RMS and reactions to him (YAWN)
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Believe me, it's childish. Nobody on lkml need/want to be defended.
AMEN. Andre doesn't defend anyone, just offends :)
Well ok he thinks "a guy called Tyketto" is correct in saying the kernel has been translated to ADA.
But people need to have free speech, y'know I believe LKML doesn't want that,
otherwise my other address wouldnt have been blocked ;-)
And anyway as I've already said, lifes a bitch. (thats right a female dog)
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RMS using a PRINTER hits LM with a pounding blown to the rear.
Not until he's made the high tech ink squirter work in Hurd :)
P.S
Q. If I calmly, rationally, and clearly state things which are not true, are self serving, and are not relevant to a forum, what should I expect in response?
A. Andre's praise.
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Cheers, Dean.
Now selling rights to MY GPL'd V.90/92/34 stack for £9,999.99 :)
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Dean,
Have you ever pondered the question why some of the new code in 2.5 is coming up with a dual-license of OSL/GPL ? Is it because OSL has some meaningful terms understood by the courts? Is it because the folks at OSI understand a bigger picture?
See I found it worthy enough to go and investigate.
What I found, I like.
So if the question was put before everyone to examine the OSL, is this a better and stronger license to protect the ideas of "free software" ?
If the conclusions resulted a large positive movement towards OSL and away from GPL, what do you expect the reponse from RMS would be to the following:
Richard, is there a way to make OSL and GPL compatable ? Richard, will you allow OSL and GPL to coexist ? Richard, can OSL superceed GPL ?
Richard, can you agree there may be a better license than GPL ? Richard, if people want to develop under OSL, what are the results
of the combined work?
Richard, if GPL can be improved by the adoption of OSL ideas,
what benefits are there to you idea to holding onto the past?
My concern is that vision and ideas started by RMS, are being clouded. OSL could have some more bit added to it, requiring the return of the changes to the original author, or the offending party is required to pay an alteration royality fee.
I do not know the what the best answer is today.
However, I am willing to put my money down (if I ever make any now) to draft a licenses that empowers the community with a real legal strong hold to protect its interest of Open Source, and keeping it open.
I like may other developers have/know/seen their work altered and not returned, yet without having a license with some teeth based in law already tried in courts, the personal risk is to great to pursue.
If I am a bad person for wanting to empower the community with stonger license than GPL, IMHO is superior to GPL, then I will gladdy be a bad person.
What we all hear is one person promoting one agenda with one idea, and the idea has clouded the vision. If another idea can carry the original vision further and closer to achieving that of the visionary, why stop half way down the road ?
Regards,
Andre Hedrick
LAD Storage Consulting Group
I have had enough of the mud slinging.
Oh, I think your address should be restored, regardless.
Did you know you can remove GPL from your work, but you can not take back what is out there now?
Quoted 37 lines · Dean McEwan
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Believe me, it's childish. Nobody on lkml need/want to be defended.
AMEN. Andre doesn't defend anyone, just offends :)
Well ok he thinks "a guy called Tyketto" is correct in saying the kernel has been translated to ADA.
But people need to have free speech, y'know I believe LKML doesn't want that,
otherwise my other address wouldnt have been blocked ;-)And anyway as I've already said, lifes a bitch. (thats right a female dog)
Quoted 1 line
RMS using a PRINTER hits LM with a pounding blown to the rear.
Not until he's made the high tech ink squirter work in Hurd :)
P.S
Q. If I calmly, rationally, and clearly state things which are not true, are self serving, and are not relevant to a forum, what should I expect in response?A. Andre's praise.
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Cheers, Dean.Now selling rights to MY GPL'd V.90/92/34 stack for £9,999.99 :)
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Check out the new EudoraMail at
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Andre...
Who wrote that? It's clear and I can understand it!
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jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andre Hedrick" <[email protected]>
To: "Dean McEwan" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "Richard Stallman" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] RMS and reactions to him (YAWN)
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Dean,
Have you ever pondered the question why some of the new code in 2.5 is coming up with a dual-license of OSL/GPL ? Is it because OSL has some meaningful terms understood by the courts? Is it because the folks at OSI understand a bigger picture?
See I found it worthy enough to go and investigate.
What I found, I like.
So if the question was put before everyone to examine the OSL, is this a better and stronger license to protect the ideas of "free software" ?
If the conclusions resulted a large positive movement towards OSL and away from GPL, what do you expect the reponse from RMS would be to the following:
Richard, is there a way to make OSL and GPL compatable ? Richard, will you allow OSL and GPL to coexist ? Richard, can OSL superceed GPL ?
Richard, can you agree there may be a better license than GPL ? Richard, if people want to develop under OSL, what are the results of the combined work?
Richard, if GPL can be improved by the adoption of OSL ideas, what benefits are there to you idea to holding onto the past?My concern is that vision and ideas started by RMS, are being clouded. OSL could have some more bit added to it, requiring the return of the changes to the original author, or the offending party is required to pay an alteration royality fee.
I do not know the what the best answer is today.
However, I am willing to put my money down (if I ever make any now) to draft a licenses that empowers the community with a real legal strong hold to protect its interest of Open Source, and keeping it open.
I like may other developers have/know/seen their work altered and not returned, yet without having a license with some teeth based in law already tried in courts, the personal risk is to great to pursue.
If I am a bad person for wanting to empower the community with stonger license than GPL, IMHO is superior to GPL, then I will gladdy be a bad person.
What we all hear is one person promoting one agenda with one idea, and the idea has clouded the vision. If another idea can carry the original vision further and closer to achieving that of the visionary, why stop half way down the road ?
Regards,
Andre Hedrick
LAD Storage Consulting GroupI have had enough of the mud slinging.
Oh, I think your address should be restored, regardless.
Did you know you can remove GPL from your work, but you can not take back what is out there now?
Quoted 4 lines · Andre Hedrick
Have you ever pondered the question why some of the new code in 2.5 is coming up with a dual-license of OSL/GPL ? Is it because OSL has some meaningful terms understood by the courts? Is it because the folks at OSI understand a bigger picture?
For the people who haven't found it yet, the OSL can be found here:
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/osl.php
I like this license a lot; to my untrained eye it seems to give much more protection than the GPL.
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Richard, is there a way to make OSL and GPL compatable ? Richard, will you allow OSL and GPL to coexist ? Richard, can OSL superceed GPL ?
Richard, can you agree there may be a better license than GPL ? Richard, if people want to develop under OSL, what are the results
of the combined work?
Richard, if GPL can be improved by the adoption of OSL ideas,
what benefits are there to you idea to holding onto the past?
Interesting questions, I hope Richard will answer them.
regards,
Rik
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