28 area), you could do that.

Alternatively, and possibly better, would be to upgrade only the linux-dvb kernel modules, building them against your 2.6.24-era kernel source, which you may need to download and install.

It's simple to download and build the latest linux-dvb modules even against a 2.6.24 kernel, and that should make things work -- if not, then something's been broken for a while, and some expert should be able to help you.

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barryb ouwsma

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Hi again,

and thanks for the info.

Unfortunately, diseqc seems broken, because no matter what i try

-s 0, 1 , 2 ,3.... i get 28.2E signal

however, 4 shows an error, as you said.

It used to work... so i'll try to get back or compile new linux-dvb module as you suggested.

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i'm really really newbie in this, i'm using kubuntu, so imagine.... hahahaha.

i don't even know how to get started, i barely install thing by "apt-get"

i'll try to find the way or post instead my problem in an ubuntu forum.

thanks for the info.

we need a report at least from 2.6.25 or current v4l-dvb from linuxtv.org.

Prior to this patch
http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-June/018741.html
the Trio failed for 13 Volts and tone generation.
Don't have the hardware, but would expect BBC 1 London to work and BBC 1 CI to fail.

This patch disabled some lnpb21 boards, which have that one connected in such a way, that diseqc forwarding is disabled. They need it from the tda10086.

This was fixed by Hartmut with suggestions from Patrick to make it a config option, if the tda10086 or the LNB chip in question is active.

All saa7134 DVB-S drivers have this option as diseqc = 0 in the config currently and it should be right for the Trio too and the isl6421 should forward.

For looking at Ubuntu stuff, they downport a lot of things, because always late with kernel releases, we need the exact sources to diff against.

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I still have only that single dish for initially helping Hartmut with the isl6405 devel, but no rotors and switches yet and might be not of much help.

Cheers,
Hermann

hi,

thanks for the info. I agree that in ubuntu there seem always to be "unfinished" things and then rush many things into "stable" releases when "it's time".

Anyway....

i tried to upgrade the system from "hardy" to "intrepid", which meant a lot of ports upgraded, including kernel
2.6.27.9.13

that thing you say...

"All saa7134 DVB-S drivers have this option as diseqc = 0 in the config

currently and it should be right for the Trio too and the isl6421 should forward."

is there any way i can try this? is there any config file i can edit to make that happen (to make diseqc work)?

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i'm not a experienced user ,but i've got the card and i'm really willing to help in any posible way.

just let me know what i can do.

thanks.

Hi,

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on that 2.6.27 "BBC 1 London" _and_ "BBC 1 CI" or equivalent at least should work on 28.2. It does for me on lnpb21 and isl6405.

If something is still left for the switch then, either way connected, we can start to scratch our heads or pull hair later, seems to me.

Cheers,
Hermann

hi,

well.. it doesn't work in my case.... double and triple checked, hehehe.... are you using the same card lifeview trio or another one with the same chip?

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would you mind telling me what linux system are you working with? i'm desperate for this to work, i will change to any distro that makes diseqc work.

Thanks.

as said, I have neither the Trio with isl6421 nor any DiSEqC switches in use.

But an Asus Tiger 3in1 with lnpb21 and several other cards with isl6405, like Medion Quads, triple Creatix CTX948 and CTX929 DVB-S only.

All this cards work for 13/18Volts and low/high band switching, means all broadcasts are available except DVB-S2 stuff.

The dual LNB isl6405 is totally identical to the isl6421 concerning the programming of the first LNB and there have been reports for receiving over 2000 services on 13.0E with the Trio cardbus. That should indicate that at least all direct simple voltage and tone low/high switching should work as well.

If possible, try to circumvent the switch once and connect directly to a dish. You should be able to receive low and high band stuff on 13 and 18 Volts.

For mixed old and new modules loaded, try "make rmmod" twice and "make rminstall" on top of mercurial v4l-dvb. Check if any modules are left in your kernel version media modules folder or just delete/backup it completely.

Run "make install" and "modprobe -v saa7134" assuming you have "use_frontend=1" already in your module options.

Cheers,
Hermann

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hey,

thanks for the info.

if i don't use diseqc, i can view every possible channels for each satellite, the problem appears only when it goes through diseqc.

OK good.

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thanks for the tips on how fixing the system, but because i have no patiente and i'm a newbie (and have nothing of value in this machine), i ended up reinstalling everything, which takes less time for me.

I'm not aware of any recent change and think it doesn't matter anyway, as long you can change the source to come back to what seemed to be working for you.

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i just sent a message to the list, saying if it's possible i've broken the card somehow. Please, have a look at it and tell me what you think.

thanks.

I really tried hard, until realized the isl6405 is behind the tda10086 i2c bridge, but think it is close to impossible with what we have around and at all, except high voltage occurs from outside without protection.

I would try a cold boot next, say 40 seconds without any power connected. The 13 and 18 Volts you can also easily measure at the connector of the card.

Good Luck,

Hermann

However, i haven't been able to get diseqc working and i don't think i will....

i used to have this card running in a dual boot with windows xp, where everything worked like a charm, and another one where i kept installing linux distros without any luck until "kubuntu hardy" came out. At that point, as the card with diseqc worked "out of the box", i decided to erase all data and move

then i upgraded the system and also moved the tower from its place to next to the tv (to be a medicenter computer :) ). Then i couldn't view the channels anymore. I tried to retune with no luck... I check all the cables, just in case one of them was in bad shape. I even replaced the T connectors, just in

so... is it possible that somehow i've broken the card someone? the truth is

that what used to work in windows... doesn't work anymore... this evening i went back to windows just to check if the card, the diseqc and everything was fine... and i had so many problems to get the satellite working as before. i used to use progdvb, which supported diseqc for my card and now it just can't tune through diseqc, none of the two satellites. other software does know how to get through diseqc, but only switch 1.

i've checked cables and i don't think it's an issue from the diseq thing, cause i've got two and both give the same problem.

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However, i haven't been able to get diseqc working and i don't think i will....

It is too early to give up now!!1! At least, I shall not give up until the sun melts away enough of the snow, so that I can go out and get more beer, though the melted snow will probably freeze into slick ice, and I'll probably end up hurting more than last time, this time with broken glass embedded into my body... A direct infusion of that evil alcohol into by bloodstream without the middleman of passing the lips, gums, tongue, nose -- heck, why bother searching to find excellent-tasting beer when I won't notice and appreciate the difference anyway...

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i used to have this card running in a dual boot with windows xp, where everything worked like a charm, and another one where i kept installing linux distros without any luck until "kubuntu hardy" came out. At that point, as the card with diseqc worked "out of the box", i decided to erase all data and move

One card, worked in two boxes; the first box a 'doze box, the second box Kubuntu Hardy... (unsupported before then)

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then i upgraded the system and also moved the tower from its place to next to the tv (to be a medicenter computer :) ). Then i couldn't view the channels anymore. I tried to retune with no luck... I check all the cables, just in case one of them was in bad shape. I even replaced the T connectors, just in

System `upgraded' and stopped DiSEqC working; but also, system moved. No success since then.

Question:

When you moved the system, did you have to add new cable? If so, how long was the length of cable from your machine to the DiSEqC switch before you moved it, and how long is this cable now, or is it the same length and same cable?

Other question, what do you mean by a T connector'? For satellite, I am familiar with the F' connector, and I am also familiar with other types of `T' connector, but they should have no place in a satellite system...

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so... is it possible that somehow i've broken the card someone? the truth is

Not too likely -- DiSEqC switching is basically the same as a modulated version of the 22kHz tone which is used to switch between low (below 11700) and high (above 11700) frequencies by the LNB.

However, I have had experience with several different 2/1 and 4/1 DiSEqC switches at the end of long cable runs, which could not be properly switched by some DVB-S cards, but could -- or could not be switched by a consumer satellite receiver, but which worked flawlessly when located a few metres from the receiver, instead of nearly 100m away. The cable length attenuated or otherwise corrupted the DiSEqC bursts from some devices so that they failed to work.

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that what used to work in windows... doesn't work anymore... this evening i went back to windows just to check if the card, the diseqc and everything was fine... and i had so many problems to get the satellite working as before. i used to use progdvb, which supported diseqc for my card and now it just can't tune through diseqc, none of the two satellites. other software does know how to get through diseqc, but only switch 1.

So, the same setup, apart from being moved, now no longer works the same as it used to work with 'doze, and 'doze either no longer works at all, or fails to switch DiSEqC?

Note that a typical DiSEqC switch will simply pass along its 1/2 or 1/4 or 1/8 or 1/whatever input, when it does not receive the switching signal to select 2/2 or whatever.

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i've checked cables and i don't think it's an issue from the diseq thing, cause i've got two and both give the same problem.

Two? Two what -- DiSEqC switches, two cables to switches?

Do you have a normal consumer satellite receiver, as well as your different computer boxes?

I'm going to guess based on where I think you are located, that you have something like the following -- please correct me where I ass-u-me wrong, and add any additional info that is missing from this...

Dish+LNB pointed at 28E, large enough to receive BBC/ITV/etc Dish+LNB pointed at 19E (or offset mounted on 28E dish) DiSEqC switch(es) located near dishes -- or near your tuner so you can connect directly from each LNB as a test? Single cable run from switch to computer, or two cable runs from two switches?

LNB19E--

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LNB28E--

You also mention DVB-T/radio from this card; if you could mention how that affects the above, if at all (it should not, but I never know for sure)

Also, if you have any spares (a pile of DiSEqC switches, other DVB-S capable cards, etc), it would be handy for me to know -- in the case of my 4/1 switches located more than 50m from my tuners, it was partially a case of swapping in other switches from my pile of them until finding a working combination, or running an additional several hundred metres of cable to permit me to switch the four positions close to the tuners...

thanks,
barry bouwsma
not an expert, by any means

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wow, how many questions in just one mail, hahaha. i'll try to answer everything as well as i can.

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However, i haven't been able to get diseqc working and i don't think i will....

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It is too early to give up now!!1! At least, I shall not give up until the sun melts away enough of the snow, so that I can go out and get more beer, though the melted snow will probably freeze into slick ice, and I'll probably end up hurting more than last time, this time with broken glass embedded into my body... A direct infusion of that evil alcohol into by bloodstream without the middleman of passing the lips, gums, tongue, nose -- heck, why bother searching to find excellent-tasting beer when I won't notice and appreciate the difference anyway...

hahaha, and they say I'M crazy.

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i used to have this card running in a dual boot with windows xp, where everything worked like a charm, and another one where i kept installing linux distros without any luck until "kubuntu hardy" came out. At that point, as the card with diseqc worked "out of the box", i decided to erase all data and move

One card, worked in two boxes; the first box a 'doze box, the second box Kubuntu Hardy... (unsupported before then)

i just realised it couldn't be worse explained... hahaha. The thing is... i used to have one computer with the lifeview card. In this computer i had dual boot. In the first partition always windows, where the card would work through diseqc. On the second partition i would keep installing different linux distros until i found that "kubuntu hardy" worked.
After that i erased all data and installed only kubuntu hardy on my computer.

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then i upgraded the system and also moved the tower from its place to next to the tv (to be a medicenter computer :) ). Then i couldn't view the channels anymore. I tried to retune with no luck... I check all the cables, just in case one of them was in bad shape. I even replaced the T connectors, just in

System `upgraded' and stopped DiSEqC working; but also, system moved. No success since then.

Question:

When you moved the system, did you have to add new cable? If so, how long was the length of cable from your machine to the DiSEqC switch before you moved it, and how long is this cable now, or is it the same length and same cable?

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Other question, what do you mean by a T connector'? For satellite, I am familiar with the F' connector, and I am also familiar with other types of `T' connector, but they should have no place in a satellite system...

So... after installing everything and getting it to work properly through diseqc, i upgraded the whole system to the latest packages and also moved the tower from my room to the another room. I didn't try to view any channel after upgrading and before moving the computer, and that's why i didn't know if the upgrade had broken the system or i had broken the card by moving the tower from room to room... or may be had i used bad cables in the new place?

Then i turned on the tv and realised it was not working anymore. Then i went crazy and tried every possible thing until i came here to post for the first time.

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so... is it possible that somehow i've broken the card someone? the truth is

Not too likely -- DiSEqC switching is basically the same as a modulated version of the 22kHz tone which is used to switch between low (below 11700) and high (above 11700) frequencies by the LNB.

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However, I have had experience with several different 2/1 and 4/1 DiSEqC switches at the end of long cable runs, which could not be properly switched by some DVB-S cards, but could -- or could not be switched by a consumer satellite receiver, but which worked flawlessly when located a few metres from the receiver, instead of nearly 100m away. The cable length attenuated or otherwise corrupted the DiSEqC bursts from some devices so that they failed to work.

I don't think distance is the problem, as now there are less meters from the dishes to my box.
Actually, it's the same 2 cables than before. I used to have 2 long cables which went from the dishes to a room (going through the room the computer is now). It used to be like 8-9 meters long.
Right now, the box is in this other room, closer to the dishes. I'm still using the same cables, but shorter, i cut 2-3 meters from each one as i don't need those meters anymore.
Obviuosly, i had to set the "F connectors again" (not T connectors, hehe) and... did i do it the right way? I don't know. I would think so... but that's why i asked you if there's a chance i've broken the card but mounting the F connectors the wrong way and causing the receiver to malfunction.

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that what used to work in windows... doesn't work anymore... this evening i went back to windows just to check if the card, the diseqc and everything was fine... and i had so many problems to get the satellite working as before. i used to use progdvb, which supported diseqc for my card and now it just can't tune through diseqc, none of the two satellites. other software does know how to get through diseqc, but only switch 1.

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So, the same setup, apart from being moved, now no longer works the same as it used to work with 'doze, and 'doze either no longer works at all, or fails to switch DiSEqC?

Note that a typical DiSEqC switch will simply pass along its 1/2 or 1/4 or 1/8 or 1/whatever input, when it does not receive the switching signal to select 2/2 or whatever.

Again, that was made me thing that i had broken something in my card or my diseqc switch, as i can tune from both separately but not together through diseqc.
It doesn't make much sense to me that the card is half-broken.... i mean... i can tune any satellite but not through diseqc.... but i asked because i'm no a hardware expert at all.

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i've checked cables and i don't think it's an issue from the diseq thing, cause i've got two and both give the same problem.

Two? Two what -- DiSEqC switches, two cables to switches?

Do you have a normal consumer satellite receiver, as well as your different computer boxes?

two diseqc switch to play with. lifeview is not working with any of them.

i've got an engel tdt 5300 receiver, but diseqc never worked there. I bought it when i had only one dish. When then i set the second one, i also fought to get diseqc working and i ended up trying the lifeview in my computer, which worked in windows. I though that it might be a problem with engel's tunner, so i just let it go.

i haven't tried now to make it work in the engel receiver... but if back then didn't use to work....

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I'm going to guess based on where I think you are located, that you have something like the following -- please correct me where I ass-u-me wrong, and add any additional info that is missing from this...

Dish+LNB pointed at 28E, large enough to receive BBC/ITV/etc Dish+LNB pointed at 19E (or offset mounted on 28E dish) DiSEqC switch(es) located near dishes -- or near your tuner so you can connect directly from each LNB as a test? Single cable run from switch to computer, or two cable runs from two switches?

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LNB19E--

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         2/1 DiSEqC----------------------------Computer
        /

LNB28E--

i've got 2 80cm satellite dishes, one for Astra 28.2E and the other one for Astra 19.2E.
Then, from each dish i've got like 2-3 meters cable to where the computer is.
Then, next to the computer "the two become one", hehe, through the diseqc switch.

From diseqc i've got a cable, like 30cm long to the computer

The diseqc switch is 2.0, like this one:

http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/DiSEqC/DS21-DISEQC-SWITCH.jpg

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You also mention DVB-T/radio from this card; if you could mention how that affects the above, if at all (it should not, but I never know for sure)

I don't think it affects in any way. The card has 3 different chips, or so i think: one for radio, one for digital tv (terrestrial) and one for satellite tv. In windows you install 3 different drivers. Actually, windows see the card as 3 different cards, and you can "tune" the three chips at the same time. for example, you can view satellite while recording digital tv, which is great :)

In Linux this doesn't happen. Linux sees the card "as one", and you have to keep doing

modprobe saa7134 use_frontend=0... =1..=2 to get one chip or another to work. Although it would be great to have all of them working at the same time.. it's not a problem for me, as i actually never used this feature in windows.

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Also, if you have any spares (a pile of DiSEqC switches, other DVB-S capable cards, etc), it would be handy for me to know -- in the case of my 4/1 switches located more than 50m from my tuners, it was partially a case of swapping in other switches from my pile of them until finding a working combination, or running an additional several hundred metres of cable to permit me to switch the four positions close to the tuners...

i don't think there's any other helpful information to provide.

Hi,

just to avoid some new myth :)

Am Freitag, den 12.12.2008, 14:22 +0100 schrieb Jordi Moles Blanco:

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wow, how many questions in just one mail, hahaha. i'll try to answer everything as well as i can.

En/na BOUWSMA Barry ha escrit:

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However, i haven't been able to get diseqc working and i don't think i will....

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It is too early to give up now!!1! At least, I shall not give up until the sun melts away enough of the snow, so that I can go out and get more beer, though the melted snow will probably freeze into slick ice, and I'll probably end up hurting more than last time, this time with broken glass embedded into my body... A direct infusion of that evil alcohol into by bloodstream without the middleman of passing the lips, gums, tongue, nose -- heck, why bother searching to find excellent-tasting beer when I won't notice and appreciate the difference anyway...

hahaha, and they say I'M crazy.

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i used to have this card running in a dual boot with windows xp, where everything worked like a charm, and another one where i kept installing linux distros without any luck until "kubuntu hardy" came out. At that point, as the card with diseqc worked "out of the box", i decided to erase all data and move

One card, worked in two boxes; the first box a 'doze box, the second box Kubuntu Hardy... (unsupported before then)

i just realised it couldn't be worse explained... hahaha. The thing is... i used to have one computer with the lifeview card. In this computer i had dual boot. In the first partition always windows, where the card would work through diseqc. On the second partition i would keep installing different linux distros until i found that "kubuntu hardy" worked.
After that i erased all data and installed only kubuntu hardy on my computer.

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then i upgraded the system and also moved the tower from its place to next to the tv (to be a medicenter computer :) ). Then i couldn't view the channels anymore. I tried to retune with no luck... I check all the cables, just in case one of them was in bad shape. I even replaced the T connectors, just in

System `upgraded' and stopped DiSEqC working; but also, system moved. No success since then.

Question:

When you moved the system, did you have to add new cable? If so, how long was the length of cable from your machine to the DiSEqC switch before you moved it, and how long is this cable now, or is it the same length and same cable?

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Other question, what do you mean by a T connector'? For satellite, I am familiar with the F' connector, and I am also familiar with other types of `T' connector, but they should have no place in a satellite system...

So... after installing everything and getting it to work properly through diseqc, i upgraded the whole system to the latest packages and also moved the tower from my room to the another room. I didn't try to view any channel after upgrading and before moving the computer, and that's why i didn't know if the upgrade had broken the system or i had broken the card by moving the tower from room to room... or may be had i used bad cables in the new place?

Then i turned on the tv and realised it was not working anymore. Then i went crazy and tried every possible thing until i came here to post for the first time.

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so... is it possible that somehow i've broken the card someone? the truth is

Not too likely -- DiSEqC switching is basically the same as a modulated version of the 22kHz tone which is used to switch between low (below 11700) and high (above 11700) frequencies by the LNB.

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However, I have had experience with several different 2/1 and 4/1 DiSEqC switches at the end of long cable runs, which could not be properly switched by some DVB-S cards, but could -- or could not be switched by a consumer satellite receiver, but which worked flawlessly when located a few metres from the receiver, instead of nearly 100m away. The cable length attenuated or otherwise corrupted the DiSEqC bursts from some devices so that they failed to work.

I don't think distance is the problem, as now there are less meters from the dishes to my box.
Actually, it's the same 2 cables than before. I used to have 2 long cables which went from the dishes to a room (going through the room the computer is now). It used to be like 8-9 meters long.
Right now, the box is in this other room, closer to the dishes. I'm still using the same cables, but shorter, i cut 2-3 meters from each one as i don't need those meters anymore.
Obviuosly, i had to set the "F connectors again" (not T connectors, hehe) and... did i do it the right way? I don't know. I would think so... but that's why i asked you if there's a chance i've broken the card but mounting the F connectors the wrong way and causing the receiver to malfunction.

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that what used to work in windows... doesn't work anymore... this evening i went back to windows just to check if the card, the diseqc and everything was fine... and i had so many problems to get the satellite working as before. i used to use progdvb, which supported diseqc for my card and now it just can't tune through diseqc, none of the two satellites. other software does know how to get through diseqc, but only switch 1.

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So, the same setup, apart from being moved, now no longer works the same as it used to work with 'doze, and 'doze either no longer works at all, or fails to switch DiSEqC?

Note that a typical DiSEqC switch will simply pass along its 1/2 or 1/4 or 1/8 or 1/whatever input, when it does not receive the switching signal to select 2/2 or whatever.

Again, that was made me thing that i had broken something in my card or my diseqc switch, as i can tune from both separately but not together through diseqc.
It doesn't make much sense to me that the card is half-broken.... i mean... i can tune any satellite but not through diseqc.... but i asked because i'm no a hardware expert at all.

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i've checked cables and i don't think it's an issue from the diseq thing, cause i've got two and both give the same problem.

Two? Two what -- DiSEqC switches, two cables to switches?

Do you have a normal consumer satellite receiver, as well as your different computer boxes?

two diseqc switch to play with. lifeview is not working with any of them.

i've got an engel tdt 5300 receiver, but diseqc never worked there. I bought it when i had only one dish. When then i set the second one, i also fought to get diseqc working and i ended up trying the lifeview in my computer, which worked in windows. I though that it might be a problem with engel's tunner, so i just let it go.

i haven't tried now to make it work in the engel receiver... but if back then didn't use to work....

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I'm going to guess based on where I think you are located, that you have something like the following -- please correct me where I ass-u-me wrong, and add any additional info that is missing from this...

Dish+LNB pointed at 28E, large enough to receive BBC/ITV/etc Dish+LNB pointed at 19E (or offset mounted on 28E dish) DiSEqC switch(es) located near dishes -- or near your tuner so you can connect directly from each LNB as a test? Single cable run from switch to computer, or two cable runs from two switches?

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LNB19E--

        \               long cable run
         2/1 DiSEqC----------------------------Computer
        /

LNB28E--

i've got 2 80cm satellite dishes, one for Astra 28.2E and the other one for Astra 19.2E.
Then, from each dish i've got like 2-3 meters cable to where the computer is.
Then, next to the computer "the two become one", hehe, through the diseqc switch.

From diseqc i've got a cable, like 30cm long to the computer

The diseqc switch is 2.0, like this one:

http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/DiSEqC/DS21-DISEQC-SWITCH.jpg

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You also mention DVB-T/radio from this card; if you could mention how that affects the above, if at all (it should not, but I never know for sure)

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I don't think it affects in any way. The card has 3 different chips, or so i think: one for radio, one for digital tv (terrestrial) and one for satellite tv. In windows you install 3 different drivers. Actually, windows see the card as 3 different cards, and you can "tune" the three chips at the same time. for example, you can view satellite while recording digital tv, which is great :)

The latter is not true, you can`t view/record DVB-S and DVB-T at once. That would need a second saa7131 PCI bridge you don't have.

It is one tda8275a hybrid tuner, which in this case is only used for radio and analog TV, a second tda8275a hybrid tuner, which is only used for DVB-T on this card with tda10046 channel decoder and a single tda826x tuner for DVB-S with tda10086 channel decoder and isl6421 ...

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In Linux this doesn't happen. Linux sees the card "as one", and you have to keep doing

modprobe saa7134 use_frontend=0... =1..=2 to get one chip or another to work. Although it would be great to have all of them working at the same time.. it's not a problem for me, as i actually never used this feature in windows.

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Also, if you have any spares (a pile of DiSEqC switches, other DVB-S capable cards, etc), it would be handy for me to know -- in the case of my 4/1 switches located more than 50m from my tuners, it was partially a case of swapping in other switches from my pile of them until finding a working combination, or running an additional several hundred metres of cable to permit me to switch the four positions close to the tuners...

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i don't think there's any other helpful information to provide.

We need to go through the code in question, investigate Ubuntu downports, reread datasheets as far as available (!) and my first guess is your switch worked once with diseqc enabled on the tda10086, at least for low. On high with permanent tone from the isl6121 also enabled, I doubt it ever came through.

Cheers,
Hermann

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