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DISCUSSION Trevor Woerner 19 participants 26 messages Jan 9, 2014 – Jan 12, 2014

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Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

meta-aarch64
meta-acer
meta-ada
meta-android
meta-angstrom
meta-arago-distro
meta-arago-extras
meta-asus
meta-aurora
meta-baryon
meta-beagleboard
meta-beagleboard-extras
meta-browser
meta-bug
meta-buglabs
meta-chicken
meta-chiefriver
meta-clutter
meta-crownbay
meta-crystalforest
meta-cubox
meta-darwin
meta-eca
meta-efikamx
meta-efl
meta-eldk
meta-emenlow
meta-erlang
meta-ettus
meta-filesystems
meta-fri2
meta-fsl-arm
meta-fsl-arm-extra
meta-fsl-demos
meta-fsl-ppc
meta-fso
meta-games
meta-geeksphone
meta-gir
meta-gnome
meta-gpe
meta-gstreamer10
meta-guacamayo
meta-gumstix
meta-gumstix-community
meta-gumstix-extras
meta-hamradio
meta-handheld
meta-hipos
meta-htc
meta-igep
meta-initramfs
meta-intel
meta-ivi
meta-jasperforest
meta-java
meta-kde
meta-kernel-dev
meta-kirkwood
meta-linaro
meta-linaro-toolchain
meta-lsi
meta-lxcbench
meta-measured
meta-mentor
meta-micro
meta-mingw
meta-minnow
meta-mono
meta-multimedia
meta-n450
meta-netbookpro
meta-netmodule
meta-networking
meta-nokia
meta-nslu2
meta-nuc
meta-oe
meta-openmoko
meta-openpandora
meta-openstack
meta-openstack-compute-deploy
meta-openstack-controller-deploy
meta-openstack-qemu
meta-opie
meta-oracle-java
meta-osmocombb
meta-ouya
meta-palm
meta-perl
meta-picosam9
meta-qt3
meta-qt5
meta-raspberrypi
meta-realtime
meta-ro-rootfs
meta-romley
meta-ros
meta-ruby
meta-samsung
meta-sdr
meta-security
meta-selinux
meta-shr
meta-shr-distro
meta-slugos
meta-smalltalk
meta-sourcery
meta-sugarbay
meta-sunxi
meta-sys940x
meta-systemd
meta-telephony
meta-telldus
meta-ti
meta-tlk
meta-tracing
meta-virtualization
meta-web-kiosk
meta-webos
meta-webos-ports
meta-webserver
meta-woce
meta-x10
meta-xfce
meta-xilinx
meta-xilinx-community
meta-yassl
meta-yocto
meta-yocto-bsp
meta-zynq
meta-zynq-milo
openembedded-core
toolchain-layer

Thank you for your input, and best regards,
Trevor

[1] http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/layers/

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Quoted 6 lines · Trevor Woerner

Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

Wouldn't it be easier to do an initial sort based on commit activity ? Versus an opt-in query ?

Quoted 52 lines

meta-aarch64
meta-acer
meta-ada
meta-android
meta-angstrom
meta-arago-distro
meta-arago-extras
meta-asus
meta-aurora
meta-baryon
meta-beagleboard
meta-beagleboard-extras
meta-browser
meta-bug
meta-buglabs
meta-chicken
meta-chiefriver
meta-clutter
meta-crownbay
meta-crystalforest
meta-cubox
meta-darwin
meta-eca
meta-efikamx
meta-efl
meta-eldk
meta-emenlow
meta-erlang
meta-ettus
meta-filesystems
meta-fri2
meta-fsl-arm
meta-fsl-arm-extra
meta-fsl-demos
meta-fsl-ppc
meta-fso
meta-games
meta-geeksphone
meta-gir
meta-gnome
meta-gpe
meta-gstreamer10
meta-guacamayo
meta-gumstix
meta-gumstix-community
meta-gumstix-extras
meta-hamradio
meta-handheld
meta-hipos
meta-htc

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meta-igep
meta-initramfs
meta-intel
meta-ivi
meta-jasperforest
meta-java
meta-kde
meta-kernel-dev

maintained.

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meta-kirkwood
meta-linaro
meta-linaro-toolchain
meta-lsi
meta-lxcbench
meta-measured
meta-mentor
meta-micro
meta-mingw
meta-minnow
meta-mono
meta-multimedia
meta-n450
meta-netbookpro
meta-netmodule
meta-networking
meta-nokia
meta-nslu2

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meta-nuc
meta-oe
meta-openmoko
meta-openpandora
meta-openstack
meta-openstack-compute-deploy
meta-openstack-controller-deploy
meta-openstack-qemu

All openstack layers are maintained.

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meta-opie
meta-oracle-java
meta-osmocombb
meta-ouya
meta-palm
meta-perl
meta-picosam9
meta-qt3
meta-qt5
meta-raspberrypi
meta-realtime

mantained

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meta-ro-rootfs
meta-romley
meta-ros
meta-ruby
meta-samsung
meta-sdr
meta-security
meta-selinux
meta-shr
meta-shr-distro
meta-slugos
meta-smalltalk
meta-sourcery
meta-sugarbay
meta-sunxi

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meta-sys940x
meta-systemd
meta-telephony
meta-telldus
meta-ti
meta-tlk
meta-tracing
meta-virtualization

maintained

But I can't say if I didn't miss something I maintain in the list, since it is long and I scanned
it quickly.

Bruce

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meta-web-kiosk
meta-webos
meta-webos-ports
meta-webserver
meta-woce
meta-x10
meta-xfce
meta-xilinx
meta-xilinx-community
meta-yassl
meta-yocto
meta-yocto-bsp
meta-zynq
meta-zynq-milo
openembedded-core
toolchain-layer

Thank you for your input, and best regards,
Trevor

[1] http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/layers/
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Quoted 11 lines · Bruce Ashfield
Quoted 6 lines · Trevor Woerner

Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

Wouldn't it be easier to do an initial sort based on commit activity ? Versus an opt-in query ?

I agree.. see below for mine..

Quoted 104 lines
Quoted 52 lines

meta-aarch64
meta-acer
meta-ada
meta-android
meta-angstrom
meta-arago-distro
meta-arago-extras
meta-asus
meta-aurora
meta-baryon
meta-beagleboard
meta-beagleboard-extras
meta-browser
meta-bug
meta-buglabs
meta-chicken
meta-chiefriver
meta-clutter
meta-crownbay
meta-crystalforest
meta-cubox
meta-darwin
meta-eca
meta-efikamx
meta-efl
meta-eldk
meta-emenlow
meta-erlang
meta-ettus
meta-filesystems
meta-fri2
meta-fsl-arm
meta-fsl-arm-extra
meta-fsl-demos
meta-fsl-ppc
meta-fso
meta-games
meta-geeksphone
meta-gir
meta-gnome
meta-gpe
meta-gstreamer10
meta-guacamayo
meta-gumstix
meta-gumstix-community
meta-gumstix-extras
meta-hamradio
meta-handheld
meta-hipos
meta-htc

Quoted 8 lines

meta-igep
meta-initramfs
meta-intel
meta-ivi
meta-jasperforest
meta-java
meta-kde
meta-kernel-dev

maintained.

Quoted 18 lines

meta-kirkwood
meta-linaro
meta-linaro-toolchain
meta-lsi
meta-lxcbench
meta-measured
meta-mentor
meta-micro
meta-mingw
meta-minnow
meta-mono
meta-multimedia
meta-n450
meta-netbookpro
meta-netmodule
meta-networking
meta-nokia
meta-nslu2

Quoted 8 lines

meta-nuc
meta-oe
meta-openmoko
meta-openpandora
meta-openstack
meta-openstack-compute-deploy
meta-openstack-controller-deploy
meta-openstack-qemu

All openstack layers are maintained.

Quoted 11 lines

meta-opie
meta-oracle-java
meta-osmocombb
meta-ouya
meta-palm
meta-perl
meta-picosam9
meta-qt3
meta-qt5
meta-raspberrypi
meta-realtime

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mantained

Quoted 8 lines

meta-ro-rootfs
meta-romley
meta-ros
meta-ruby
meta-samsung
meta-sdr
meta-security
meta-selinux

maintained

Quoted 56 lines
Quoted 7 lines

meta-shr
meta-shr-distro
meta-slugos
meta-smalltalk
meta-sourcery
meta-sugarbay
meta-sunxi

Quoted 8 lines

meta-sys940x
meta-systemd
meta-telephony
meta-telldus
meta-ti
meta-tlk
meta-tracing
meta-virtualization

maintained

But I can't say if I didn't miss something I maintain in the list, since it is long and I scanned
it quickly.

Bruce

Quoted 29 lines

meta-web-kiosk
meta-webos
meta-webos-ports
meta-webserver
meta-woce
meta-x10
meta-xfce
meta-xilinx
meta-xilinx-community
meta-yassl
meta-yocto
meta-yocto-bsp
meta-zynq
meta-zynq-milo
openembedded-core
toolchain-layer

Thank you for your input, and best regards,
Trevor

[1] http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/layers/
_______________________________________________
Openembedded-core mailing list [email protected]
http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-core

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Quoted 10 lines · Mark Hatle
Quoted 9 lines · Bruce Ashfield
Quoted 6 lines · Trevor Woerner

Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

Quoted 5 lines
Quoted 3 lines

Wouldn't it be easier to do an initial sort based on commit activity ? Versus an
opt-in query ?

I agree.. see below for mine..

To be honest, I had asked people to indicate which layers they thought were *un*maintained (since I assumed that list would be small), but this way works too.

Interestingly enough, had I sorted the list on commit activity, according to http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/?s=idle
meta-realtime hasn't been touched in 10 months which would make me suspect it was abandoned.

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In reply to Bruce Ashfield
Quoted 11 lines · Bruce Ashfield
Quoted 6 lines · Trevor Woerner

Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

Wouldn't it be easier to do an initial sort based on commit activity ? Versus an opt-in query ?

Some BSPs are valid for very long time without any commit in it. So I think it will show a lot of false-possitives.

Quoted 175 lines
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meta-aarch64
meta-acer
meta-ada
meta-android
meta-angstrom
meta-arago-distro
meta-arago-extras
meta-asus
meta-aurora
meta-baryon
meta-beagleboard
meta-beagleboard-extras
meta-browser
meta-bug
meta-buglabs
meta-chicken
meta-chiefriver
meta-clutter
meta-crownbay
meta-crystalforest
meta-cubox
meta-darwin
meta-eca
meta-efikamx
meta-efl
meta-eldk
meta-emenlow
meta-erlang
meta-ettus
meta-filesystems
meta-fri2
meta-fsl-arm
meta-fsl-arm-extra
meta-fsl-demos
meta-fsl-ppc
meta-fso
meta-games
meta-geeksphone
meta-gir
meta-gnome
meta-gpe
meta-gstreamer10
meta-guacamayo
meta-gumstix
meta-gumstix-community
meta-gumstix-extras
meta-hamradio
meta-handheld
meta-hipos
meta-htc

Quoted 8 lines

meta-igep
meta-initramfs
meta-intel
meta-ivi
meta-jasperforest
meta-java
meta-kde
meta-kernel-dev

maintained.

Quoted 18 lines

meta-kirkwood
meta-linaro
meta-linaro-toolchain
meta-lsi
meta-lxcbench
meta-measured
meta-mentor
meta-micro
meta-mingw
meta-minnow
meta-mono
meta-multimedia
meta-n450
meta-netbookpro
meta-netmodule
meta-networking
meta-nokia
meta-nslu2

Quoted 8 lines

meta-nuc
meta-oe
meta-openmoko
meta-openpandora
meta-openstack
meta-openstack-compute-deploy
meta-openstack-controller-deploy
meta-openstack-qemu

All openstack layers are maintained.

Quoted 11 lines

meta-opie
meta-oracle-java
meta-osmocombb
meta-ouya
meta-palm
meta-perl
meta-picosam9
meta-qt3
meta-qt5
meta-raspberrypi
meta-realtime

mantained

Quoted 15 lines

meta-ro-rootfs
meta-romley
meta-ros
meta-ruby
meta-samsung
meta-sdr
meta-security
meta-selinux
meta-shr
meta-shr-distro
meta-slugos
meta-smalltalk
meta-sourcery
meta-sugarbay
meta-sunxi

Quoted 8 lines

meta-sys940x
meta-systemd
meta-telephony
meta-telldus
meta-ti
meta-tlk
meta-tracing
meta-virtualization

maintained

But I can't say if I didn't miss something I maintain in the list, since it is long and I scanned
it quickly.

Bruce

Quoted 29 lines

meta-web-kiosk
meta-webos
meta-webos-ports
meta-webserver
meta-woce
meta-x10
meta-xfce
meta-xilinx
meta-xilinx-community
meta-yassl
meta-yocto
meta-yocto-bsp
meta-zynq
meta-zynq-milo
openembedded-core
toolchain-layer

Thank you for your input, and best regards,
Trevor

[1] http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/layers/
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In reply to Trevor Woerner
Quoted 17 lines · Trevor Woerner
Quoted 10 lines · Mark Hatle
Quoted 9 lines · Bruce Ashfield
Quoted 6 lines · Trevor Woerner

Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

Quoted 5 lines
Quoted 3 lines

Wouldn't it be easier to do an initial sort based on commit activity ? Versus an
opt-in query ?

I agree.. see below for mine..

Quoted 8 lines

To be honest, I had asked people to indicate which layers they thought were *un*maintained (since I assumed that list would be small), but this way works too.

Interestingly enough, had I sorted the list on commit activity, according to http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/?s=idle
meta-realtime hasn't been touched in 10 months which would make me suspect it was abandoned.

This approach is a good test of which layer maintainers are paying attention to list traffic :)

Philip

Quoted 6 lines

_______________________________________________
Openembedded-core mailing list
[email protected]
http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-core

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In reply to Martin Jansa
Quoted 5 lines · Martin Jansa
Quoted 4 lines · Bruce Ashfield
Quoted 2 lines · Trevor Woerner

Hi everyone,

Quoted 9 lines
Quoted 6 lines
Quoted 4 lines

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

Wouldn't it be easier to do an initial sort based on commit activity ?

Versus an

Quoted 1 line

opt-in query ?

In case we're sticking to opt-in rather than opt-out, meta-mentor, meta-sourcery, meta-ro-rootfs, and meta-tracing are maintained by Mentor Graphics at this time. :)

Signature · 5 lines
Christopher Larson
clarson at kergoth dot com
Founder - BitBake, OpenEmbedded, OpenZaurus
Maintainer - Tslib
Senior Software Engineer, Mentor Graphics
#9 lore raw
In reply to Martin Jansa
Quoted 10 lines · Martin Jansa
Quoted 9 lines · Bruce Ashfield
Quoted 6 lines · Trevor Woerner

Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

Quoted 5 lines
Quoted 2 lines

Wouldn't it be easier to do an initial sort based on commit activity ? Versus an opt-in query ?

Some BSPs are valid for very long time without any commit in it. So I think it will show a lot of false-possitives.

Just false "suspicions" :)

Bruce

Quoted 179 lines
Quoted 169 lines
Quoted 51 lines

meta-aarch64
meta-acer
meta-ada
meta-android
meta-angstrom
meta-arago-distro
meta-arago-extras
meta-asus
meta-aurora
meta-baryon
meta-beagleboard
meta-beagleboard-extras
meta-browser
meta-bug
meta-buglabs
meta-chicken
meta-chiefriver
meta-clutter
meta-crownbay
meta-crystalforest
meta-cubox
meta-darwin
meta-eca
meta-efikamx
meta-efl
meta-eldk
meta-emenlow
meta-erlang
meta-ettus
meta-filesystems
meta-fri2
meta-fsl-arm
meta-fsl-arm-extra
meta-fsl-demos
meta-fsl-ppc
meta-fso
meta-games
meta-geeksphone
meta-gir
meta-gnome
meta-gpe
meta-gstreamer10
meta-guacamayo
meta-gumstix
meta-gumstix-community
meta-gumstix-extras
meta-hamradio
meta-handheld
meta-hipos
meta-htc

Quoted 8 lines

meta-igep
meta-initramfs
meta-intel
meta-ivi
meta-jasperforest
meta-java
meta-kde
meta-kernel-dev

maintained.

Quoted 18 lines

meta-kirkwood
meta-linaro
meta-linaro-toolchain
meta-lsi
meta-lxcbench
meta-measured
meta-mentor
meta-micro
meta-mingw
meta-minnow
meta-mono
meta-multimedia
meta-n450
meta-netbookpro
meta-netmodule
meta-networking
meta-nokia
meta-nslu2

Quoted 8 lines

meta-nuc
meta-oe
meta-openmoko
meta-openpandora
meta-openstack
meta-openstack-compute-deploy
meta-openstack-controller-deploy
meta-openstack-qemu

All openstack layers are maintained.

Quoted 11 lines

meta-opie
meta-oracle-java
meta-osmocombb
meta-ouya
meta-palm
meta-perl
meta-picosam9
meta-qt3
meta-qt5
meta-raspberrypi
meta-realtime

mantained

Quoted 15 lines

meta-ro-rootfs
meta-romley
meta-ros
meta-ruby
meta-samsung
meta-sdr
meta-security
meta-selinux
meta-shr
meta-shr-distro
meta-slugos
meta-smalltalk
meta-sourcery
meta-sugarbay
meta-sunxi

Quoted 8 lines

meta-sys940x
meta-systemd
meta-telephony
meta-telldus
meta-ti
meta-tlk
meta-tracing
meta-virtualization

maintained

But I can't say if I didn't miss something I maintain in the list, since it is long and I scanned
it quickly.

Bruce

Quoted 24 lines

meta-web-kiosk
meta-webos
meta-webos-ports
meta-webserver
meta-woce
meta-x10
meta-xfce
meta-xilinx
meta-xilinx-community
meta-yassl
meta-yocto
meta-yocto-bsp
meta-zynq
meta-zynq-milo
openembedded-core
toolchain-layer

Thank you for your input, and best regards,
Trevor

Quoted 5 lines

[1] http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/layers/
_______________________________________________
Openembedded-core mailing list [email protected]
http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-core

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"Thou shalt not follow the NULL pointer, for chaos and madness await
thee at its end"
#5 lore raw
In reply to Trevor Woerner
Quoted 15 lines · Trevor Woerner
Quoted 14 lines · Mark Hatle
Quoted 12 lines · Bruce Ashfield
Quoted 6 lines · Trevor Woerner

Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

Wouldn't it be easier to do an initial sort based on commit activity ? Versus an
opt-in query ?

Quoted 5 lines
Quoted 1 line

I agree.. see below for mine..

To be honest, I had asked people to indicate which layers they thought were *un*maintained (since I assumed that list would be small), but this way works too.

It's always easier to get answers to a question when presented with a clear statement (like sending a patch, or a small list in the case), since it is something
that people can quickly scan and react to ("Hey, they think my layer is unmaintained!").

But agreed, either way works (say if they are maintained or not) and you'll get the information, I just suspect you'll get it more quickly with a list that makes
a clear statement and throws things into initial buckets on their behalf.

Cheers,

Bruce

Quoted 9 lines

Interestingly enough, had I sorted the list on commit activity, according to http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/?s=idle
meta-realtime hasn't been touched in 10 months which would make me suspect it was abandoned.
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"Thou shalt not follow the NULL pointer, for chaos and madness await
thee at its end"
#6 lore raw
Quoted 17 lines · Bruce Ashfield
Quoted 15 lines · Trevor Woerner
Quoted 14 lines · Mark Hatle
Quoted 12 lines · Bruce Ashfield
Quoted 6 lines · Trevor Woerner

Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

Wouldn't it be easier to do an initial sort based on commit activity ? Versus an
opt-in query ?

Quoted 5 lines
Quoted 5 lines
Quoted 1 line

I agree.. see below for mine..

To be honest, I had asked people to indicate which layers they thought were *un*maintained (since I assumed that list would be small), but this way works too.

I maintain meta-games, though I have only very little time to give it
- not much activity to add new games, just keeping existing things working. That's to say that I would consider passing main maintainership, and keeping working only on my own games myself, to someone more active if someone steps up.

- ML

#10 lore raw
In reply to Trevor Woerner
Quoted 8 lines · Trevor Woerner

Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

...

Quoted 1 line

meta-gumstix-community

maintained
...

Quoted 1 line

meta-xfce

maintained
...

Andreas

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In reply to Trevor Woerner
Quoted 16 lines

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Trevor Woerner
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:45 AM
To: openembedded-core
Subject: [OE-core] unmaintained layers

Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

...

Quoted 1 line

meta-xilinx

Maintained.

Regards,
Nathan

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Quoted 9 lines · Trevor Woerner

Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

meta-aarch64

maintained.

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meta-acer
meta-ada
meta-android
meta-angstrom
meta-arago-distro
meta-arago-extras
meta-asus
meta-aurora
meta-baryon
meta-beagleboard
meta-beagleboard-extras
meta-browser
meta-bug
meta-buglabs
meta-chicken
meta-chiefriver
meta-clutter
meta-crownbay
meta-crystalforest
meta-cubox
meta-darwin
meta-eca
meta-efikamx
meta-efl
meta-eldk
meta-emenlow
meta-erlang
meta-ettus
meta-filesystems
meta-fri2
meta-fsl-arm
meta-fsl-arm-extra
meta-fsl-demos
meta-fsl-ppc
meta-fso
meta-games
meta-geeksphone
meta-gir
meta-gnome
meta-gpe
meta-gstreamer10
meta-guacamayo
meta-gumstix
meta-gumstix-community
meta-gumstix-extras
meta-hamradio
meta-handheld
meta-hipos
meta-htc
meta-igep
meta-initramfs
meta-intel
meta-ivi
meta-jasperforest
meta-java
meta-kde
meta-kernel-dev
meta-kirkwood

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meta-linaro
meta-linaro-toolchain

both maintained.

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meta-lsi
meta-lxcbench
meta-measured
meta-mentor
meta-micro
meta-mingw
meta-minnow
meta-mono
meta-multimedia
meta-n450
meta-netbookpro
meta-netmodule
meta-networking
meta-nokia
meta-nslu2
meta-nuc
meta-oe
meta-openmoko
meta-openpandora
meta-openstack
meta-openstack-compute-deploy
meta-openstack-controller-deploy
meta-openstack-qemu
meta-opie
meta-oracle-java
meta-osmocombb
meta-ouya
meta-palm
meta-perl
meta-picosam9
meta-qt3
meta-qt5
meta-raspberrypi
meta-realtime
meta-ro-rootfs
meta-romley
meta-ros
meta-ruby
meta-samsung
meta-sdr
meta-security
meta-selinux
meta-shr
meta-shr-distro
meta-slugos
meta-smalltalk
meta-sourcery
meta-sugarbay
meta-sunxi
meta-sys940x
meta-systemd
meta-telephony
meta-telldus
meta-ti
meta-tlk
meta-tracing
meta-virtualization
meta-web-kiosk
meta-webos
meta-webos-ports
meta-webserver
meta-woce
meta-x10
meta-xfce
meta-xilinx
meta-xilinx-community
meta-yassl
meta-yocto
meta-yocto-bsp
meta-zynq
meta-zynq-milo
openembedded-core
toolchain-layer

Thank you for your input, and best regards,
Trevor

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Cheers,
Fathi

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In reply to Trevor Woerner

Hi Trevor,

Quoted 6 lines · Trevor Woerner

Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

meta-ros is maintained.

Lukas

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In reply to Trevor Woerner
Quoted 9 lines · Trevor Woerner

Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

meta-filesystems

Maintained

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meta-perl

Maintained

//Hongxu

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In reply to Trevor Woerner
Quoted 11 lines

Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

Quoted 3 lines

meta-hipos

is maintained.

Mario

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In reply to Trevor Woerner
Quoted 4 lines · On Thursday 09 January 2014 13:45:23 Trevor Woerner wrote:

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

This is all very interesting with people piping up that their layers are maintained, but I'm not sure it helps solve the overall problem.

We have some immediate issues with patches to particular layers going unmerged. That's in the process of being resolved.

However, looking to the future it was suggested at the TSC meeting it would be nice to have some kind of measure or indication for the layer (ideally in the layer index) as to how well-maintained it is. Is there a practical and objective measurement we can have about the layer's maintenance status? I don't have a good idea of what this would actually mean - how many outstanding patches it has? How recently it has been built/tested?

Also, if it does appear that a layer has gone "unmaintained" by popular consensus, what should actually be done about it?

Cheers,
Paul

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Op 10 jan. 2014, om 15:01 heeft Paul Eggleton <[email protected]> het volgende geschreven:

Quoted 12 lines · On Thursday 09 January 2014 13:45:23 Trevor Woerner wrote:
Quoted 4 lines

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

This is all very interesting with people piping up that their layers are maintained, but I'm not sure it helps solve the overall problem.

We have some immediate issues with patches to particular layers going unmerged. That's in the process of being resolved.

Quoted 6 lines

However, looking to the future it was suggested at the TSC meeting it would be nice to have some kind of measure or indication for the layer (ideally in the layer index) as to how well-maintained it is. Is there a practical and objective measurement we can have about the layer's maintenance status? I don't have a good idea of what this would actually mean - how many outstanding patches it has? How recently it has been built/tested?

Or how long it takes a patch to get applied on average.

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In reply to Paul Eggleton

Hi Paul,

Quoted 5 lines · Paul Eggleton

This is all very interesting with people piping up that their layers are maintained, but I'm not sure it helps solve the overall problem.

Also, if it does appear that a layer has gone "unmaintained" by popular consensus, what should actually be done about it?

I was hoping I could put together a list of the layers which are no longer maintained to see if we could find people who might be interested in stepping up and taking on their maintenance. Or at the very least, clarifying a given layers' maintenance status.

At the last OE TSC meeting the issue of unmaintained layers was brought up, I asked several times if people could specify to which layers they were referring, but nobody replied. So people are concerned about layers that have no maintainer, but nobody can say which ones (?). In my opinion I thought it would be easier to solve this problem if we could at least start by defining it.

As to what can be done about it: if a layer is not maintained, and nobody cares for the layer, we should drop it from the list or at least mark it as such ("buyer beware"). If a layer is not maintained, and people do care, then we'll need to try to find someone to take responsibility for it (we should, at the very least, make the attempt). Also I think we should identify layers that people do care about, whose maintenance is questionable, which are not hosted in a way where the community can apply necessary patches to easily.

Best regards,
Trevor

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Quoted 14 lines · Trevor Woerner

Hi Paul,

Quoted 5 lines · Paul Eggleton

This is all very interesting with people piping up that their layers are maintained, but I'm not sure it helps solve the overall problem.

Also, if it does appear that a layer has gone "unmaintained" by popular consensus, what should actually be done about it?

I was hoping I could put together a list of the layers which are no longer maintained to see if we could find people who might be interested in stepping up and taking on their maintenance. Or at the very least, clarifying a given layers' maintenance status.

Quoted 6 lines

At the last OE TSC meeting the issue of unmaintained layers was brought up, I asked several times if people could specify to which layers they were referring, but nobody replied. So people are concerned about layers that have no maintainer, but nobody can say which ones (?). In my opinion I thought it would be easier to solve this problem if we could at least start by defining it.

BTW, I maintain meta-sdr.

Philip

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As to what can be done about it: if a layer is not maintained, and nobody cares for the layer, we should drop it from the list or at least mark it as such ("buyer beware"). If a layer is not maintained, and people do care, then we'll need to try to find someone to take responsibility for it (we should, at the very least, make the attempt). Also I think we should identify layers that people do care about, whose maintenance is questionable, which are not hosted in a way where the community can apply necessary patches to easily.

Best regards,
Trevor
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Quoted 1 line · Philip Balister

BTW, I maintain meta-sdr.

...and meta-ettus and meta-zynq?

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In reply to Trevor Woerner
Quoted 9 lines · Trevor Woerner

Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

Quoted 3 lines

meta-baryon
meta-security
meta-web-kiosk

These are being maintained

Sau!

Quoted 15 lines

Thank you for your input, and best regards,
Trevor

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#22 lore raw
In reply to Trevor Woerner

Hi,

Quoted 95 lines · Trevor Woerner

Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

meta-aarch64
meta-acer
meta-ada
meta-android
meta-angstrom
meta-arago-distro
meta-arago-extras
meta-asus
meta-aurora
meta-baryon
meta-beagleboard
meta-beagleboard-extras
meta-browser
meta-bug
meta-buglabs
meta-chicken
meta-chiefriver
meta-clutter
meta-crownbay
meta-crystalforest
meta-cubox
meta-darwin
meta-eca
meta-efikamx
meta-efl
meta-eldk
meta-emenlow
meta-erlang
meta-ettus
meta-filesystems
meta-fri2
meta-fsl-arm
meta-fsl-arm-extra
meta-fsl-demos
meta-fsl-ppc
meta-fso
meta-games
meta-geeksphone
meta-gir
meta-gnome
meta-gpe
meta-gstreamer10
meta-guacamayo
meta-gumstix
meta-gumstix-community
meta-gumstix-extras
meta-hamradio
meta-handheld
meta-hipos
meta-htc
meta-igep
meta-initramfs
meta-intel
meta-ivi
meta-jasperforest
meta-java
meta-kde
meta-kernel-dev
meta-kirkwood
meta-linaro
meta-linaro-toolchain
meta-lsi
meta-lxcbench
meta-measured
meta-mentor
meta-micro
meta-mingw
meta-minnow
meta-mono
meta-multimedia
meta-n450
meta-netbookpro
meta-netmodule
meta-networking
meta-nokia
meta-nslu2
meta-nuc
meta-oe
meta-openmoko
meta-openpandora
meta-openstack
meta-openstack-compute-deploy
meta-openstack-controller-deploy
meta-openstack-qemu
meta-opie
meta-oracle-java

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meta-osmocombb
meta-ouya
meta-palm
meta-perl
meta-picosam9
meta-qt3
meta-qt5
meta-raspberrypi

Maintained.

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In reply to Trevor Woerner
Quoted 6 lines · Trevor Woerner

Hi everyone,

At the last TSC meeting the topic of unmaintained layers came up. Here is the sorted list of master layers from the layer index [1], would it be possible for those in the know to indicate which layers are, or are suspected of being, unmaintained?

...

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meta-zynq-milo

Worse than unmaintained - this one was taken out of existence last Friday. I've already notified Paul Eggleton, so it should removed from the list soon.

Mike.

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Hi Mike,

Quoted 3 lines · Mike Looijmans

Worse than unmaintained - this one was taken out of existence last Friday. I've already notified Paul Eggleton, so it should removed from the list soon.

Excellent, thanks for the update :-)