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linux-dvb BOUWSMA Barry 3 participants 8 messages Jan 17, 2009 – Jan 21, 2009 3 messages not in the archive Media (V4L/DVB)

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#3 lore raw

Hi Markus, I follow your list as a non-subscriber, but I thought it would be worthwhile to post this to linux-dvb as well, and eventually to linux-media...

Quoted 6 lines · Markus Rechberger
Quoted 3 lines · Markus Rechberger
Quoted 1 line

Is there any news about Terratec HTC USB XS HD support?

it's upcoming soon.

Thanks Markus, that's good news for me, and for several people who have written me as well!

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http://mcentral.de/wiki/index.php5/Terratec_HTC_XS
you might track that site for upcoming information.

Interesting. You say that your code will make use of a BSD setup. Can you or someone say something about this, or point to past discussion which explains this? Would this be the userspace_tuner link on your wiki?

In particular, I'm wondering whether this is completely compatible with the standard DVB utilities -- dvbscan, dvbstream, and the like, or whether a particular higher- level end-user application is required.

merci vielmal,
barry bouwsma

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Quoted 25 lines · BOUWSMA Barry

Hi Markus, I follow your list as a non-subscriber, but I thought it would be worthwhile to post this to linux-dvb as well, and eventually to linux-media...

Quoted 6 lines · Markus Rechberger
Quoted 3 lines · Markus Rechberger
Quoted 1 line

Is there any news about Terratec HTC USB XS HD support?

it's upcoming soon.

Thanks Markus, that's good news for me, and for several people who have written me as well!

Quoted 2 lines

http://mcentral.de/wiki/index.php5/Terratec_HTC_XS
you might track that site for upcoming information.

Interesting. You say that your code will make use of a BSD setup. Can you or someone say something about this, or point to past discussion which explains this? Would this be the userspace_tuner link on your wiki?

Quoted 6 lines

In particular, I'm wondering whether this is completely compatible with the standard DVB utilities -- dvbscan, dvbstream, and the like, or whether a particular higher- level end-user application is required.

The design goes hand in hand with some discussions that have been made with some BSD developers.
The setup makes use of usbdevfs and pci configspace access from userland, some work still has to be done there, it (will give/gives) manufacturers the freedom to release opensource and binary drivers for userland.
I'm a friend of open development and not of some kind of monopoly where a few people rule everything (linux).

There's quite some work going on in portability so that one driver can be written for Linux/BSD and OSX - still needing some Host dependent hooks for transferring the data but the same for configuring the chips.
Someone might have noticed the empty frontend dummy driver in em28xx-new, by using userland commands the same device nodes can be used for DVB-C and DVB-T mpeg-ts streams. Currently linuxtv would require to set up different nodes for those nodes with earlier kernels
- the userland approach is pretty much backward compatible while not having to update the core media framework, and it gives vendors the possibility to set up their drivers with vendor specific features too. libv4l(2)? is probably already a good approach to support v4l with multiple applications although most applications are still not capable of supporting all v4l(2) devices anyway.

As for the em28xx project, Micronas who doesn't want to release their intellectual property triggered quite a few discussions with some people. I have code here with several 10.000th lines of code from them, and people earn their money by selling solutions based on that. Giving away that proprietary work would immediately kill the commercial value of their work and alot money would be lost for smaller companies. I'm somehow convenient that it might go Opensource in years when the commercial market is finished for their products. As written the goal is to give chip manufacturers/designers the possibility to provide support for their chips in an operating system and license independent way.

best regards,
Markus

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Quoted 27 lines · Markus Rechberger
Quoted 25 lines · BOUWSMA Barry

Hi Markus, I follow your list as a non-subscriber, but I thought it would be worthwhile to post this to linux-dvb as well, and eventually to linux-media...

Quoted 6 lines · Markus Rechberger
Quoted 3 lines · Markus Rechberger
Quoted 1 line

Is there any news about Terratec HTC USB XS HD support?

it's upcoming soon.

Thanks Markus, that's good news for me, and for several people who have written me as well!

Quoted 2 lines

http://mcentral.de/wiki/index.php5/Terratec_HTC_XS
you might track that site for upcoming information.

Interesting. You say that your code will make use of a BSD setup. Can you or someone say something about this, or point to past discussion which explains this? Would this be the userspace_tuner link on your wiki?

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In particular, I'm wondering whether this is completely compatible with the standard DVB utilities -- dvbscan, dvbstream, and the like, or whether a particular higher- level end-user application is required.

we're still working that out - with LD_PRELOAD alot things can be done in a compatible
way. But since BSD has it's own API anyway we're about to hook up the applications with
support for it anyway.

My primary goal is to have it work with following player anyway
http://mcentral.de/wiki/index.php5/ISDB-T
The player is plugin based and it's very easy to add those input plugins to eg. xine or mplayer.
It adds easy to use support to Empia based devices which _any_ enduser application is currently
lacking anyway for multistandard devices

br,
Markus

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The design goes hand in hand with some discussions that have been made with some BSD developers.
The setup makes use of usbdevfs and pci configspace access from userland, some work still has to be done there, it (will give/gives) manufacturers the freedom to release opensource and binary drivers for userland.
I'm a friend of open development and not of some kind of monopoly where a few people rule everything (linux).

There's quite some work going on in portability so that one driver can be written for Linux/BSD and OSX - still needing some Host dependent hooks for transferring the data but the same for configuring the chips.
Someone might have noticed the empty frontend dummy driver in em28xx-new, by using userland commands the same device nodes can be used for DVB-C and DVB-T mpeg-ts streams. Currently linuxtv would require to set up different nodes for those nodes with earlier kernels
- the userland approach is pretty much backward compatible while not having to update the core media framework, and it gives vendors the possibility to set up their drivers with vendor specific features too. libv4l(2)? is probably already a good approach to support v4l with multiple applications although most applications are still not capable of supporting all v4l(2) devices anyway.

As for the em28xx project, Micronas who doesn't want to release their intellectual property triggered quite a few discussions with some people. I have code here with several 10.000th lines of code from them, and people earn their money by selling solutions based on that. Giving away that proprietary work would immediately kill the commercial value of their work and alot money would be lost for smaller companies. I'm somehow convenient that it might go Opensource in years when the commercial market is finished for their products. As written the goal is to give chip manufacturers/designers the possibility to provide support for their chips in an operating system and license independent way.

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best regards,
Markus

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#6 lore raw
In reply to Markus Rechberger

Am Samstag, den 17.01.2009, 11:16 +0100 schrieb Markus Rechberger:

Quoted 34 lines
Quoted 25 lines · BOUWSMA Barry

Hi Markus, I follow your list as a non-subscriber, but I thought it would be worthwhile to post this to linux-dvb as well, and eventually to linux-media...

Quoted 6 lines · Markus Rechberger
Quoted 3 lines · Markus Rechberger
Quoted 1 line

Is there any news about Terratec HTC USB XS HD support?

it's upcoming soon.

Thanks Markus, that's good news for me, and for several people who have written me as well!

Quoted 2 lines

http://mcentral.de/wiki/index.php5/Terratec_HTC_XS
you might track that site for upcoming information.

Interesting. You say that your code will make use of a BSD setup. Can you or someone say something about this, or point to past discussion which explains this? Would this be the userspace_tuner link on your wiki?

Quoted 6 lines

In particular, I'm wondering whether this is completely compatible with the standard DVB utilities -- dvbscan, dvbstream, and the like, or whether a particular higher- level end-user application is required.

Quoted 8 lines

The design goes hand in hand with some discussions that have been made with some BSD developers.
The setup makes use of usbdevfs and pci configspace access from userland, some work still has to be done there, it (will give/gives) manufacturers the freedom to release opensource and binary drivers for userland.
I'm a friend of open development and not of some kind of monopoly where a few people rule everything (linux).

I do remember when BSD shared some tuner code with GNU/LINUX ;)

What you try to make up from it now is in best case a joke.

Please enjoy further, but it is totally unrelated to you, concerning sharing.

Cheers,
Hermann

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Quoted 45 lines · hermann pitton

Am Samstag, den 17.01.2009, 11:16 +0100 schrieb Markus Rechberger:

Quoted 34 lines
Quoted 25 lines · BOUWSMA Barry

Hi Markus, I follow your list as a non-subscriber, but I thought it would be worthwhile to post this to linux-dvb as well, and eventually to linux-media...

Quoted 6 lines · Markus Rechberger
Quoted 3 lines · Markus Rechberger
Quoted 1 line

Is there any news about Terratec HTC USB XS HD support?

it's upcoming soon.

Thanks Markus, that's good news for me, and for several people who have written me as well!

Quoted 2 lines

http://mcentral.de/wiki/index.php5/Terratec_HTC_XS
you might track that site for upcoming information.

Interesting. You say that your code will make use of a BSD setup. Can you or someone say something about this, or point to past discussion which explains this? Would this be the userspace_tuner link on your wiki?

Quoted 6 lines

In particular, I'm wondering whether this is completely compatible with the standard DVB utilities -- dvbscan, dvbstream, and the like, or whether a particular higher- level end-user application is required.

Quoted 8 lines

The design goes hand in hand with some discussions that have been made with some BSD developers.
The setup makes use of usbdevfs and pci configspace access from userland, some work still has to be done there, it (will give/gives) manufacturers the freedom to release opensource and binary drivers for userland.
I'm a friend of open development and not of some kind of monopoly where a few people rule everything (linux).

Quoted 2 lines

I do remember when BSD shared some tuner code with GNU/LINUX ;)

there is nothing wrong with that.

As a reference:
* http://mcentral.de/wiki/index.php5/Terratec_HTC_XS
* http://corona.homeunix.net/cx88wiki

regards,
Markus

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Am Mittwoch, den 21.01.2009, 03:26 +0100 schrieb Markus Rechberger:

Quoted 49 lines · hermann pitton
Quoted 45 lines

Am Samstag, den 17.01.2009, 11:16 +0100 schrieb Markus Rechberger:

Quoted 34 lines
Quoted 25 lines · BOUWSMA Barry

Hi Markus, I follow your list as a non-subscriber, but I thought it would be worthwhile to post this to linux-dvb as well, and eventually to linux-media...

Quoted 6 lines · Markus Rechberger
Quoted 3 lines · Markus Rechberger
Quoted 1 line

Is there any news about Terratec HTC USB XS HD support?

it's upcoming soon.

Thanks Markus, that's good news for me, and for several people who have written me as well!

Quoted 2 lines

http://mcentral.de/wiki/index.php5/Terratec_HTC_XS
you might track that site for upcoming information.

Interesting. You say that your code will make use of a BSD setup. Can you or someone say something about this, or point to past discussion which explains this? Would this be the userspace_tuner link on your wiki?

Quoted 6 lines

In particular, I'm wondering whether this is completely compatible with the standard DVB utilities -- dvbscan, dvbstream, and the like, or whether a particular higher- level end-user application is required.

Quoted 8 lines

The design goes hand in hand with some discussions that have been made with some BSD developers.
The setup makes use of usbdevfs and pci configspace access from userland, some work still has to be done there, it (will give/gives) manufacturers the freedom to release opensource and binary drivers for userland.
I'm a friend of open development and not of some kind of monopoly where a few people rule everything (linux).

Quoted 2 lines

I do remember when BSD shared some tuner code with GNU/LINUX ;)

Quoted 8 lines

there is nothing wrong with that.

As a reference:
* http://mcentral.de/wiki/index.php5/Terratec_HTC_XS
* http://corona.homeunix.net/cx88wiki

regards,
Markus

Without following your links for now,
for the code exchange during the last six years with what you claim,

there must be something very, very wrong.

cheers,
hermann

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Quoted 57 lines · hermann pitton

Am Mittwoch, den 21.01.2009, 03:26 +0100 schrieb Markus Rechberger:

Quoted 55 lines · hermann pitton
Quoted 45 lines

Am Samstag, den 17.01.2009, 11:16 +0100 schrieb Markus Rechberger:

Quoted 34 lines
Quoted 25 lines · BOUWSMA Barry

Hi Markus, I follow your list as a non-subscriber, but I thought it would be worthwhile to post this to linux-dvb as well, and eventually to linux-media...

Quoted 6 lines · Markus Rechberger
Quoted 3 lines · Markus Rechberger
Quoted 1 line

Is there any news about Terratec HTC USB XS HD support?

it's upcoming soon.

Thanks Markus, that's good news for me, and for several people who have written me as well!

Quoted 2 lines

http://mcentral.de/wiki/index.php5/Terratec_HTC_XS
you might track that site for upcoming information.

Interesting. You say that your code will make use of a BSD setup. Can you or someone say something about this, or point to past discussion which explains this? Would this be the userspace_tuner link on your wiki?

Quoted 6 lines

In particular, I'm wondering whether this is completely compatible with the standard DVB utilities -- dvbscan, dvbstream, and the like, or whether a particular higher- level end-user application is required.

Quoted 8 lines

The design goes hand in hand with some discussions that have been made with some BSD developers.
The setup makes use of usbdevfs and pci configspace access from userland, some work still has to be done there, it (will give/gives) manufacturers the freedom to release opensource and binary drivers for userland.
I'm a friend of open development and not of some kind of monopoly where a few people rule everything (linux).

Quoted 2 lines

I do remember when BSD shared some tuner code with GNU/LINUX ;)

there is nothing wrong with that.

As a reference:
* http://mcentral.de/wiki/index.php5/Terratec_HTC_XS
* http://corona.homeunix.net/cx88wiki

Quoted 6 lines
Quoted 2 lines

regards,
Markus

Without following your links for now,
for the code exchange during the last six years with what you claim,

you must mistake me with someone, I did not claim anything for 6 years.

regards,
Markus

#10 lore raw

Am Mittwoch, den 21.01.2009, 03:39 +0100 schrieb Markus Rechberger:

Quoted 65 lines · hermann pitton
Quoted 57 lines

Am Mittwoch, den 21.01.2009, 03:26 +0100 schrieb Markus Rechberger:

Quoted 55 lines · hermann pitton
Quoted 45 lines

Am Samstag, den 17.01.2009, 11:16 +0100 schrieb Markus Rechberger:

Quoted 34 lines
Quoted 25 lines · BOUWSMA Barry

Hi Markus, I follow your list as a non-subscriber, but I thought it would be worthwhile to post this to linux-dvb as well, and eventually to linux-media...

Quoted 6 lines · Markus Rechberger
Quoted 3 lines · Markus Rechberger
Quoted 1 line

Is there any news about Terratec HTC USB XS HD support?

it's upcoming soon.

Thanks Markus, that's good news for me, and for several people who have written me as well!

Quoted 2 lines

http://mcentral.de/wiki/index.php5/Terratec_HTC_XS
you might track that site for upcoming information.

Interesting. You say that your code will make use of a BSD setup. Can you or someone say something about this, or point to past discussion which explains this? Would this be the userspace_tuner link on your wiki?

Quoted 6 lines

In particular, I'm wondering whether this is completely compatible with the standard DVB utilities -- dvbscan, dvbstream, and the like, or whether a particular higher- level end-user application is required.

Quoted 8 lines

The design goes hand in hand with some discussions that have been made with some BSD developers.
The setup makes use of usbdevfs and pci configspace access from userland, some work still has to be done there, it (will give/gives) manufacturers the freedom to release opensource and binary drivers for userland.
I'm a friend of open development and not of some kind of monopoly where a few people rule everything (linux).

Quoted 2 lines

I do remember when BSD shared some tuner code with GNU/LINUX ;)

there is nothing wrong with that.

As a reference:
* http://mcentral.de/wiki/index.php5/Terratec_HTC_XS
* http://corona.homeunix.net/cx88wiki

Quoted 6 lines
Quoted 2 lines

regards,
Markus

Without following your links for now,
for the code exchange during the last six years with what you claim,

Quoted 5 lines

you must mistake me with someone, I did not claim anything for 6 years.

regards,
Markus
--

Only that we have and do abuse a monopoly.

Thanks for that.

hermann