OT: Intel-Matrix for VT-capability?
Hi,
Im looking for an abillity seeing vt-capability of Intel-processors by there name :-/
I.e. T7200 has vt, T3400 has not. Exists a rule for the naming scheme seeing vt-capability? Alternatively, exists a matrix anywhere in the net for this?
Im tired searching for vt-capability for every new OEM-intel-processor. On intel-site _did_ exist a pdf-table (not all processors, but most of T-series), but it seems to be removed.
Hfh,
Oliver
Quoted 7 lines · Oliver Rath <rath68 <at> web.de> writes:
Im looking for an abillity seeing vt-capability of Intel-processors by there name :-/
I.e. T7200 has vt, T3400 has not. Exists a rule for the naming scheme seeing vt-capability? Alternatively, exists a matrix anywhere in the net for this?
Browse http://processorfinder.intel.com - Intel VT is reflected by the presence of "Intel® Virtualization Technology" in the supported feature list.
T7200: http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL9SL
T3400: http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLB3P
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Im tired searching for vt-capability for every new OEM-intel-processor. On intel-site _did_ exist a pdf-table (not all processors, but most of T-series), but it seems to be removed.
You are probably talking about the price list PDF file at
http://www.intc.com/priceList.cfm
I too am very annoyed that so many entry-level and medium-level Intel processors don't seem to support Intel VT. For example the less expensive one supporting VT is the Core 2 Duo E8400 at $163. Whereas in the case of AMD even their cheap $40 processors support AMD-V.
-marc
Quoted 5 lines · Oliver Rath
Hi,
Im looking for an abillity seeing vt-capability of Intel-processors by there name :-/
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I.e. T7200 has vt, T3400 has not. Exists a rule for the naming scheme seeing vt-capability? Alternatively, exists a matrix anywhere in the net for this?
Im tired searching for vt-capability for every new OEM-intel-processor. On intel-site _did_ exist a pdf-table (not all processors, but most of T-series), but it seems to be removed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors is quite good here. As a rule of thumb, anything higher than 6000 will have VT, anything below 6000 will not. Interesting exceptions are
Doesn't have VT: E7300, Q8200, Q8400, E8190 Does have VT: T5600, U2xxx, SU3xxx, Celeron 900 (?) May have VT[1]: T5500, Q8300, E7400, E7500, E5300, E5400
Interestingly, when you look at the price list, you will see that *all* processors that are not being obviously phased out (i.e. have the same or higher price as a superior model) and carry a Pentium or Core 2 name come with VT enabled. I think it's very unlikely that they will come out with anything new that does not run KVM.
Arnd <><
[1] http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Auch-billigere-Intel-Prozessoren-bald-mit-Virtualisierungsbefehlen--/meldung/136306
[2] http://www.intc.com/priceList.cfm
Quoted 5 lines · Arnd Bergmann <arnd <at> arndb.de> writes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors is quite good here. As a rule of thumb, anything higher than 6000 will have VT, anything below 6000 will not. Interesting exceptions are
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Doesn't have VT: E7300, Q8200, Q8400, E8190 Does have VT: T5600, U2xxx, SU3xxx, Celeron 900 (?) May have VT[1]: T5500, Q8300, E7400, E7500, E5300, E5400
Interestingly, when you look at the price list, you will see that *all* processors that are not being obviously phased out (i.e. have the same or higher price as a superior model) and carry a Pentium or Core 2 name come with VT enabled.
This is very wrong:
- none of the Pentium, Celeron, Atom processors, even the latest ones, come with VT
- none of the Core 2 Duo E7xxx and Core 2 Quad Q8xxx support VT Be very careful into what you buy, check processorfinder.intel.com.
Interestingly I found out that Intel will enable VT on a very small number of Core 2 and Pentium processors on June 12:
http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?shownews=25886
-marc
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Quoted 4 lines · Arnd Bergmann <arnd <at> arndb.de> writes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors is quite good here. As a rule of thumb, anything higher than 6000 will have VT, anything below 6000 will not. Interesting exceptions are
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Doesn't have VT: E7300, Q8200, Q8400, E8190 Does have VT: T5600, U2xxx, SU3xxx, Celeron 900 (?) May have VT[1]: T5500, Q8300, E7400, E7500, E5300, E5400
Interestingly, when you look at the price list, you will see that *all* processors that are not being obviously phased out (i.e. have the same or higher price as a superior model) and carry a Pentium or Core 2 name come with VT enabled.
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This is very wrong:
- none of the Pentium, Celeron, Atom processors, even the latest ones, come with VT
According to processorfinder, 3 out of the 8 Atoms come with VT. Some Pentium Ds also do. Maybe some Celerons.
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- none of the Core 2 Duo E7xxx and Core 2 Quad Q8xxx support VT
Most Core 2s do support VT.
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Be very careful into what you buy, check processorfinder.intel.com.
Interestingly I found out that Intel will enable VT on a very small number of Core 2 and Pentium processors on June 12:
That's in addition to currently supported processors.
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As a rule of thumb, anything higher than 6000 will have VT,
anything below 6000 will not. Interesting exceptions areDoesn't have VT: E7300, Q8200, Q8400, E8190 Does have VT: T5600, U2xxx, SU3xxx, Celeron 900 (?) May have VT[1]: T5500, Q8300, E7400, E7500, E5300, E5400
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Interestingly, when you look at the price list, you will see that *all* processors that are not being obviously phased out (i.e. have the same or higher price as a superior model) and carry a Pentium or Core 2 name come with VT enabled.
This is very wrong:
- none of the Pentium, Celeron, Atom processors, even the latest ones, come with VT
All Pentium and Celeron processors have numbers below 6000, so they fit in the rule of thumb I gave above. The Celeron 900 is listed as having VT on the processorfinder, but that also incorrectly lists it as having two cores, so who knows?
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- none of the Core 2 Duo E7xxx and Core 2 Quad Q8xxx support VT Be very careful into what you buy, check processorfinder.intel.com.
Interestingly I found out that Intel will enable VT on a very small number of Core 2 and Pentium processors on June 12:
http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?shownews=25886
These are the ones I listed above as 'may have VT':
Q8300, E7400, E7500, E5300, E5400. The link I gave was to another article mentioning these exact numbers. The E7300, Q8200 and Q8400 I listed as 'Doesn't have VT' are the remaining ones E7xxx and Q8xxx processors, which appear to be phased out (not sure about Q8400, which was announced at the same time as this news).
Arnd <><
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Quoted 4 lines · Marc Bevand
This is very wrong:
- none of the Pentium, Celeron, Atom processors, even the latest ones, come with VTAccording to processorfinder, 3 out of the 8 Atoms come with VT. Some Pentium Ds also do. Maybe some Celerons.
Hmm, correct: some Atoms from the less common Z series do support VT. Sheesh even Intel managed to confuse me :-)
Pentium D: Arnd and I were both talking about models "that are not being obviously phased out". Pentium D is based on the NetBurst microarch. None of the currently sold Core microarch-based Pentiums support VT (which is why Arnd's post that said some did support VT made me raise an eyebrow as this is clearly wrong).
Celeron: Arnd correctly pointed out that out of the hundreds of Celeron models, only 1 mobile one supports VT: Celeron 900 (interesting find).
-marc