silent random symbolic link corruption
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Hi,
After using nilfs2 for half a year now on data partitions without any problems, I wanted to try it for the root partition. This way I discovered a silent random symbolic link corruption problem.
Versions:
latest nilfs2 git module
kernel 2.6.28.2
tar 1.20
Step to reproduce it:
tar -xpf zz1.tar (where zz1.tar is a tar file containing many symbolic links (in my case a directory containing 2 root filesystems for remote booting)
On untar some symbolic links are missing and 0 byte files are existing instead.
I repeated the test 3 times on a freshly formated nilfs2 partition and always had other links missing.
I am currently trying to bzip2 the big tar file and untar this one in order to verify if there are no timing issues and will report back when this test is finished.
Could you please look into this ?
Thanks in advance
Bye,
David Arendt
Hi,
The bzip2 test returned the same result.
Thank in advance,
David Arendt
Quoted 39 lines · David Arendt
Hi,
After using nilfs2 for half a year now on data partitions without any problems, I wanted to try it for the root partition. This way I discovered a silent random symbolic link corruption problem.
Versions:
latest nilfs2 git module
kernel 2.6.28.2
tar 1.20Step to reproduce it:
tar -xpf zz1.tar (where zz1.tar is a tar file containing many symbolic links (in my case a directory containing 2 root filesystems for remote booting)
On untar some symbolic links are missing and 0 byte files are existing instead.
I repeated the test 3 times on a freshly formated nilfs2 partition and always had other links missing.
I am currently trying to bzip2 the big tar file and untar this one in order to verify if there are no timing issues and will report back when this test is finished.
Could you please look into this ?
Thanks in advance
Bye,
David Arendt_______________________________________________
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Hi,
I narrowed the problem down. I'm not sure if it's a problem of tar or of nifls2.
Tar handles symbolic links this way:
during extraction: if symbolic link and absolute path create a 0 byte file and record link and stat information
after extraction: for every symbolic link verify that actual st_dev,st_ino and st_mtime are the same as on creation of the 0 byte file, and only then create the link
for some 0 byte files st_ino is different between the first and the second stat of the 0 byte file. As I don't know the nilfs2 internal behavior, so could you please tell me if this is the normal behavior of nilfs2 or if there is something strange with this ? If it's the normal behavior, maybe I should file a bug for tar ?
This patch for tar 1.21 solves the symlink problem but I don't know if the problem is to be solved on the tar end or on the nilfs2 end.
src/extract.c +0 -1
@@ -1267,7 +1267,6 @@removed by a later extraction. */ if (lstat (source, &st) ==0 && st.st_dev == ds->dev - && st.st_ino == ds->ino &×pec_cmp (get_stat_mtime (&st), ds->mtime) ==0 ) {/* Unlink the placeholder, then create a hard link if possible,
What do you think ?
Thank in advance,
David Arendt
Quoted 39 lines · David Arendt
Hi,
After using nilfs2 for half a year now on data partitions without any problems, I wanted to try it for the root partition. This way I discovered a silent random symbolic link corruption problem.
Versions:
latest nilfs2 git module
kernel 2.6.28.2
tar 1.20Step to reproduce it:
tar -xpf zz1.tar (where zz1.tar is a tar file containing many symbolic links (in my case a directory containing 2 root filesystems for remote booting)
On untar some symbolic links are missing and 0 byte files are existing instead.
I repeated the test 3 times on a freshly formated nilfs2 partition and always had other links missing.
I am currently trying to bzip2 the big tar file and untar this one in order to verify if there are no timing issues and will report back when this test is finished.
Could you please look into this ?
Thanks in advance
Bye,
David Arendt_______________________________________________
users mailing list
[email protected]
https://www.nilfs.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Hi David,
Quoted 14 lines · David Arendt
Hi,
I narrowed the problem down. I'm not sure if it's a problem of tar or of nifls2.
Tar handles symbolic links this way:
during extraction: if symbolic link and absolute path create a 0 byte file and record link and stat information
after extraction: for every symbolic link verify that actual st_dev,st_ino and
st_mtimeare the same as on creation of the 0 byte file, and only then create the link
Quoted 5 lines
for some 0 byte files
st_inois different between the first and the second stat of the 0 byte file. As I don't know the nilfs2 internal behavior, so could you please tell me if this is the normal behavior of nilfs2 or if there is something strange with this ? If it's the normal behavior, maybe I should file a bug for tar ?
This behavior seems unusual.
Could you send me a small tar file which can reproduce the problem ?
Quoted 17 lines
This patch for tar 1.21 solves the symlink problem but I don't know if the problem is to be solved on the tar end or on the nilfs2 end.
diff -Naur
tar-1.21/src/extract.ctar-1.21.new/src/extract.csrc/extract.c +0
-1@@ -1267,7 +1267,6 @@removed by a later extraction. */ if (lstat (source, &st) ==0 && st.st_dev == ds->dev - && st.st_ino == ds->ino &×pec_cmp (get_stat_mtime (&st), ds->mtime) ==0 ) {/* Unlink the placeholder, then create a hard link if possible,
Quoted 1 line
What do you think ?
I think this comparision is appropriate to confirm identity of the placeholder file.
I have no idea why inode number had changed as you reported. Symbolic links of nilfs2 are simply implemented.
If it's unique to nilfs2, you may hit some sort of timing issue. I think a sample tar file would be helpful to figure out what's happening.
Regards,
Ryusuke Konishi
Quoted 46 lines
Quoted 30 lines · David Arendt
Hi,
After using nilfs2 for half a year now on data partitions without any problems, I wanted to try it for the root partition. This way I discovered a silent random symbolic link corruption problem.
Versions:
latest nilfs2 git module
kernel 2.6.28.2
tar 1.20Step to reproduce it:
tar -xpf zz1.tar (where zz1.tar is a tar file containing many symbolic links (in my case a directory containing 2 root filesystems for remote booting)
On untar some symbolic links are missing and 0 byte files are existing instead.
I repeated the test 3 times on a freshly formated nilfs2 partition and always had other links missing.
I am currently trying to bzip2 the big tar file and untar this one in order to verify if there are no timing issues and will report back when this test is finished.
Could you please look into this ?
Quoted 9 lines
Thanks in advance
Bye,
David Arendt_______________________________________________
users mailing list
[email protected]
https://www.nilfs.org/mailman/listinfo/users_______________________________________________
users mailing list
[email protected]
https://www.nilfs.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Hi,
I am still inverstigating here, I created tar files with 100000 symbolic links, and they extracted without any problem. Only a tar of my whole nfsroot directory fails to extract properly to nilfs2, but does correctly to ext4.I wouldn't mind giving you that files, but it are 3.3gbytes. What is also curious is that the stat calls in tar seem to return the right inode number, but at the check, it is 0. I am currently adding debugging printfs to tar in hope to catch the problem this way.
Bye,
David Arendt
Quoted 114 lines · Ryusuke Konishi
Hi David,
Quoted 14 lines · David Arendt
Hi,
I narrowed the problem down. I'm not sure if it's a problem of tar or of nifls2.
Tar handles symbolic links this way:
during extraction: if symbolic link and absolute path create a 0 byte file and record link and stat information
after extraction: for every symbolic link verify that actual st_dev,st_ino and
st_mtimeare the same as on creation of the 0 byte file, and only then create the linkQuoted 6 lines
for some 0 byte files
st_inois different between the first and the second stat of the 0 byte file. As I don't know the nilfs2 internal behavior, so could you please tell me if this is the normal behavior of nilfs2 or if there is something strange with this ? If it's the normal behavior, maybe I should file a bug for tar ?This behavior seems unusual.
Could you send me a small tar file which can reproduce the problem ?Quoted 17 lines
This patch for tar 1.21 solves the symlink problem but I don't know if the problem is to be solved on the tar end or on the nilfs2 end.
diff -Naur
tar-1.21/src/extract.ctar-1.21.new/src/extract.csrc/extract.c +0
-1@@ -1267,7 +1267,6 @@removed by a later extraction. */ if (lstat (source, &st) ==0 && st.st_dev == ds->dev - && st.st_ino == ds->ino &×pec_cmp (get_stat_mtime (&st), ds->mtime) ==0 ) {/* Unlink the placeholder, then create a hard link if possible, Quoted 2 lines
What do you think ?
I think this comparision is appropriate to confirm identity of the placeholder file.
I have no idea why inode number had changed as you reported. Symbolic links of nilfs2 are simply implemented.
If it's unique to nilfs2, you may hit some sort of timing issue. I think a sample tar file would be helpful to figure out what's happening.
Regards,
Ryusuke KonishiQuoted 42 lines
Quoted 30 lines · David Arendt
Hi,
After using nilfs2 for half a year now on data partitions without any problems, I wanted to try it for the root partition. This way I discovered a silent random symbolic link corruption problem.
Versions:
latest nilfs2 git module
kernel 2.6.28.2
tar 1.20Step to reproduce it:
tar -xpf zz1.tar (where zz1.tar is a tar file containing many symbolic links (in my case a directory containing 2 root filesystems for remote booting)
On untar some symbolic links are missing and 0 byte files are existing instead.
I repeated the test 3 times on a freshly formated nilfs2 partition and always had other links missing.
I am currently trying to bzip2 the big tar file and untar this one in order to verify if there are no timing issues and will report back when this test is finished.
Could you please look into this ?
Quoted 10 lines
Thanks in advance
Bye,
David Arendt_______________________________________________
users mailing list
[email protected]
https://www.nilfs.org/mailman/listinfo/usersQuoted 5 lines
_______________________________________________
users mailing list
[email protected]
https://www.nilfs.org/mailman/listinfo/users_______________________________________________
users mailing list
[email protected]
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Hi,
Well in fact I cannot find where the problem is coming from. I am also not sure if tar or nilfs2 is causing it. Actually I am using tar -xPpf as this will create symlinks directly without passing through the sometimes failing delaying mechanism. Please tell me if you want any further information.
Bye,
David Arendt
Quoted 142 lines · David Arendt
Hi,
I am still inverstigating here, I created tar files with 100000 symbolic links, and they extracted without any problem. Only a tar of my whole nfsroot directory fails to extract properly to nilfs2, but does correctly to ext4.I wouldn't mind giving you that files, but it are 3.3gbytes. What is also curious is that the stat calls in tar seem to return the right inode number, but at the check, it is 0. I am currently adding debugging printfs to tar in hope to catch the problem this way.
Bye,
David ArendtQuoted 115 lines · Ryusuke Konishi
Hi David,
Quoted 14 lines · David Arendt
Hi,
I narrowed the problem down. I'm not sure if it's a problem of tar or of nifls2.
Tar handles symbolic links this way:
during extraction: if symbolic link and absolute path create a 0 byte file and record link and stat information
after extraction: for every symbolic link verify that actual st_dev,st_ino and
st_mtimeare the same as on creation of the 0 byte file, and only then create the linkQuoted 7 lines
for some 0 byte files
st_inois different between the first and the second stat of the 0 byte file. As I don't know the nilfs2 internal behavior, so could you please tell me if this is the normal behavior of nilfs2 or if there is something strange with this ? If it's the normal behavior, maybe I should file a bug for tar ?This behavior seems unusual.
Could you send me a small tar file which can reproduce the problem ?Quoted 17 lines
This patch for tar 1.21 solves the symlink problem but I don't know if the problem is to be solved on the tar end or on the nilfs2 end.
diff -Naur
tar-1.21/src/extract.ctar-1.21.new/src/extract.csrc/extract.c +0
-1@@ -1267,7 +1267,6 @@removed by a later extraction. */ if (lstat (source, &st) ==0 && st.st_dev == ds->dev - && st.st_ino == ds->ino &×pec_cmp (get_stat_mtime (&st), ds->mtime) ==0 ) {/* Unlink the placeholder, then create a hard link if possible, Quoted 3 lines
What do you think ?
I think this comparision is appropriate to confirm identity of the placeholder file.
I have no idea why inode number had changed as you reported. Symbolic links of nilfs2 are simply implemented.
If it's unique to nilfs2, you may hit some sort of timing issue. I think a sample tar file would be helpful to figure out what's happening.
Regards,
Ryusuke KonishiQuoted 44 lines
Quoted 30 lines · David Arendt
Hi,
After using nilfs2 for half a year now on data partitions without any problems, I wanted to try it for the root partition. This way I discovered a silent random symbolic link corruption problem.
Versions:
latest nilfs2 git module
kernel 2.6.28.2
tar 1.20Step to reproduce it:
tar -xpf zz1.tar (where zz1.tar is a tar file containing many symbolic links (in my case a directory containing 2 root filesystems for remote booting)
On untar some symbolic links are missing and 0 byte files are existing instead.
I repeated the test 3 times on a freshly formated nilfs2 partition and always had other links missing.
I am currently trying to bzip2 the big tar file and untar this one in order to verify if there are no timing issues and will report back when this test is finished.
Could you please look into this ?
Quoted 11 lines
Thanks in advance
Bye,
David Arendt_______________________________________________
users mailing list
[email protected]
https://www.nilfs.org/mailman/listinfo/usersQuoted 6 lines
_______________________________________________
users mailing list
[email protected]
https://www.nilfs.org/mailman/listinfo/usersQuoted 6 lines
_______________________________________________
users mailing list
[email protected]
https://www.nilfs.org/mailman/listinfo/users_______________________________________________
users mailing list
[email protected]
https://www.nilfs.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Hi David,
Quoted 10 lines · David Arendt
Hi,
Well in fact I cannot find where the problem is coming from. I am also not sure if tar or nilfs2 is causing it. Actually I am using tar -xPpf as this will create symlinks directly without passing through the sometimes failing delaying mechanism. Please tell me if you want any further information.
Bye,
David Arendt
Is your nilfs stable these days?
We found this was a timestamp resolution problem.
As you informed us, tar creates intermediate zero byte files for symlinks and change them to real symlinks at the last.
The problem is the tar checks mtime between the originals and the intermediate files for identification and the comparison uses nano-second values.
Some filesystems including ext3 and nilfs2, do not support nano-second timestamps on disk, so nano-second mtime values have possibility to reset to zero when flushed from memory. This is the reason why you saw the problem randomly.
The solution for this is
1) supporting nano second time-stamps.
2) changing tar program to stop comparison of nano-second time values
3) changing tar to stop the comparison if underlying filesystem does not support the resolution.
The solution 1 suffers compatiblity problem for filesystems. Maybe nilfs should support nano second timestamps, but the inode of nilfs is unfortunately short 32-bits for this. :(
If I can allot one 64-bit field of the btree root array, this can be possible. But it breaks the compatibility. Another candidate is an unused 64-bit field reserved for extended attribute. But I'd like to reserve it as is because it is enough important. So it's thorny.
The solution 3 requires a new kernel interface. Actually this was discussed recently in the kernel mailing list, but it's unconcluded.
I don't know why the tar requires such intermediate file, but the 3 seems required at the thought of conventional file systems.
Regards,
Ryusuke
Quoted 117 lines
Quoted 116 lines · David Arendt
Hi,
I am still inverstigating here, I created tar files with 100000 symbolic links, and they extracted without any problem. Only a tar of my whole nfsroot directory fails to extract properly to nilfs2, but does correctly to ext4.I wouldn't mind giving you that files, but it are 3.3gbytes. What is also curious is that the stat calls in tar seem to return the right inode number, but at the check, it is 0. I am currently adding debugging printfs to tar in hope to catch the problem this way.
Bye,
David ArendtQuoted 101 lines · Ryusuke Konishi
Hi David,
Quoted 14 lines · David Arendt
Hi,
I narrowed the problem down. I'm not sure if it's a problem of tar or of nifls2.
Tar handles symbolic links this way:
during extraction: if symbolic link and absolute path create a 0 byte file and record link and stat information
after extraction: for every symbolic link verify that actual st_dev,st_ino and
st_mtimeare the same as on creation of the 0 byte file, and only then create the linkQuoted 7 lines
for some 0 byte files
st_inois different between the first and the second stat of the 0 byte file. As I don't know the nilfs2 internal behavior, so could you please tell me if this is the normal behavior of nilfs2 or if there is something strange with this ? If it's the normal behavior, maybe I should file a bug for tar ?This behavior seems unusual.
Could you send me a small tar file which can reproduce the problem ?Quoted 17 lines
This patch for tar 1.21 solves the symlink problem but I don't know if the problem is to be solved on the tar end or on the nilfs2 end.
diff -Naur
tar-1.21/src/extract.ctar-1.21.new/src/extract.csrc/extract.c +0
-1@@ -1267,7 +1267,6 @@removed by a later extraction. */ if (lstat (source, &st) ==0 && st.st_dev == ds->dev - && st.st_ino == ds->ino &×pec_cmp (get_stat_mtime (&st), ds->mtime) ==0 ) {/* Unlink the placeholder, then create a hard link if possible, Quoted 3 lines
What do you think ?
I think this comparision is appropriate to confirm identity of the placeholder file.
I have no idea why inode number had changed as you reported. Symbolic links of nilfs2 are simply implemented.
If it's unique to nilfs2, you may hit some sort of timing issue. I think a sample tar file would be helpful to figure out what's happening.
Regards,
Ryusuke KonishiQuoted 36 lines
Quoted 33 lines · David Arendt
Hi,
After using nilfs2 for half a year now on data partitions without any problems, I wanted to try it for the root partition. This way I discovered a silent random symbolic link corruption problem.
Versions:
latest nilfs2 git module
kernel 2.6.28.2
tar 1.20Step to reproduce it:
tar -xpf zz1.tar (where zz1.tar is a tar file containing many symbolic links (in my case a directory containing 2 root filesystems for remote booting)
On untar some symbolic links are missing and 0 byte files are existing instead.
I repeated the test 3 times on a freshly formated nilfs2 partition and always had other links missing.
I am currently trying to bzip2 the big tar file and untar this one in order to verify if there are no timing issues and will report back when this test is finished.
Could you please look into this ?
Thanks in advance
Bye,
David Arendt
Quoted 7 lines · Ryusuke Konishi
Maybe nilfs should support nano second timestamps, but the inode of nilfs is unfortunately short 32-bits for this. :(
If I can allot one 64-bit field of the btree root array, this can be possible. But it breaks the compatibility. Another candidate is an unused 64-bit field reserved for extended attribute. But I'd like to reserve it as is because it is enough important. So it's thorny.
I just noticed another possibility. The current nilfs inodes have 64-bit dtime field, which stores their deletion time and is not used during inode is alive. We may apply this for the nano-second time stamps without breaking compatibility. I'll think for a second.
Cheers,
Ryusuke
Quoted 21 lines · Ryusuke Konishi
Some filesystems including ext3 and nilfs2, do not support nano-second timestamps on disk, so nano-second mtime values have possibility to reset to zero when flushed from memory. This is the reason why you saw the problem randomly.
The solution for this is
1) supporting nano second time-stamps.
2) changing tar program to stop comparison of nano-second time values
3) changing tar to stop the comparison if underlying filesystem does not support the resolution.The solution 1 suffers compatiblity problem for filesystems. Maybe nilfs should support nano second timestamps, but the inode of nilfs is unfortunately short 32-bits for this. :(
If I can allot one 64-bit field of the btree root array, this can be possible. But it breaks the compatibility. Another candidate is an unused 64-bit field reserved for extended attribute. But I'd like to reserve it as is because it is enough important. So it's thorny.
Quoted 5 lines
The solution 3 requires a new kernel interface. Actually this was discussed recently in the kernel mailing list, but it's unconcluded.
I don't know why the tar requires such intermediate file, but the 3 seems required at the thought of conventional file systems.
I've found the cause of this problem in timestamp initialization of on-memory nilfs inode. It initialized timestamps with valid nano second values even though nilfs does not support it on disk.
It seems not to be a tar problem, and maybe properly handled file systems (e.g. ext3) does not suffer the problem.
By applying the following patch, this problem may be solved.
However, I'd like to support nano-second timestamp in the next release in the way I wrote in the previous mail. I think the high resolution timestamp is an important feature for file systems of today.
Regards,
Ryusuke Konishi
fs/inode.c +1 -1
@@ -355,7 +355,7 @@ struct inode *nilfs_new_inode(struct inode *dir, int mode) inode->i_blksize =PAGE_SIZE ;/* This is the optimal IO size (for stat), not fs block size */ #endif - inode->i_mtime = inode->i_atime = inode->i_ctime =CURRENT_TIME ; + inode->i_mtime = inode->i_atime = inode->i_ctime =CURRENT_TIME_SEC ;if (S_ISREG (mode) ||S_ISDIR (mode) ||S_ISLNK (mode)) { err =nilfs_bmap_read (ii->i_bmap,NULL );